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I've posted my last song on Mudcat

Bernard 16 Apr 01 - 06:50 PM
mousethief 16 Apr 01 - 12:17 PM
Luke 16 Apr 01 - 07:34 AM
katlaughing 15 Apr 01 - 11:30 PM
Burke 15 Apr 01 - 10:47 PM
Bernard 15 Apr 01 - 05:08 AM
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McGrath of Harlow 14 Apr 01 - 07:05 PM
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mousethief 14 Apr 01 - 12:45 PM
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Luke 14 Apr 01 - 12:37 PM
Joe Offer 14 Apr 01 - 12:11 PM
Amos 14 Apr 01 - 11:11 AM
Mrs.Duck 14 Apr 01 - 10:56 AM
Tweedie 14 Apr 01 - 10:17 AM
GUEST,Ned Ludd 14 Apr 01 - 09:22 AM
Jon Freeman 14 Apr 01 - 08:34 AM
Joe Offer 13 Apr 01 - 10:08 PM
Joe Offer 13 Apr 01 - 09:41 PM
Malcolm Douglas 13 Apr 01 - 09:30 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 01 - 05:54 PM
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Big Mick 13 Apr 01 - 12:32 AM
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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:50 PM

Kat - no, but I've been frequently MicroShafted!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 12:17 PM

"Fuck" we are told came from the Danish. Or was it the dutch? Both are ironic because they hardly can replace heir population at current birth rates. :-)

Alex


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Luke
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 07:34 AM

Joe,

Thank you for untangling my song about Norway. I thought if I wrote in word 2001 then pasted it that it would just come out right. I was wrong. I will be trying to figure out html when I have a spare moment. I have none right now. Til then, thanks again.

Luke


Hi, Luke - If you type a document in Word and save it as HTML, you can do a "view source" on the HTML and come up with something that has all the HTML tags visible. When you paste it into a Mudcat reply box, the tags have to be visible (the tags are those things inside the angle brackets). You'll see that word adds lots of HTML that you don't need - all you need are the <br> line breaks. Therefore, you're better off using the "replace" function in the "edit" menu in Word. You'll se a button marked "more" and then "special" - search for paragraph marks and replace with a paragraph mark AND <br> - choose "replace all," and you'll have all the line breaks in an instant.
If that's too difficult to understand, you can type one line break, and then highlight and copy [CTRL-C] it; and then paste [CTRL-V] it wherever you like. "Replace all" is a slick trick that you'll find you use again and again, but the copy-paste technique ain't bad, either.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 11:30 PM

Bernard, have you been "Farscaped?" **BG**


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Burke
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 10:47 PM

Mrs. Duck, you got a few answers, but not all. I think MT is CH's reference to mousethief. HTML=Hyper-Text Markup Language. It began as a subset of SGML (standard generalized markup language), that's been around since at least the late 80's. Since it's all coded using plain ASCII text, all of our computers (Widoz, Apple, Unix) can read it if we have a program like Netscape, Internet Explorer or Opera that can read it. It's better than unmarked plain text because we get hyperlinks and content formatting like headings, bold or italics, that make reading easier.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 05:08 AM

Farscape?! Thought that was an Internet browser... ;o)


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 12:10 AM

I like "feck", but I really love "frell" which is used in place of "fuck" on one of the best scifi series on television, FARSCAPE!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:05 PM

I don't think the BBC would have given a feck what kind of vowel they had in the word in Father Ted. "Feck" was funnier though, for some odd reason. The e gives it more body, more explosive power. With a "u" it sounds more like a grunt.

I suspect the Gaelic is actually cognate with the Latin facio/fecit, and has nothing to do with English expletives in origin.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:00 PM

Feck I mean click here!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:52 PM

feck (f‚k) n. Scot. obsolete.a. worth; value.
b. amount; quantity.
c. the greater part; the majority.
[C15 (Scottish dialect) fek, short for EFFECT]
(Source - Collins English Dictionary)

This is where 'feckless' comes from, but isn't the Irish use of the word.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:43 PM

"Feck is phonetic transliteration of a lower-class rendering of a time-honored Anglo-Saxon perjorative"

'Fraid not! It's Irish Gaelic, which coincidentally sounds similar to the 'other' word, which isn't Anglo-Saxon in origin, either!!

'Feck' is a fairly innocuous expression, which is why it was allowed on the pre-watershed 'Father Ted' on British TV.

Can any Irishmen out there back me up?!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Mark Clark
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:21 PM

I too think the technical trade-offs Max has made are just about perfect. The added flexibility of HTML input gives us the power to express our postings in lots of different forms, a feature we need given the variety material and modes of expression we have here.

Any suggestions I had were posted in the threads provided for the purpose. It's not as though Max hasn't asked us for ideas, he has. Max has done a great job and works hard to do even better. Let's get off his back and be grateful for all he has done.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Peg
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:45 PM

Max and Joe and Bert and the clones cannot be thanked enough for what they do for us, free of charge...

they deserve our support and gratitude, not our picayunish complaints.

I work with a large non-profit website, the founders of which do most of the work, gratis. Tirelessly, professionally, beautifully. Nothing tees them off more than people who have nothing to offer but gripes.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:45 PM

You go, Joe!

Alex


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:38 PM

amen, Joe...It seems to me it's like someone wanting an 18wheeler truck for hauling LOTS of stuff...and then demanding an automatic transmission in it! Folks, those things require you learn to shift gears! Small price.

'Maybe' there's a way to have the best of both worlds, and if there is, Max and his crew are likely to find it, but they have a business to run, and do this in their spare time. Let 'em mess with it, you might be surprised what comes out.


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Subject: Lyr Add: MARTIN
From: Luke
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:37 PM

Martin

Will you go to Oslo, Martin?
Will you go to old Norway?
Will you meet your true love, Martin,
Standing on the Quay?
Will you kiss her? Will you hold her?
Retell the love you've often told her?
They say love is warmer, winter colder,
There in Old Norway.

And will you bring your truelove homeward, Martin,
Back from old Norway,
To the northern California coastline
Cities by the bay?
Will you woo her? Will you try her?
Or will you lasso and hogtie her?
Or maybe money's what would buy her
Back from old Norway.

Now I see you're staying, Martin,
There in old Norway.
Lots of changes for you, Martin,
Things to learn to say.
It takes a strong heart to endeavor
Ties to family hard to sever,
But you're the one both kind and clever
There in old Norway.

Yes I've met Camilla, Martin,
The girl from old Norway.
I must admit, dear nephew Martin,
She's so tres enchantée.
Stepped as lightly as a feather.
You just looked proud and right together.
An ocean couldn't break the tether
Now you're in old Norway.


Though we'll miss you, our dear Martin,
There in old Norway,
If your heart's already there, dear Martin,
What can a loved one say?
We'll buy a brand new box of tissue,
Wait for letters that you issue.
In our hearts we hug and kiss you
There in old Norway.

Line Breaks <br> added. It took me about 30 seconds, and I had to type <br> only once to add 48 line breaks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:11 PM

As I said before, Max knows how to do automatic line breaks, and he has been working with that in the experimental version of Mudcat. I used the automatic line breaks for about three months, until the experimental Mudcat crashed. Jeri and Jon used it for about a month. The automatic line breaks cause some restrictions that limit the flexibility of what we can do here. They make it very difficult to do the fancy stuff we've been able to do in the FAQ and other PermaThreads. Once you're used to doing your own HTML, you get very frustrated with HTML editors and message board functions that put HTML where you might not want it. We are working on resolving those problems.
Max chose flexibility over convenience, and that's why you have to type the line breaks. I now realize that is is a great burden upon some of you to type <br> at the end of every line in lyrics, and that this has caused great stress and heartache for some. Get over it.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 11:11 AM

Feck is phonetic transliteration of a lower-class rendering of a time-honored Anglo-Saxon perjorative, Ms Duck. "sed" is a software utility found in most versions of the UNIX operating system for managing large numbers of lines of text or other characters in files. A FAQ is a list of "Frequently Asked Questions" and their answers. A BB is a "Bulletin Board", an early form of discussion group structure in which people come on-line using computers and post messages and comments, etc. "UBB" stands for Ultimate Bulletin Board. Not sure on that one. What it is is a popular architecture for making bulletin board sites, including its own set of markup tags called UBB Code.UBBCode™ is a variation on the HTML tags you may already be familiar with. Basically, it allows you to add functionality or style to your message that would normally require HTML.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 10:56 AM

What ever happened to words? I am starting to understand HTML (no idea what it means but I will happily use it) but what is MT UBB SED SOD etc and what sort of word is feck!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Tweedie
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 10:17 AM

In UNIX you would use
sed -e "s/$/<BR>/" source >output
to append a html break to each line. (Where source is your plain ascii sourcefile and output is the outputfile ready for going to Mudcat.
You can get UNIX tools like SED for PCs. It's the only thing that makes the Windows OS tolerable.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Ned Ludd
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 09:22 AM

Keep it up, folks! Amazing, how humans commandeer technology to attack one another! (or maybe not) Even the ones who claim piety...I'm going back to the woods... Ned


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 08:34 AM

I've just had a look at these UBB's that Clinton rates so highly. In fairness, they do seem to be well thought out and have some nice features but there seem to be a few drawbacks with them.

Firstly, for a thread, the appear to kick out a lot more HTML than Mudcat does.

Secondly, they are a collection of perl/cgi scripts and I'm not sure about how they go about file/database handling but I can't see it being anywhere near as powerful and flexible as Max's solution which uses a relational database and ColdFusion. I don't know if my observations are related to this but they may be. In the 3 sites I visited, a number of the threads are archived and appear to be made read only and the search facilites are rather more limited.

A futher point is that Max can add more features to this system rather than being tied to someone elses design.

My conclusion is that even if we do have the odd niggle here, Max is to be congratulated on designing an excellent system which appears to offer significant advantages over a system produced by a company who's speciality is message boards. A little bit of HTML seems an even smaller price to pay!

Jon


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Subject: Posting Songs at Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 10:08 PM

Well, maybe I should rant a little more. When you post lyrics in the forum, you are submitting them for consideration for inclusion in the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database, which has international renown as a resource for folk music information. Since that's the case, I think people should make reasonable efforts to ensure accuracy, completeness, correct spelling and format, and songwriter attribution and copyright information. There is a section in the FAQ that describes the Digital Tradition Format, and that's the format people should follow when they are posting songs.

People have wondered why I say it takes us a half an hour to "harvest" a song that's been posted. It would go a lot quicker if people would remember to search first to see if the song has already been posted and or it it's in the Digital Tradition; and if they'd submit songs in proper format. It also helps if you give background information, and tell us how the song is related to other songs we may already have.

Yeah, we'd like to see people use a little care and scholarship when they post songs. It would take a lot of guesswork out of the job of harvesting.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 09:41 PM

I worked pretty hard to type up instructions on how to use search-and-replace to put line breatks in lyrics. It's in the FAQ - under the message titled Posting Lyrics (click). If you have a word processor, it's a trick you should learn, and it really isn't very hard. It's something you can use in a lot of situations, not just at Mudcat. If you had spent your time learning how to do it instead of typing your gripes in this thread, you'd know how to do it by now.

But yeah, Max is well aware that people would prefer to have automatic line breaks. He had it working pretty well in the experimental version of Mudcat, and I used it for about three months - and then it crashed. It isn't hard to do - you just click a box on ColdFusion (the basic program that runs Mudcat), and then ColdFusion automatically inserts line breaks. Unfortunately, it creates some problems that cause us headaches. We could have the line breaks, but then we'd have problems with some clickable links and other things. If we didn't allow HTML in forum messages, it would be very easy to have the automatic line breaks - but most people like the HTML once they learn a little bit of it.

But rest assured that the improvement is in the works, and should be perfected any time now. I 've been monitoring all the suggestion threads and I gave Max a long list of things people wanted - he was able to implement almost every one of them in the experimental Mudcat, but there have some bugs.

You piss me off, Clinton. Max works hard, and he works without pay. The least you could do to show a little gratitude is type a few line breaks.

I will admit that adding line breaks by search-and-replace is difficult or impossible for people who use WEBTV. For people who use a computer, it's very simple. If you have a word processor, you ought to learn how to do search-and-replace. It's a simple, essential skill in word processing.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 09:30 PM

Clinton is still posting, though his most recent contribution was already in the DT, and a Joe Clone had to format it for him.

need words Reynard/Tally Ho Hounds Away


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:54 PM

occasional 'roid flare-ups

Would that be steroid or android?


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:52 PM

I still use a Text Browser, Lynx.

It does a wonderful job. The only problem is when it gets so extended a message set, that I have to go to something else to reply with.

I say, let Clinton be. If he won't post, that is our loss. We are not going to convince him by asking him to help convert the internet to his standard, whatever that is, Mac/Windows/etc. just so we can have his posts again.

I will be sorry to miss his abilities, and hope that he will still contribute in other ways.

The world of the internet proceeds at its own pace, and none of us can change it without a lot of learning on our part.

Thanks Clinton for all the past contributions, and hope to hear from you again in the future. Looking forward to it in fact.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: RichM
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:47 PM

I'm grateful that Mudcat exists.
If I have to type bracket-br-bracket once, and cut'n'paste it to the end of each line, small price to pay.

Thanks, Max, and all, for Mudcat!

Rich


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:24 PM

Peg, the timestamp indicates you posted the following at 10:56 today:

"...Remember to love the people still in your life. Remember every human needs compassion: even that kid serving your cappucino, even that grouchy bus driver, even the dirty homeless woman muttering to herself under the awning.

Live large, with love and lust, smell the roses, be good to yourself and others..."

You've received alot of admirative support for that thought.

Yet 12 minutes later you post the above to Clint.

My goodness, he must be your red flag! Can't we think of Clint as a dirty homeless women?

Peace be with you and your Thought for the Day

Ed


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Robo
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 01:22 PM

"Aw . . . the humanity!"

Nuff said, again, I hope.

Rob-o


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Eric Berne
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 11:11 AM

Yet another NIGYSOB player!


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Peg
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 11:06 AM

Your complaint seems to be that it is too time-consuming and too much effort to type in line breaks, etc.

Yet you apparently have LOTS of time to complain, bitch, moan, oh, and make all sorts of offensive comments in other threads that have NOTHING to do with music.

You are acting like an ungrateful, boorish jerk.

Why not go start up your own website? That'll show everybody, won't it?


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 10:39 AM

LOL!!!

Too funny Bmick...

;-)


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 12:32 AM

It's friggin' date, Clinton. Sometime in the near future I will be in the area visiting in-laws and I am going to jump in the car and head to see you. Guinness is on me. And ass barking is Spaw's specialty. Seen him re-create the Aurora Borealis in the men's room of a restaraunt in Cincinatti once. Scared the hell out of the cleaning lady.

Mick


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 03:56 PM

Sure thing Mick... but I don't do the Tunnel BBQ... You'll find me in one of the back snugs at the Kildare House... corner of Kildare and Wyandotte... the best pub in town...

See ya and spaw there someday eh!

But ahhh... no ass-barking o.k.? Encourages halatosis...

LOL!!

;-)

Sorcha??

"What I hate about UBB--alternating colors, "

What alternating colours? i'm not sure I know what you mean...

"no trace function, thread originator can delete and entire thread with one click, "

What's wrong with that? It's perfect... You've never had a thread that you wish the original posteer would delete? :-)

"(although the "poster only Edit" button is nice, then we could fix our own spelling,etc. errors but no body elses)"

UBB moderators can edit anyones posts... and yes.. between teh new spell checker and the Edit Post, spelling errors and multi-posts would be a thing of the past...

"and, most important, Max's choices would be limited by using UBB."

How so? Limited by what or to what? Near as I can tell you can do just about anything with UBB that any MB need or wants...

:-)


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Mark Clark
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 10:17 AM

On the subject of helpful editors to ease the job of preparing HTML for posting here, Pene Azul has recommended an HTML editor called Arachnophilia. The program is free from a financial point of view but in using it you agree to the author's CareWare Idea that obligates the licensee as follows:

"So here is my deal: stop whining for an hour, a day, a week, your choice, and you will have earned your copy of Arachnophilia. Say encouraging words to young people, make them feel welcome on the planet Earth (many do not). Show by example that we don't need all we have in order to be happy and productive."

Interesting concept eh?

CH, I sure liked Spaw's comments about the value of having you around here. Put me down for what he said as well.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Sir Thomas More
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 09:02 AM

Oh..er...ah...excuse me. I'm bolloxed. I've come to the wrong place! Ever so sorry! Sir Thomas


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:21 AM

Well, I hate drivers who change lanes all the time. And the way I can never find my drill when I need it. And the way my boss always asks if I have a minute just before I am due to go home. And, and, and.... AAArrrggghhh!

So thats it! Feck off the lot of you. I'm annoyed at something so everyone has to know. This is the last time I'll ever drive, or do a job at home, or go to work. Or ever do anything. And no-one tell me I'm wrong because I am better than and have less time than every other pleb on this site. I work for a living you know and don't have time for all this. And I am going to take my ball home if you don't play nice...;-)

Cheers

Dave the spoilt brat.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:31 PM

Well.........I've watched this whole thing unfold and basically Clinton has these occasional 'roid flare-ups that make him crank out some smartass shit........a syndrome I'm familiar with myself. I keep thinking that for every one of these, there are a hundred where he can be a supportive smart-ass and a hundred more where he's a pretty fair guy. Once again, I recognize the syndrome myself. In this case we disagree. Who cares..........

Max is working on some things I know and I hope they work out, but until they do, I don't mind the HTML stuff. Like a lot of others, this place has taught me things I would never have thought of trying and I like the fact that I can do it. Bert's right, everything is often a tradeoff and I want to know what I give up for auto line breaks.

So Clinton, bark up my ass and I'll bark up yours, but like Mick, I look forward to having a few with you sometime so we can yell at each other and roll on the floor laughing.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:13 PM

Tá, a cara Philippa, is maith an t-anlann a t-ocras. If one wants to learn it enough, they will figure out how and it will become easier. Couple up the knowledge of the system with a little knowledge of shortcuts and it is not hard at all. In fact it makes the use of html an asset.

I have been thinking about this thread a lot as I have been about the business of union organizing today. While I don't appreciate derogatory comments about the Mudcat or Max and his helpers, I think I understand Clinton's aim a little better. He and I don't agree on some basic issues, but as I reread this thread I think what he is after is the betterment of our community. I don't like his methodology, and I have a very hard time with smartass comments directed at people who do this at great personal expense to themselves. But I do believe that the intent was to make it a better tool. I know that his contributions here have contributed to all of our understanding of the music to which we have dedicated ourselves. One day soon, I hope I can make my way through the Windsor tunnel and meet him at the Bar-b-que and talk about this shit. I think I will meet a person that I like. And I hope we can work out our differences. But in the meantime let's let up a bit. Clinton, sorry for that part of my comments that came off smartassed. And I hope you can see that it isn't your desire for a more efficient way to post that has some of us riled up.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Burke
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:07 PM

A little confused here. CH said If I could copy and paste the way the rest of the net works, Hell... I'd be tempted to post the 200-300 songs I have on this beast... Just to add 'em to the Database...; but when an offer was made to help with same was made ...

Oh I get it, hyperbole.

When you hit enter twice, you do get the paragraphs. It's been that way as long as I've been here. You need the br line endings so your verses aren't double spaced.

Have you ever copied text from a web page to some text editor & gone nuts getting rid of all the line breaks & leading spaces? Or ended up with all those long line, short line email messages because of quotes? I don't post a lot of lyrics here, but I've lost track of how much time I spend in personal word processing on messing with that stuff that copies just as it was on the page. I know how to save a text, but if there's just a little text, it's a real pain.

I guess my point is a bit like Bert's. There are tradeoffs. Knowing how Mudcat works, I don't have to bother getting rid of some big spaces from copy&paste that I can see as I post in that quote above because I know they will close up. I do have to put other formatting stuff in.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 06:50 PM

Mine too! What I hate about UBB--alternating colors, no trace function, thread originator can delete and entire thread with one click, (although the "poster only Edit" button is nice, then we could fix our own spelling,etc. errors but no body elses), and, most important, Max's choices would be limited by using UBB.

Learning basic HTML certainly did not hurt me any, and typing four more chars after pasting lyrics is just not that big a problem for me. Very seldom have I had to type in all the lyrics. Once in a while, yes, but not often. JoeClones are always willing to fix minor typos, so I don't worry about it too much.

Hey, in 1998, I could play Solitaire on a computer but that was all......I was totally computer/Internet illiterate, and I have come a long way, baby, most of it thanks to Mudcat and the TechieHelpers here.

Thanks again, all you guys!! (dragged kicking and screaming into the computer age, and now I love it!)


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 06:45 PM

yup...send ticket..I have good friends near Seattle I'd like to visit. *grin*

(that's my 'parlor trick'...programming a strange VCR without looking at the instructions)


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 06:37 PM

Oooooh, Bill, can you come over and program my VCR?

Alex


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 06:36 PM

piffle!...I am an old coot who never heard of HTML and used computers till 5 years ago, and I can post a song or put chord notation in!...takes very little practice and only a few bits of HTML to deal with it all.

You can't expect to be spoon-fed everything, Clinton...if you don't want to do the 'basics', I suppose we'll just have to survive on the 8000+ songs we already have......

sorry, just my opinion.....(I can drive a stick shift car too, and program a VCR)

(and re:SD, I have fixed it. To do what you tried, you need to type <br> JoeClone.

all you need to *display* HTML instead of executing it is THIS LITTLE PROGRAM


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 06:05 PM

All the HTML I've learnt has been because I need it for Mudcat. And I see that as a very useful bonus for coming here.

As has been pointed out, it's not at all hard to fiddle around with programs like Word, and get whatever you want to post into whatever shape you want to post it, and just copy it across.

The beauty of the Mudcat is its simplicity and flexibility where it matters, far better than any other place I've come across, even the ones with more bells and whistles. Sticking in an improvement here and a modification here would put that at risk. I'd far sooner put up with having to work a tiny bit harder posting things sometimes, and learning useful stuff in the process of getting round the limitations and restrictions. (For example finding a program which has enabled me to spellcheck my posts.)

I'm increasing coming to agree with the view that any change that isn't necessary should be resisted. Long live King Lud.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Bert
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 05:34 PM

Here's a personal opinion from Bert - NOT OFFICIAL

Those of you who have read the "who are you?" threads will know that I am a designer at heart. I've designed many things from Nuclear heat exchangers to sewage treatment plants and also quite a bit of software.

One of the hardest things about being a designer is learning that you have to accept compromises.

Take something we all know about, a car for instance. A designer COULD make a car that goes 300 miles an hour but he would have to accept that such a car would not behave too well in city traffic and would probably cost more than most buyers would be willing to pay.

That same goes with software. One has to balance things such as... the programming tools available, simplicity of use, functionality, screen real estate, economic feasability, performance, reliability, maintenance, support, etc.

Now I've compared this forum with some others out there and think that Max has done a very good job and has produced a valuable tool that is not TOO difficult for most users to understand.

Now if you think that you can improve on any of the compromises that he has had to make then I'm sure a polite email to him volunteering your services to make the necessary changes would be most welcome.

Bert. I will repeat THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 05:24 PM

Well, I have moaned and groaned a bit about having to use long codes for diacritical marks. Even then I was mostly upset that these characters (for instance accented letters) often appeared okay when first posted and then mutated whenever Mudcat went through technical overhauls. There are various ways to create these characters but only one set of codes that seems to work on all html systems.

I have to say that enabling line breaks would make life easier, especially for new contributors. But I think it's fine to need html codes for different font sizes, colours, formats (bold, italic), clickable links.

My overall reaction to needing the use of these codes at Mudcat is that it was a great learning experience for me. Lots of people gave advice and I have felt a certain amount of pride in being able to manipulate text by using codes. BIG Mick - isn't that how you feel when you write about Alison in multicolour glory? That such a marvellous woman deserves the effort you take to do this code (at least once; you probably saved the model to copy and paste again and again)?


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 05:15 PM

Clinton, you're on target in one respect: A thread with a title like "I've posted my last song to Mudcat!" gets a hell of a lot more attention than "Max...please simplify song formatting!" And certainly comments like "Mudcat Sucks!" get more attention than "Mudcat is a great site that is seriously flawed in the following ways..."

Now, I think ,CH, that you come to the forum for much more than the acquisition and distribution of songs. I've seen your posts on any number of topics from tech to bullcrap, so I also think you are being a bit devious about your reasons for being here. You impress me as someone who gets the occasional charge out of being an a$$hole, and that's not meant as an insult because I have some of the same inclinations.

I do agree that making it easier to cut and paste songs in original format to this forum would make things easier for all of us. You've got everyone's attention. Now relax.


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Subject: RE: I've posted my last song on Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 05:04 PM

Couldn't we do, for instance, Sorcha, the Mudcat on a UBB board with only one slot? Seems to me we could... For those of you who are unfamilliar with UBB coded MB's, go to

http://www.armourarchive.org/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=7&SUBMIT=Go

For a good example of a UBB MB... it's armour related, but it's their Off Topic board...

Post a test post and see all the features you can have... preformatted text, spellchecker, preview posts, auto URL's, auto image links... I kinda like UBB myself...

What is it about the layout of UBB you don't like Sorcha.. I'm very curious to hear..

;-)


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