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Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: JedMarum Date: 11 Apr 01 - 11:33 PM Yes Bush and his admin has done well, so far. I am concerned about how much security info is lost, and the status of the aircraft and its equip. No apology was given, nor would one have been appropriate. |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:53 PM Gee, and the "Nationalist" Chinese press on Taiwan would have no reason to lie, right? Please. And Ol' Mr. Walton as a Chinese Communist sympathizer & 'fellow traveller'? Whooo, boy. Grip on reality here is tenuous at best. This never was a "chrisis". "Our Boys (and "Girls") were never in any real danger, and I'm tired of the whining when military personnel are called on do do what can always turn out be part of their duty; these incidents are commonplace enough, and there is a scripted diplomatic game that is ALWAYS played. This is the usual tempest in a pisspot stirred up by the media at the behest of the "Old China Hands" that still can't come to terms with the fact that we "Lost" China- like it was "ours" to lose in the first place.{can you spell "Hubris"?} Best, Greg |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:40 PM Soooo, Sorcha: Just whose propaganda have we been copiously sucking up here, Komrade? Dan Ratherski, Brian GumBall, Opra.... "When you're wrong, you're wrong. US was seemingly at fault." That's pretty much the Party line all right; the Chairman is no doubt proud of you. Have you ever seen one of those P-3 ORION recconisance planes (NOT a "Spy" plane when it is operating in international airspace, by the way)? We have a Naval base nearby in Brunswick, Maine and the old turboprop birds can be frequently seen lumbering sedately along. To claim that a US pilot could even intentionally "swerve" into a fighter fet faster than even a Pilot-Trainee in an obsolete interceptor could take evasive action is as absurd as the proposition that said EP-3 Pilot would be INSANE enough to even attempt to ram another aircraft in flight! One of the Taiwan Newspapers claimed shortly after the incedent that they monitor radio transmissions between US bases and aircraft, and that after the accident the damaged EP-3 attempted to return to it's base (they can fly one of those things on one engine, and they had at least two apparantly still running). They were instructed by the surviving Chicom F-8 to proceed instead to Hianan Island, and a burst of machine-gun rounds sufficed to convince the US Captain that he meant business. They essentially "invaded Chinese airspace" at gunpoint as PRISONERS OF WAR! This report was of course quickly squelched, but I think after the hostages are safely on US soil the truth will come out. Do you ever READ anything other than what your handlers spoon feed you, or do you just watch TV? Just wondering. You might be interested to know that much more credit for the ChiCom capitulation (they settled for much less than they originally demanded) than the Politicians, Diplomats, or Military is being given to a quickly spreading general BOYCOTT of Chinese goods by American Consumers fed up with China's arrogance and aggression in holding our US Servicepeople hostage. It seems that Wally-Mart and other high rollers in the international economics game started taking it in the shorts and called off thier Komrades behind the Great Wall before it really got out of hand. I'm proud to have been not only a participant in this imprompteau"Citizen's Initiative", but one of the local instigators as well. You're welcome! For God and Country: "Uncle Jaque" |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Sorcha Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:35 PM Too late, and too little, because at this point, he had not choice......what else could he/they do? Allow them to be executed? I don't think so. |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Bert Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:29 PM OK, he gets credit for doing 'something'. Whether it was well done, or the right thing or whether the timing was right or should the spy plane have been there in the first place, or whether they should have had some means of destroying it on the ground or, or, or. He did something. |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Sorcha Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:15 PM Amergin, in a sense, that is exactly what I meant. The man is only a mouthpiece, and does only what his Advisors consensus tells him to do.
Do you suppose he can even read a TelePrompter? I guess, what I meant was, why did his Honorable Advisors not tell him days ago to just apologize, get it over with, bite the bullet, and get our boys home? To hell with the damn plane!
What's an Apology? Sincere or otherwise, it's just words. Governments use words to suit themselves all the time, as in the words that China says are an apology and Bush says are not.......but our boys are coming home, finally. Days after they should have because of the obtuseness/stupidity of the US Gov..... If you really want a lesson in obtuseness, read some of Elizbeth I speeches and commentaries. She was a Master of the Art........(that is Liz Tudor, not Liz Windsor). I call her Master because her contemporaries called her the She King.......... |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:57 PM OK, I'll give him and his administration credit- for being consistent. Tonight's paper: The Bush administration is asking Congress to remove from the Endangered Species Act a provision that allows environmental groups and others to sue the Interior Department to get rare plants and animals listed as endangered. The budget provision would still permit citizen lawsuits but effectively render them meaningless by placing severe limits on what the agency can do or spend to comply with them, according to Interior spokesman, Mark Pfeifle. ...The Interior Secretary would decide what gets spent on lawsuits and have power over the listing of species. "This leaves the discretion with ...a Secretary of the Interior who, I point out, through a long career has taken every opportunity to debunk the Endangered Species Act (and) speak against it and at one point even suggest that it was unconstitutional." (Defenders of Wildlife President Rodger)Schlickeisen said...
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Paul G. Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:42 PM I have a theory...the whole thing was a deception intended to distract us while most of the money for environmental protection activities was stripped out of the budget. Watch out for the next major international crisis...the day before it's miraculously resolved the drilling will start in Alaska... Paul (in Florida imagining the Everglades drained and paved) |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Amergin Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:35 PM It's not that, Scorch. The reason was that no one put an apology in front of him to read.....he is just plain lost with out the proper guidance he requires... |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: jets Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:20 PM O Boy here we go again. |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Sorcha Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:15 PM For what? Putting off an apology as long as he could? When he didn't seem to understand why it was necessary? When you're wrong, you're wrong. US was seemingly at fault. What could it possibly have hurt to "apologize" days ago? Would have gotten out boys home a hell of a lot sooner if he was big enough to do what needed to be done...... |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: jets Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:08 PM Bush deserves credit for keeping low key and letting those in the know do the talking. |
Subject: RE: BS: Bush--A little credit please? From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 01 - 08:45 PM Never happen Big Red. But a nice thought anyway. All the Monday morning quarterbacks are squating in the wings, waiting for the chance to tell us all how it SHOULD have been done or why it was unnecessary or why we should never have been there in the first place. troll |
Subject: Bush--A little credit please? From: Big Red Date: 11 Apr 01 - 08:38 PM Hours have passed since the news. Can any of the Bush haters bend enough to give at least a passing credit for a job well done by Bush and the Administration in getting our soldiers home without a crisis? |