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Lyr Req: Cats! (poem by Mab Davis)

Fergie 17 Apr 01 - 08:38 PM
Gypsy 17 Apr 01 - 09:03 PM
Amos 17 Apr 01 - 09:40 PM
toadfrog 17 Apr 01 - 09:44 PM
Sorcha 17 Apr 01 - 11:27 PM
Sorcha 17 Apr 01 - 11:32 PM
Joe Offer 17 Apr 01 - 11:38 PM
Margaret V 18 Apr 01 - 08:05 AM
Fergie 18 Apr 01 - 02:21 PM
Gypsy 18 Apr 01 - 04:06 PM
Burke 18 Apr 01 - 05:23 PM
Morticia 18 Apr 01 - 06:38 PM
Mrrzy 19 Apr 01 - 11:54 AM
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GUEST,_gargoyle 23 Apr 01 - 09:37 AM
Hollowfox 23 Apr 01 - 11:34 AM
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Subject: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Fergie
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 08:38 PM

My Granny is eighty in a few days and were going to have a party. When granny was a young girl she trained as an elocution teacher and she was thought some very "high- class" culture, she had to learn "recitations" she used to recite monologues at family gatherings and was most excellant, but alas as she has gotten older her memory has begun to fail a little and she forgets some of the passages from the recitations, including her favourite one. So I have decided that I will get copies of some of the monologues and print them out (in 36 point) so that she can read them out at her octobash, but the problem is that I cannot find her favourite one and so I want my Mudcatter friends to help me out. The name of the poem is not know but I can quote some passages, it starts so;

A mere man said to me one day,
What cats you women are,
He meant it as an insult,
but was it?
Not by far.

It then goes on to extole the virtue of cats and explains how these virtues would be desireable in a human being.

The recitation ends thus;

So please call me a purrfect cat,
Its an insult I can bear.

Please make me and my granny very happy


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Gypsy
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 09:03 PM

If only my father in law was still alive. Checking Google, but loads of stuff. Surely, someone of our educated members knows this? I wanna know it, too!


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Amos
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 09:40 PM

It's not on Google, i concur. That eliminates a billion pages or so!

A


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: toadfrog
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 09:44 PM

There is no "Google." Try Googol


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 11:27 PM

We're looking at 1920-1925 here?


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 11:32 PM

Does anybody's library have "Oxford Book of Recitations"? Might be in there........


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 01 - 11:38 PM

Fergie, any idea how it begins? A first line would help a lot, since many of my books have first-line indexes.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Margaret V
Date: 18 Apr 01 - 08:05 AM

Joe, it looks like the first line is "A mere man said to me one day, What cats you women are" if I understand Fergie's message correctly. Margaret


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Fergie
Date: 18 Apr 01 - 02:21 PM

Hello Joe, First line as Margaret says is "a mere man said to me one day what cats you women are"


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Gypsy
Date: 18 Apr 01 - 04:06 PM

C'mon Joe, you can do it! Enquiring minds wanna know!


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Burke
Date: 18 Apr 01 - 05:23 PM

I've found nothing. Here's what I've checked:
1940, 1953, & 1994 editions of Granger's Index to Poetry for the first line.
Quotations Database from Dialog@Carl for phrases from the first line & 'purrfect'
An index to last lines keyword index for purrfect.

Sorry, but an interesting look-up.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Morticia
Date: 18 Apr 01 - 06:38 PM

Checked the Oxford, and all of my more modern anthologies....bugger all.....sorry.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:54 AM

I will ask my old colleagues who left here to go do something with poetry.com. This is interesting!


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:06 PM

OK, it wasn't poetry.com, it was poetry daily (http://www.poems.com). There is a Feedback button where you can ask about this, but I can't get it to work right now.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Fergie
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 05:51 PM

22nd of April and still no words. Come on Mudcatters you cant let Granny down, her birthday bash is next Saturday


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Margaret V
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:29 PM

I've been trying hard, Fergie! Today I used my trump card to no avail... asked my friend Ray Bermingham who's originally from Cork and does wonderful recitations himself (lots of Robert Service), but he'd never heard of it at all. But he reminded me that he's still looking for the words to the song "The Innocent Prisoner," so I guess I'll pull up that old thread while we're at it... but I'll keep trying for you and Gran in the meantime. Margaret


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:37 AM

Ask granny were SHE got it from.

It appears to be a bit of doggeral verse, the sort of thing one might find in a local newspaper, clip-out, and then memorize. Perhaps the clipping is in-between the pages of a favorite book on her shelf.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Hollowfox
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:34 AM

I couldn't find it in the poetry indexes at the branch librarues where I work, so I sent it to my main branch's reference department to work on.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:47 AM

No answer yet from poetry.com...


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 08:15 PM

Asked my best source for that sort of thing...my wife's 91-year-old mother. No joy...sorry.


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Hollowfox
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 06:11 PM

It stumped my reference department as well. Good luck on finding it. Mary


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 06:19 PM

At least you can't say we didn't try...........


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 08:03 PM

Dang, this is frustrating...


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:17 PM

The meter and matter are clearly doggeral

Ask Granny....she has it somewhere


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: GUEST,Rana
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:55 PM

Longshot but would the style remind anyone of possible leads - Ogden Nash might come to mind, for example.

Rana


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Subject: RE: Can Mudcatters outdo themselves AGAIN
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:51 AM

Dear Fergie,

I used to own a copy of the following book, which contained a great variety of recitations, declamations and poetry for "young orators" and was quite popular from its publication through the early decades of the 20th century.

THE IDEAL ORATOR AND MANUAL OF ELOCUTION CONTAINING A PRACTICAL TREATISE ON THE DELSARTE SYSTEM OF PHYSICAL CULTURE AND EXPRESSION, INCLUDING VALUABLE INSTRUCTIONS AND RULES FOR THE CULTIVATION OF THE VOICE AND THE USE OF GESTURES. TOGETHER WITH CHOICE SELECTIONS FOR READINGS AND RECITATIONS NOW USED IN THE LEADING SCHOOLS OF ORATORY. Edited by John Wesley Hanson, Jr. and Lillian Woodward Gunckel. Chicago, Ill.: N. Juul & Co.,1895. 522 pp. Notes: Authors statement given as "Edited by" on title page. Illustrated by original engravings.

The book is in the Walker Collection of the Indiana State University Library; you might e-mail them at librbsc@isugw.indstate.edu and see if your Granny's poem is in it.

I gave away my copy as a gift some years ago; I'll see if I can track it down and ask its current owner to check for the piece, too.

Another long shot, to be sure, but you can't say we ain't giving it the old college (library) try!

Good luck!


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Subject: Lyr Add: CATS! (Mab Davis)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:51 AM

Too bad we didn't have Google Books when this poem was requested.

From Light and Humorous Verse edited by Lillian Ginnett (London: George Routledge & Sons, Ltd., 1935), page 40:

CATS!
Mab Davis

A mere man said to me one day
"What CATS you women are!"
He meant it for an insult. . . .
But, was it? . . . Not by far!
If I've the qualities of CAT,
I'm fit to be a queen. . . .
I hold myself with stately grace,
I'm dignified . . . and clean.

When people tell me I'm a cat,
It's in no wise detrimental,
For cats are always full of love,
And yet not sentimental.
Cats mind their own sweet business,
They have a purpose clear!
In things that don't concern them,
They seldom interfere.

Although they're not unsociable,
There is, I must confess,
A certain air of mystery
That keeps man "on the guess,"
They're devoted to their family,
And faithful to each friend,
They know exactly what they want,
And get it, in the end.

They're patient . . . they're persistent,
But their business is their own.
When ill, they don't want sympathy,
They'd rather be alone.
They have a passion for their home,
Close by the hearth they stay,
A night out now and then, maybe,
Youth must be served, they say.

And so, my friends, if I'm a CAT,
I must be rather nice!
Although I can't quite see myself,
Chasing after MICE!
A new fur coat each year I'd have . . .
And eight more lives to spare!
So tell me I'm a CAT!
It's an insult I can bear.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cats! (poem by Mab Davis)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 12:25 PM

I happened to be looking for this verse myself today as my wife was a teacher in England and had read this to her pupils. I can't tell you how impressed I am with the diligence that went in to finding this for Granny. Your Mudcatters are amazing.

Dan
dunnydeer101@msn.com


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