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Music Notation - Percy French Songbook

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ABDUL ABULBUL AMIR
ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!
ABDUL-A-BUL-BUL-AMIR (A SEQUEL)
ARE YE RIGHT THERE, MICHAEL?
BENDEMEER'S STREAM
CARRIGDHOUN
COME BACK PADDY REILLY
DONEGAN'S DAUGHTER
MOUNTAINS OF MOURNE
PHIL THE FLUTHER'S BALL
PRETENDY LAND
PRIDE OF PETROVAR
SLATTERY'S LIGHT DRAGOONS


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Tiger 21 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM
Malcolm Douglas 21 Apr 01 - 02:16 PM
Tiger 21 Apr 01 - 03:28 PM
GUEST,John Andrews 15 May 10 - 05:43 PM
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Subject: Music Notation - Percy French Songbook
From: Tiger
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM

I've just acquired a couple of old Percy French songbooks, published in London, I'm guessing to be 40+ years old, can't tell (not dated, but the original price was 5/-). Several songs are copyright 1957, so that's probably the year.

My question concerns the odd notation above the vocal staff. There's a vertical bar at each measure, that part's easy, and a squiggly line at the beginning and end of each line, I'm not too concerned with those either.

What's really strange is the marks above each note - could they be chords? This one is in the key of G.

    :s1  |s1   :m  :m   |m    :r    :r |r  :-.d    :d  |d   :-
Oh! Ma - ry! this Lon - don's a won - der - ful sight,

:t1 .l1 |l1 :s1 :s1 |s1 :l1 :t1 |r :d :-.d |d :-
Wid the peo - ple here work - in' by day and by night;

Those 1's aren't really that - they're small vertical bars. Even though the notation may not work out quite right, I'm sure someone will recognize it and tell me what's going on.

Thanks for your help.


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Subject: RE: Music Notation - Percy French Songbook
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 02:16 PM

It's "tonic sol-fa" notation.  There are a number of past threads on the subject which can be found through the "Digitrad and Forum Search" on the main Forum page.


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Subject: RE: Music Notation - Percy French Songbook
From: Tiger
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 03:28 PM

Thanks, Mal. I guess I should have paid more attention to those sol-fa threads as they went by. It seemed at the time (still does) that sol-fa notation fills a badly needed void :-)

Maybe OK as a shorthand exchange notation, especially before computers, but what's the point of printing it above the staff containing the actual dots?

As a demi-trained, and only half-serious music student, I can't imagine the rationale of singing (or learning to sing) from this notation, or shape notes, for that matter.

Same way I can't understand how a professed piano player says he can't play even a simple tune without sheet music.


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Subject: RE: Music Notation - Percy French Songbook
From: GUEST,John Andrews
Date: 15 May 10 - 05:43 PM

Hi Tiger
You asked about sol-fa -
"but what's the point of printing it above the staff containing the actual dots? "

The sol-fa is not tied to any set key (as are the dots on the stave,) so sol-fa provides pitch spaces relative to whatever note you sing as doh. Eh presto a great aide to transposition and getting a song into a range you can sing when the printed dots go too high or too low.


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