Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)

Related threads:
Tune Req: St. Georges Day Tune (3)
Happy St. George's Day. (10)
What songs for St. George's Day? (66)
Songs for St Georges Day (64)
BS: Happy St. George's Day (44)
Happy St George's Day (35)
BS: Respect On Saint George'sDay-April 23 (64)
St George's Day greetings one and all. (29)
Folklore: London celebrates St George's Day (18)
St. Georges day-Upnor, Kent UK (84)
St. George's Day on Late Junction (7)
St Georges Day (29)
BS: St George's day jokes (11)
St Georges Day What are you doing? (137)
Special St George's Day evening in SE22! (22)
St George's Day celebrations? (12)
Songs for St Georges Day (7)
Happy St George's Day! (17)
St. George's Day in Beverley (8)
St. George's Day at Little Hallingbury (5)
BS: How are we to celebrate St George's day (25)
st georges day a public holiday (66)
Folklore: St Georges day (136)
happy? – Nov 25 (St George & no dragon) (1)
St George's Day - in the courts (12)
BS: Happy St George's Day (22-April-2004) (36)
Sounds of St. George Tour (25)
St. George's Day Tour (2)
Sounds of St George tour (2)
S't Georges Day - folk clubs open (32)
BS: St. George's day (67)
BS: St. George (33)
St George's night in Hertford (5)
St George's Day (68)
All the Best for St Georges Day (25)
Happy St Georges day (19)


Joan from Wigan 21 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 22 Apr 01 - 01:18 AM
Tyke 22 Apr 01 - 01:59 AM
Joan from Wigan 22 Apr 01 - 03:03 AM
CRANKY YANKEE 22 Apr 01 - 03:04 AM
Joan from Wigan 22 Apr 01 - 03:10 AM
GUEST 22 Apr 01 - 08:18 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Apr 01 - 08:37 AM
GUEST,Bruce O. 22 Apr 01 - 09:06 AM
Tyke 22 Apr 01 - 11:13 AM
paddymac 22 Apr 01 - 11:23 AM
Abby Sale 22 Apr 01 - 12:27 PM
Abby Sale 22 Apr 01 - 12:35 PM
Joan from Wigan 22 Apr 01 - 12:47 PM
Joan from Wigan 22 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM
Tyke 22 Apr 01 - 04:09 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 22 Apr 01 - 05:50 PM
Gervase 23 Apr 01 - 05:05 AM
Abby Sale 23 Apr 01 - 11:32 AM
IanC 23 Apr 01 - 12:28 PM
Ringer 23 Apr 01 - 01:19 PM
MMario 23 Apr 01 - 01:35 PM
Joan from Wigan 23 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM
Abby Sale 24 Apr 01 - 10:39 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM

I'll be at a St George's Day celebration on Monday. I have a couple of seasonal songs, but there are very few in the DT. Can anyone point me in the direction of more please?

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:18 AM

For songs about St. George or St. George's Day see in the broadside ballad index on my website- ZN559, ZN3632, ZN2102, ZN2986, and ZN2921. In additon there are others to the tune of "St. George"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:59 AM

The lyrics for a tradional Pace Egging Song can be found here on the Rombalds Mummers web site. http://website.lineone.net/~aaardvark/index.html

The song Dance To The New St George recorded by the Albion Band is also worth a listen!

Of coarse we all know that St George was from Yorkshire don't we!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:03 AM

Indeed we do, Tyke, indeed we do! Although Coventry seem to be claiming him as well, on one website I visited. I found the Calling On/Pace Egging song on the aaardvark site, thanks for the help.

Bruce, you don't give a link to your site. I'd be grateful for a URL. (I've seen your responses on other threads, again without a link, which hasn't seemed to bother anyone. Am I missing something?)

On my trawl through different websites I came across "Toto Lyrics - St George And The Dragon" on www.azlyrics.com, beginning

Can you tell me where I might find the Hydra
Is he wearing a familiar face

It is by no means traditional, and I haven't a clue what "Toto" is (perhaps the name of the group/band?), but does anyone know the tune?

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:04 AM

Yeah, but Hull, Halifax and Hell are also in Yorkshire. (See the "Dalesman's Litany")

I, for one, intend to stick my head and guitar into every pub in Newport, Rhode Island (and maybe Middletown also) frequented by Irish- Americans, "Billy Goode's", "Aiden's", "One Pelham East","The Landing" The Irish American Club" and, yes, even the "Hibernian Hall" and at the top of my Lungs sing at lest two verses of "Rule Brittania" It aint an easy song to sing either. Well, Maybe I'll bring along Donna's Gibson guitar and leave my Martin at home.

Actually, this is one city where the different ethnic groups REALLY DO get along with eachother. I'll probably get a standing ovation. (?)

Y'see, I really am cranky.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:10 AM

Good on you, Cranky Yankee! There are not many places here in England that actually celebrate St George's Day, I'm really pleased that the tradition is being carried on even overseas (even if in a slightly different format!)

;-)....

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:18 AM

Bruce O's website It's also in Mudcat's Links, and in about a hundred threads in this Forum.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:37 AM

The Hymn that I know of as 'Jerusalem' contains the immortal words "Englands green and pleasant land" of course and to me is full of national pride as well as religious fervour which could well be suited to a Saints day. It's a lovely tune as well but might be more suited for massed choirs!

A bit of Kipling might go down well.

BTW - I'm sure someone told me St George was Italian or Greek or some such. Well, I guess Yorkshire is just as foreign.....(Retreats hastily over the Pennines:-))

Good luck anyway, Joan. I'll be down in Bristol but with you in spirit!

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:06 AM

St. George was from Cappadocia


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:13 AM

Oh and while I think about it Robin Hood was from Yorkshire! It was the Sheriff that was from Nottingham! Just thought I would clear that up whilst we were on the subject. However someone told me that a Lancastrian invented the Banjo is this true? :-)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: paddymac
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:23 AM

Cappadocia ? Isn't that in Supracallfragilistica? :>)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:27 PM

I understood, from English Folk-Rhymes, GF Northall that the "Pace-egging Song" was used for Easter, not St George Day at all. I'm not sure what you mean, Joan, by "seasonal" songs. Assumedly for this season, not a selection of wassailling songs in general. I have a pretty good this-seasonal story - see next post.

Bur for 4/23 per se, I have

Novelist Vladimir Nabokov was born 4/23/1899. (d7/2/1977) There's the popular contemporary calypso with the chorus:
Lolita, hey, Lolita
What you charging your Daddy for?
Lolita, hey, Lolita
Why you go away?


and

4/23/1616 in Barcelona, Sp is "Book Day" re death of Miguel de Cervantes (4/13 OS) [Maybe was born 9/29/1547]

If they ask you where the old man's gone
You may say you saw me leaving
If they ask you did I crawl
You may say that I was riding
If they ask you was I bent with care
Or did I hang my head in sorrow
You may say that I rode tall
Looking forward to tomorrow


"Old Man's Song," ("Don Quixote") by Bill Caddick and John Tams for the play; DigTrad filename[ OLDMANSG


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:35 PM

On 4/22 in 2001, that is on the octave of (Sunday after) Easter it's:
                          Quasimodo!

           Happy Quasimodo!

And I say unto you, my friends, I'm sure many of you will celebrate
Quasimodo (ie, "Low Sunday") today.  I have learned from one of the more
erudite members of the Orlando Chapter of Friends of Florida Folk some of
the fascinating background of this historic day.  I'll try to report her
wise and potent words as well as I can, given my own severe limitations.

It seems that on this day, many years ago, a poor deformed babe was
abandoned on the steps of the Cathedral of Notre Dame.  The good fathers
took him in and named him after the day, Low Sunday or as it's sometimes
known, Quasimodo.  After a while he got into some trouble with a Gypsy girl
but another teller has told that tale.  Our events take place some years later.

In fact, Quas finally developed into a well-respected functionary of the
Church, fulfilling his chores as sexton and pastor to Gypsies quite well.
And after the Union intervened, he got regular wages, a pension plan, his
own hovel on the Cathedral grounds and all the usual benefits.

In the fullness of time, the priest-administrator saw that Quas was getting
on and having great difficulty climbing all the way up to the bell tower and
performing his main and highly valued job.  After due consultation, it was
decided to retire the good Quas on half-pay.

The administrator explained that Quas would retire in dignity, remain a
consultant bell ringer and be able to keep his hovel as long as he lived.
Further, because of his expertise, Quas would personally approve his own
replacement and train him up as necessary.

Ads for intake-level bell ringers were duly placed with the news criers,
employment agencies and the University bulletin board.  There weren't many
applicants, but Quas was all set to do the interviewing.  Set out
application forms, quills, a waiting room...the usual.

Soon he heard a sort of a thud (nothing like a knock) on his hovel door. He
wasn't at all sure what to make of it but after a while he felt there must
be something there so he went to look.  There was a person there after all.
Nice and neat young man with just the right alert-respectful smile.  Quas
saw that he'd been knocking on the door with his head and Quas just barely
avoided getting butted.  This seemed considerably strange and Quas pondered
long an deep and finally noticed the young man had no arms at all.

"Hmmm. Can I help you?"

"Yes. I've come about the bell-ringer job."

"Really?"

"Yes. Is it still open?"

"Well," said Quas, "generally, this job is rated as one for people with a
certain number of arms.  With no disrespect, you seem to be a little
disadvantaged in that department...to the tune of...just about...two."

"Please" said the very earnest young man, "just give me a chance."

"Well, I don't know.  It's very hard work, you know."

"Please, good sir!  I know I can do it if only I have a chance.  Won't you
at least let me try?"

"Well, ok, said Quas, "I've been subject to some discrimination, myself, I
don't want to pre-judge.  But I just don't see how you can do it."

Up to the bell tower they climbed.  Tallest structure in the city at the
time and there they were finally at the top platform where the bells were.
With a look of fierce determination, the man took a full running start and
hurled himself straight into the bell, hitting it with his forehead.  He
fell back on the platform dazed - nearly unconscious - with a great gash in
his face.  He spurted some blood and seemed already to be starting
considerable swelling.  But the bell gave off the most beautiful peal, a
perfect note wafting out over Paris.

"How was that?", he finally said when he'd recovered enough to talk.

"Really very good," said Quas, "but you see, we need quite a few tones in a
row, and further, with the damage you've done to your face, I don't think
the insurance company will allow it.  I don't think this can work out."

"Please," said the young man, "let me try once more.  I've got another idea
I'm sure will work.  Just one more try?"

"Ok, one last try."

Now the young man backed up to the far rear of the walkway.  Taking several
deep breaths, he hurled himself forward at top speed.  Just as he arrived
at the edge to take a massive leap he stepped on a banana peel, flew into
space and plummeted to the ground 200 feet below.

Quas tore down the stairs and when he got to the ground, there was the
quite dead unfortunate aspirant, already surrounded by police, a crowd of
citizens and the press.

A police sergeant saw Quas and asked if he knew who the poor lad was.

"No," said Quas, "I don't know his name but his face sure rings a bell."

==================================================================

Follow-up historical notes supplied by Christa Heuser:

There's more to this story. You see, the bell-ringer position _still_ had
to be filled, and the next day, another man came to apply for the position.
He, too had no arms.  Quas said, "As you may know, there was a tragic
incident just yesterday involving a limb-disadvantaged bell-ringer. I
really don't think our insurance will allow us to hire another one."

But the man insisted that he be given a try; he said "I was aware of that
incident; yesterday's unfortunate bell-ringer was my brother, and I feel it
is my duty to take his place.  I am sure that I will be able to do the
job."  So, reluctantly, Quas took him up to the bell-tower and gave him a
try.  The no-armed man ran up to the bell, hit it with his head, and ducked
out of the way very quickly to avoid the back swing.  It looked as though
he really would be able to do the job, so Quas hired him on the spot.

Unfortunately, one day, the bell-ringer got stinking drunk before he had to
go up and ring the bell.  He went up anyway, hit the bell but got clipped
by the back-swing and stumbled and fell out of the bell-tower to his death.

Quasimodo rushed down, and saw that yet another no-armed man had died. A
policeman came by and asked if Quasimodo could identify the body. "No,"
Quas said, "I don't know his name, but he's a dead ringer for his brother."

=================================================================
 


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:47 PM

By 'seasonal' I mean specifically for St George's Day (as in the thread title). Sorry for any confusion. The only songs I could find in the DT that actually mention St George are the Cornish May Carol and Furry Day Carol, which strictly should be sung in May, but I may include them tomorrow because of the St George reference. The Pace-Egging song pointed out by Tyke is actually a calling-on song for a mumming play specifically about St George - a slightly different twist on the traditional story, and the website actually gives the complete script. It is therefore intended to be performed on St George's Day, and I would thus call it 'seasonal'.

And Bruce, thanks for the link - I obviously don't use all of Mudcat's resources often enough. Must try harder...

Many thanks to all for the help received so far.

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM

Abby, it looks like our posts crossed in cyberspace - I like the story! Thanks very much for sharing it. I shall certainly use it.

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 04:09 PM

Well I just can't remember the complicated formula that is used to calculate Easter Sunday! However I am certain it falls on different dates every year! It is not then impossible for it to fall on St George's Day as our English Patron Saint's Day is always on the same day. So although I have not read "English Folk-Rhymes" I would say that never is a bit of a sweeping statement. Not that it matters as the calling on song that is on the Rombalds Mummers Web Site is based on a Traditional Mummers play from Kirby Longsdale. As the Play was brought up to date (as were the original play's) by poking fun and having a go at Nuclear Power, The Pollution of our Sea's and Beaches by Oil and the erosion of our National Health Service for Private Health Service's. The calling on song was also adapted to fit the play more years ago than I care to remember. I do remember having performed the play 10 years before the Chernobyl disaster! I would suggest that until the message gets through you could sing it on any day and it would be relevant. "So lets leave the factory and leave the forge and dance to the New St George" :-)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 05:50 PM

What about Padstow? The Rankins sang it a few years ago, and seems to me they mentioned St. George in it.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 05:05 AM

Aye, George was, by all accounts, from Cappadocia (now part of Turkey). He was a popular chap, who got adopted as the patron saint of a lot of places. There's a reasonable page about him here .
Like most early Christian saints, one can only conjecture about his life, but he is said to have enlisted in the Roman army (presumably as an auxilliary, given that he wasn't a Roman), where he rose to reasonable rank only to fall foul of an anti-Christian edict proclaimed by Diocletian.
The dragon legend is first encountered in a manuscript by James de Voragine, a bishop of Genoa, and is said to have taken place outside the town of Salone in what is now Libya while George was a tribune in the Roman army. If there is any basis in fact, the dragon may well have been a crocodile!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:32 AM

Tyke: It's pretty straightforward: Easter is the 1st Sunday after (not on) the 1st Full Moon after the vernal equinox.

George (Hi!): Yes, in the version in the database, there's:

O where is St. George?
O where is he o?
He's out in his longboat
All on the salt sea-o


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:28 PM

Tyke

What yer mean RH's from Yorkshire. He was from Huntingdonshire. He just lived in Yorkshire for a while.

;-)

Ian


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Ringer
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:19 PM

Do you know why the Sunday after Easter is called Low Sunday, Abby? (I'm asking 'cos I don't know, not to show off my wisdom. The question came up in the ringing chamber yesterday.)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:35 PM

attendence. typically there are two "Low Sundays" - the first Sunday after Easter and the first Sunday after Christmas.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM

Many thanks to everyone for help and suggestions and information. I have an armful of material to take with me tonight, and when I get a chance I'll post some of the songs found that aren't already in the DT.

Joan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:39 AM

MMario: I'd never say you were wrong - these customs are lost in memory & reasons abound - Folk Process. However, a different take is given in the Unabridged Webster's. They claim it's from the first two words of the psalm used on that day in (the old) mass. Basically meaning, 'not quite Sunday.' (ie, not the real Sunday.) My speciality not being Christianity, I had a look at the extensive Catholic website & the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:

Low Sunday

The first Sunday after Easter. The origin of the name is uncertain, but it is apparently intended to indicate the contrast between it and the great Easter festival immediately preceding, and also, perhaps, to signify that, being the Octave Day of Easter, it was considered part of that feast, though in a lower degree. Its liturgical name is Dominica in albis depositis, derived from the fact that on it the neophytes, who had been baptized on Easter Eve, then for the first time laid aside their white baptismal robes. St. Augustine mentions this custom in a sermon for the day, and it is also alluded to in the Eastertide Vesper hymn, "Ad regias Agni dapes" (or, in its older form, "Ad cœnam Agni providi"), written by an ancient imitator of St. Ambrose. Low Sunday is also called by some liturgical writers Pascha clausum, signifying the close of the Easter Octave, and "Quasimodo Sunday", from the Introit at Mass — "Quasi modo geniti infantes, rationabile, sine dolo lac concupiscite", — which words are used by the Church with special reference to the newly baptized neophytes, as well as in general allusion to man's renovation through the Resurrection. The latter name is still common in parts of France and Germany.

For some reason, BabelFish does not provide Latin-English translation but if you treat the Latin as Spanish, you get:

Quasi way geniti infants, rationabile, sine dolo lac concupiscite

Hmmm. But if you treat it as Italian, you do much better and get:

Nearly way geniti infantes, rationabile, sine concupiscite fraud lac


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 25 April 5:08 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.