Subject: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 21 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM I'll be at a St George's Day celebration on Monday. I have a couple of seasonal songs, but there are very few in the DT. Can anyone point me in the direction of more please? Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:18 AM For songs about St. George or St. George's Day see in the broadside ballad index on my website- ZN559, ZN3632, ZN2102, ZN2986, and ZN2921. In additon there are others to the tune of "St. George" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Tyke Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:59 AM The lyrics for a tradional Pace Egging Song can be found here on the Rombalds Mummers web site. http://website.lineone.net/~aaardvark/index.html The song Dance To The New St George recorded by the Albion Band is also worth a listen! Of coarse we all know that St George was from Yorkshire don't we! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:03 AM Indeed we do, Tyke, indeed we do! Although Coventry seem to be claiming him as well, on one website I visited. I found the Calling On/Pace Egging song on the aaardvark site, thanks for the help. Bruce, you don't give a link to your site. I'd be grateful for a URL. (I've seen your responses on other threads, again without a link, which hasn't seemed to bother anyone. Am I missing something?) On my trawl through different websites I came across "Toto Lyrics - St George And The Dragon" on www.azlyrics.com, beginning Can you tell me where I might find the Hydra Is he wearing a familiar face It is by no means traditional, and I haven't a clue what "Toto" is (perhaps the name of the group/band?), but does anyone know the tune? Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: CRANKY YANKEE Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:04 AM Yeah, but Hull, Halifax and Hell are also in Yorkshire. (See the "Dalesman's Litany") I, for one, intend to stick my head and guitar into every pub in Newport, Rhode Island (and maybe Middletown also) frequented by Irish- Americans, "Billy Goode's", "Aiden's", "One Pelham East","The Landing" The Irish American Club" and, yes, even the "Hibernian Hall" and at the top of my Lungs sing at lest two verses of "Rule Brittania" It aint an easy song to sing either. Well, Maybe I'll bring along Donna's Gibson guitar and leave my Martin at home. Actually, this is one city where the different ethnic groups REALLY DO get along with eachother. I'll probably get a standing ovation. (?) Y'see, I really am cranky. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 22 Apr 01 - 03:10 AM Good on you, Cranky Yankee! There are not many places here in England that actually celebrate St George's Day, I'm really pleased that the tradition is being carried on even overseas (even if in a slightly different format!) ;-).... Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:18 AM Bruce O's website It's also in Mudcat's Links, and in about a hundred threads in this Forum. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:37 AM The Hymn that I know of as 'Jerusalem' contains the immortal words "Englands green and pleasant land" of course and to me is full of national pride as well as religious fervour which could well be suited to a Saints day. It's a lovely tune as well but might be more suited for massed choirs! A bit of Kipling might go down well. BTW - I'm sure someone told me St George was Italian or Greek or some such. Well, I guess Yorkshire is just as foreign.....(Retreats hastily over the Pennines:-)) Good luck anyway, Joan. I'll be down in Bristol but with you in spirit! Cheers Dave the Gnome |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:06 AM St. George was from Cappadocia |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Tyke Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:13 AM Oh and while I think about it Robin Hood was from Yorkshire! It was the Sheriff that was from Nottingham! Just thought I would clear that up whilst we were on the subject. However someone told me that a Lancastrian invented the Banjo is this true? :-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: paddymac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:23 AM Cappadocia ? Isn't that in Supracallfragilistica? :>) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Abby Sale Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:27 PM I understood, from English Folk-Rhymes, GF Northall that the "Pace-egging Song" was used for Easter, not St George Day at all. I'm not sure what you mean, Joan, by "seasonal" songs. Assumedly for this season, not a selection of wassailling songs in general. I have a pretty good this-seasonal story - see next post. Bur for 4/23 per se, I have Novelist Vladimir Nabokov was born 4/23/1899. (d7/2/1977) There's the popular contemporary calypso with the chorus: Lolita, hey, Lolita What you charging your Daddy for? Lolita, hey, Lolita Why you go away? and 4/23/1616 in Barcelona, Sp is "Book Day" re death of Miguel de Cervantes (4/13 OS) [Maybe was born 9/29/1547] If they ask you where the old man's gone You may say you saw me leaving If they ask you did I crawl You may say that I was riding If they ask you was I bent with care Or did I hang my head in sorrow You may say that I rode tall Looking forward to tomorrow "Old Man's Song," ("Don Quixote") by Bill Caddick and John Tams for the play; DigTrad filename[ OLDMANSG |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Abby Sale Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:35 PM On 4/22 in 2001, that is on the octave of (Sunday after) Easter it's: Quasimodo!And I say unto you, my friends, I'm sure many of you will celebrate Quasimodo (ie, "Low Sunday") today. I have learned from one of the more erudite members of the Orlando Chapter of Friends of Florida Folk some of the fascinating background of this historic day. I'll try to report her wise and potent words as well as I can, given my own severe limitations. It seems that on this day, many years ago, a poor deformed babe was In fact, Quas finally developed into a well-respected functionary of the In the fullness of time, the priest-administrator saw that Quas was getting The administrator explained that Quas would retire in dignity, remain a Ads for intake-level bell ringers were duly placed with the news criers, Soon he heard a sort of a thud (nothing like a knock) on his hovel door. He "Hmmm. Can I help you?" "Yes. I've come about the bell-ringer job." "Really?" "Yes. Is it still open?" "Well," said Quas, "generally, this job is rated as one for people with a "Please" said the very earnest young man, "just give me a chance." "Well, I don't know. It's very hard work, you know." "Please, good sir! I know I can do it if only I have a chance. Won't you "Well, ok, said Quas, "I've been subject to some discrimination, myself, I Up to the bell tower they climbed. Tallest structure in the city at the "How was that?", he finally said when he'd recovered enough to talk. "Really very good," said Quas, "but you see, we need quite a few tones in a "Please," said the young man, "let me try once more. I've got another idea "Ok, one last try." Now the young man backed up to the far rear of the walkway. Taking several Quas tore down the stairs and when he got to the ground, there was the A police sergeant saw Quas and asked if he knew who the poor lad was. "No," said Quas, "I don't know his name but his face sure rings a bell." ================================================================== Follow-up historical notes supplied by Christa Heuser: There's more to this story. You see, the bell-ringer position _still_ had But the man insisted that he be given a try; he said "I was aware of that Unfortunately, one day, the bell-ringer got stinking drunk before he had to Quasimodo rushed down, and saw that yet another no-armed man had died. A ================================================================= |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 22 Apr 01 - 12:47 PM By 'seasonal' I mean specifically for St George's Day (as in the thread title). Sorry for any confusion. The only songs I could find in the DT that actually mention St George are the Cornish May Carol and Furry Day Carol, which strictly should be sung in May, but I may include them tomorrow because of the St George reference. The Pace-Egging song pointed out by Tyke is actually a calling-on song for a mumming play specifically about St George - a slightly different twist on the traditional story, and the website actually gives the complete script. It is therefore intended to be performed on St George's Day, and I would thus call it 'seasonal'. And Bruce, thanks for the link - I obviously don't use all of Mudcat's resources often enough. Must try harder... Many thanks to all for the help received so far. Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM Abby, it looks like our posts crossed in cyberspace - I like the story! Thanks very much for sharing it. I shall certainly use it. Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Tyke Date: 22 Apr 01 - 04:09 PM Well I just can't remember the complicated formula that is used to calculate Easter Sunday! However I am certain it falls on different dates every year! It is not then impossible for it to fall on St George's Day as our English Patron Saint's Day is always on the same day. So although I have not read "English Folk-Rhymes" I would say that never is a bit of a sweeping statement. Not that it matters as the calling on song that is on the Rombalds Mummers Web Site is based on a Traditional Mummers play from Kirby Longsdale. As the Play was brought up to date (as were the original play's) by poking fun and having a go at Nuclear Power, The Pollution of our Sea's and Beaches by Oil and the erosion of our National Health Service for Private Health Service's. The calling on song was also adapted to fit the play more years ago than I care to remember. I do remember having performed the play 10 years before the Chernobyl disaster! I would suggest that until the message gets through you could sing it on any day and it would be relevant. "So lets leave the factory and leave the forge and dance to the New St George" :-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22 Apr 01 - 05:50 PM What about Padstow? The Rankins sang it a few years ago, and seems to me they mentioned St. George in it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Gervase Date: 23 Apr 01 - 05:05 AM Aye, George was, by all accounts, from Cappadocia (now part of Turkey). He was a popular chap, who got adopted as the patron saint of a lot of places. There's a reasonable page about him here . Like most early Christian saints, one can only conjecture about his life, but he is said to have enlisted in the Roman army (presumably as an auxilliary, given that he wasn't a Roman), where he rose to reasonable rank only to fall foul of an anti-Christian edict proclaimed by Diocletian. The dragon legend is first encountered in a manuscript by James de Voragine, a bishop of Genoa, and is said to have taken place outside the town of Salone in what is now Libya while George was a tribune in the Roman army. If there is any basis in fact, the dragon may well have been a crocodile! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Abby Sale Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:32 AM Tyke: It's pretty straightforward: Easter is the 1st Sunday after (not on) the 1st Full Moon after the vernal equinox. George (Hi!): Yes, in the version in the database, there's: O where is St. George? O where is he o? He's out in his longboat All on the salt sea-o |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: IanC Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:28 PM Tyke What yer mean RH's from Yorkshire. He was from Huntingdonshire. He just lived in Yorkshire for a while. ;-) Ian |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Ringer Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:19 PM Do you know why the Sunday after Easter is called Low Sunday, Abby? (I'm asking 'cos I don't know, not to show off my wisdom. The question came up in the ringing chamber yesterday.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: MMario Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:35 PM attendence. typically there are two "Low Sundays" - the first Sunday after Easter and the first Sunday after Christmas. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Joan from Wigan Date: 23 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM Many thanks to everyone for help and suggestions and information. I have an armful of material to take with me tonight, and when I get a chance I'll post some of the songs found that aren't already in the DT. Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Abby Sale Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:39 AM MMario: I'd never say you were wrong - these customs are lost in memory & reasons abound - Folk Process. However, a different take is given in the Unabridged Webster's. They claim it's from the first two words of the psalm used on that day in (the old) mass. Basically meaning, 'not quite Sunday.' (ie, not the real Sunday.) My speciality not being Christianity, I had a look at the extensive Catholic website & the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia: Low Sunday The first Sunday after Easter. The origin of the name is uncertain, but it is apparently intended to indicate the contrast between it and the great Easter festival immediately preceding, and also, perhaps, to signify that, being the Octave Day of Easter, it was considered part of that feast, though in a lower degree. Its liturgical name is Dominica in albis depositis, derived from the fact that on it the neophytes, who had been baptized on Easter Eve, then for the first time laid aside their white baptismal robes. St. Augustine mentions this custom in a sermon for the day, and it is also alluded to in the Eastertide Vesper hymn, "Ad regias Agni dapes" (or, in its older form, "Ad cœnam Agni providi"), written by an ancient imitator of St. Ambrose. Low Sunday is also called by some liturgical writers Pascha clausum, signifying the close of the Easter Octave, and "Quasimodo Sunday", from the Introit at Mass — "Quasi modo geniti infantes, rationabile, sine dolo lac concupiscite", — which words are used by the Church with special reference to the newly baptized neophytes, as well as in general allusion to man's renovation through the Resurrection. The latter name is still common in parts of France and Germany. For some reason, BabelFish does not provide Latin-English translation but if you treat the Latin as Spanish, you get: Quasi way geniti infants, rationabile, sine dolo lac concupiscite Hmmm. But if you treat it as Italian, you do much better and get: Nearly way geniti infantes, rationabile, sine concupiscite fraud lac |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) Date: 08 Mar 25 - 12:03 PM I would translate Quasi modo geniti infantes, rationabile, sine dolo lac concupiscite as "As newborn infants, reasonably and without guile desire ye milk." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GerryM Date: 08 Mar 25 - 04:10 PM According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ederlezi_(song), ""Ederlezi" is a popular traditional folk song of the Romani people in the Balkans. "The song got its name from Ederlezi, which is a festival celebrating the return of springtime, especially by the Romani people of the Balkans, and elsewhere around the world. Ederlezi is the Romani name for the Feast of Saint George. It is celebrated on 6 May [O.S. 23 April] (occurring approximately 40 days after the spring equinox). The various Balkan spellings (Herdeljez, Erdelezi) are variants of the Turkish Hidirellez." It's a beautiful song, eminently suitable for Saint George's Day. There are many fine recordings online. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GUEST,Peter Cripps Date: 09 Mar 25 - 06:41 AM St George (Smith) lived in Gloucestershire! At Deerhurst Walton. He cut off the head of a serpent that was terrorising the village, after requests to the King for help had been ignored. They put up a statue (of the dragon) in Deerhurst Church, and George married the farmer's daughter, and the Smith family still farm that land to this day! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: GUEST,Peter Cripps Date: 09 Mar 25 - 06:45 AM Legend of the Deerhurst Dragon |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: St George's Day songs (April 23) From: Long Firm Freddie Date: 10 Mar 25 - 11:31 AM I appreciate this is a 24 year old thread, but here's a link to a video of John Kirpatrick singing his self-penned song St George and a listing of the lyrics: St George, John Kirpatrick LFF |
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