Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl

Subject: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: harpgirl
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 04:13 PM

Golden Ring Around The Susan Girl

by Jean Ritchie

(F) Golden ring around the Su-san (C)girl
Golden (F) ring around the Susan girl
All the way a(C)round the Susan girl (F).
(F)Take a little girl and give 'er a whirl
Take a little girl and give 'er a (C) whirl,
All the way a(C)round the Susan (F)girl.

chorus

(F) Round and around, Susan girl,
Round and around Susan (Eflat)girl,
Round and a(F)round, Susan girl,
All the way around the Susan (Dm)girl.

Do-si-do right, you Susan girl,
Do-si-do right, you Susan girl,
Do-si-do right, you Susan girl,
All the way around the Susan girl.
And do-si-do left, you Susan girl,
Do-si-do left, you Susan girl,
Do-si-do left , you Susan girl,
All the way around the Susan girl.
chorus

Hand over hand, you Susan girl,
Hand over hand, you Susan girl,
Hand over hand, you Susan girl,
All the way around the Susan girl.
Get a little faster, Susan girl!
Get a little faster, Susan girl!
Get a little faster, Susan girl!
All the way around the Susan girl.
chorus

Then take 'im on home, Susan girl,
Take 'im on home, Susan girl,
Take 'im on home, Susan girl,
All the way around the Susan girl.
chorus

1963, 1971 Geordie Music Publishing all rights reserved

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 02:24 PM

This song is already in DT, where it is called GOLDEN RING AROUND MY SUSAN GIRL.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 02:27 PM

however - if you're able to scan the dots and e-mail them to me; or do a midi and post it...it is one of the "missing tunes"

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 05:58 AM

Before you post lyrics, please be sure to search for the song in the Digital Tradition and the Forum. If you don't do it, it forces somebody else to do it.
Sometimes, there is a need to post a song that's already in the database, to show a different version or to point out something in discussion. In those rare circumstances, please include a note that says the song is already in the Digital Tradition.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: harpgirl
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 06:29 AM

I did search. I always do a search. But this one didn't come up. When the titles are a bit different, for instance, they don't come up. This is Jean's title from her songbook. I don't post them if they come up. I just wish we could be as concerned about the rest of the forum, Joe. hg

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:43 AM

I have also searched and not found, and have seen posts indicating others have too. Harp, I get around it by searching not on the title but on an unusual phrase, and this often pops up a version in a thread or in the DT.

That was the case recently with a couple of pieces that some had thought might all be the same song but weren't-- four different songs, and later a possible fifth and sixth, were identified as related in theme but not in source, author, melody, etc. To answer the original request for a song, and do it so as to leave a sensible record, I ended up spending an ENORMOUS amount of time compiling a thread that untangled the threads speculating about them and linked them all together.

What I learned from that is that the difficulties of having multiple postings of a song can get pretty hairy over time-- because now that this site has been around for awhile, research through the threads, on any given song, can be complicated and extended every time a new thread about the song, or a new posting of it, occurs. And we have stuff piling up that will be harder and harder to organize, the longer the site is here.

Somehow, at some point, it will be desirable to work out a way to cross-reference them in some way in addition to be able to SuperSarch them, and I do not envy whoever will ahve to dream that up and do the work.

We've created a monster! *G*G* We've speeded up and broadened the Folk Process! God help those who come after US!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: harpgirl
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:20 PM

I do that too, Susan. I think it's just glitches in the searching software. Where is Sir Thomas More when we need him...I get hinky when the only thing I'm doing on the forum at this point is posting songs I think someone will be interested in and I still get grief! Why bother anymore?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 06:51 PM

I suppose I've developed a knack for searching, and it might make me a bit impatient with those who don't have the knack. If I was unjustly impatient, I'm sorry. I thought I worded my search request rather gently, but maybe not.
Title searching doesn't work very well on songs - not here, not on google, and not anywhere. The best thing to look for is a distinctive phrase from a song, something that is not likely to turn up often. Thanks partly to Folk-Legacy Records, "Golden Ring" is a very common term in folk music, so it's not a good term to search under. "Susan girl" is probably the best search term in this song (although it breaks the rule because it's part of the title). It's distinctive - not likely to be used in many songs, and yet something that everybody who sings this particular song is likely to use. It's also a term that's not likely to have variations in spelling, or in use of articles or pronouns or prepositions (singers frequently interchange words in these categories).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 07:00 PM

Hey Harp. I am always interested in songs you have. I'd be glad to help post them anytime. Or help look them up before they get posted.

Joe, since we are now discussing this here, can you tell me if any of the mirrors does better than the others in search accuracy, or any other tricks to make it work best? Because I also am doing a whole lot of song posting-- in my case it is mostly hymns and such.

Also, I have an idea-- your computer is faster than mine, maybe you or Harpgirl can test it. If you do a search in one window on one phrase, and another in another window on another phrase, then wouldn't the song you want be in one of the threads (or in the DT) that comes up in the list for BOTH phrases?

~Susan

Subject: Guidelines for posting lyrics
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:50 PM

Well, Susan - I'm not sure I understand your question. An Internet search should not depend on the speed of your computer - the information transmitted to conduct a search is very little, rarely the length of a single sentence. The speed depends on the Internet connection and traffic, the design of the search engine, the amount of data being searched, and the speed of the server which conducts the search.
If you're posting a number of interrelated songs, generally it's best to post them together in the same thread (it's much easier for us harvesters to find them), one song per message, with ADD and the title of the song in the "subject" line for the message. If you can stick to the Digital Tradition format specified in the FAQ, that would be helpful. Also be sure to specify the source for the information, and any songwriter and copyright information. The date the song was copyrighted is also very important.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:22 PM

Joe, when I go into two-windows-open mode I get very, very slow. Especially activating one, then the other.

I have been doing a lot of song posting of late; are the formats OK so far? I generally put just one per message, although in the Lent thread and the Cape Breton threads I did not. BTW, why does that make life easier in harvesting?

~S~

Subject: Submitting Lyrics
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:08 AM

Hi, Susan - threads with multiple messages tend to stay on the Forum Menu longer, so they're less likely to get missed. Also, when there are multiple songs in a thread on a single subject or from a single songwriter, they tend to stimulate discussion.
I understand you're working on a 486, right? I can understand your slowness problems. You should get a gold medal (or a text browser, one of the two...). I'd suggest that you use the DOS version of the Digital Tradition as much as you can. It's a slick, speedy program - even on a 286. Too bad people don't do DOS dese days. NOBODY does Windows 3.1. Even Bill D finally capitulated.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Golden Ring Around the Susan Girl
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:29 AM

Do you mean that I would get more accurate AND faster DT searches if I download the DOS DT?

I am hoping to replace this-- trying to avoid messing with it since it is, hopefully, on the way OUT.

Also I don't trust it with the smoke damage-- so all important files are being saved to Mydocsonline, not on the hard disk. Not just backups-- it's now primary file storage.

~S~