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BS: Attack Mousethief Here

Mooh 25 Apr 01 - 10:19 AM
Mooh 25 Apr 01 - 10:06 AM
Wavestar 25 Apr 01 - 10:04 AM
Orac 25 Apr 01 - 10:00 AM
GUEST,Karen 25 Apr 01 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Karen 25 Apr 01 - 09:44 AM
Troll 25 Apr 01 - 09:44 AM
Gary T 25 Apr 01 - 09:07 AM
Troll 25 Apr 01 - 08:54 AM
Orac 25 Apr 01 - 05:52 AM
Crazy Eddie 25 Apr 01 - 04:02 AM
Crazy Eddie 25 Apr 01 - 03:59 AM
CarolC 25 Apr 01 - 03:54 AM
Blackcatter 25 Apr 01 - 12:48 AM
Peg 25 Apr 01 - 12:38 AM
Gary T 25 Apr 01 - 12:18 AM
Bill D 24 Apr 01 - 11:54 PM
Troll 24 Apr 01 - 11:50 PM
Gary T 24 Apr 01 - 11:32 PM
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Blackcatter 24 Apr 01 - 09:01 PM
Hawker 24 Apr 01 - 08:00 PM
kendall 24 Apr 01 - 07:58 PM
Little Hawk 24 Apr 01 - 07:38 PM
John Hardly 24 Apr 01 - 06:07 PM
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gnu 24 Apr 01 - 04:17 PM
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GUEST,Kenneth Keith Kelly 24 Apr 01 - 03:50 PM
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Roger in Sheffield 24 Apr 01 - 01:47 PM
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Peter K (Fionn) 24 Apr 01 - 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:19 AM

Oh yeah, and Mousethief, you're a scuzbucket.

Doin' to others. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:06 AM

Hmmm...Once I received a rather vicious personal e-mail based on my espousal of the golden rule, more than once I think, here in Mudcatville, because it was overtly Christian. They also didn't like my signing of each post, "Peace"; perhaps I sound self-righteous. I still think it works (the golden rule that is), unless of course you want folks to beat the crap out of you (in a literal and figurative sense). In the case of which I write, it was assumed that I was anti-somethingoranother because I am pro-Christian. Huh?

As long as I live I won't figure it out. I am pro-bicycle too, but I'm not anti-walking. You can get where you're going in more than one compatible fashion without trodding over another's methods, faith, or sensibilities.

In the words of a much wiser man than Mooh, "Will you be my neighbour?".

Peace. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Wavestar
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:04 AM

Troll, and Orac -

Keep in mind (and DON'T point fingers at me and say I'm a rabid femenist because of this) that the tradtional male and white interests are still being explored and studied. Strangely, they fall under the category of wat we simply call 'studies' - as in, there is fememist literary criticism, black literary criticism, and then literary criticism. The last one covers what could be classified as 'white Anglo-saxon male dominated criticism' and always has. That's why there is frequently not felt to be a need for a specific study or interest group.

I am not saying that this covers the interests of white men only, or even appropriately - but traditionally, it's sort of been their bailiwick, and there's been no need to attach "white studies" or "masculine criticism" to it.

On the other subject- I'm white, at least in skin, and I don't see why I should be ashamed of it. I suspect there are African Americans (ex slaves) and likely also Native Americans in my heritage. I like that - but my skin is kind of pale pink. Okay, so as I child I always wanted a pretty brown, but I've learened to deal with what I've got. If you don't like it, that makes you a racist, not me.

Oh, and Alex, You're a git. And a... a.. cream-faced loon. And a badger-backed ankle biter. No, seriously, you irritate me from time to time, and I don't agree with your attitude towards homosexuals, but you're a nice guy. I disagree with lots of people.

-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Orac
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:00 AM

I would have thought that the changes in the roles of men and women were more brought about by two world wars than any of these organisations. If things are so great for men why are 70% of suicides men. Does the Dept for women's affairs have a separate one for black women.. or are all women the same regardless of colour? Does that mean there only a difference between white/black men? ... I'm still confused...


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:45 AM

Oops! Sorry Alex, I forgot to insult you. Ummm...oh I know! Drop dead!!! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:44 AM

You are certainly right, GaryT, about "minorities" being overlooked in studies but I tend to agree more with Orac. We've done so much to placate the "overlooked" we ourselves are being made to appear as "the bad guys". A "Black Pride" month would not get many people's ire up but a "White Pride" month sure as heck would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Troll
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:44 AM

One is as exclusionary as the other. No one says that there should not be Black or womens Studies but there are no White or Mens studies programs; in fact, it would seem that the very idea is ignored.
Is everything there is to know about Whites or Men known? True, non-whites and females have been overlooked. Because they are now being given the chance to have their own departments of study so the scales will begin to come into balance, does this mean that Whites and men must be ignored until some mystical equilibrium is achieved?
Is it OK to be proud of being Black but not of being White; of being female but not of being male?
And, if it is OK, why is it OK?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Gary T
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:07 AM

Well, a partial rebuttal. I'm all for taking reasonable pride in who you are, and not overreacting to those who do so. I would point out, however, that the reason we have things like an Institute for Black Studies and a Department of Women's Affairs, and don't have corresponding constructs for white studies and men's affairs, is that historically whites have been well studied and men's affairs well tended to, usually with the exclusion of blacks, women, etc. from consideration. The idea isn't that whites and males are being overlooked now, but that non-whites and females have been overlooked for centuries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Troll
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:54 AM

Thank you Orac. Well said.
Rebutals anyone?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Orac
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 05:52 AM

I'm baffled by all of this. Why is it ok to be proud to be black but not to be proud to be white. Why isn't it ok to be happy to be the way you are. There are organisations such as The Instutute for Black Studies ... if there were and Instute for White studies there would be uproar. In England there is a government dept for womens affairs... nothing for men of course... if there were it would be sexist. There are many who are proud (quite rightly) of their black origins.. black culture.. black music.... as soon as some poor sod says he's proud of being the opposite.. he's a racist bastard who should have been hanged, drawn and quartered before conception. I really think you should examine your own motives before you say anything here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 04:02 AM

.....series of Batman on TV."
He hastily added having messed up his original post!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 03:59 AM

"Take that" POW! "and that" SOK! "and one of these" BIFF!
"So! Planning to kidnap the sacred animal ( well, a nominated candidate anyway ) of our wonderful Jedi religion, from the other thread, are you......I'll learn ya!"
"What's that? You weren't really planning to kidnap the Dormouse? It's just some kind of nickname you use on the internet??"
"Erm....sorry....I...ah.....mumble...mumble.....actually, the bleeding has nearly stopped already." "I'll,...ah....just go now, shall I?"
Moves away, with head down, at a pace somewhere between a slink & a sidle, still muttering.

Eddie, (who couldn't beat his way out of a [wet] paper-bag really, but remembers the fight scenes on the really old


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 03:54 AM

Some of the discussion on this thread and on the other threads that have been refered to here surprise me a little bit. I know mousethief has categorised himself as a 'white male' in his Mudcat profile.

But the accusations that he is a white supremacist or anything of the sort seem a little bizarre when you consider that he has stated in the forum that he is part American Indian. White supremacists don't do that, do they?

Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:48 AM

First of all GUEST - At least make up a fake nae when debating me - It's just so impersonal otherwise.

Beyond that - let me restate is I might.

There are people who will not allow any debate on certain subjects - these are the people I thought were having a problem with Mousethief. As far as I'm concerned there is no subject that cannot be talked about and Mousethief was right - the average American who sort of goes through life without really looking around and investigating things probably thinks that the Jews were the only ones who were exterminated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Peg
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:38 AM

This strikes me as self-indulgent...

oh, and Alex, YOU hjacked at least one thread to attack ME rather recently...so for you to accuse another of doing this to you seems hypocritical.

There, happy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Gary T
Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:18 AM

Oh, yeah, I forgot--Alex is ugly and his mother dresses him funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:54 PM

.....no......


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Troll
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:50 PM

Racism is defined as the belief that ones own race is superior and has the right to rule other races.
I've never seen Mousethief claim anything of the sort.
That said, he is a totally obnoxious and sorry excuse for an inhabitant of the Left Coast, never mind somewhere inhabited by ladies and gentlemen of refinment and sensibility. His purile and inane postings lead me to the inescapable conclusion that he doesn't have enough brains to keep his scalp inflated and that he- in all likelyhood-wears black socks with brown shoes if indeed he wears socks at all.
These are the best of his bad points. He has no good ones.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Gary T
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:32 PM

Ah, hell, I feel testy tonight. LEARN TO READ, folks.

"white by birth and not ashamed of it"
"Anybody who proudly proclaims he is white is obviously a racist."
"I take pride in your white pride."

There's quite a difference between not being ashamed of who you are and proud proclamations. Stating or insinuating that Alex is a racist takes an extraordinary degree of misinterpretation and failure to see the forest for the trees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:01 PM

Blackcatter,

You said, "I ended up sort of agreeing with you on the Yom Ha'shoah - mostly because it didn't seem that you were saying anything horrible - just not expressing yourself in a way that wouldn't enflame those for whom the issue was REALLY SERIOUS."

Let me try and understand what you're saying. Mousethief's statements about Yom Ha'shoah didn't "seem terrible" but he said them in a a way that would "enflame those for whom the issue was REALLY SERIOUS."

WOH!

I'm not Jewish, but the Nazi Genocide of the Jews is a really serious issue for me, as I would hope it would be for any decent human being.

Count me enflamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 09:01 PM

First of all: Like Kendall you pissed me off a while back too - but I forget why but I believe we sort of came to an agreement and I certainly don't hold grudges (they tickle my webbed fingers).

Part B: Somehow I ended up sort of agreeing with you on the Yom Ha'shoah - mostly because it didn't seem that you were saying anything horrible - just not expressing yourself in a way that wouldn't enflame those for whom the issue was REALLY SERIOUS.

Section iii: ummm . . .

Area 54: Mollificent - happy birthday! It is my birthday as well!

Rule # 6 - There is naaaaaahhh Rule # 6

Lucky 7, Lucky 7! - Mousethief: To stay on topic - I shall fart in your general direction!

(this probably all has something to do with a Blackcatter and a Mousethief having something in common - though I have to admit after my trip to Peru I have a fondness for Guinea Pigs . . .)

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Hawker
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 08:00 PM

Do you really steal mice though? - must be a Cat burglar as well as all those nice things people have said about you!
Why worry, God knows the truth, Let him (or her!) be the judge
Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: kendall
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 07:58 PM

I dont attack anyone. I'm more of a counter puncher. Seems like you pissed me off a while back, but, I dont recall how? Was it you who accused me of shacking up with Harpgirl? Someone did...


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 07:38 PM

Ohhhhhh BOY!!!

Mousethief!!! You are a vile, unprincipled, seditious son of a sea cook with the face of a pig and the sensibilities of a Sicilian pimp! You are as depraved as a botany bay moneylender. The sun won't shine where you walk, nor will the lilies grow there. Your statements are unconscionable, your attributes puerile, and your taste in dinnerware is absymal. Sorry, I meant abysmal. Absymality is actually beyond one of your limited IQ. Did I mention that your haircut really sucks? Oh, and then there's your taste in clothing...I must remind you that ties with flourescent Elvises on them are no longer in style, not even in Seattle.

However, it is these very qualities that help to make you one of my favourite comrades on Mudcat...keep up the good work I say! :-)

- LH

p.s. Anyone can be held up as a racist, an anti-semite, or any other handy label like that...if you very carefully comb through every word he or she has ever written or uttered...and quote it out of context. This, by the way, is how the Nazis, other racists, and genocidal maniacs like the conquistadors used the Bible to justify their own depredations on humanity. They simply picked out a handy few words or passages, out of context, and away they went. Any asshole with a chip on his shoulder can do it to anyone else he chooses with the greatest of ease.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: John Hardly
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 06:07 PM

...here's the concept.

This is actually a NON-POST.

I am ignoring you as I would anyone who really pissed me off as you so often do...

...just wanted you to know I was ignoring you.

JH


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:22 PM

My only comment is that I think it is pretty sad that someone needs flames so badly he has to start a thread to flame himself. What a total waste of Max's bandwidth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:17 PM

or should that be kkkrawl ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:01 PM

Pretty good, Kenny. Now, krawl back under yer rock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST,Kenneth Keith Kelly
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 03:50 PM

Mousethief,

Not all Guests are out to attack you.

As far as I'm concerned, you're one of the few Mudcat members who dares to speak the truth.

I take pride in your white pride.

Your friend,

Kenneth Keith Kelly


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 02:55 PM

You're an asshole.....a complete jagov with masochistic tendencies. You have elements of all deviations currently listed in the psychobabble texts and probably drink milk too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:47 PM

Can I see your website first? Oh wrong thread !


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:11 PM

Good job it wasn't Peter!

Acts 5 (NIV)
9. Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."
10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: annamill
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM

Hmmmm... let me think... sometimes he's grouchy, sometimes opinionated, sometime really wrong, sometimes obnoxious, but on the other hand, sometimes he's funny, sometimes he's warm, sometimes he's right on...

..all in all.. he's not much different them most of us (except me..I'm always good, kind, right, funny) and I have grown fond of him.

Sorry, mouse, that's about all I can scratch up for ya.

Love, annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST,,#2
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM

Anybody who proudly proclaims he is white is obviously a racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Gervase
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:49 PM

Bloody hell, a thread dedicated to self-abuse.
Stop it at once, Alex - you'll go blind or vote Conservative!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Amergin
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:48 PM

Just watch it, Molly, next thing you know you'll be at the ancient age of 30...Damn, you're getting old....

Well, here's a big Happy Birthday To You


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:47 PM

No thanks if you don't mind. I don't feel the need to attack Alex or anybody else on this forum for that matter.

Respectfully

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:46 PM

Mouse - if you really want to piss people off, revive the "Killing The Thread" thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:42 PM

Alex ... if I had a problem with you ... I would follow proper procedure and send you a PM.
LL whohaslearnedherlesson *BG*


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:41 PM

Oops ! Thread name should have read Mudcat Site-Free Tavern (Next!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:39 PM

Mollificent... happy bday ! Come to the Mudcat Shite-Free Tavern and drink/chew your age in Turkey Turd Beer. There's oodles left... and it's not going fast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: harpmolly
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:21 PM

Thou haughty, horn-mad hedge-pig!

(Just shamelessly stealing Amergin's idea. Hey, I'm allowed, it's my birthday! :D)

For what it's worth, Alex, I've enjoyed most of our exchanges and what I've read from you. We haven't agreed in every single circumstance, but I'm not looking for universal accord--just tolerance. :) The Mudcat Cafe would be a very different (read: less exciting ;)) place without you.

Toodles,

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: mousethief
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:05 PM

I knew I could count on you, Amergin!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Amergin
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:03 PM

Well, highly considerate of you, Alex, to make an attack thread for us.....here you go just so you don't feel disappointed: You infectious flap-mouthed codpiece!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:01 PM

Well your sanctimonious attitude towards gays is a bit hard to take. But from some of your other posts, I think you might be a good man fallen among christians (to paraphrase Lenin on Shaw). Not worth a thread of abuse all to yourself, I wouldn't have thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:58 AM

Here is where the "Jew" statement was made.....

Subject: RE: Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day) From: mousethief Date: 19-Apr-01 - 06:45 PM

the Jews do, and nobody else

I remember them, and I'm no Jew.

Or are you saying this proves I'm a Jew? Strange logic.

Alex

Well, guest, I'd say you took that statement out of context. Pretty sleazy as far as I'm concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: sledge
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:49 AM

I have grown to expect humour, good grace and a sense of community from the mudcat dsicussion forum, where the hell this sort of thing fits in I really don't know.

Sledge (somewhat saddened)


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:47 AM

Why bother? Too easy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: MMario
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:39 AM

I'm a Christian and I have more then once told someone to "drop dead". I've meant it many of those times as well. Sometimes it has been an honest and heartfelt prayer. But none of those times have made me a liar - merely less then perfect in my goal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attack Mousethief Here
From: First Amendment
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:35 AM

Granted, Alex Riggle is a racist, an anti-Semite, a liar, and much else.

However, it my duty to protect Alex Riggle's right to be a a racist, an anti-Semite and a liar.


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