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Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle

jst_clair@sprynet.com 26 Nov 97 - 02:18 PM
Bruce O. 26 Nov 97 - 03:43 PM
jst_clair@sprynet.com 26 Nov 97 - 05:53 PM
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Murray 27 Nov 97 - 03:37 AM
Jen 28 Nov 97 - 12:42 AM
Bruce O. 28 Nov 97 - 02:08 PM
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Murray 08 Dec 97 - 02:55 AM
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Subject: Roslyn Castle Lyrics
From: jst_clair@sprynet.com
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 02:18 PM

I am looking for the Lyrics of "Roslyn Castle", the older version, not the lyrics by Robert Burns. can anyone help? The song is originally about a battle with the Knights Templar. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 03:43 PM

The tune "The House of Glams or Rosline Castle" seems to first appear in McGibbon's 2nd collection of Scots tunes, 1746 (copy in Library of Congress). The song known as "Roslin Castle", commencing "'Twas in that season of the year", is said to be by Hewitt, and first appeared with the tune in Bremner's 2nd book of 30 Scots Songs, c 1757 (copy in Library of Congress). Both song and tune appeared frequently later, as, e.g., #8 in The Scots Musical Museum.

There's nothing in this song that could be related in any way to Templars.

The tune was said to be a favorite funeral march in USA, c 1795 - c 1825.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: jst_clair@sprynet.com
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 05:53 PM

The reason why I asked is because my ancestors used to own Roslin or Roslyn Castle. And I have the music of the song, which says it was originally about a Templar battle, when they lost Roslin castle to the witch-hunters. The only lyrics I've been able to find were in a collection of Robert Burns' work. can't remember the title offhand. Roslyn Chapel still exists on the Orkney Islands, but it is a ruin. Its a puzzling bit of family history.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: jst_clair@sprynet.com
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 05:54 PM

The reason why I asked is because my ancestors used to own Roslin or Roslyn Castle. And I have the music of the song, which says it was originally about a Templar battle, when they lost Roslin castle to the witch-hunters. The only lyrics I've been able to find were in a collection of Robert Burns' work. can't remember the title offhand. Roslyn Chapel still exists on the Orkney Islands, but it is a ruin. Its a puzzling bit of family history.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: jst_clair@sprynet.com
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 05:55 PM

And somehow, that posted twice. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 06:37 PM

Please tell us all you know. It may relate to earlier history than we have.

Burns has a song to the tune that is in James Dick's Songs of Robert Burns and in Kinsley's work on Burns.

The composition of the tune was credited to James Oswald in an obituary, but nowhere did he ever claim it, and the obit. claim is not credited now.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: jst_clair@sprynet.com
Date: 27 Nov 97 - 12:45 AM

That's about all I know right now without attempting to find the book that said that. I'd have to look; but I will. If it really is that old, then that would be about the time of the Crusades. The Knights Templar were around then, and disbanded as witches soon after the Crusades ended, I believe. The only lyrics I've ever found are the ones by Robert Burns; same slow, sad tune, but his is a love song. Can't remember the exact wording, but it only mentioned Roslin Castle once or twice. And his version isn't exactly easy to sing.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Murray
Date: 27 Nov 97 - 03:37 AM

There are two old songs to the tune (before Burns)--both are given with the music in the Scots Musical Museum (1787), and previously in David Herd's anthology, Ancient and Modern Scottish Songs, 1776. The second (anonymous) is a love song, and mentions the castle only once:

From Roslyn castle's echoing walls,

Resounds my shepherd's ardent calls,

My Colin bids me come away,

And love demands I should obey.

etc.--if you really want this I can always post it.

There may well have been much older words (pre-18th century I mean), but they appear to be lost.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 28 Nov 97 - 12:42 AM

Yes, Murray, I've seen both. I have the Scots Musical Museum books, I believe. So, does anyone have any ideas where I can find lyrics to a song this old?

Jen


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Bruce O.
Date: 28 Nov 97 - 02:08 PM

The dissolution of the Knights Templar got into full swing on Oct. 13, 1307 with the arrest of the leader, Jaques de Molay and sixty of his followers, in Paris. de Molay and others were burnt on Mar. 14, 1314, after recanting their previous confessions. In England the Templars were arrested on Jan 10, 1308. I have a quite recent book that argues that survivors resurfaced in a different guise as the Freemasons in Scotland. There are many works dealing with the dissolution of the Templars, however, and many variant interpretations of the facts. See Templars in Encyclopedia Britannica for more particulars of the facts.

In any case there are rather few songs of the early 14th century known on any subject, in England and Scotland at any rate, and I have seen none relating to Templars.

P.S. jst_clair. Any suggestion of what 'The House of Glams" refers to?


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 28 Nov 97 - 09:16 PM

Wasn't there a "House of Glamis"? (Or was that in Macbeth?) Perhaps it is a misspelling of that. I'm not sure.

The date of the arrest is interesting. Its the day before my birthday. Wow.

Jen


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 30 Nov 97 - 01:07 PM

The Templars were disbanded for heresy, and for the more practical reason that kings wanted their wealth. The Inner and Middle Temple in London are now possessed by the Law Societies of those names, having at first leased the properties and then purchased them. The Templars' round church is still there and used by the lawyers although it had to be rebuilt after WWII. (Oliver Goldsmith is buried outside of it.) There was also an Outer Temple at one time but the lawyers never got their hands on it, and that area no longer goes by that name.

I don't believe that I ever heard of the Templars fighting a battle in the British Isles or Ireland. They fought the Saracens in the Holy Land, and at one point had managed to convert the mosque which still stands on Temple Mount into a church.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From:
Date: 05 Dec 97 - 10:26 AM

Well as Eco says you can tell someone's a lunatice because sooner or later they bring up the subject of the Templars.

I do not know of this song but I have some information that might help. I am unaware of a Roslin Castle in Orkney but there is a Roslyn Castle in Roslyn just outside Penicuik about ten miles South of Edinburgh. There is also a nearby Chapel, still intack, which is of much more interest than the castle ruins.

I believe that this is the castle of your song. Both the castle and the chapel belong to the Sinclair family and have done since the mid 15 Century. There wasn't a Templar battle and the property has never left the posession of the Sinclairs. However, the castle was sacked and ruined by Cromwells New Model Army although the chapel was spared possibly because of the blatant masonic imagary carved within.

The chapel itself displays the most exquisite stone carving. It really needs to be seen to be appreciated. There are Templar grave stones inside and there are many Templar connections.

The song you are looking for may be about the sacking of the castle by Cromwell and may have some Templar allegory within. Alternatively it may be about the disbanding and persecution of the Templars as Heretics in the early 14 Century.

I suggest you contact the existing owners of the chapel who may be able to help (I don't have the exact address but I'm sure I've given you enough to go on). I'd be interested in what you find.

Good hunting

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
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Date: 05 Dec 97 - 10:31 AM

Oh, bye the way, the reference to the witch hunters is almost certainly a reference to Cromwells New Model Army.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Murray
Date: 08 Dec 97 - 02:55 AM

Glamis [pronounced "Glams"] is in Angus (eastern Scotland) about 15 miles maybe north of Dundee. It was in Glamis Castle that Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, was born. And it is mentioned in Macbeth.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 08 Dec 97 - 08:07 PM

For anyone missing a connection in Sandy's note, Sinclair = St. Clair, the name of the person who started this thread. I'm curious, Mr. or Ms. J. St. Clair--who published the music you have, and when? That might help the people who know this kind of history (not me, unfortunately) evaluate the claim about the Templars.

As for coincidental birthdays--as Sandy implied, don't even go there!


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 08 Dec 97 - 10:36 PM

Its Jennifer St. Clair, and yes, we've traced our lineage back to the Sinclairs of Scotland. They are actually the same name; used indiscriminately. So the song has family history attached to it also. The first time I saw the song was in a collection of Robert Burns' songs.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Susan of DT
Date: 10 Dec 97 - 05:10 PM

Jennifer - You may wish to read the Adept series by Katherine Kurtz. The main protagonist (a psychic) is an Adam Sinclair who owns some ruins with Templar associations. Rosslyn Castle comes into one of the books.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Nonie Rider
Date: 10 Dec 97 - 05:34 PM

Or then again, you may want NOT to read them. I liked Kurtz's LAMMAS NIGHT enough to struggle through several of the Adept books, but they were mostly a tedious travelogue of clothes, castles, titles, and high-style hotels, with occasional brief interludes of plot, and an occasional token commoner in the background.

Um--this is, after all, just my opinion. Sorry 'bout the book review; shall we return to our regularly scheduled music discussion?


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 10 Dec 97 - 09:22 PM

Actually, I've read all of them, and I wrote Katherine Kurtz a letter wanting to know why she chose Sinclair as the last name of her character. She gave me some interesting info on how they spelled last names in Scotland and other places.

They're great books! At least the first two were great, the others were okay.

Jennifer


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 10 Dec 97 - 11:43 PM

Sorry, Jen--it should have been obvious that you were female and what your first name was.

The source I was asking about was the one that said the song was about a Templar battle, since that seems to be the hardest part to understand.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Sandy
Date: 11 Dec 97 - 12:02 PM

The story of the song is pretty interesting. It seems elusive since no one seems to know or have heard of it other than Jen.

I keep meaning to check my Burns collections (he had some masonic connections) but I don't honestly expect to find anything - I'm sure I would be aware of it.

Roslyn Castle and the chapel are surrounded by mystery and anything that may help to unravel the threads of history is always welcome.

One thought though; is Jen pulling our legs?

Jen, you need to give more information. I'm not about to embark on a wild goose chase.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 11 Dec 97 - 10:06 PM

Nope, not pulling your legs, and maybe my info is wrong. Can't remember what book I originally saw it in saying there were other words to the song, but I certainly won't hold it against anyone if no one can find other lyrics. It could be that I read it wrong too, I have no idea, its been that long ago. But I thought since it has a family tie to me, why not see if I can find out anything about it?

Jen


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 11 Dec 97 - 10:09 PM

Anyway, I'm not expecting everyone to search, I just wanted to know if anyone knew anything about the song.

Jen


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Bruce O.
Date: 11 Dec 97 - 11:24 PM

In the 18th century Elizabeth St. Clair song MS (also called the Mansfield MS) there are two versions of a song relating to Bamborough Castle, but there is nothing relating to Rosline Castle. One text of one of the songs is "The Laidley Worm of Spindleston Heughs" which Child gave as an appendix to "Kemp Owyne", #34. There is nothing about Templars in the song however.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Jen
Date: 12 Dec 97 - 07:27 PM

Oh well, maybe my info was really wrong. Thanks for your help everyone.

Jen


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Ron
Date: 13 Dec 97 - 12:59 AM

Not necessarily music related but, THE TEMPLE AND THE LODGE, by Baigent and Leigh bring some of the discussion regarding Roslyn, Roslin, Templars, etc., into a sort of focus.


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Kenny B
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 08:01 PM

Adendum


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: shankmac
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 05:52 AM

Hi Jen
Try here. Rosslyn Chapel
It is a fascinating history. The ruins of the castle are close to the chapel.
Yours Mac


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: LadyJean
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 12:38 AM

In the play "The Contrast" by Royall Tyler, which was written shortly after the American Revolution, and is set in New York, Jenny, a lady's maid asks Jonathan, a Yankee rustic, if he knows Rosslyn Castle, so the song must have been fairly well known in the eighteenth century.
(The only seculary song Jonathan knows is "Yankee Doodle", though he claims that he only knows 114 verses.)


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 10:33 AM

The tune was indeed widely known. In America it was commonly used both as a funeral march (appearing in fife tutors and the like) and as a sacred song, from the period of the Revolution onward. Its association with Roslyn castle seems to go back only as far as the mid 18th century, when Richard Hewitt (a Cumberland man, though working in Scotland) wrote the song of that name. The castle was by then a romantic ruin. The tune had appeared some years earlier as The House of Glams, but its history prior to that, if it has one, is unknown.


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Subject: Lyr Add: Roslin Castle
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 10:44 AM

Found a couple sets of lyrics; part of the problem is that there are so many spellings.

ROSLIN CASTLE 176
Lyrics: Isaac Watts
Tune: Elisha West
Meter: L.M.D. (8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8)

Behold the Rose of Sharon here,
The lily which the valleys bear;
Behold the tree of life which gives
Refreshing fruits and healing leaves;
Beneath his cooling shade I sat
To shield me from the burning heat,
He saw me faint and o'er my head
The banner of his love he spread.

Amongst the thorns so lilies shine,
Amongst wild gourds, the noble vine;
So in my eyes my Saviour proves,
Amidst a thousand meaner loves;
With living bread and gen'rous wine,
He cheers this sinking heart of mine,
Of heav'nly fruit He spreads a feast,
To feed my eyes and please my taste.

(cached Google page)http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:wd2FCCagE3MJ:stoddardfamily.home.attbi.com/L/176.html+%22roslin+castle%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Lyrics and melody at Contemplator
Tab from Old Blind Dogs recording


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Subject: RE: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST,Train Guard
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 08:29 AM

The reference to 'witch hunters' almost certainly does not relate to either Cromwell or the New Model Army. It does describe the loonier of the prebyterians that Cromwell smashed at Dunbar.

Cromwell and his followers (if the latter did profess religious views) were largely independents, with a sprinkling of anabaptists. They were disgusted with the witch trials, and certainly put a stop to them in Scotland.

Cromwell was, by and large, a tolerant man, who hated religious fanatacism - "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think that you may be mistaken."


Regards,
Train Guard


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Subject: Lyr Add: ROSLINE CASTLE
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 01:11 PM

From A Selection of Favourite Catches, Glees, &c (Bath: Printed by R. Cruttwell, 1799), page 107:


GLEE, FOUR VOICES.
ROSLINE CASTLE. CORFE.

'Twas in that season of the year,
When all things gay and sweet appear,
When Colin with the morning ray
Arose, and sung his rural lay.
Of Nanny's charms the Shepherd sung,
The hills and dales with Nanny rung,
While Rosline Castle heard the swain,
And echo'd back the cheerful strain.

Awake, sweet Muse! the breathing Spring
With rapture warms; awake, and sing;
Awake, and join the vocal throng,
Who hail the morning with a song.
To Nanny raise the cheerful lay,
Oh! bid her haste and come away,
In sweetest smiles herself adorn,
And add new graces to the morn.

Oh! hark, my love, on ev'ry spray
Each feather'd warbler tunes his lay:
'Tis Beauty fires the ravish'd tongue,
And Love inspires the melting song.
Then let my raptur'd notes arise,
For Beauty darts from Nanny's eyes;
And Love my rising bosom warms,
And fills my soul with sweet alarms.

O come, my Love, thy Colin's lay,
With rapture calls, O come away;
Come, while the Muse this wreath shall twine
Around that modest brow of thine.
O hither haste, and with thee bring
That beauty, blooming like the spring;
Those graces, that divinely shine,
And charm this ravish'd breast of mine.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 01:27 PM

That was one of the sets of words I decided to spare the reader from in my "Embro, Embro" pages.

Did anyone ever figure out where Jen got that amazing farrago of total bollocks from?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 04:34 PM

Sorcha, it's been a long time, but thanks for the link to the tune at the Contemplator site. That is a great tune! My friends are gonna love it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Aug 11 - 08:19 PM

The Contemplator version is way too fast and horribly vulgar. This gets the feeling much better (though he changes the tune a bit):

Danny Chapman, concertina

I play it quite often - solo on the recorder in E minor, then slam straight into a high-speed reel in D (Bottom of the Punchbowl) that everybody else joins in with.

It seems like you always prefer to have MIDI versions of tunes, no matter how much better the ABC or live recording alternatives are. I don't get it.

I have a couple of versions of the tune and a much better set of words linked from here:

music of Edinburgh clubs

Here are direct links to my MIDIs (maybe also too fast):
Oswald MIDI
Clark MIDI

Both were generated from ABC, and most people would find the ABC more useful.

A lot of people in Scotland now play it in C minor because Alasdair Fraser does it that way. I've no idea where he got the idea, all the 18th century versions are in E minor and primarily meant for the flute. C minor is doable on an F alto recorder as well as the fiddle.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 10:21 AM

"It seems like you always prefer to have MIDI versions of tunes, no matter how much better the ABC or live recording alternatives are. I don't get it."

I'm a musician. I play music far more than I listen to it passively. Given a MIDI file, I can download it and modify it to suit me and my friends. Simple.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 10:45 AM

But you can modify an ABC version of a tune far more easily (anything that can edit text will do it) and do more with it - including turn it into a MIDI. (Translation from ABC to MIDI works much better than the other way round).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:22 AM

Nobody I play with knows abc, including me. I've been dealing with sticks & dots for many years and don't need to develop a whole new set of reflexes. I'd rather spend the time on pleasure, vain pleasure.

Now. Why does Jim Dixon's post say "ROSLINE CASTLE. CORFE." I thought Corfe was an island in the Mediterranean.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:52 AM

Corfe Castle is in Dorset, south-west England. No idea what the association is - those appalling words are by Richard Hewitt, who was Scottish. The sheet is for a glee club in Bath, which is not far from Dorset. I think we'd need to see the original page image to work it out. Do you have that, Jim?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:27 AM

Herewith the words of the Burns poem "The Gloomy Night is Gathering Fast" which has been set to "Roslin Castle" quite challenging to sing because of the range: I have sung it in G minor, but would also play it on E minor (tho' some friends do it on D minor on fiddle).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:32 AM

And NOW for the words!! A truly miserable, even slightly spooky, song - enjoy/wallow!
I believe it was one of Burns' last poems, written when he realised that his health was failing, and days might be numbered.
"I had taken," says Burns, "the last farewell of my friends, my chest
was on the road to Greenock, and I had composed the last song I should
ever measure in Caledonia--"

The Gloomy Night Is Gathering Fast

1.
The gloomy night is gath'ring fast,
Loud roars the wild inconstant blast;
Yon murky cloud is filled with rain,
I see it driving o'er the plain;
The hunter now has left the moor,
The scatt'red coveys meet secure;
While here I wander, prest with care,
Along the lonely banks of Ayr.
2.
The Autumn mourns her rip'ning corn
By early Winter's ravage torn;
Across her placid, azure sky,
She sees the scowling tempest fly;
Chill runs my blood to hear it rave:
I think upon the stormy wave,
Where many a danger I must dare,
Far from the bonie banks of Ayr.
3.
'Tis not the surging billows' roar,
'Tis not that fatal, deadly shore;
Tho' death in ev'ry shape appear,
The wretched have no more to fear:
But round my heart the ties are bound,
That heart transpierc'd with many a wound;
These bleed afresh, those ties I tear,
To leave the bonie banks of Ayr.
4.
Farewell, old Coila's hills and dales,
Her healthy moors and winding vales;
The scenes where wretched Fancy roves,
Pursuing past unhappy loves!
Farewell my friends! farewell my foes!
My peace with these, my love with those --
The bursting tears my heart declare,
Farewell, my bonie banks of Ayr.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 11:12 AM

Jack. From looking at the link Jim gave and the other items on it I'd guess Corfe is the composer's name (music that is as you've identified the words).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 11:47 AM

Digging further there is a Joseph Corfe of Winchester 1740-1820 a composer of anthems, glees and songs.

Jim's book is dated 1799 so probably that's the chap.

Doesn't improve the words though!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 02:31 PM

Oh sure. The island is Corfu, not Corfe.

One of the advantages of getting tunes from the Internet is that I can download them and leave the words behind when I don't like them. That is the case here.

I believe I'll go look for a picture of Corfe castle.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 02:36 PM

The tune was first published in the 1730s, so Corfe wasn't the composer, but he might well have been the arranger of the glee setting.

Which I'd like to see. Jim?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: GUEST,Jim Dixon, at the Webster, WI library
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 04:09 PM

If you click the link right above the lyrics, you should see the image I transcribed from. At least the image works for me. I know by experience, though, that Google sometimes blocks some images depending on what country you're in, supposedly because they need to make allowances for different copyright laws in different countries. But I think they screw up sometimes, too, and block things unnecessarily.

In this case, the book has words only, no musical notation.

Looking at other glees, I see that there is usually a person's name, sometimes two people's names, right after the title, but it's always on a separate line. I don't know why it's on the same line in this case.


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The Gloomy Night Is Gathering Fast
From: maeve
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 11:14 PM

I can't find anything that seems to fit the original request for lyrics to this tune. Here is one further note about the tune, found here http://www.footstompin.com/public/article/printable-sheet-music/harp-sheet-music

Roslin Castle

"A beautiful slow 2 part air, previously wrongly attributed to James Oswald. Although it appears in his collection (1740), he did not write it. It had appeared in a previous collection by William McGibbon as 'The House of Glams' and acquired the title Roslin Castle when Richard Hewitt wrote words to it around 1750. Robert Burns also wrote his poem 'The Gloomy Night is gatherin fast' to the tune in 1786."
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I see that the DT still lacks Burn's' lyrics; supplied earlier in this thread by Tattie Bogle:

"The Gloomy Night Is Gathering Fast" by Robert Burns, set to the tune "Roslyn Castle"

1.
The gloomy night is gath'ring fast,
Loud roars the wild inconstant blast;
Yon murky cloud is filled with rain,
I see it driving o'er the plain;
The hunter now has left the moor,
The scatt'red coveys meet secure;
While here I wander, prest with care,
Along the lonely banks of Ayr.

2.
The Autumn mourns her rip'ning corn
By early Winter's ravage torn;
Across her placid, azure sky,
She sees the scowling tempest fly;
Chill runs my blood to hear it rave:
I think upon the stormy wave,
Where many a danger I must dare,
Far from the bonie banks of Ayr.

3.
'Tis not the surging billows' roar,
'Tis not that fatal, deadly shore;
Tho' death in ev'ry shape appear,
The wretched have no more to fear:
But round my heart the ties are bound,
That heart transpierc'd with many a wound;
These bleed afresh, those ties I tear,
To leave the bonie banks of Ayr.

4.
Farewell, old Coila's hills and dales,
Her healthy moors and winding vales;
The scenes where wretched Fancy roves,
Pursuing past unhappy loves!
Farewell my friends! farewell my foes!
My peace with these, my love with those --
The bursting tears my heart declare,
Farewell, my bonie banks of Ayr.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 04:52 AM

Corrina Hewat (who wrote the text on Footstompin) is wrong about the title - it isn't due to Hewitt, Oswald used it first.

BTW there are several alternate spellings but the commonest are "Roslin" and "Rosslyn" - "Roslyn" much less so.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Roslyn Castle
From: maeve
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 07:12 AM

I'm still working on this one, so thanks, Jack.


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