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Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man

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GUEST,Shona 29 Apr 01 - 01:42 PM
Hillheader 29 Apr 01 - 03:55 PM
Susanne (skw) 29 Apr 01 - 09:05 PM
Malcolm Douglas 29 Apr 01 - 10:56 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 30 Apr 01 - 01:37 AM
Hillheader 01 May 01 - 02:43 PM
Susanne (skw) 01 May 01 - 06:41 PM
GUEST,Scott 05 May 12 - 12:16 PM
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Subject: Gaberlunzie man
From: GUEST,Shona
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 01:42 PM

I was wondering if anyone had the words (or knew where i could get them) of Gaberlunzie Man? Isla St Clair sings it and i'd really like to get a hold of the words so i can sing it at some sessions. thanks! also, if you know of any festivals in the northeast of scotland that would be great! Shona P.S was anyone in the isle of man in april for the festival? if so, did you see the piper? Anton Di'vallia. he is the best piper (apart from gordon duncan!) i have ever heard!


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GABERLUNZIE MAN
From: Hillheader
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 03:55 PM

Try this Shona. I admit to copying in from a previous thread.

Click here for lyrics.

Duplicated lyrics replaced with a link. --JoeClone, 8-May-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 09:05 PM

Shona, you could also try searching the Digital Tradition for it. Just type the word Gaberlunzie into the blue box in the top right hand corner, and see what comes up. Among 8000 songs there should be a few versions of this song. If you'd like to learn more about finding things in the DT and the Forum, read the 'Mudcat FAQ - Newcomers Guide' which always comes up first in the thread list. It's very helpful, and I'm sure you'll enjoy browsing the Mudcat as much as we all do, and will be back often. See you!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 10:56 PM

This is one of those songs that can be found in a great many variant forms.  Francis Child (English and Scottish Popular Ballads) assigned to it his number #279, but allowed other, apparantly related, songs in at #280.  I haven't, so far as I can remember, heard Isla StClair's recording, so I don't know which of many traditional versions she used.  As a rule, I suggest that people try a search for themselves through the "Digitrad and Forum Search" facility on the main Forum page before starting a new thread, but in this case you'd have found that quite difficult to do, as the song is more usually known by other titles.  Here is a list of links which you may find useful:

In the DT (Digital Tradition database):

THE BEGGAR LADDIE  From Folk Songs and Ballads of Scotland, MacColl, with tune.  Wrongly labelled Child #200
THE BEGGAR MAN (2)  As recorded by by Cilla Fisher and Artie Tresize; no original source named or tune given.
THE BEGGAR MAN (4)  Collation, with tune,made from several different traditional and printed versions.  (Stephen Sedley, The Seeds of Love, 1967).
THE JOLLY BEGGAR   Described as "from Sedley, Seeds of Love", the text is nothing of the kind, and appears to be an incomplete transcription from a Planxty record.  Certainly it's the tune they used, which does come from Sedley, and is a Scottish one described by Sedley as "the best known of the Scots melodies", though unfortunately he didn't say where he got it.
THE BEGGARMAN (3)  As recorded by Richard Dyer Bennet, no source named: with tune.
THE BEGGARMAN (6)  No source named or tune given.

In the Forum:

The Gabalundi(?) Man  The text that "davebhoy" has copied-and-pasted comes from this thread.  It was taken from Ewan MacColl's book Folk Songs & Ballads of Scotland.
Beggarman  A discussion of no importance except for this comment from Bruce Olson.
The Jolly Beggerman  Includes 3 texts; (1) quote from a set recorded by Ewan MacColl, (2) transcription from that Planxty record, (3) unattributed "Scottish version".

Entries at the  Traditional Ballad Index:

The Gaberlunzie Man, [Child 279A]
The Jolly Beggar, [Child 279]

See also:

The Beggar-Laddie, [Child 280]

At  
Lesley Nelson's   site:

The Gaberlunzie Man with tune; this is the set printed as an appendix to #279 by Child, quoted from (ulimately) Ramsay's Tea-Table Miscellany of 1724.
Child texts  The two texts given by Child, plus the expurgated The Pollittick Begger-Man
Hi for the Beggar Man With tune; no source given.

At Bruce Olson's site;  Roots of Folk: Old English, Scots, and Irish Songs and Tunes:

The Pollitick Begger-Man. (unexpurgated version)

At the  
Bodleian Library Broadside Collection:

The beggar man Printer and date unknown
The jolly beggar Printer and date unknown
The jolly beggar Printed between 1774 and 1825 by Angus of Newcastle.

There are a number of other versions available in print and on record, even more if you count "covers" of traditional sets recorded by Revival singers.  The big question is, are any of these close to what you were looking for?

A wee plea of my own, now, aimed at everybody; please, when answering a request for song lyrics, DON'T COPY LYRICS FROM OTHER THREADS.  Threads are not deleted here, and remain in the permanent archive; this means that, the next time someone asks about this song, there will be another duplicated set of lyrics which will have to be checked.  It just makes everybody's life a little more difficult than it needs to be.  The best thing you can do is put in a link to the lyrics you've found, or, if you don't know how to do that, just copy-and-paste the URL.  Davebhoy lost the original formatting when pasting, of course; have a look at the FAQ at the top of the Threads list on the main Forum page for useful information on how to post lyrics so that doesn't happen.

I don't for a moment want to discourage anyone from helping out, but I do want them to do it in the most helpful way possible; one that doesn't make it harder for other people to help later on.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 30 Apr 01 - 01:37 AM

'Gaberlunzie' is a corruption of 'ghiberlaun', Scots Gaelic for 'beggar'. The Irish used to have it, but since almost all Irish beggars were lame they just use 'bacah' = lame = beggar, now. [See tune "Maureen na ghiberlaun" on my website. We've been through this on an old thread, but I don't remember what it was called.

Child put the ballad in an appendix to #279, so it isn't a Child ballad (i.e., not "The Jolly Begar"). A. Ramsay printed it without music in 'Tea Table Miscallany', 1724, and W. Thomson gave it with music in 'Orpheus Caledonius', 1725 and 1733. It also appeared with music in John Walsh's 'The British Musical Miscellany', I, p. 50, 1734, with the note (apparently first found there) that 'tune by James V of Scotland'. In 'The Scots Musical Museum' it's song #226 (vol. 3). John Glen, 'Early Scottish Melodies', p. 134, was of the opinion that the tune was no older than the beginning of the 18th century.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: Hillheader
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:43 PM

My apologies.

I wanted to post the link to the previous thread but did not know how. I should have looked shouldn't I?

Again apologies

Davebhoy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 01 May 01 - 06:41 PM

davebhoy, I couldn't work out how to do 'blue clicky things' for a long time. Then Joe Offer showed me how, and I just copied his line into a separate file and cut and paste whenever I need to do one. It wouldn't work here (html), but I'll send you a PM.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gaberlunzie man
From: GUEST,Scott
Date: 05 May 12 - 12:16 PM

Does anyone the Gaberlunzie version of this song?...Starts thus: "the Gaberlunzie came o'er the hill....". ...?


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