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Subject: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: GUEST,grannyjan Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:14 PM My grand daughter, Leah, is 2 and has learnt a new song at playgroup. Unfortunately, all she remembers is 'wind the bobbin, pull,pull,pull,' with accompanying actions. She is driving us mad, asking us to sing this song. I vaguely recognise it, but only the chorus. Has anybody any ideas? Unfortunately, I am not well enough to go to the library or I would be into the Opie's Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:24 PM If nobody gets it before then, and you can wait until tonight, I can look for it in my copy of Songs and Games of American Children. Alex |
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Subject: Lyr Add: Wind the Bobbin ^^ From: Sorcha Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:25 PM Is this it?
Wind the Bobbin up
Wind it back again, wind it back again. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin ^^ From: IanC Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:26 PM This is about all of it. My wife used to sing it as "Wind the threads". WIND THE BOBBIN
Wind, wind, wind the bobbin (2x) Heel & toe & tap, tap, tap (4x)
Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:28 PM Tune??? |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: grannyjan Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:33 PM Thank you for the answers. I'll try them on Leah tomorrow. No chance of a tune between a two year old and a tone deaf granny! |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: black walnut Date: 30 Apr 01 - 12:58 PM Kathy Reid-Naiman has recorded this and lots of other wonderful children's songs and rhymes. Excellent tapes/CD's produced by Ken Whitley. Tickles and Tunes, More Tickles and Tunes, Say Hello to the Morning ~black walnut |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Noreen Date: 30 Apr 01 - 01:13 PM It's a very simple tune, obviously, and the same as a French children's song , but can't think of the name of that, not that it would necessarily help. I could scan it in from The Singing Game by Iona and Peter Opie, but it's such a little scrap... I'll try something: so, la, so-me-doh- (repeat) Is that any good, Allison? Noreen |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: black walnut Date: 30 Apr 01 - 01:27 PM s..lsmd. s..lsmd. f...m...r.r.d... s..lsmd. s..lsmd. f...m...r.r.d... d.dms.s.l.lls... d.dms.s.f.fmr... d.dms.s.l.lls... f.f.m.m.r.r.d... An attempt at simplifying the solfa-thing. Does it work, Noreen? Every syllable or dot is an eighth note in this case. ~black walnut |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Noreen Date: 30 Apr 01 - 02:03 PM Works for me, bw, thank you. I'm sure we'll be accused of re-inventing the wheel here! |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: black walnut Date: 30 Apr 01 - 02:42 PM I am aware of my shortcut's shortcomings. But it works for some things, as long as the code is understood... I'm happy to reinvent insofar as I'm not spinning my wheels! ~b.w. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: MMario Date: 30 Apr 01 - 02:50 PM THANKS! (I don't care how you post 'em if they get here!) BW ? one question first line is 6 syllables five notes? okay - two questions....which set of lyrics above fits the tune you posted ? |
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Subject: ADD Tune: Wind the Bobbin ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM The words in The Singing Game are just a bit different, and don't seem to scan the same as some of the lyrics posted above. WIND THE BOBBIN Wind the bob-bin up, Wind the bob-bin up, Pull, pull Tug, tug, tug Players wind their fists round each other, first one way, then the other. At "Pull, pull," they thrust their fists away from each other, and at "Tug, tug, tug," they pull their elbows back. Although now a playground game it seems now to have been a nursery game, in fact one informant said she had known it so long she oculd not remember where she had learnt it: "I think me auntie and me Mum taught me." (Opie: "The Singing Game") I sent the tune to Mudcat MIDIs -Joe Offer-
MIDI file: WINDBOB.MID Timebase: 192 Name: Wind the Bobbin This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1 ^^ |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: MMario Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:19 PM phhhhhfffffffffffftttttttttt!!!! |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:28 PM "phhhhhfffffffffffftttttttttt!!!!" Can you do a MIDI of that tune, MMario? [grin] -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Noreen Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:41 PM Joe, that's basically the same as Sorcha's. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Mrs.Duck Date: 30 Apr 01 - 05:25 PM I do Sorcha's version which fits to black walnut's notation. Did it twice today! |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: black walnut Date: 30 Apr 01 - 06:22 PM MMario: I was using the words, "Wind the bobbin up, wind the bobbin up, pull, pull, tap, tap, tap".
Wind . . the bobbin up . is 4 quarter note beats of music. Each syllable and each dot equals an eighth note. Truth be told, you hold the word "Wind" through the dots; it's not a great shorthand, just a fast and easy one to help jog the memory. It won't indicate holds, dotted rhythms, or tunes that span greater than one octave. But, it was worth a try for this simple tune... ~b.w.
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: black walnut Date: 30 Apr 01 - 06:24 PM P.S. That's cool, Mrs. Duck! ~b.w. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Snuffy Date: 30 Apr 01 - 07:30 PM We did this at primary school in the late 50s. It was a one-room school with about a dozen pupils aged 5-11. And we had one old 78 to play on a wind-up gramophone with just the tune, no words. We did the same actions as above for lines 1,2, & 4, but I can't remember what we did for line 3. I think the other side was called "I've Lost My Stocking In The Brook", which involved nodding at the end of each line. Here's the Bobbin tune as I remember it from 40+ years ago.
MIDI file: WINDBOBB.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 120 (500000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Apr 01 - 07:32 PM I think we have the same tune - but I don't know how to make it fit Ian's version. Walnut, are there words that have more than one note? I interpreted it as one word, one note. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: sophocleese Date: 01 May 01 - 08:13 AM My kids learned it as:
Wind the bobbin and My sound card still is working and I'm too sleepy yet to read the notation but its likely that you've got the same tune. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: ermintrudeclaire Date: 07 May 01 - 04:31 PM i am a playgroup leader and we sing this each time to signify the end of our song time as wind the bobbin up, wind the bobbin up, pull, pull, clap clap clap point to the ceiling, point to the floor point to the window, point to the door put your hands together 1,2,3 put your hands upon your knee. sometimes we also sing the second verse wind it back again, wind it back again pull, pull etc. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Mrs.Duck Date: 07 May 01 - 05:23 PM snap |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: grannyjan Date: 08 May 01 - 05:38 AM Wow! What a magnificent response. Thank you all, Leah is now dancing around the garden singing and doing the actions , and her mum and I are free for a while. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Tuvya Date: 03 Oct 17 - 10:59 AM As far as I can tell this song grew from a dance, sometimes identified from Danish as Shoemaker Boy. It's centuries old, and may be classified as one of those occupational dances which I guess were around then according to Iona Opie. Wind Wind Sugar Baby is how it was sung to me over seventy years ago in New York, In the cradle. It was sung medium tempo. slower than the dance. minus the second part. I'd love to know more how and when the Danish migration brought this to english speaking shores. Apparently to bring clarity to this ostensibly cobbler's dance, the melody of "Bobbin up" dropped a note which "Sugar baby" retained. The gestures are mostly preserved in both. The Danes eventually stuck lyrics to the tune and as far as I can tell translate something like "first it's this-a-way then it's that-a-way..ugh ugh..." and then there's a clapping or tapping or both You can find youtube examples of much of this... none, naturally, are exactly the same... iI'd love to hear anyone's personal experiences with this wonderful old piece that still bobbing and winding and surviving. By the way I've taught it as a two part round, with the gestures... fun. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind ind sugar baby From: GUEST,tuvya Date: 15 Feb 19 - 06:43 PM I should add the melody, I assume the earliest, for dance purposes appears in a 1917 publication of international dances. In the 20s there's an RCA Victor orchestral rendition, pretty fast tempo I've heard A 1911 book of popular songs and play taught on Indian Reservations includes the recognizable gestures that accompany the piece. It has been printed up in several song anthologies since then sometimes as a song for infants to get their hands moving. I'd have to check my records if anyone's interested. In the US at one time in the early 20th century "sugar baby" replaced the odious "nigger baby" reference but how these lyrics got attached to the piece I have yet to learn. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Monique Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:16 AM We have a version in French, most probably directly from the English. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Tattie Bogle Date: 17 Feb 19 - 04:19 AM Just wondering if any other of our British members remember it from theirs or their children's childhood? I certainly don't. The first time I heard it was when I started taking my grandson to a pre-school singing circle about 5 years ago. So when did it "cross the pond"? (Or re-cross, if it came from Denmark?!) The version used is exactly as Sorcha's post on 30.04.01. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: Dave Sutherland Date: 17 Feb 19 - 08:07 AM I can remember learning a version at Junior School in South Shields around 1958 which went "Wind, wind, wind the thread x3, pull, pull, clap, clap, clap". Many years later (1984)when we had moved to Long Eaton and our daughter started Nursery School she came home with a version very similar to the one cited by the OP. Not sure whether our Granddaughter has one but I'll ask when I next see her. |
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Subject: RE: childrens song - wind the bobbin From: GUEST,shadywhere Date: 29 Aug 19 - 09:24 AM I learned it this way: Wind, wind, wind the bob-bin Wind, wind, wind the bob-bin Pull, pull, tap, tap, tap Wind, wind, wind the bob-bin Wind, wind, wind the bob-bin Pull, pull, tap, tap, tap See our work so nicely done? Now it's time to have some fun. See our work so nicely done? Now it's time to have some fun. |
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