BS: Shamefull threads

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:54 AM

So....let ME (gargoyle) get THIS straight....you..., You...., YOU...., are now the proud protector of the Mudcat threads???

Direct Quote - "So now when I have a concern about the Mudcat....NO, I do not want Mudcat censored. I've said so many times. "

Here little, Kitty, Kitty,

cum, cum, lick the nice, big, round ....

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:46 AM

OH....Kitty Kitty...

You do meow so!!!!

(Stepped back into "Your-World" - just in time - once more....)

Lord Nelson, Batman, McArthur, aka gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:39 AM

OK kat, I get it now. People come in here, see "shamefull thread titles" but only know the title is shamefull if they read the contents and perhaps even have some clairvoyant perception of the intentions of the poster?????

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:23 AM

Jon,

The last I will say on this:

The difference is obvious. Cranky Yankee started his thread under his real Mudcat name and stated his own Jewish background. The other thread was started by an anonymous idiot in a very poor attempt to be ironic.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:22 AM

Good thoughts here, in this thread. I saw "the Nonirritating threads" and never opened them. I supposed they'd quickly get to the ugly, even if they didn't start that way. I worked for a wonderful Jewish family when I lived in Boston. Good folks, good work ethic, good humor. They told some of the most wonderful "Abbie and Rebecca" jokes (Jewish ethnic humor). I enjoyed them immensely, but quickly found that retelling just didn't work for me. It was not my heritage, it was not my humor.

Sorry to see the same old set of ill-equipped Mudcat "adults" yet again creating havoc in those threads (which is what it sounds like happened). Some people just don't know how to behave.

I think Mick may have offered the best solution for those who feel that action is required; hijack their thread! Fill it up with nonesense, good thoughts ... anything not related to the ugliness being spewed ... or just let it die a death.

Kat - I appreiate your efforts and your sentiments. I too wonder when I recommend this site to others, "what will they think of some of the ugly stuff" ... but I recommend it anyway - occasionally with the warning that they might find some thoughts, let's say out of their range ... the real value of Mudcat lives on, though - thanks to Max and Joe and crew ... thanks to the music contributions of Mudcatters, and to the thread posts carefully contributed by you, Mick, Neil, McGrath, Fionn, LEJ - and so many many others.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:18 AM

Well, regardless of what you may or may not think of me, I never turn away an apology that is sincerely given.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:12 AM

Carol,

I am not sure what it is that you perceive that I think of you. But I will PM you and let you know so that we aren't having a disagreement here.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:10 AM

Then, Carol, please accept my complete and abject apology. I read it as though it was directed at my previous comment where I indicated that I hadn't read the threads because I knew where they would go. I apologize most sincerely.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:10 AM

...and it's nice that you've come out in the open about how you really feel about me.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 01 - 12:05 AM

Big Mick,

My last post was not directed at you. It was in response to some comments made by some other people who said they were just reading the names but not the contents of the posts.

Getting a little touchy here tonight, aren't we?

Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:52 PM

Kat,

A simple "I'm sorry I misunderstood" would have done nicely. I am not sure what is up, but whatever.........

Carol, ......... what can I say....... except that you certainly post on any damn thing you want whether the rest of us think you are qualified or not. That is your right, and I defend that. Kindly offer us the same courtesy. If you can't see your way clear to do that, then be advised that I don't care if you think I have the right to post or not. I have been a member of this community a very long time, and think that I pretty well understand what I can have an opinion on. But rest assured that if I am at a loss on this subject, I will check with you..........LOL.

And just to restate my position, 1) Cranky Yankee is a fine man. 2) If you start a thread taking a strong position, don't whine when others disagree. 3) Flamers love those of you who respond when they throw out their load of ripe shite. You validate them. See Psych 101. Pay particular attention to the bit about bullies..............it applies. 4) The Mudcat will survive the latest round, it is bigger than the horses arses that start this. 5) It is what it is..........leave it be.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:33 PM

kat, I'm even more confused. You seem to be saying that you were well aware of the first thread title, "NON-IRRITATING JEWISH JOKES", and what you posted in it indicating that you enjoyed the start of it and yet you object to a thread entitled "NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES". Apart from choice of ethinic group, where is the difference?

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:22 PM

Unfortunately, human beings are reknowned for making assumptions, with little or no information at all. And free speech means they can form and express opinions about anything based on next to nothing. That does not mean that those assumptions or opinions merit recognition or have value. They are no more than a f*rt in a windstorm.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:19 PM

Kat,

I'd like to thank you for starting this thread. A couple of days ago, when I raised my concern about the negative stereotyping in some the Jewish "jokes," I received several responses that have soured me somewhat on Mudcat.

I hope this is but a passing phase, if not I'll be on the next stage out of Dodge.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:10 PM

Mick, you said, I also am deeply offended by this crap that was started innocently enough, but had thought been given to it, it would have been obvious what it would causeand...because these people take these positions to get the reaction. I have not been in either of the two threads mentioned exactly because of the titles. I knew where they would go. Crank Yankee started one of those, so I thought he was one of the ones you referred to. Just seemed pretty obvious.

Anyway, it's going to be what it is without or without my caring, so I'll let it go.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:10 PM

I hope people aren't reading just the lists of names of those who posted to those threads without reading the posts, and then making assumptions about what those people were saying, and forming opinions on that basis. That's hardly fair.

I think only those who have read the contents of those threads are in a position to form opinions about them.

Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 01 - 11:02 PM

Kat, we have known each other a long time. I would have thought you would have known I wasn't talking about Cranky Yanky, but those that post looking for the response. I will assume that you are just suffering from hurt feelings and that is why you have jumped me. But the last comment in your post smacks of a persecution complex. You started the thread, and you have been here long enough to know what that means. Think about it, cause I don't see why you would snap at someone who agrees with you more than not. And who considers you a friend.

And if anyone were to modify anything that I ever say, I would leave without notice. Not a threat there, just a statement of principle.

As far as Cranky Yankee goes, he seems like a very nice man to me. I would love to get inside his head about square rigged ships.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 01 - 10:50 PM

I just love the way you turn a person's good intentions around, Fionn. You've really mastered that well. So now when I have a concern about the Mudcat, I should be sure NOT to start a thread and encourage us all to talk about it, eh?

NO, I do not want Mudcat censored. I've said so many times. I do think it would benefit from moderating and I do NOT think we would lose anything of much value by being very careful about it. We already do that, on rare ocassions, when there have been vicious personal attacks, BUT not always.

For the record, if you reread what I posted, I also said or at least change the titles. Nowhere have I ever said that we should absolutely have censorship. My concern was about first impressions.

It's too bad someone gets castigated for giving a flying fuck.

BTW, Big Mick, I do not consider CRANKY YANKEE/Jody Gibson to be a feckwit and I do NOT believe he had any intentions of starting that thread for the nefarious reasons you mention. His intentions were not hurtful, just perhaps not thought out well. His other contributions have been wonderful reads in the classic style of the heart of the Mudcat.

Sorry I gave a damn and sick of getting shit for it,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 01 May 01 - 10:28 PM

Kat, you may know what you said in another thread, but I didn't. So if Jon hadn't quoted it, your brass neck would have passed unnoticed by me.

Am I reading you right? You want Mudcat censored because one thread - ONE - strikes you as shameful out of all the hundreds, perhaps thousands, so far posted? Does that one errant thread really warrant your telling Max what's wrong with his gift? Must you really hide Mudcat from your friends because of it? Clinton Hammond went further and accused Max of cowardice. Certainly nothing cowardly about Clint's huffing and puffing at an anonymous guest, though I can't help finding such futile spluttering faintly risible.

You perhpas need to reflect, Kat, that most of the people posting in this thread would never have been tempted to open those other threads, if you hadn't given them the oxygen of publicity. I have even opened them myself, but only to skim (out of sheer curiosity) the lists of those who posted to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 01 May 01 - 09:59 PM

In my opinion, Mudcat is the best site available for music discussions. If we were limited to that, however, it would lose some of its charm. We need to communicate with each other for emotional reasons sometimes, as much as for informational reasons. Therein lies the problem. I don't think my weird sense of humor is offensive though perhaps others take offense at something I say. Unless I give up my right/priviledge/whichever to indulge my feelings, I have trouble advocating taking away the r/p/w of others. That's from the liberal side of my brain.

The other side says that, well, the BS threads are sort of beginning to lose charm just by their sheer quantity, and I seriously question whether there is such a thing as an "Inoffensive Ethnic-Group Joke." Seems to me that common sense would say no matter how that starts, you know how it's going to end. The other frustration with contentious posts is the almost absolute lack of rational argumentation; there's a whole lot of sloganizing, not too much factual info., and even less rational consideration of the opposite point of view.

I guess that makes it clear that only right-thinking people should post non-music threads. Now, all wrong-thinking people, please raise your right hands. I don't see you .....

CC

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: mmm
Date: 01 May 01 - 09:39 PM

I have been coming in here for awhile, the one thing I enjoy is the variety of topics. No I do not enjoy or approve of all the threads,but that is my choice as is all of ours. IMHO censorship has no place in a site like this , or any other place for that matter. mmm

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 01 May 01 - 09:20 PM

Big Mick, I don't think these two particular threads are about feckwits. I think they are about people trying to come to some kind of understanding about what kinds of behavior can translate from the 3D world into this kind of reality without causing unnecessary hurt.

I, personally, don't appreciate the sort of humor that is contained in those threads. Some people see it differently than me. But I think people are coming to some kind of consensus that maybe this isn't such a good place for that sort of thing. Regardless of their position about whether or not it is acceptable in the 3D world.

Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 01 - 08:57 PM

I object strenuously to anyone trying to define what this place means to everyone else, hence I would not want to see any form of censorship. I believe The Mudcat is one of the most popular sites of its type precisely because we can discuss anything that we want under the umbrella of the music and the issues/feelings/loves/hates/etc that spawn it. Allowing this has spawned some of the most amazing threads, full of depth and insight, that you will see anywhere on the Net. It has also given us some of the worst shite that you will find, but I believe the tradeoff to be fair.

I also am deeply offended by this crap that was started innocently enough, but had thought been given to it, it would have been obvious what it would cause. I still believe that the best solution is starvation of the threads, because these people take these positions to get the reaction. I have not been in either of the two threads mentioned exactly because of the titles. I knew where they would go. But I also knew what the feckwits know. And that is that you won't be able to stay out, hence they will get their feed. Why don't those of you that are so incensed by these things do to these scum what they do to you. Hijack the damn thread, load it up with nonsense, turn it into a love thread full of counters to the notions that these rummies want spread. Jump in and ignore them and take over their gig. If they can't get what they are after, they quit.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Skeptic
Date: 01 May 01 - 08:15 PM

Is hard to guess intent from a post: much easier to do it sitting around with friends where intent is more apparent. Something like 70% (the figure was from a training consultant so a little suspect) of the meaning of what soemone says is not in the words themselves but from non-verbal cues. (body langauge, tone, rhythm of speech, eye contact).

I think we should all keep Edmund Burke's advice in mind. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

The frowny face idea would probably be a fairly grown-up way for the community to signal displeasure.

Regards

John

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: CarolC
Date: 01 May 01 - 07:39 PM

Thanks, Dave the Gnome. I appreciate that.

Best wishes,

Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From:
Date: 01 May 01 - 07:17 PM

I disagree with those who just want to ignore posts that definitely cross a line of racism or whatever. It is tempting to think if you ignore stuff it will go away. That is based on animal behavior studies and is misinterpreted. The only behavior that extinguishes through ignoring it or non-reinforcement is behavior the animal/person wasn't all that interesting in anyway, like pushing a lever. If the puppy wants to chew shoes, ignoring it will not stop that behavior. If a person wants to really antangonize people and cause serious damage to a group and further the cause of racism or whatever, and no one protests, he or she will keep doing it and most likely escalate. So I am all for calling them on it and shaming them, using discretion and tolerance of course...some things can be safely ignored because they aren't too serious. Some can't. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 May 01 - 06:30 PM

CarolC - If your on this thread as well, I agree. I have stopped posting to the Jewish/Black jokes threads and will no longer do so. Let them rest in pieces. I don't particlarly think any thread is 'shameful' but I will not add to anything that may hurt someone else. The 'cat is a wonderful community and I will continue to love it dearly. Just because a few trolls try to bring it down to their level doesn't make it any the worse.

Anyone who sees the 'racist' threads that are being refered to and thinks that the offensive jokes are typical of Mudcat does not realise what a good commumity this is.

Love to all and stay with us. Is the correct term 'Nil carborndum illegitimide'???

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: paddymac
Date: 01 May 01 - 06:04 PM

Sometimes, it seems, we need a bit of the bad to really appreciate all the good that is mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 01 May 01 - 05:11 PM

I don't think censorship or not informing your friends of Mudcat is the answer. I didn't post to the Nonirritating threads so I can't comment on those. I can comment on the Mississippi Flag thread. People for the most part did state their beliefs in a concise and reasonable manner. I was personally maligned by a poster who didn't take the time to read what I had written and proceeded to shoot his or her mouth off. (I wasn't the only target) I apologize if my thoughts have been condtrued to be racist. That has never been my intent and I think most of you know that from my posts. Kat please recommend your friends in spite of the occassional off colour post. They don't represent the true spirit of Mudcat or of the Mudcatters I've met. I believe we can continue to make this a quality music site and I will recommend my friends on that basis. Kindest reguards, Neil

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: John Routledge
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:55 PM

I wholeheartedly recommend Mudcat to others with the comment that it is a forum open to all and people can be as anonymous as they wish - with all that this implies.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:46 PM

Kat was right to start this thread. There are those of us who want nothing to do with those other threads and still need to express our opinion of them.

I don't think it is necessary for Max or anyone else to control what is said here. We need to be reminded of the dark side of this human race. We need to remember that it is our own responsibility to exercise our own good judgement and keep our statements here rational and reasonable.

The "anonymity" of cyberspace allows some people to express what is actually in their heart. When you see those who post such drivel you are seeing something you won't see anywhere else. You are seeing that person's real thoughts and feelings.

Kind of depressing sometimes...

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Pseudolus
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:30 PM

I might be painting a bull's eye on my forehead with this but I think I disagree with almost all of you. Ya see, when I first came to the site and started posting it was threads like these that show a large majority of the community coming to the "rescue" of a catter, a group of catters, or the entire community!! Hell, we do a lot of kidding around here but it's in times of stress that the true colors show around here. I would recommend this site right here, right now. Let's hide nothing, especially our willingness to go after threads we think aren't appropriate. We're not perfect, we're a community.....

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:18 PM

Censorship just ain't the way. Neither is silence when one finds something offensive. I think what Kat has done a good thing here; she created a thread in which people can voice their disapproval of offensive titles, content and comments without keeping the offensive thread(s) alive. Let the evil threads die their well-deserved deaths, along with the non-productive ones, boring ones, self-serving ones, etc.

Max & Joe give us freedom here; in return we need to exercise good judgment. The fact that not everyone will do that is unfortunate.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Matt_R
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:15 PM

Nutty...and all this time I thought that was a Hobbit saying from The Shire! At least that's what Pippin said! Lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:12 PM

The suggestion above that when you recommend the Mudcat you give a link to a particular thread that is relevant to the person you are recommending it to instead of to the forum makes a lot of sense. Gives the newcomer a taste of the Mudcat when it tastes good.

But I think you'd need to be pretty jaundiced to think the Mudcat is full of racists just on the basis of those threads, which I hadn't even opened before reading this one. What comes across much more clearly is that racism is not welcome here.

Moderation yes, moderating no. There can be a point when free speech runs up against more important values, but we're a long way from that point and I hope always will be.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: nutty
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:09 PM

My puppy (8months old) torments my older dog(6 years) till he gets a reaction which is either a chase or a bite on the nose. However hard the old dog tries to ignore him he gets annoyed and reacts in the end.

This is what I'm seeing here - We all get told "ignore these threads and they'll go away" then people like you - the backbone of Mudcat - just can't resist stirring things up

In Yorkshire we say "THERE'S NOWT SO QUEER AS FOLK" (Queer - meaning odd or strange)and the more time I spend on this site the more prophetic those words become.

It really is a shame - cos you are all such lovely people.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 01 - 02:02 PM

Jon, it should have read singular, "thread", as when I started this one, I was thinking of the black joke thread. I am well aware of what I said on the Jewish thread.

LEJ, I know that Cranky Yankee didn't mean any harm when he started it and I know somebody thought they were being heavily ironical by posting the other thread. You put it better than I could have, though.

Personally, I wish Max would moderate and remove such titled threads, or at least change the titles. Those are the first thing a new person sees when they come to the forum. Those titles stand out because they are not the norm. I sure don't want any of my friends coming in here and seeing them. It may not be right to judge a book by its cover, but in the cyber world of fast clicks, one glance is all it takes to put people off.

katfeelingmoreandmorelikebbcanddave

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Amergin
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:33 PM

JP, I think there is something like that here....as max always seems to know who the flamers are.....

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:26 PM

The thread respectively post that has in my eyes been the most shameful in recent days has been a thread with a completely innocent title in which a poster has deliberately been referred to as 'it'.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Justa Picker
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:24 PM

I'm with Art.

A suggestion.
I'm on another forum as well, which takes IP addresses and encodes them (only the administrators have password access to decode them, revealing the IP) but the encoded IP is always consistent with that, of the poster and is always displayed beside their "name".

If the programming wizards here at Mudcat, could come up with similar technology perhaps on a trial basis, I think this would discourage flamers and trolls. My gut feeling is that those who are currently smearing cyber "graffiti" on the walls of this "house", ARE members. Be a piece of cake to match up the encoded IP of a GUEST with the corresponding encoded IP of the Member. It would save the Mudcat "profilers" a lot of time. And then like I've advocated in the past, one private warning to the individual(s) responsible, and if it persists, out them or simply deny them access to the Forum by blocking their IP.

Just a suggestion.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:21 PM

There's always lots of good stuff on Mudcat, and then there are a few things which may offend someone. Sounds pretty much like life in general to me.

I guess the best idea would be to concentrate on the good stuff.

Just like in regular life...except on the News Media, that is.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: RichM
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:21 PM

Once you enter a discussion, you validate it--not the premise, the discussion. If you don't approve, don't post! That's the quickest way to kill a thread....

If you really want to distress yourself, read some of the social newsgroups that discuss conflicts between Arab/Israeli, Indonesian/Timorese, North/South Ireland, India/Pakistan...the list is endless. Personally, I was more upset by the Mississippi state flag thread....

Rich McCarthy

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: TamthebamfraeScotland
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:18 PM

But arn't all joke in some way racist in some way, I mean there's a comdian called Frank Carson who's Irish and he was called a racist because he told Irsh jokes.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:17 PM

Katlaf, I think Cranky Yankee started his thread with good intentions, but the whole ethnic joke area makes me uncomfortable, unless the jokes are told by members of the ethnic group concerned. When a WASP guy tells another WASP guy a Jewish or Black or Hispanic joke over a beer, there's usually a hint of condescension and the us vs them mentality, even if the jokes are basically harmless. I believe that the Black joke thread was ironic on the part of the thread creator...he may be a Jew who found the other thread offensive and wanted to make a point.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Frug
Date: 01 May 01 - 01:11 PM

I've just read this thread for the first time and find myself in sympathy with the issues raised by Kat and others. I'm relatively new to Mudcat, only been around for a month or two and have enjoyed the dialogue that has been going on and have equally enjoyed being able to ask questions and get informed help and advice. I have also enjoyed some of the more humourous threads and have contributed where I felt able. Humour is important in all things but there has to be lines over which people people do not step, particularly in a public forum like this. As a result of reading Kats comments I opened the Current 'non-irritating' threads that are running and can admit to being horrified at some of the content which I regard as being out and out racist. I agree with Art and Clinton that someone up there should exercise control and keep the crap off the site. Its just unfortunate that there are those who will seek to propogate the brand of intolerance and ignorance and hatred on any potential platform and for that reason censorship is necessary to keep the Mudcat clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 May 01 - 12:56 PM

Not really...

I'm all in favour of offensive stuff... but I'm also aware that there's a time and a place for everything... if Mudcatters DON'T want this place full of smut and garbage, then they should make sure that there's a mod taking care of that stuff...

Hell, I can think of one or 2 threads of MINE that I'd delete to preserve the spirit of Mudcat...

But as that doesn't happen, I'm not likely to self-censor... In this place I don't have to!

Gust... get stuffed.. trying to throw my words back at me... have the balls to do it in your own name, or don't do it at all... fecking coward!

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 01 May 01 - 12:52 PM

Not that it will mean much in the grand scheme of things but I agree with bbc on this issue...Yours,Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 01 - 12:46 PM

Clinton Hammond: A little different from what you posted in one of those threads.

Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: ClintonHammond Date: 01-May-01 - 12:35 PM

"I've always said **** 'em if they can't take a joke, but this type of humour really should be kept in the circles of the small minded."

Isn't that what Mudcat is?? A haven for the small and close-minded???

So, some here find them offensive? So fecking what?!?!?! Ya don't like it, don't read it and DON'T POST TO IT!!

D'UH!!!!

I'm glad I live in a world where some things offend... it shows that we're still different in some respects... not all the fecking same white-bread-and-butter like the PC feckwits want us to be! Without differences, we cease to evolve...

So keep offending!

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 01 May 01 - 12:46 PM

Shameless thread titles kat? I can only see 2 at the moment that looked as if they could be trouble (and I chose to ignore) and the second one of those appears to be a reaction to the first. I note that in the first one of these threads, you say,

"I, too, was enjoying the beginnings of this thread, at least some of them, but became uncomfortable when the stereotypes were drug out."

which would give reasonable grounds to believe that this cannot possibly be one of the TITLES you are objecting to. This only leaves one thread which has a very similar title that I can find.

Please enlighten me.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Shamefull threads
From: Noreen
Date: 01 May 01 - 12:43 PM

this could do serious harm to this site.

I don't think so, while the vast majority of mudcatters are ignoring the nonsense (I didn't have a clue what shameful threads were being referred to when this thread was started because I hadn't opened them).

Attention seekers will alays try it on, while they get rewarded for being offensive.

Noreen