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Subject: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,Ingrid Date: 02 May 01 - 12:57 PM Hey, I am looking for some bawdy piratical type songs. Any suggestions? some of the shantys I have looked at are bawdy, but only talk sabout getting syphillis in port. Not the tone I am looking for. More just funny/slightly off songs with a distinct PIRATE theme. Doesn't have to be of any period. THANK YOU!!!! Ingrid |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: MMario Date: 02 May 01 - 01:05 PM Ingrid - try searching for @pirate in the digitrad search box (above right) you might also want to surf to the website of singing groups who perform in piratical character, such as Pyrates Royale; the Corsairs and others such ats The Jolly rogers to see what songs are on their set lists. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Wavestar Date: 02 May 01 - 01:29 PM Here's an old pirate songs thread - they aren't all bawdy, but there are some good ones. Sorry, I don't so blue clickies, yet. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?ThreadID=21014 -J |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Wavestar Date: 03 May 01 - 08:54 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia Date: 03 May 01 - 08:59 AM Ingrid, The best pirate song ever, Pirates - by Emerson Lake & Palmer. It's on their Works album, Vol. 1. I think if I listen to it one more time I'll give up sales & marketing and become a pirate. Rape, pillage & plunder has to be more attractive than budgets and bottom lines. JG / F.M.E. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Charley Noble Date: 03 May 01 - 09:21 AM John Gray – Could you please post the words to "Pirates"? I'm not familar with the song or the group. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Sorcha Date: 03 May 01 - 11:02 AM Clickie to wavestar's suggestion. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Wavestar Date: 03 May 01 - 11:06 AM Woo! Thanks Sorch :) -J |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,T-Tone Date: 03 May 01 - 09:19 PM How about the Pogues "If I should fall from The Grace of God" or Tom Wait's Singapore or Bob Dylan's When The Ship Comes In" |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia Date: 03 May 01 - 11:33 PM Charlie, Re Pirates by Emerson Lake & Palmer. I only have it on cassette. With some instrumental interludes the song goes for 13 mins 15 secs but could probably be shortened to around 8 mins by dropping some of the instrumental sections out. With lyrics like - the Turk the Arab and the Spaniard will soon have pennies on their eyes, it's almost like a history lesson. I hope come other 'catter reads this and directs you to a site with lyrics. JG / F.M.E. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: YO HO A PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME From: Blackcatter Date: 04 May 01 - 12:16 AM Disney's "Yo Ho A Pirate's Life For Me" is pretty graphic -
We pillage and plunder, rifle and loot It's also known as the unofficial Disney Corporate Theme Song.
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: KAS Date: 04 May 01 - 02:06 AM Hi Ingrid! The indispensable resource for the real deal is "The Book of Pirate Songs" by Stuart M. Frank. (Published in 1998 by the Kendall Whaling Museum, Sharon, MA 02067 USA - ISBN: 0937854050) Dr. Frank, a great performer himself with a mile-long sea music resume, is Director of the Kendall Museum. He was working on this book when I was doing pirate-song research for a theatre piece a few years ago, and was kind enough to answer some heavy-duty questions. I'm very glad to see the book published - it's fantastic. It's available on Amazon, and I'm sure you could get a copy from the Kendall Whaling Museum or the Mystic Seaport Museum store. If you're looking for something completely different, though, try - I can't believe I'm suggesting these at the same time - "I am a Pirate King" from "Pirates of Penzance" for unabashed classical goofiness or... (mentioned in Wavestar's thread, I think) for unrivaled punk bawdiness, try "The Good Ship Venus" aka "Friggin' in the Riggin'" sung by the Sex Pistols on their seminal album "The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle". Ken Schatz |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: alison Date: 04 May 01 - 02:30 AM yeah I immediately thought of "friggin' in the riggin'" slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Wavestar Date: 04 May 01 - 08:19 AM Boo, hiss, Ken! The book isn't available in the UK - I tried Amazon.co.uk, and was saddened. Anyone looking in the UK will have to order it from the States, it seems. Thanks for the tip, though :) Blackcatter - what's that from? I doesn't sound like the one from Peter Pan, which has the line, "A pirate's life is a wonderful life..." or the one from Muppet treasure Island, which is all about Shiver me Timbers... But I LIKE it :) -J |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Charley Noble Date: 04 May 01 - 08:38 AM For happy successful pirates, there's not a better song than "Traighli Bay" by Al Parrish of the Canadian group Tanglefoot © 1994, from their CD "Saturday Night at Hardwood Lake." The song should be in the Digital Tradition Archieves. Lot's of pillaging and slaughter but all in good fun! I also recommend Stuart Frank's book for a serious overview and a wonderful collection of songs.
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Fiolar Date: 04 May 01 - 08:58 AM Try a singer called Oscar Brand. I'll guarantee that the lyrics of his stuff are more than bawdy. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: marty D Date: 04 May 01 - 10:24 AM Oscar could write songs about ACCOUNTANTS and make them bawdy! Can you believe that my parents kept his records on that wayyyy high up shelf with the Belle Barth and Redd Foxx albums? marty |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Mrrzy Date: 04 May 01 - 10:38 AM Hey, I listened to Oscar Brand as a child, and every so often as an adult I'd hear one of those songs and *blush scarlet* as I understood them for the first time! My parents would explain if I asked, but somehow it adult terms so although I would stop asking, I didn't understand... great approach, I use it with my kids when I don't want to explain something! He has a great version of Columbo, which is about Columbus, not strictly speaking a pirate, but it is certainly naughtical, ha ha! It's sung "He knew the world was round-O, his [beard] hung to the ground-O" but I'm sure "beard" wasn't the original word... |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Blackcatter Date: 05 May 01 - 12:02 AM Wavestar - the song is from the "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride at their theme parks. If you haven't been - it's a rollicking and "family friendly" boat ride through the average day of a pirate. A couple years ago they even toned down some of the sex! After the aution where the pirates bid on various women to buy as personal sex-slaves (clearly Disney thinks that's ok for little kids to see) the pirates used to chase the women in order to "use" them - they have now changed it to the pirates chasing the women who have FOOD in their hands - we're supposed to assume the pirates are really hungry and not into the whole "Nine And A Half Weeks" thing. Disney has also recently modified the Jungle Cruise ride as well - Instead of shooting the crazed and attacking animals, they shout at them through a megaphone. Curiouser & curiouser. pax yall. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: Wavestar Date: 05 May 01 - 11:49 AM Wow, Blackcatter. great. I'll just sing the song and not think about the origin. The pirates I hang out with like women, but they sure as hell don't buy us. -J |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 09 Jul 03 - 01:09 PM With the release of the film there have been several background (PR)articles.
Excerpted from: It's a pirate's life, with little of the 'yo ho'
By Jon Burlingame
Apart from three fleeting references to its lyrics, "Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life for Me)" is buried deeper than a pirate's chest of ill-gotten treasure in Disney's new movie "Pirates of the Caribbean."
F. Xavier Atencio, who co-wrote the song with veteran Disney composer George Bruns ("Davy Crockett," "Sleeping Beauty"), has not yet seen the film. Told that the song is never played in full, he laughed, "I feel left out."
The song is indelibly linked to the ride, but it didn't start out that way, according to Atencio, who also wrote the script for the ride. Atencio, now 83, started at Disney in 1938 as an apprentice animator on "Pinocchio," and eventually storyboarded dozens of Disney TV shows and theme-park rides until his retirement in 1984.
According to Atencio, park designers had been at work for a year or more on the Pirates ride before the idea of a song even came up.
"One day I got a phone call from Walt, and he said, 'I'd like to have you do the script for Pirates of the Caribbean.' So I said OK, and I put on my pirate hat," Atencio said. "I researched what I could — 'Treasure Island' and stuff like that — to get the feeling and the jargon of pirates. By the time I finished scripting it, I thought, why not a song?
"I think it was at the final story meeting I had with Walt that I brought it up. I had a rough idea for a lyric and a melody in mind, so I recited and half-sang the "Yo Ho" song. And Walt said, 'Great, get George to do the music and we'll put it in the show.' " Not being a musician, Atencio expected that Disney would assign Richard and Robert Sherman to write it. They were under contract to the studio, had already penned "It's a Small World" for the park and had won Oscars for "Mary Poppins." Instead, Disney gave the job to Atencio and Bruns, "and I became a songwriter overnight," he recalled.
Atencio's words ("We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot ... / We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot") launched a second mini-career. With another Disney composer, Buddy Baker, Atencio went on to co-write "Grim Grinning Ghosts" for the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland and several other songs for Disneyland and Florida's Walt Disney World.
Whimsical flavor
In the Pirates ride, the song is not only sung several times by the animatronic figures during the 15-minute boat trip, it is also heard on a harpsichord (which appears to be playing itself), a piccolo and in various other musical combinations.
Unlike more hard-core pirate numbers such as "Fifteen Men on a Dead Man's Chest," which feature such R-rated lyrics as "The skipper lay with his nob in gore / where the scullion's ax his cheek had shore," the Caribbean-style Pirates tune is mostly lighthearted and whimsical, ending with the G-rated lines "Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads / Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho."
Songs in pirate movies are a venerable tradition, according to film historian Rudy Behlmer ("Inside Warner Bros.," "Behind the Scenes"). The first significant one in the sound era, he noted, was composer Herbert Stothart's use of a male chorus singing the traditional "Dead Man's Chest" song in the opening moments of the 1934 "Treasure Island." "You were immediately thrust into that milieu, with the pirate mystique," Behlmer said.
Similarly, the traditional sea chantey "What Shall We Do With a Drunken Sailor?" was part of the score of Burt Lancaster's 1952 swashbuckler, "The Crimson Pirate." Film composers loved to write their own pirate songs. Errol Flynn's privateers burst into song ("Strike for the Shores of Dover!") in Erich Wolfgang Korngold's score for 1940's "The Sea Hawk," and Tyrone Power was heralded at the start of 1942's "The Black Swan" by Alfred Newman and Charles Henderson's high-spirited theme ("Heave Ho! Lubbers Avast! Mates Ahoy!").
When a period film opens with a tune about wenching or sailing for treasure, "there's no question what the movie's going to be about," Behlmer said, "particularly when it's sung rather than just referred to instrumentally. It's part of the dramatic construction, and it's very effective."
Cole Porter wrote an entire score for MGM's Gene Kelly-Judy Garland musical "The Pirate" (1948), and Disney's animated "Peter Pan" (1953) features Captain Hook's crew singing Oliver Wallace and Ed Penner's "A Pirate's Life" ("Give me a career as a buccaneer"). Among more recent films, the charming "Muppet Treasure Island" (1996) offered yo-ho-ho tunes by '60s pop writers Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil.
Atencio is pleased that Pirates is still running at Disneyland, with his song intact, 36 years after it opened. "That's amazing to me. It makes me very happy to know that I was a part of it, and that it has lived this long and is as good now as it was yesterday."
But he has his own theory as to why the complete song isn't in the movie: "I think if they play more than six bars of the song, they'd have to pay me a royalty. I think that's why they didn't go any farther."
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-et-burl8jul08,0,4871241.story?coll=cl-calendar
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,MMario Date: 09 Jul 03 - 01:30 PM yup - sounds like the Mouse...God forbid they have to pay someone ELSE a royalty... |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: GUEST,StuMarkus Date: 09 Oct 03 - 08:46 AM Regarding Royalties: A royalty must be paid even if only six bars of music are used. But if the song was originally written as a "work for hire," chances are Disney already held the copyright. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 09 Oct 03 - 10:50 PM On the Mouse, Pirates, Pinnochio, and Royalties... Disney did not invent the little puppet, they plagarised the idea from an original Italian story, which may have been, I think, still under copyright. The town where the author was born has been turned into a museum, with a library of the hundreds of versions of the story in print in languages all over the world. And the original (where the little cricket dies!) is far better that the Mouse's version... :-) Robin |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bawdy Pirate songs? From: LadyJean Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:12 AM "The Maid on the Shore" is fairly ribald, and the captain and crew certainly act like pirates. I encountered some people at Pensic who sang a song with a chorus, "We're obnoxious pirates, obnoxious pirates we! So pass the grog, don't be a hog, obnoxious pirates we!" I don't remember the verses. They were vulgar without being funny. But I'll bet someone else does. Yo! Ho! |
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