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Tune Req: Long Time Traveling

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LONG TIME TRAVELIN'


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In Mudcat MIDIs:
A Long Time Travelin' (transcribed from a recording by Anne Hills)


Joe Offer 03 May 01 - 04:46 PM
catspaw49 03 May 01 - 04:53 PM
Joe Offer 03 May 01 - 05:13 PM
kytrad (Jean Ritchie) 03 May 01 - 06:56 PM
catspaw49 03 May 01 - 07:19 PM
Joe Offer 03 May 01 - 08:09 PM
IvanB 04 May 01 - 02:03 AM
Burke 04 May 01 - 02:04 PM
MMario 04 May 01 - 02:17 PM
Burke 08 May 01 - 07:22 PM
IvanB 08 May 01 - 09:24 PM
Sandy Paton 08 May 01 - 10:40 PM
Burke 09 May 01 - 05:29 PM
Burke 30 Mar 04 - 06:14 PM
kytrad (Jean Ritchie) 30 Mar 04 - 08:25 PM
Burke 30 Mar 04 - 09:09 PM
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Subject: Long Time Traveling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 01 - 04:46 PM

You'll find the lyrics to one version of "Long Time Travelin" here (click) in the Digital Tradition, but MMario and I have been unable to find a suitable tune. Burke sent MMario a shape note version of the song, but the notation is all harmony and no melody. Is there anybody who can come up with a MIDI or Noteworthy file of the tune for this song?
Any lyrics other than what we have in the Digital Traditon?
-Joe Offer (click to e-mail)-

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 04:53 PM

Joe, I don't do the Midi thing or any of that, but you could use the tune that is used by Frank Proffitt.....Don't you have that tape? It's on "Frank Proffitt of Reece, North Carolina." I could take a shot at the notes to words thing if you like......dunno' zackly how to figger that but.....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:13 PM

Hi, Spaw - I couldn't find the song on Frank Proffitt of Reece, North Carolina, but I think it's on another Proffitt album that Folk-Legacy has available only on cassette. I have a couple of recordings I can e-mail to Ivan B fro transcription, but I was hoping maybe somebody could find this in a songbook, or would be able to do a transcription easily.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 03 May 01 - 06:56 PM

Joe- The Old Regular Baptists in the Little Zion Church, (or, "Mom's Church," as our family called it)Jeff, Kentucky, two miles down the road from Viper, have always sung this song; we were raised on it. The words to all the Old Regulars' hymns are in their books,- THE SWEET SONGSTER, and THE THOMAS HYMNNAL were the main ones.But the tunes only existed in folks' heads, and often were interchangeable according to the meter given at the top of the page- e.g. "Long meter," "Common meter," "6s and 8s," etc. Only the songleader had a book, and he picked the tune and sang the first verse alone (sometimes whilst the preacher was still going strong, as a way of calming him down and getting him to think of stopping). Then, he "lined out" the second line, and folks joined in and continued to the end of song.

"Been a long time traveling" was just a four-line chorus that could be added to any song wherein the meter would work. As for the melody, though, that is almost impossible to write down, as everyone is allowed to decorate the song any way he/she feels like. Mom called that, "relishing the notes, and savoring the tune," meaning one should hold onto a note for awhile, getting the best out of it before letting go. Dad talked about, "shiverin up, and shakin down," on the notes, especially at the ends of lines. So you can see how hard it would be to write that down, by today's music rules! You just have to hear it sung... Frank Proffit played it on the guitar, I seem to remember, and so it came out the basic tune, with a definite beat- all the decorations left out. Great, the way he did it, but a different song.

An approximation of the "Old Regular" way of singing is on a few tracks of the Juneappal album, "Sweet Rivers." I have been trying to get them to make a CD of it, but they're afraid it won't make back the cost of doing so.

Not knowing how to get the tune onto the computer, that's the best I can do unless you want me to sing it for you on the telephone! Jean


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 07:19 PM

Sorry Joe....Its on the other tape.....my mistake, but I don't pay attention to the titles.....It is the sigle tape though. Also has Blackberry Wine on it..........Anyway, on the tape Frank plays it on that signature fretless banjo. I play that tape on the average of twice a week and everytime I hear it I want a fretless.......But you can get a similar effect on dulcimer and I like doing it that way.....

PM me your number and like Jean, I'll do it for you........But there is NO DOUBT she sounds MUCH better!!!! I mean like she's Jean Ritchie and in my case, if voices were lard, I couldn't grease a skillet!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 01 - 08:09 PM

Thanks for the offer, Jean - and for the fascinating background information. I may call you sometime and ask you to sing it, but I can't transcribe by ear. I did find the song in Sacred Harp (1991), and I'll play with it. I e-mailed the Anne Hills recording to Ivan B so he can work his magic on a transcription.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: IvanB
Date: 04 May 01 - 02:03 AM

Here's the tune as transcribed from the Anne Hills recording Joe sent me.


Click to play

To play or display ABC tunes, try concertina.net

ABC format:

X:1
T:LongTime
M:2/2
Q:1/4=208
K:D
A,2B,2D4|F4D2B,2|A,6G2|-G2F2G4|F2G2A4|F2E2D2B,2|
A,2B,2=C4|B,2=C2A,4|A,2B,2D4|F4D2B,2|A,6G2|
-G2F2G4|F2G2A4|F2E2D4|EDC2D4|-D8|A,8|-A,2B,2D4|
F4D2B,2|A,4G4|G2F2D4|F2A2A4|F2E2D4|EDC2D4|
-D8|A,8|-A,2B,2D4|F4D2B,2|A,4G4|G2F2D4|F2A2A4|
F2E2D4|EDC2D4|-D8||

I'll also be sending the NWC file to Joe and the MIDI to Alan.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Burke
Date: 04 May 01 - 02:04 PM

Repeating with more detail what I said in the other thread. In the Sacred Harp the melody is in the tenor line. I'm sorry I did not make that clear to MMario. In the Sacred Harp it's known as White. Almost all the Sacred Harp tunes I've identified in DT are from the album Rivers of Delight. I assumed that was the source used for the words.

In the past few years many of us who sing Sacred Harp have been branching out into some of the other old tune books, early gospel and the type of singing that Jean describes. Many of the families that have kept the Sacred Harp tradition alive come from the Primitive Baptist churches that sing from word only books.

If the JuneAppal recording is redone on CD, I am almost positive it will find a ready market among us. They might not make a lot of money, but they ought to be able to make their money back. There are a couple of singers who have a bit of a side business going in recordings. They usually bring a supply of recording they produce along with the Rounder Lomax recordings & several other commercially released CD's. They might want to distribute a recording like 'Sweet Rivers' as well.

The Sacred Harp Resource Guide has a called Lined-Out Hymnody and Psalmody that gives information about a number of similar recordings.

I don't check this source often enough. I can't listen just yet, but I'd especially like to point out the Wiregrass Ways Radio Programs Segments 2, 7, 9, & 13 have either or both David Lee of Hoboken, GA & Tollie Lee of Callahan, FL. David and Tollie will be at the New York State Sacred Harp Convention Oct. 20-21, in Barneveld, 10 miles north of Utica.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: MMario
Date: 04 May 01 - 02:17 PM

No problem burke - we had a tune that coincided with the lyrics - it just didn't "sound right" - which happens if you learn lyrics to a different tune first. It's the way "God Save the Queen" never sounds "right" to me; as I am sure "My country 'tis of Thee" sound "wrong" to those from the UK


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Burke
Date: 08 May 01 - 07:22 PM

I want to hear the midi posted. I followed the link, downloaded the program & converted the text to Midi. When I play it, I get that it's 26:41 & the notes are over 10 seconds apart. What should I do?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: IvanB
Date: 08 May 01 - 09:24 PM

Burke, did you select only the red text for saving? I tested it and it works fine on my computer. The clip is 37 seconds long. If you give me an email address at which you can receive attachments, I'll send you the original MIDI produced from NoteWorthy. If you want, PM me with your request, or send it to

Ivan Bradley's e-mail



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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 08 May 01 - 10:40 PM

Frank Proffitt's presentation of the song, recorded only a short while before he died, is on his Memorial Album (Folk-Legacy C-36), and Jean is absolutely right, it is virtually a different song when performed with accompaniment and a more strict rhythm. Very different from the way it would sound lined out in her rural Kentucky church. Good though! And I love the tune with it's modal intervals.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Burke
Date: 09 May 01 - 05:29 PM

It turns out my paste put a space at the beginning of every line. When I deleted them it worked. Thanks for the offer, Ivan.

I was hoping to hear a similarity between it & the Sacred Harp version. There doesn't seem to be any at all.

I can add some lyric information, however. The Sacred Harp has DT's version v. 1 & 3, with the chorus only following the verses. Verse 2 in DT & not in SH, When I can read my titles clear, is the first verse of a longer hymn by Isaac Watts.

The source for the words in Sacred Harp is listed as: Dobell's New Selection, 1810. Which must be this words only book: Dobell, John. A new selection of 700 evangelical hymns for private, family, and public worship ... intended as a supplement to Dr. Watt's Psalms and hymns. Morristown, Peter A. Johnson, 1810. By the 1825 ed. it was 800 hymns. Without viewing the book, I don't know if it had the chorus with it, or just the verses.

The music in Sacred Harp is attributed to Edmund Dumas, 1856. Dumas has a fair number of tunes in the book. Many, if not most of the tunes set down at this time period seem to be folk hymns set down & arranged by the person given credit. I think a lot of these 'composers' probably learned these tunes in a way similar to how Jean learned her version. When the set them down they seem to have picked the notes that gave the outline of the tune & then barred it, etc. When done in a Sacred Harp singing its tempos are very regular & can be pretty fast. I'm trying to 'reverse engineer' some of the tunes & may give this one a try.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Burke
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 06:14 PM

You can hear a convention recording of the Sacred Harp version Here It's called White; near the bottom of the page.

Direct link to the MP3 Here


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 08:25 PM

Burke- your refreshing of this thread on this day gives me the shivers! Just shortly before you wrote this, I called Juneappal Recordings, asking if our little label, Greenhays, could lease the "Sweet Rivers" album to make it available as a CD, and the person who talked to me said- what a coincidence; there had been an increase in requests for the recording, even in cassette form, and that she had suggested that it be one of the old ones chosen for CD foremat.
Welcome news- and now I turn on my computer and here's this revived thread. Weird...but wonderful!

Wait- that's not all. I found the list of songs on that record, and "Been a Long Time Travelin' is NOT on it- I had just thought it was... There's other fine ones, though, which the church folks did in the same style. Some of them:

Poor Pilgrim of Sorrow
I've Got a Mother Gone to Glory
My Head and Stay
Jesus Grant Us All a Blessing
A Few More Years Shall Roll
Sweet Rivers of Redeeming Love
The White Pilgrim

I'll keep looking for the recording of, 'Long Time Travelin.' I know it's on one of my old records.   Jean


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: Burke
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:09 PM

Jean, I will definately buy the CD! Please keep us posted.

I revived this thread because I linked to the convention recording in another thread & remembered this discussion as well. As I have time, I'll probably add links to other discussions, as well.

According to Folk Music Index
"Been a Long Time Traveling Here Below" is on:
Ritchie, Jean. Saturday Night and Sunday Too, Riverside RLP 12-620, LP (1956), cut#B.01

Here's the link for all of your recordings that they indexed.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: rich-joy
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 10:40 PM

I was first taken with "Long Time Travellin" on Peter Bellamy's LP recording "Both Sides Then" (1979, Topic) - and THEN I heard the English group, Jolly Jack's recording of "White" - and THIS made it one of my all-time favourite songs!
(must be the male-voices-in-harmony thing ...)

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Long Time Traveling
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 03:23 PM

Of course, Burke- I have the Folk Music Index list printed out and near my computer, so I should have remembered to look there. I do have a copy or two of that old record. Does anyone know who is managing the Riverside catalogue now? Thanks, Jean


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