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Subject: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Sparrow Date: 05 May 01 - 12:19 PM Hi everyone, I am desperately searching for the remaining lyrics to the round Rose. Your database only has the first verse. Here is what I have so far.
Rose, rose, rose, red (or Rose)
Ding dong, ding dong,
Hey ho, nobody home,
Ding dong, ding dong.
Descant (over last verse) From what I can gather, the song may be about a Crusader going off to war and returning to find his wife has passed away from heartbreak or starvation.
I think there are verses missing between 2 & 3 and 3 & 4
:) Grins |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Hollowfox Date: 05 May 01 - 02:21 PM Wow, I just thought that they were rounds that had the same tune. I hope you find the answer to your question, this one's interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: MMario Date: 05 May 01 - 02:31 PM As I have always understood it they ARE all different rounds sung to the same tune. Certainly "Ah Poor Bird" and "hey Ho nobody home" are seperate. Never heard of any crusader connection - in fact, my SCA friends tell me there are serious doubts as to whether they can be traced back further then the late 1700's |
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Subject: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round From: GUEST,merry_gypsy@yahoo.com Date: 13 Apr 02 - 06:27 PM The song "Rose Res, A.K.A. "Hey Ho", "Rose", "Peace", Round, etc., has more verses. To date, I have found the following 6 verses and 3 counter verses; does anybody have any more or variations on what I have?
What a goodly thing
I am an old man,
Rose, Rose, Rose, Red
I won't be me father's Jack, no!
Ding dong, ding dong
Hey, ho, nobody's home
Ah poor bird,
Ding dong, ding dong
Ah, poor bird, |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round From: GUEST Date: 13 Apr 02 - 07:35 PM Well, "Ah Poor Bird," is a different round, with its own lovely melody. And the "Peace Round" words were composed by Jean Ritchie (it's published in The Friends Hymnal). The words I know to, "Rose, Rose" are:
Rose, rose, rose, rose,
Your, "I am an old man" verse sounds like it was based upon a verse from, "The Souling Song:"
The lanes are very dirty; my shoes and very thin. What you have I would guess, is a medley- probably born around a campfire. Good fun! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round From: 8_Pints Date: 14 Apr 02 - 04:27 PM I know several versions of Rose, Rose
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Or an angry version
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Sue vG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 03 - 07:06 PM I heard a completely different tune to Ah, Poor Bird, where the tune of Heigh, Ho is completely different from Rose Red as well. These words were as follows: Rose, Rose, Rose Red Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire at thy will. Heigh, ho, nobody home meat nor drink nor money do I own. Still I will be very very merry merry ho. Ah, poor bird, Take thine flight! Up above the sorrows of this sad night. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Melani Date: 14 Nov 03 - 12:44 AM I learned "Rose" and "Heigh Ho" as the same tune. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Kent Date: 14 Nov 03 - 11:09 PM Don't know the original words, but we (in the churches of Christ, at least in the US)sing "Love, love, love, love. The Gospel in a word is love. Love thy neighbor as thy brother. Love, love, love." Joy, joy, joy, joy, The gospel in a word is joy. Joy that fills to ever-flowing. Joy, joy, joy. Peace, peace, peace, peace. The gospel in a word is peace. Peace that passes understanding. Peace, peace, peace. Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ The gospel in a word is Christ. Love Him, serve Him, and adore Him. Christ, Christ, Christ. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,guest Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:56 PM The way that I learned the lyrics from my mother: Rose, rose, rose, rose Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will sire, at thy will. Heigh ho, nobody home no eat, no drink, no money have I none but still I will be very merry Rose, rose, rose, rose Rose, rose, rose, rose |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,aaka Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:22 PM Thou Poor Bird Thou poor bird, Lost within the storm, Lift your wings into your night flight home! I've got this to add to the "thou poor bird" bit. A World Of Peace Lyrics also has some interesting variations under Friendship Fires, but I don't know how they fit in. BTW, this is a really interesting thread. ~! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,vbillard@verizon.net Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:58 AM I learned it with the following additional verses: I won't be my father's lack And I won't be my mother's chill I will be a fiddlers wife And fiddle as I will Peace peace peace peace Wars will come and wars will cease We must learn to live together Peace peace peace And Ah Poor Bird I've always heard as Ah poor bird Why art thou Flying through the shaddows Off this dark hour Though I'm prone to agree that it is a seperate song. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:54 PM This has been gone over, over and over. See especially thread 1143: Rose etc. 1. The verse is not known from before the 20th century. 2. The added verses are either independent or belong to other rhymes (floaters). If you read the thread linked above, I think you will find that the 'Peace' rhymes are by 'kytrad' and are in the "Friends Hymnal." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Tannywheeler Date: 28 Aug 04 - 01:12 PM Hally was such a stickler. She sang the "Rose" verse as a round -- but always "SHALL I ever see the wed?" -- and by itself. Tw |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:27 PM As I gave in another similr thread: We sang it this way- Rose, rose, rose, rose, Shall I ever see the red? Aye, marry, that thou wilt- If thou but stay. The question is about the color of the rose- the answer is that it takes patience to see your flowers in bloom. The "Aye, marry," an old way of saying,"Yes, to be sure," seems to have confused many modern folks who, thinking that if marriage was involved, the word "red" must be "wed," and so the whole meaning was changed. "Rose, Rose," and "Heigh Ho, Nobody Home," are basically the same tune, the first sung slowly and serenely; the second sung to a faster, more bouncy rhythm. My song, "The Peace Round," (beginning, "What a goodly thing..." uses the cadence and rhythm of the slower,"Rose, Rose." The words are mine, based on an old testament verse. Ah, ha! now who can find the verse? Jean |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:30 PM Kytrad, the 'red' version that you give seems the most logical to me. The 'wed' version seems to have originated in camps for young people, including scouts, although some people claim that it is 'old' (see link below). I have been trying to find reliable information for the 'red' verse without success. (I have seen verses of that ilk in UK garden catalogues). Without support, one Canadian site calls the 'red' version 16th c. and the 'wed' version the popular form (see under Love and Traditional in their index for the latter). They give the music, and the verse you post, as "traditional 16th c.," but I have noted some misattributions with songs at this site, and references are seldom provided: Rose 4X I found these rather odd ones: Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee red? Aye, marry that thou shalt When thou art dead? Also (Australian site): Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee red? Aye marry if thou wilt And thou but stay. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 29 Aug 04 - 06:26 PM Thanks, Q. I forgot to add that the four lines I gave were the entire song; it was sung only as a round. But folks have always liked to add on verses, if they like a tune, or if the words bring to mind an appropriate parody...I can see it happening- a mother teasing Rose,her 'old-maid' daughter, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, shall I ever see thee wed?" And then of course, the other two lines she had to adapt, to make sense! I have done no serious research, and appreciate the bits you gave. I do believe that originally the four-line round was all there was. And the last line could well have been the one you gave from the Australian site, "And thou but stay." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:47 PM I agree, the four lines are sufficient unto themselves. No one has been able to give any older references. It seems likely that it is a modern rhyme expressed in older language; something that has been done a number of times. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Tannywheeler Date: 30 Aug 04 - 01:14 PM OK, kytrad: "...for brethren to dwell together in unity" (or amity?), and New Test., but that's as close as I can get. And Mama probably learned it from you. Tw |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Girl Scouter Date: 15 Dec 04 - 12:32 AM |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Rey Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:13 AM I heard a (highly suspicious) tale of origins that it was about the War of the Roses, and that it was originally: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Shall I ever see the red? I will, merry, at thy will, sire, at thy will. (Supposedly being the words of a knight simultaneously contemplating a rose in his garden and his desire for Lancaster to win as he's being called to war.) The follow up verse was SUPPOSEDLY originally: Ding dong, ding dong Wedding bells on a September morn Carve thy name on a moss cover stone, A moss covered stone. (This being the wedding to end the war over the bodies of the losers.) We atually sang the second vers in this manner, but the first was: Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire, At thy will. Cute story. Probably nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Emma Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:02 PM I've also heard the story that it's about the war of the roses - that was how it was taught to me at girl scout camp when I was a kid. Maybe it's not actually a period song, but it does seem to tell a tale of love lost to war. Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee Red? I will marry at thy will sire, At thy will Ding dong ding dong Wedding bells on an April morning Carve your name on a moss-covered stone On a moss-covered stone Peace, peace, peace, peace Shall I ever see thee come I will wait forever and ever Peace, peace, peace Ding dong, ding dong. Funeral bells on an autumn morning Rose, my Rose is dead and gone is dead and gone. Mother, Father dig my grave Dig it with a golden spade Bring some friends and a turtle dove To show that I died for love To show that I died for love Descant: O my love, Lov'st thou me? Then Quickly come and save him, that Dies for thee. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Emma Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:03 PM I've also heard the story that it's about the war of the roses - that was how it was taught to me at girl scout camp when I was a kid. Maybe it's not actually a period song, but it does seem to tell a tale of love lost to war. Rose, rose, rose, rose Shall I ever see thee Red? I will marry at thy will sire, At thy will Ding dong ding dong Wedding bells on an April morning Carve your name on a moss-covered stone On a moss-covered stone Peace, peace, peace, peace Shall I ever see thee come I will wait forever and ever Peace, peace, peace Ding dong, ding dong. Funeral bells on an autumn morning Rose, my Rose is dead and gone is dead and gone. Mother, Father dig my grave Dig it with a golden spade Bring some friends and a turtle dove To show that I died for love To show that I died for love Descant: O my love, Lov'st thou me? Then Quickly come and save him, that Dies for thee. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Emma Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:05 PM (Dur, problem with the form. Sorry for the dupe post.) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 06 - 02:18 PM The 'peace' rhyme, of course, was written by Jean Ritchie (see Kytrad post above, 28 Aug 04). As noted in her post of 29 Aug 04, the four lines given on the 28th are the earliest known, and they did not appear before the 20th c. (see threads linked at top of thread, esp. 1143: Rose ). Her explanation is the one generally accepted. Dozens of people have added verses from other rhymes, or their own verses, since the first four lines appeared. Many search for a complicated explanation unsupported by fact. Childhood fantasies from summer camps and emotions and romanticized memories of those days probably are the source of these speculations. The same is true of another 'scout-camp' song called 'Barges'. All the stories about it, too, are unsupported invention. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Miribelle Date: 30 Aug 07 - 09:43 PM i learned the first two songs in a girl scout song book, but they only ever use the first two verses about getting married, not the latter oned about suicide/ death |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: lady penelope Date: 31 Aug 07 - 04:04 PM Mmm, the tune I know to Ah poor bird Take thy flight Fly above the misery Of this dark night Wouldn't fit as a descant to the Rose round as it's far shorter in length and a different time signature. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,another verse Date: 08 Sep 07 - 04:43 PM another verse that goes withthe rose rose tune that I always use to sing in girl scouts is my close are very dirty, my shoes are very thin i have a little pocket to put a penny in if you haven't got a penny a hay penny will do if you haven't got a hey penny then god bless you! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Sep 07 - 10:54 PM Should be written ha'penny. The verse is a variant of one in the song, "Christmas is Coming." It has nothing to do with the round "Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose." See thread 41384 for the complete rhyme, posted in 2001 by Joe Offer. Christmas is Coming |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,Figured I'd throw a pair of ha'pennies in Date: 23 Oct 07 - 03:30 AM I learned these three entirely seperately. And Ah Poor Bird was always my preferred section of round to be in. We (being my brothers and I) sang it as Ah Poor Bird Take thy flight Up upon the sha-adows Of this Dark Night. I write it here, how we sang it. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,X3 Date: 29 Oct 07 - 11:21 AM I always learned the last verse was mother father dig my grave dig it with a golden spade bring some friends and a turtle dove to show that I died for love to show that I died for love |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST Date: 05 Nov 07 - 03:15 AM do you know who the composer was, and what era it is in |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round) From: GUEST,tara Date: 15 Nov 07 - 02:57 PM i was in choir for a few years. the rose rose song was one of our warm-ups. your version was a little different from what i had learned in school. rose, rose, rose, rose will i ever see thee wed? i will marry at thy will at thy will ding dong, ding dong wedding bells on April morn carve thy name on a moss covered stone a moss covered stone oh poor bird take thy flight high above the sorrows of this dark night |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 08 - 02:58 AM When I was at a summer camp about 5 years ago they taught a version of that song to us. It wasn't nearly as intricate, and I'm not sure how correct it is, but what I was taught was: Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose Will I ever see thee wed? I shall marry at thy will, Sire. At thy will. Ding Dong, Ding Dong Wedding bells on an April morn Carve your name on a moss covered stone On a moss covered stone Hey ho, nobody's home No meat, no drink, no money have I none But still I will be married. Hey ho, nobody's home Free, free bird Take thy flight Fly high above the sorrows Of this sad night. When I googled some of the lyrics, the results I got indicated that the 'version' we were taught was this, kind of, butchered re-constructed version that left out the most of the song. |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:03 PM The agonies over this little round have been going on for years!!! What is its mysterious interest? I will guess that it's based upon every soul of us wanting our own childhood (or campfire) memories to be The Right Way to Sing It.... all agree? My guess about the "poor bird" (Ah, poor bird, take thy flight- High above the sorrows of this sad night) is that it fits as a harmony sung at the same time as the Rose Round. The "poor bird" lyrics are certainly not metrically right for being sung with it as a round. Selah. Jean |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:07 PM I neglected to say, however, that "Ah, poor bird," is a round in its own right, leaving off the Rose words. Was just looking for the reason it got dragged into, "Rose, rose..." |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: Melissa Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:10 PM I worked at two camps, and Rose/Ah Poor Bird were sung together at both. I imagine that's why they end up paired by folks who stop in to mention them. At one of the camps, we had a third song that was sometimes added to the mix. Not as verses to a round, but as songs we sang at the same time. |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,ink_heart Date: 24 Jul 08 - 08:08 PM this is the version we sagn.. i am assuming that it is about the Vietnam War... Rose Rose Rose Rose When will I see thee wed? I will marry at thy will, sire at thy will. Ding dong ding dong. Wedding bells on an April morn carve thy name in a moss cover stone in a moss covered stone Fly bird fly bird high above the mountain top spread my hopes my laughs my dreams on a high mountain top Peace peace peace peace Wars will come and wars will cease We must learn to live together Peace peace peace peace peace peace... |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,Marymac90 Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:03 AM In the 70's and later, we sang one version no one has mentioned yet: Love, love, love, love, People we were made for love, Love each other as ourselves, For we are one. We would sing another set of words that I can't quite put my finger on. We'd start with one set, then sing one against the other, then gradually all switch to the second set. It might have been kytrad's Peace lyric's, I'm not sure. I will ask a friend and post when I know. Marymac |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,Blood Rose Date: 13 Aug 08 - 08:42 PM hrmmm... the tune i learned, though probably very unacurate, is Rose, rose, rose, rose will i ever see thee wed? i will marry at thy will, sire at my will |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/varia From: GUEST,Salina Date: 11 Mar 10 - 05:43 AM I thought it was: ah poor bird take thy flight far above the sorrows of this sad night Rose rose rose: rose rose rose red will I ever see the wed I marry, that I will if thy bud stays and then there's another one, but I don't know the name: redder strawberries redder than red roses heigh ho tralala redder than red roses redder strawberries redder than red roses greener leaves are growing |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,GUEST, Wichita Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:14 PM I would like to know the name of the one "GUEST, Saline" typed. I've also heard it, and heard it slightly different with another verse: Red are strawberries Redder than red roses Heigh ho tralala Redder than red roses Red are strawberries Redder than red roses Green the leaves are falling Deep in forests Deeper than the ocean Heigh ho tralala Deeper than the ocean Deep in forests Deeper than the ocean Green the leaves are falling |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,Guest - Jewelle Date: 05 May 10 - 12:00 AM Here's another place to find the lyrics and they have a verse I haven't seen posted here... I even have a mp3 of this song including this verse. Its sung acapella by 3 to 4 people. There is even an example to listen to on this site, I enjoyed it hope you do too. http://www.chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/peaceround.html |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST Date: 20 Oct 10 - 02:23 PM I learned the a rose song but it was Red are the strawberries Redder than red roses tra la tra la la Redder than the rose Red are the strawberries Redder than red roses Green the grass is growing |
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Subject: RE: 'Rose' or 'Peace' round - counter-verses/variants From: GUEST,Miss. Liss Date: 16 Aug 13 - 07:03 PM So, as far as I know, my round is; Rose, Rose, Rose Red, will I ever see thee wed? I will marry at thy will Sire, at thy will. Beauty is before me, beauty is around me, beauty is above me and below. Ding, ding, ding dong, wedding bells on an April morn', carve my name on a moss covered stone, on a moss covered stone. Ding, ding, ding dong, funeral bells on a September morn', Rose, oh Rose is dead and gone Sire, dead and gone. Ah, thou poor bird, take thy flight high above the sorrows of this night. This night. |
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