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Sandy Paton 09 May 01 - 11:52 PM
catspaw49 09 May 01 - 11:57 PM
katlaughing 10 May 01 - 12:09 AM
DougR 10 May 01 - 12:14 AM
Rick Fielding 10 May 01 - 12:23 AM
dick greenhaus 10 May 01 - 12:30 AM
Barbara 10 May 01 - 01:27 AM
bbc 10 May 01 - 05:50 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 10 May 01 - 06:00 AM
Lyndi-loo 10 May 01 - 06:08 AM
kendall 10 May 01 - 08:40 AM
SINSULL 10 May 01 - 08:54 AM
Alice 10 May 01 - 09:09 AM
Alice 10 May 01 - 09:10 AM
Liam's Brother 10 May 01 - 09:23 AM
MMario 10 May 01 - 09:33 AM
Big Mick 10 May 01 - 11:51 AM
Hollowfox 10 May 01 - 12:25 PM
bill\sables 10 May 01 - 12:36 PM
kendall 10 May 01 - 12:46 PM
Big Mick 10 May 01 - 01:04 PM
bbc 12 May 01 - 01:15 PM
Duane D. 12 May 01 - 02:05 PM
Naemanson 12 May 01 - 02:09 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 12 May 01 - 07:17 PM
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Subject: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 09 May 01 - 11:52 PM

Congratulations are in order for bbc, Mudcatter & friend. She has just been quite ceremoniously given tenure at the school where she is a teacher/librarian. Seems they know a good thing when they find one. We celebrated by having dinner together at the local beanery.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 May 01 - 11:57 PM

Wonderful!!! Thanks Sandy......and I hope you had other fare at the "beanery."

Barb, my hardiest and heartiest congratulations to you....and Sandy is correct that they know a good thing. So do I and many others here. May you have the best always come to you.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:09 AM

CONGRATULATIONS, BBC!!

That is wonderful news. Thanks for letting us know, Sandy!

All the best,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: DougR
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:14 AM

Congratulations, Barb my love, you truly deserve it! And so much more!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:23 AM

What's tenure? Don't I deserve some by now?

Congrats Barb. Tenure PLUS dinner with the Pontoons! It doesn't get any better than that. Sandy, I miss that Italian restaurant.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:30 AM

BBC- Congratulations

Rick- You have tenure. At this point, nobody can stop you from singing, whether they like it or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Barbara
Date: 10 May 01 - 01:27 AM

Oh, good show, Barb. They recognize quality, obviously.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: bbc
Date: 10 May 01 - 05:50 AM

What a nice thing to do, Sandy! It's only 5:50 am & I need to scoot to work, but I'll post later. Thanks for the good wishes!

love,

barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 10 May 01 - 06:00 AM

Well done bbc, I know tenure is hard to get in the US ( in the UK we get it automatically after a probationary period though it doesn't mean we can't be sacked, yet amazingly, I'm still here, 25 years on!).
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 10 May 01 - 06:08 AM

Congrats BBC. Security at last

I'm not so sure that we get automatic tenure here in the UK. If you read the sits vac columns, particularly for science jobs you'll find that most of them are fixed term contracts with a possibility of extension. It seems that it's yet another management trend that we are following behind our American friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: kendall
Date: 10 May 01 - 08:40 AM

Bully for you deah!


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 May 01 - 08:54 AM

Congratulations, bbc. Now you can come in late, let the TAs take over your work, and enjoy long lunch hours! ...maybe not. Congratulations anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Alice
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:09 AM

hurray! That is great news. Barabara, you are a treasure.

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Alice
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:10 AM

hurray! That is great news. Barbara, you are a treasure.

Alice

sorry for the double post - I was typing so fast I spelled your name wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:23 AM

Great news, Barbara!

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: MMario
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:33 AM

this is good news. congratulations bbc!


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 May 01 - 11:51 AM

Hey Beebs.........I got a question..............ain't this tenure thing a liberal thing?????...........hahahahaha........Congratulations, m'love. You are one of my fav's anywhere. Even if you are a conservative. I am very happy for you. And, I hope you will come to FSGW this year. I miss you!

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Hollowfox
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:25 PM

Hoo-ray! Congratulations and good for you, lass! (I love good news!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: bill\sables
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:36 PM

Congratulations Barbara, does this mean you move to Paton country
Bill & Lorna


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: kendall
Date: 10 May 01 - 12:46 PM

I'll tell you what Big Mick, when BBC gives you a hug, you would never know she is a conservative! She's way too outgoing and warm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 May 01 - 01:04 PM

I have been the recipient of those marvellous hugs, Ken. You are spot on about the quality of them. And I probably agree with more of her philosophy than I disagree. But there are a couple of things...........hahahahahaha.

And Captain Kendall, won't you pulleaze make some time for FSGW this year as well? That would be a gas!

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: bbc
Date: 12 May 01 - 01:15 PM

Hi, folks,

I finally have time to respond. I've lost track in some of these posts whether I'm being congratulated or roasted, but I appreciate the attention, just the same! Tenure in U.S. public school education can be offered after a teacher (or, in my case, a school librarian)has worked full-time in a school district for 3 years. It is a vote of confidence from the principal, superintendent, & school board that they are pleased w/ the person's work & desire that person to continue working in the district. In the 3 years before tenure is conferred, a teacher can be fired (not have contract renewed) without cause. After one is tenured, cause needs to be proven, unless one's job title is eliminated.

For me, this is very good news! I came into my career a little more than 10 years ago, out of necessity, when my husband left me w/ 2 young children to support. I went from being a content homemaker to working full-time as soon as my younger son started kindergarten. My first job was in a special ed K-12 hospital school, headed by an insecure principal who fired someone each year. My second year, it was my turn. After 6 months of unemployment, I secured a job at a residental school for emotionally disturbed inner-city boys. That job lasted 1 1/2 years, till a union dispute lost all untenured faculty our jobs & caused 18 tenured teachers to be suspended during 3+ years of litigation. Ironically, I was recommended for my 1st "regular" public school job for that next fall. I worked 2 full school years at a grade 1-5 elementary school in a snooty Southern Westchester County, New York town. Although I had gotten good evaluations from my principal & had no idea my job was in danger, 2 weeks before the end of my 2nd year, the superintendent asked me to resign. Unbeknownst to me, I was the victim of a political situation in the school district. The other school librarians in the district were all tenured & they wanted to keep 1 position untenured, as a playing piece. The person in my position had been fired every 2 years for 3 times before me & once after me, till the principal & superintendent left! I went into the summer without a job for the fall & with my resume in tatters. I was unemployed for a full 2 years, as I continued to seek professional employment at a rate of pay that would support me & my children in an expensive area where I needed to stay so they could have visitation w/ their dad. At the end of the 2 years, I was offered a job in a small, rural district at a grade 4-6 school an hour's drive from my home & at a lower rate of pay than my previous job. It turned out to be the answer to my prayer that I could find a job where I would be accepted & appreciated. In addition, Duane & I discovered that we really loved the countryside around my school & want to move there as soon as it is feasible (probably when my younger son completes high school in 2 years). A huge added bonus is that we've become close friends w/ Sandy & Caroline Paton who live 10 minutes from where I work. We love the idea of moving closer to them!

And now a few comments-- Thank you, Sandy, for starting this thread. Even though 5 people were given tenure in my building out of a staff of only about 20 total, we didn't get punch & cookies or even an announcement on the PA there, so your attention was really appreciated.

SINSULL, I know you were joking, but I don't get to slack off now. I have am obligations, so can't arrive late. Have no TA & only get a 30-minute lunch to Mudcat in. For me, in the past, tenure has only worked against me. One supervisor told me that, as an untenured teacher, I needed to be virtually perfect since they knew that, when I got tenure, I'd slack off. That really hurt my feelings, since I am not a slack off kind of person. Many districts in my area have high payscales & many tenured people. In recent times, particularly w/ special area teachers (art, gym, music, library), they keep you for 2 years & hire somebody cheaper.

Alice, Barabara is kind of cute. I've done that typo myself. Lately, my rude teenage son has been calling me Barbalee. I keep telling him my name is Mom!

Mick, I love you. Tenure a liberal thing? Yes, in a way. In education, like it or not, I am represented by a union. Has its good & bad points. I've worked hard to get to this point & figure I have earned it. If I slack now, that is an abuse. I figure, now that I have tenure, they'll just do as they've threatened & eliminate the whole tenure system. : ) We're unsure about the Get-Away. David still has high college bills & Duane still has no regular income. Any chance of a trip to NY?

Bill Sables--Yes to moving to Paton country, but I probably need to brave the darkness & deer for another 2 years. Love you!

kendall, shame on you! Conservatives cold & inhibited? No, silly goose, that's librarians! I specialize in myth-breaking! BTW, if conservatives aren't allowed to hug warmly, how do you suppose all those Born Again Bible Belters get such large families? : ) Just to set the record straight for those of you who may not know me, those hugs I dispense are warm, wholehearted, socially acceptable expressions of Christian love, showing my appreciation & acceptance of my brothers & sisters in God's eyes. Hey, guys, did you know you were getting that much?

Love & thanks to all,

bbc (basking in 10-year tenure-glory)


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Duane D.
Date: 12 May 01 - 02:05 PM

Hello everyone. I've been away far too long and until today unable to reset my cookie. I discovered bbc's hugs nearly four years ago at our first time together and her hugs alone would have kept me coming back for more. Needless to say, the hugs I receive are more personal (and even warmer).


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 May 01 - 02:09 PM

Hey Kid! Congratulations! I only just saw this thread and didn't want to miss out on giving you my warmest wishes.

Brett


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 12 May 01 - 07:17 PM

Barbara!! That's great! In NH, tenure doesn't exist- but they keep asking me back, so I guess that's good. But I know you've been on pins and needles about job security- I remember when you were just finishing year #1 and thought it almost too good to be true that you might be going back in the fall- so this is wonderful news!
Can I give you my hug in person at Old Songs or do I have to drive over there to NY to deliver it when I ever get to Sharon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 01 - 07:41 PM

Ms Barbara,

How do you come away with "ten-years" of credit after just puttin' in three years ??? I guess you must know how to do it. Sure sounds a bit like alchemy to me. It's sort of like the Supreme Court saying Bush is the president of the U.S. Whatever! Go for it !

When ya got it, FLAUNT IT.

Oh---CONGRATULATIONS.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: bbc
Date: 12 May 01 - 08:16 PM

Hey, Art, shame on you! Didn't you read my post? Although it only takes *most* people 3 years to make tenure, I had to work in my field 10 years before anyone saw fit to grant it! I thought you, of all people, would appreciate my 10-yr tenure play. Animaterra, boo! hiss! no tenure in NH?! We expect to be at Old Songs & I'm always glad to get a hug!

love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 01 - 08:47 PM

Barbara,

I'm sheepishly admitting I don't read all the posts. ("Funny", Carol says, "You don't look Sheepish"!) I do really miss you here lately. Will you be able to spend more time here now?

Love,

Art


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