Polygamy

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 May 01 - 10:53 AM

Hey guest..with comments, where are you from?

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: CarolC
Date: 23 May 01 - 03:48 PM

...the irrationality can be treated with either chemical or surgical tools. For example the frontal lobes of the brain could be removed in the worst cases.

Well, GUEST,Conquest is ..., if anyone ever puts your treatment for irrationality into practice, you'd probably best be looking to protect your frontal lobes.

A simple solution would be castration after the first population/crosspopulation takes place

I guess you don't hold with the practice of vasectomies and tubal ligations for the purpose of sterilization. I think I'm done talking with you.

Grab, I'm sorry if you feel that I have been feeding trolls. Our GUEST has not recieved any flames (with the possible exception of a mild one in this beginning of this post), so it's hard for me to see how he has been fed if trolling for flames has been his objective. There has been dialogue, but as distasteful as the subject matter has been, it is still dialogue.

Carol

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 23 May 01 - 07:51 PM

you mean me, mrrz, (may i call you mrzz?) or some other guest with more extended opinions?

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,IQ ...
Date: 24 May 01 - 03:08 AM

"Well, GUEST,Conquest is ..., if anyone ever puts your treatment for irrationality into practice, you'd probably best be looking to protect your frontal lobes."

=^QQ^=

Insults when weak illustrate lack of sherical objects?

Try again .... if you can think somehing original and really irritating lol

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 01 - 10:51 AM

GuestJoe, I'm not sure if I mean you, I mean the guest (I assume it's the same Guest) who adds things like Conquest Is, or Oh, now I see, and other comments, to their Guest tag. Whether that is you or not, yes you may call me Mrrz (although the more usual shortening is Mrr). But the question remains, and again it is for contextual info, where are you from?

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Branwen23
Date: 24 May 01 - 12:54 PM

I grew up Mormon...

I no longer am active in any church activities, and don't consider myself a member of the church.

As far as the polygamy issue goes, all I know is that in Primary (LDS Sunday School for young children) and in the Young Women's Program, we were always told that the practice of polygamy among Mormons started on the Mormon Trail from Nassau to Salt Lake, when many men were killed in various ways, leaving widows and children, and that these women and children were basically adopted into other families.

They always told us that once the Mormons were settled in Salt Lake City, and had established communities, that the practice was discontinued at the direction of Church elders, without any direction from the American Government. But everything I've ever read that wasn't a church publication (not that there are many publications on church history regarding this issue, they pretty much avoid talking about it) seemed to say that the Mormons were forced by the government to abandon the practice once the Utah Territory was assimilated into the US.

I always sort of felt that there was an embarrassment within the Church that the whole thing ever happened. Of course, I grew up in Texas, and have never known anyone who was ever involved in a polygamous relationship. The climate may be somewhat different in Utah.

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-Branwen

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,Sorrel in Utah
Date: 24 May 01 - 03:07 PM

Tom Green is not a 'Mormon' - despite what that uninformed Matt Lauer says. Since the Prophet said in 1896 "No more plural marriage" any member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints engaging in such behaviour is in opposition to one of the fundamental principles of the church.

I do not know what church affiliation Tom Green has, but 'mormon' he is not.

BTW- Amergin, I come from South Africa. Due to the extent of inbreeding down there I betcha we's cuzzins.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 24 May 01 - 08:12 PM

Mrrz, (may i call you, Mrrz?) 'i was... booooorn in east LA....' actually in Lynnwood which is just south of there. have lived in Whittier, just east of there most of my life. 'joe' is my only name on this thread. i've used 2 other names on previous threads to experiment w/ alternate personae, but this one draws out 'directness' so i use it most, claro?

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Jon W.
Date: 25 May 01 - 12:39 AM

First to answer Penny's question - Usually the plural marriages were eternal, what we call sealed for time and all eternity. Sometimes a widow would have been sealed to her first husband, and then entered a plural marriage with another man and sealed for time only. Some of these would have been wives in name only (maybe they just didn't want the hassle of being courted for the rest of their lives.

Second, to respond to Branwen23, I suppose the church, or more likely some members of it was/were embarrassed about plural marriage. It certainly isn't a subject discussed much with children and young teenagers. I personally feel quite comfortable discussing it, and I am about as active a member of the LDS church as I can be. BTW I didn't grow up in Utah, although my parents did. As far as the church not officially acknowledging the government's role in forcing the end of the practice, I will leave you with this link to the Official Declaration which ended the practice of plural marriage, which is part of the Doctrine And Covenants, a book which is considered by LDS faithful to be modern scripture on par with the Bible and the Book Of Mormon in truth, authority, and sacredness. Read it and the associated commentary and judge for yourself.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,Don't beleive it folks !
Date: 25 May 01 - 10:22 AM

Plural marriage, polygamy is alive and well in Idaho, Utah , Montana and lots of other states!

Quietly tolerated it is doing just fine lol.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 25 May 01 - 08:46 PM

here, here!

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Haruo
Date: 25 May 01 - 08:59 PM

One of the great seriandriistesses of literature is the Wyf of Bath in Chaucer's Caunterbury Tales; pretty sure she had outlasted five husbands.

Liland

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 May 01 - 05:50 AM

Jon, thanks for the correct term - I knew I hadn't got it right, but couldn't remember it. It's a long time since I read up about the LDS, when I had a child in my class from a family in that church.

Penny

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:41 PM

i think we should open this subject for more discussion.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,Grumpy
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 04:24 AM

Cheers all. I've been looking for these words ever since a good mate used to sing the song in our Folk Club. Sadly I've lost touch with him but always think of him when the song comes to mind.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,Riverman
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 06:23 AM

This has been an interesting thread. Like Jon W I'm an active member of the church (from the UK) and also like him I've never been one to avoid the churches associations with the whole thing. However, I'm very glad it's come to an end which is a legitimate personal view.

The church, however, rightly and vehemently defends itself against any confusion between its innocent, law abiding members and folks like our man in question who turn such things on its head to justify a criminal lifestyle.

And to pick up on something Lady Penelope mentioned (although I don't think she was targeting the LDS church) the church has recently said that planning a family should be a matter of consideration taking into account financial and social circumstances and that's a position I support strongly. Thanks for your wide-ranging views, it's been great.

I just wish I knew those folk songs about the subject.

Subject: RE: Polygamy
From: GUEST,Ken Brock
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 09:08 AM

A few show tunes are relevant:

"Solomon" from Cole Porter's NYMPH ERRANT (circa 1933).

The "Eastern and Western Love" sequence from THE DESERT SONG (Romberg-Harburg-Hammerstein, 1928)

"By The Mississinewah" from Cole Porter's SOMETHING FOR THE BOYS (circa 1940?)

perhaps "It's a Puzzlement" (I'm not sure) from THE KING AND I (Rodgers and Hammerstein, circa 1951).