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Songs about stuttering / stammering

Mrrzy 22 May 01 - 12:27 PM
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Subject: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 01 - 12:27 PM

Actually seeking more stuttering/stammering songs, the above being a shortened quote from Man Piaba. I know the stuttering lovers. What else is there, and is the difference between stammering and stuttering, pathetically or not, a geographical one only? That is, in my reading experience, US=stutter and UK=stammer, but I've also heard Americans distinguish initial-sound trouble from within-the-sentence-sound trouble, so that saying cacacacacarpe diem is stuttering, while carpe um um um um diem is stammering. My dictionary doesn't give me a satisfying answer... what do you all say? Also for the Canadians among us, it's begayer, right, whether you stutter or stammer? Un bègue is a stutterer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: IanC
Date: 22 May 01 - 12:31 PM

Don't think there's even a geographical difference. Wherever I've been in the UK, the words are interchangeable.

ChChCheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 May 01 - 12:33 PM

Jehosophat and Jones (alias the Two Ronnies) did one called Stuttering Bum, which is brilliant but I haven't got the words. Try a search for them on the web, maybe, just maybe......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 May 01 - 12:52 PM

The Stuttering Lovers --The Clancy Brothers
My Generation --The Who


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 01 - 01:09 PM

Forgot about My Generation, right, thanks! (Not that it's folk, but hey, I'm of a forgivign nature...)

I also find stammer used for when you're just nervous but don't really have a stutter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 01 - 01:13 PM

Begayer? Is that for real? I mean, it's a nice sentiment in either meaning of the word "gay" although I fail to see what it has to do with stuttering or stammering or passing gas for that matter...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: MMario
Date: 22 May 01 - 01:16 PM

from a web site... " stammer or stutter

To stammer is to speak with difficulty, hesitating, and repeating words: 'I can't– can't– don't know how to thank you,' he stammered.

To stutter is also to speak with difficulty, but typically involves repeating a single letter rather than a whole word: 'B-b-but you s-s-said you'd t-t-tell me,' she stuttered."


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 May 01 - 01:39 PM

B-b-b-baby you ain't see nothin' yet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: radriano
Date: 22 May 01 - 02:19 PM

Stuttering can be much more complex than just repeating a single letter. I grew up with a severe stutter - it still creeps up on me from time to time but has subsided considerably.

The single letter repetition can also occur in the middle of a sentence or, for that matter, in the middle of a word. Another common feature of stuttering is the total blockage of sound which can occur at the beginning or anywhere in the midst of a sentence or phrase. There are many other example of other kinds of stuttering but I'd better stop here because I feel my blood pressure rising just talking about it. The terms stuttering and stammering, in my experience, are interchangeable, at least they are in the States.

Unless you have had the problem yourself you really can't imagine what ridicule stutterers endure. Many people find it quite amusing and I hope that the reason for finding stuttering songs in this case is not one of humor.

My reaction to this subject is rather visceral due to personal experience so please excuse my ranting here.

Richard


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 01 - 02:28 PM

No, not humor, this isn't A Thread Called Wanda. Which embarrassed me, and I am not a stutterer. No, I was really trying to see how the terms are used in song, and how the stutter/stammer is used in song. I've been reading about the newer approach to treating stuttering, which addresses not the stuttering but the social impact it has, which I think is a great approach (why should something different always need to be FIXED?) but I don't blame you for being sensitive.

MattR, thanks, I'd forgotten that one too! BTO, right?

Spaw, pronounce it in French (hon hon hon, laughed Tom froggishly)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Amergin
Date: 22 May 01 - 03:00 PM

Well, Seamus Kennedy has on one of his cds Old McDonald's Deformed Farm....one of the animals is a stuttering cow....


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 22 May 01 - 03:18 PM

The Irish Rover's recording of Lily the Pink has a verse that goes something like this:

Johnny H-hammer
Had a teh-teh-terrible stammer
He could hardly say a word
Then they gave him medicinal compounds
And n-now he's seh-seh-seh-seen, but never heard!


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 May 01 - 03:20 PM

You got it, Mrzz. BTO. Does K-K-K-Katy count?


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Metchosin
Date: 22 May 01 - 04:42 PM

uh, begayer??? I'm Canadian and usually we refer to it as a speech impediment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 22 May 01 - 04:45 PM

Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes - David Bowie


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 22 May 01 - 05:00 PM

I was ill recently which caused me to have a bad stammer and this intermittently returns -Polly on the shore would be a nightmare for me!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 22 May 01 - 06:01 PM

A former acquaintance used to do a song, the chorus of which was "Life is hard when you're living in Oxnard," that fair city being far enough from LA to cause AM reception problems. Guy calls up the radio station and requests a song for his girl, but in Oxnard it comes in as "I-I-I Lo-oh-oh-ove Yo-o-oou," etc. In the last verse, the guy makes it big, upgrades his life, moves to LA, picks up penthouse phone, calls DJ and requests song again. It still comes in the same way, because hey, it's a fifties tune and they all sounded like that. Ba-Barbara Ann, and Ma-Ma-Ma-Ma-Ma-Ma-Ma-Ma-Marry Me, and probably too many more besides. And every time I say that's fifties, my wife from Kansas says, "Gee, I think of it as sixties."

No real point to any of that, was there??

tjc


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Homeless
Date: 22 May 01 - 07:31 PM

"B-B-Bad to the Bone" by George Thorogood could be considered blues, if you want to stretch it.
If you're really open to anything, "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guts 'N' Roadkill. Oops, I mean Guns 'N' Roses.

I often stutter when I get tired or flustered, but more often will transpose phonemes or words in a sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 May 01 - 07:42 PM

The classic is of course Papageno in The Magic Flute. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 22 May 01 - 08:17 PM

I agree with radriano that it's no laughing matter for those afflicted. Although that's never been an obstacle to those making jokes... As a pediatrician with a special interest in children with developmental disorders, I'm not a big fan of songs that poke fun at people's disabilities.

By way of clarification, lots of 2-to-4-year-olds (approximately) have what's called "developmental dysfluency", in which they repeat a word or syllable several times. ("My, my, my, my ball is over here.") It seems to come from immaturity in the part of the brain that coordinates thought with speech--as if one track has to mark time until the other catches up. The children seem perfectly unconcerned about it, except when adults try to make them aware of it.

True stuttering, on the other hand, which affects about 1% of the population according to my references, also starts in the preschool years. It generally consists of repetition or prolongation of single sounds, often with excessive muscle tension in the speech and breathing apparatus. Most of the time children who stutter are distressed by it, and the increased effort to control the symptom often makes it worse. It can have a devastating effect on academic and social functioning. The earlier it is recognized and treated by an experienced speech pathologist, the more likely it is to resolve.

As far as I know, stammering refers to any speech problem in which words or sounds are repeated, including stuttering--which is a more restricted term. But usage, like your mileage, may vary.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 May 01 - 09:16 AM

Neither of my twins stutter, although one does tend to repeat, in a whisper, whatever he says. So he'll say something to you, and then repeat it to himself. I'm not sure if he's monitoring or what... reminds me of a great conversation had back in grad school:

Have you heard of Yes?
Yes.
Do you like Yes?
Yes.
Do you have echolalia?
No.
Do you know what echolalia is?
I thought it was a Yes album!


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 23 May 01 - 09:31 AM

I used to have a boss who stammered painfully when he was speaking face to face with someone, but whose speecsh was fluent and clear when he was on the phone. Is this usual? I guess it must be more psychological than physiological?


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: radriano
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:43 AM

It's not that unusual, Lyndi-loo. I've heard of a case of a guy who stuttered badly but never at work. He was a cop and, apparently, once he strapped his gun on he was fine.

I've performed music in public over the years and I'm much more fluent in front of a large audience than I am face to face with a single person.

It's my understanding that a lot of children go through periods of stuttering. The best thing to do is ignore it - in most cases it will go away. Now I'm not talking about severe stutters here but the kind of stammering that most people do in the normal course of speaking. Many people will repeat words and sounds when speaking, often as a result of just processing what they're thinking. The stutterer, however, experiences a sometimes total breakdown in the simple process of breathing out and forming sounds. Just imagine trying to walk, for example. Imagine that you want to walk across a room. All you have to do is put one foot in front of the other and move forward. You know which foot you want to start with but you can't seem to coordinate things. It's a simplified explanation but that's essentially stuttering in a nutshell.

Richard


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:48 AM

Good example, radriano. Also, for those of you who bowl, remember the old trick Count Your Steps? Throws the approach completely off. There seems to be something about trying to monitor an automatic process that derails the automatic process, which if left alone would just work fine. There is a theory that what stutterers have, rather than what they lack, is too much monitoring of their breathing to allow for the automatic overrides required by speech. Speech is, after all, holding your breath with patterns in how you let it out. Holding your breath is highly unnatural when your head is above water. Not that I think that dunking stutterers would work!


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: radriano
Date: 23 May 01 - 02:30 PM

Mrrzy, sorry about the thread creep I caused here but I just realized why I reacted so strongly to this. It's the thread title word "pathetically" - I realize it's part of a phrase from a song and not a description of stutterers. I believe the hairs on the back of my neck are going down now.

Richard


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Subject: RE: BS: Stammered and stuttered pathetically
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 May 01 - 03:27 PM

hey, no apolofy necessary, and it wasn't really thread creep anyway...

Down, hairs, down!


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Subject: Lyr Add: YOU TELL HER—I STUTTER (Rose/Friend)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 11:56 AM

Some discographies indicate that Homer and Jethro recorded this, but I haven't heard their version. They're famous for their parodies, but they did perform a few humorous songs "straight," that is, as written by others.

You can hear a recording by Billy Jones & Ernest Hare (The Happiness Boys) at The Internet Archive. They altered the lyrics to turn it into a dialog, which was their custom.

This is my transcription from the sheet music found at the Archive of Popular American Music at UCLA.


YOU TELL HER—I STUTTER
Words by Billy Rose. Music by Cliff Friend.
New York: Irving Berlin, Inc., 1922.

1. Bill McCloskey was a husky healthy handsome lad;
And McCloskey had
A pretty little girl by the name of Pearl
But McCloskey, big and husky, stuttered very bad
So when he wanted her to marry him,
He told her brother Jim.

CHORUS: You, you, you, you, you, you, you tell her
'Cause I, I, I, I, I, I stutter and
O, o, o, o, always get in dutch,
She, she, she, she, she, she ought to know,
I've a bun, bun, bun, bun, bungalow,
Where we two can raise a little
"Eefff, off eeff-a-soff-a-loff-a"
Help, help, help, help, help a feller,
And go, go, go, go, go and tell her
I've boo, boo, boo, boo, bought the ring and such,
I'm thinking ow, wow, wow, wow, of her
'Cause I low, wo, wo, wo, love her
So you, you tell her, oh you, you tell her 'cause I, I, stutter too much.

2. Her big brother told his mother what McCloskey said;
She said "Go ahead,"
And so he telephoned to McCloskey's home.
Billy grabbed a taxicab right to his sweetie's door,
He saw the family upon the porch,
And started in to roar.

CHORUS: You, you, you, you, you, you, you tell her
'Cause I, I, I, I, I, I stutter and
Some, some, some, someday I'll get in dutch.
When, when, when I hear the parson say,
Will you hon, hon, honor and obey?
I'm afraid that I will answer
"Eepp, eipp, gimmee a piece of peipp"*
When I'm in her poo, poo, parlor,
I ki, ki, cough and sneeze and holler
My tu, tu, tongue, and tonsils seems to touch.
And when I foo, foo, fool around her,
I'm a foo foo fraid I'll drown her.
So you, you tell her, oh you, you tell her 'cause I, I, stutter too much.


* A nonsense catch phrase that also occurs in EEP, IPE, WANNA PIECE OF PIE, recorded by Fats Waller much later.

Having spent much time transcribing this, I'm not sure it was worth it. But I'm embarked on a project to transcribe songs sung by Jones and Hare, and good taste won't stop me now!


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Subject: RE: Songs about stuttering / stammering
From: fat B****rd
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 03:55 PM

Willie Dixon "Nervous"


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Subject: RE: Songs about stuttering / stammering
From: giles earle
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 04:24 PM

Several here:

Stuttering songs


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Subject: RE: Songs about stuttering / stammering
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 04:39 PM

There are versions of Springfield Mountain that make me think of stuttering, but I don't know if that was what was intended.

-Joe-


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