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Lyr Req: Going Home (Dvorak)

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GUEST,gervaise_A@email.com 23 May 01 - 02:01 AM
alison 23 May 01 - 02:40 AM
alison 23 May 01 - 02:44 AM
GUEST 23 May 01 - 03:55 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 23 May 01 - 04:20 AM
manitas_at_work 23 May 01 - 07:50 AM
Mudlark 23 May 01 - 11:02 PM
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Uncle Jaque 23 May 01 - 11:16 PM
Mary in Kentucky 23 May 01 - 11:54 PM
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alison 24 May 01 - 01:35 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 24 May 01 - 04:59 AM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 24 May 01 - 04:57 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 24 May 01 - 05:14 PM
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Subject: Going Home
From: GUEST,gervaise_A@email.com
Date: 23 May 01 - 02:01 AM

I recently saw the movie, "The Snake Pit" (1949, I think). Someopne sang a beautiful song probably titled "Going Home". I'm looking for the midi, the soundtrack, the lyrics, MP3, whatever. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Gervaise


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: alison
Date: 23 May 01 - 02:40 AM

check out this thread .... it has several versions of lyrics.... hopefully its the same song...

the melody is the 2nd movement from the "New World Symphony" by Dvorak.. and should be easy to get hold of..... in the UK it is probably more famous for being the tune from the Hovis bread ads...... *grin*

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: alison
Date: 23 May 01 - 02:44 AM

the midi file is here

scroll down to Dvorak..... New World Symphony, 2nd movement ... largo...

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 01 - 03:55 AM

Dear Alison, Thanks for the help. It's the right one! We were in the UK 4 years ago. I'm sorry I missed the bread ads... it might have saved some time! Thanks again, Gervaise


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 23 May 01 - 04:20 AM

Jazz trumpeter/left-handed skiffle guitarist Ken Colyer (the man who REALLY started the skiffle boom in UK in the '50s)also wrote a song with this title, different words. It is credited as Colyer/Dvorak but the tune sounds nothing like the Spiritual or the classical version that Dvorak incorporated in the New World Symphony.
It is on the Van Morrison/Lonnie Donegan skiffle Live in Belfast concert CD. The original Colyer skiffle sessions have also been re-released recently with Sammy Rimmington (later better known as a reeds player) on mandolin and a banjo player I've forgotten for the moment (damn CRS) and of course Bill Colyer on washboard or suitcase.
RtS (useless knowledge by the bucketful useful by the thimble!)


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 23 May 01 - 07:50 AM

Apparently Dvorak heard the tune being played by a Scots piper on his visit to the US. It's actally a tune called "MacCrimmmon will return".


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Mudlark
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:02 PM

This is such a beautiful melody and it plays wonderfully well on a dulcimer in mix mode...

Mudlark


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:08 PM

Does anybody know if it has lyrics? "Going home, going home" seems to fit so well, but I have never heard any real lyrics for it. It's beautiful on the harp as well. (strung harp, I don't play "mouth harp/harmonica".


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:16 PM

I recently recorded it and played it at a Friend's funeral on a walnut low "G" open-holed flute, on which it is particularly haunting and evocative.
As I recall it is one of those really old ones that nobody seems to agree on where or when it originated - English trad, Negro/Slave Spiritual, Scottish pipe tune, or what.
Like "Morning Has Broken", "The Parting Glass", and a few others that seem to go back to a time before anybody remembers, or at least took the time to write them down.
There is something primal and mystical about them, isn't here?


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 23 May 01 - 11:54 PM

tsk, tsk, Sorcha (the search queen)...there have been several discussions about this one. Try Goin' Home in the search engine. I happened to remember my post.


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 May 01 - 12:16 AM

LOL! Mary, I did do a search on the Cat. Joe Offers' words came up (minimal) but that one didn't! I guess SuperSearch has holes in it. What I always hear is:
Going home,
Going home,
Going home with Jesus
and then nothing more........except beautiful melody. Gotta be some more lyrics out there, wouldn't you think?


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: alison
Date: 24 May 01 - 01:35 AM

Sorcha I put the link to the earlier lyrics thread in up towards the top of this thread.....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 24 May 01 - 04:59 AM

Sorcha's words sound like what I remember Paul Robeson singing, not the words in the earlier threads. According to the All-Music Guide he recorded it on, among,others, The Essential Paul Robeson (Vanguard) and Live at Carnegie Hall 1958. The Dvorak/Colyer version is sometimes referred to as Going Home to New Orleans to distinguish it. That starts:
Going home, Going Home
Back to New Orleans

I'll try to transcribe the KC lyrics when I get home and post them if I get time tomorrow.
RtS


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 May 01 - 04:57 PM

Musicologists have found no Negro, spiritual or any American antececent to Dvorak's melody. It is original with him. It is reminiscent of a Bohemian lullaby. However, the reference to MacCrimmon Will Return by Manitas makes me curious. I have heard piping of tunes with the same nostalgic flow, but I know the names of none of them.


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 May 01 - 05:14 PM

Just found a quote from Dvorak himself, in answer to origins of his New World melodies. "I did not really use any of the Negro and Indian melodies. I simply wrote original themes of my own and developed them, whereby I exploited all the possibilities of modern rhythm, harmonics, contrapuntal technique and orchestral colour." After the first performance (in Carnegie Hall), The press wrote that the composer had declared an allegiance to American music. Dvorak responded "The motifs are my own, and some I brought with me. That is and remains Czech music." An essay for an album for the Ninth Sym. (Munich, Kempf) by Kraemer states "It was only possible to confound American, Czech and "Indian" elements because at the time no one would see that the pentatonic scales (in the English Horn melody of the largo) and the syncopation in the first and third themes of the first movement are just as characteristic of Bohemian folk music as of Negro spirituals."


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 24 May 01 - 08:29 PM

I've never heard of a pipe piece called MacCrimmon will return and can find no references to one so far; the pibroch Cha Till MacCruimen (MacCrimmon will never return) bears no resemblance that I can hear to Dvorak's theme.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Going Home
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 24 May 01 - 11:24 PM

It's quite a stretch...but I hear some similarity.

MacCrimmon's Lament at Lesley's site, a g minor chord, melody line, G D D C D...

And Goin' Home, a G major chord, melody line, B D D, B A G...

Could it be, that when MacCrimmon returns, it's played in a major key? *BG*


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOIN' HOME (Colyer, Dvorak)
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 25 May 01 - 03:34 AM

Here is the Colyer version as rendered by Van and Lonnie referred to above. Apologies to Colyer's banjo player, John Bastable and Bill Cole on bass for not remembering their names.

GOIN'HOME
(Dvorak/Colyer)

Goin' home
He's goin' home
He'll be leavin' here today
But if he don't leave now
He won't be goin' nowhere

If home is where the heart is
Then my home's in New Orleans
Take me to that land of dreams
Lord and if I don't leave now
I won't be goin' nowhere

Goin' home
He's goin' home (yeah yeah)
He's leavin' here today
Well if you don't leave now
You won't be goin' nowhere

What you say
And what you do
Well it's tight like that
And I'm telling you
Well if I don't leave now
I won't be goin' nowhere (nowhere, nowhere)

Well if I don't leave now
I won't be goin' nowhere
Well if I don't leave now
I won't be goin' nowhere

Probably better notharvested for the DT as the Ken Colyer Trust guard his legacy jealously

RtS


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