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Lyr Req: Blackwaterside

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Subject: Blackwaterside
From: The Celtic Bard
Date: 23 May 01 - 07:40 PM

I've been looking for this song for a while. It isn't the one in the DT and I can't find any discussions on it in the forum. The first verse goes something like this:

I am a roving Irishman, you need not know my name
I've traveled all around the world but none can I claim
Of all the places I have been there is none I would compare
With beautiful Blackwaterside and my friends and loved ones there

The narrator then goes on to state that, although he's been all over, Blackwaterside is still more beautiful. Then he promises that someday he's going to settle down near Blackwaterside when he's done rambling. Great song. I would really appreciate the lyrics.

I have it on a CD titled "Irish Voices:The Best in Traditional Singing" on which it was done by Sean MacDonnchadha.

Thanks you guys.

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 May 01 - 08:59 PM

This one was asked for about a year back, but nobody had it.  Wasn't it Ron Kavana rather than Sean MacDonnchadna who sang it on that record, though?  Perhaps it might be best if you had a go at transcribing the words yourself and then posted them to this thread for a second opinion or two; it doesn't sound particularly like any of the Blackwater Side songs that I know of.

Malcolm


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKWATERSIDE
From: The Celtic Bard
Date: 23 May 01 - 10:37 PM

Considering I didn't even know about Mudcat until about a year ago, it's no wonder I missed that request.

Ok, I sat down and transcribed what I heard from the CD. It's posted below. However first I would like to post a disclaimer:

THE FOLLOWING VERSION IS NOT OFFICIAL. IT IS ONLY WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD ON THE CD.

BLACKWATERSIDE

I am a roving Irishman, you need not know my name
I've traveled all around the world but none can I claim
Of all the places I have been there is none I would compare
With beautiful Blackwaterside and my friends and loved ones there

I've been along the Hudson wide, the Thames, the Seine, and Rhine
Although they are all wonderful, there's none that is so fine
As the beautiful Blackwater that flows so wild and free
From North Cork through Formine(?), be all down by the sea

When I have done with rambling, never more to roam
I'll settle by Blackwaterside and there I'll build my home
I'll fish for trout and salmon there, plow the golden veil(?)
And happily live out me days where nature's ways prevail

I am a roving Irishman, you need not know my name...

There you go. That's what I thought I heard. Is there anybody out there that can correct my version?

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 May 01 - 10:40 PM

Well, "Formine" might be Fermagh.........I did a Google search and only came up with the one in the DT, which is not this one. I'll look some more.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: The Celtic Bard
Date: 25 May 01 - 01:45 AM

Thank you, Sorcha.

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 May 01 - 02:58 AM

No luck on the web......sorry. Hope you find it, and post it here so it can be found again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: DebC
Date: 25 May 01 - 09:22 AM

I have recorded a version of Blackwaterside on my two most recent albums "The Long Grey Line" and "The Banks of Green Willow". The lyrics can be found here

Cheers, Debra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: DebC
Date: 25 May 01 - 09:25 AM

Boy am I a Pinhead. They are actually here

Mea Culpa, Debra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: jeffp
Date: 25 May 01 - 09:27 AM

Plow the golden veil is probably Plow the golden vale; a vale being a valley, usually with a stream.

Looks like a lovely song.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Peg
Date: 25 May 01 - 09:47 AM

I figured you meant the version on the John Renbourne Band album, Maid in Bedlam...

which is the only version I am familiar with, and sung from the young woman's point of view...

"One morning as I took the air, down by Blackwaterside/ Twas gazing all around me, twas an Irish lad I spied..."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Peg
Date: 25 May 01 - 09:49 AM

...oh and just to let you know, these lyrics are VERY similar to the ones posted by the famously-talented Deb Cowan...

I would be happy to post the 'lil differences if anyone ifs at all interested...

Peg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: DebC
Date: 25 May 01 - 10:06 AM

I made a "mix-tape" for a friend of all the versions of Blackwaterside I have on albums. They numbered 8. The version I sing is a combo of Sandy Denny, Jacqui McShee, Mary Black, and a lifting of a couple of verses from "Folksongs of Britain and Ireland" collected by Peter Kennedy.

Deb


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 25 May 01 - 12:12 PM

All very interesting, but the Blackwaterside that Rebecca was asking about is a completely different song which just happens to share a title with one or two other songs.  The Blackwaterside recorded by everybody and his or her dog over the last thirty-odd years has been localised in a number of different places such as the "Shannon Side", the "River Side", the "Tanyard Side" and so on.  "Blackwaterside" was not the original title.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: GUEST,The Celtic Bard
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:29 PM

Jeffp, I'm not exactly sure what that last word is, only that it has to rhyme with prevail.

Sorcha, thanks for your effort.

As Malcolm stated, those versions listed ARE NOT the ones that I am looking for. Thank you for the effort anyway.

If I find the lyrics, I'll certain post them here.

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Noreen
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:02 PM

Celtic Bard, it will be From North Cork through Fermoy, which is where this Blackwater flows, then onto the sea at Youghal Harbour.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: The Celtic Bard
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 06:07 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Noreen.

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Brakn
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 07:41 PM

Debc
sound

Thank you


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 04:02 AM

I don't know the song, but i kmow the area.
As Noreen said, "North Cork through Formine(?), be all down by the sea"
Should read
"North Cork through Fermoy, by Youghal* down by the sea."
* Pronounced somewhere between "yawl" and "y'all"


"plow the golden veil(?)"
Should read
"Golden Vale" (Vale = valley)
The Golden Vale is a particularly fertile area covering parts of Cork, Tipp. & Limerick. IMHO, the writer is stretching things to bring it quite as far South as the Blackwater, but I guess that's poetic licence


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 04:09 AM

Or even,
"plow the golden veil(?)"
Should read
"Golden Vale"
(Vale = valley)
The Golden Vale is a particularly fertile area covering parts of Cork, Tipp. & Limerick. IMHO, the writer is stretching things to bring it quite as far South as the Blackwater, but I guess that's poetic licence.
If I can get the HTML right!


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKWATER SIDE (Clancy Brothers)
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:15 AM

John In Remote Kansas (JIRK) on Lin's cookie

Obviously a different song, but the Clancy Bros "The Irish Songbook" Oak Publs gives

Blackwater Side
"This is a conversation between two lovers overheard
one morning on the bank of the River Blackwater
in County Cork

One morning fair
As I chanced the air
Down by black water side
'Twas in gazing all around me
That an Irish girl I spied

All in the fore part
Of the night
They rolled in sport and play
Then this young man arose
and he put on his clothes,
Saying Far - el - dy well to-day.

That's not the promise you made to me
When you lay upon my breast;
You could make me believe with your lying tongue
That the sun rose in the west.

Go home, go home to your father's garden,
Go home and cry your fill;
And think of the sad misfortune
I brought on with my wanton will

There's not a flower in this whole world
As easily led as I;
And when fishes can fly and seas do run dry,
It is then that you'll marry I


Must confess I have a little trouble making sense of the lyric, but then it is a Clancy Bro.

Pardon the kink in the string.

John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:33 PM

Well, yes, John, those are pretty much the usual words of the song we're not discussing.  A slightly more accurate set is in the DT:  BLACKWATERSIDE

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: IvanB
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:55 PM

If the Clancy version actually changes the speaker back and forth as the lyrics imply, it certainly could be confusing. The DT version that Malcolm cites above (which corresponds to the lyrics with which I'm most familiar) seems completely logical since it's all written from the point of view of the young lady's perspective.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: The Celtic Bard
Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:46 PM

All very intersting but again not the song that I'm looking for.

Crazy Eddie: Thanks for the corrections.

Rebecca <><


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: GUEST,cailin
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 01:15 AM

I am looking for the version of Blackwaterside that Ron Kavana sings...."I am a rovin Irishman, you need not know my name" Anyone know it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 01:32 AM

RIGHT HERE I think.

~Susan


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKWATERSIDE (Ron Kavana)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 07:13 PM

Finally, the definitive version! I happen to own Ron Kavana's "Home Fire," and the lyrics are printed in the liner notes. (Is it still proper to call them "liner notes" although they're no longer printed on a "liner," which I presume is the paper sleeve that vinyl LP's used to come in? Anyway...)

The Celtic Bard's transcription was pretty good. Besides the corrections that have been mentioned already, there is also "but no home can I claim" in line 2.

BLACKWATERSIDE
(Ron Kavana)

I am a rovin' Irishman. You need not know my name.
I've travelled all around the world but no home can I claim.
Of all the places I have been, there's none I would compare
With beautiful Blackwaterside and my friends and loved ones there.

I've been along the Hudson wide, the Thames, the Seine and Rhine,
And 'though they are all wonderful, there's none that is so fine
As the beautiful Blackwater that flows so wild and free
From North Cork, through Fermoy, to Youghal down by the sea.

When I have done with ramblin', never more to roam,
I'll settle by Blackwaterside and there I'll build my home.
I'll fish for trout and salmon there, plough the Golden Vale,
And happily live out my days where nature's ways prevail.

    I wrote BLACKWATERSIDE during a period of severe homesickness whilst living in America. Although it is fairly typical of expatriate ballads in praise of "the old country," its sentiments are heartfelt. The river that runs from the Cork/Kerry border area known as Sliabh Luachra (the source of some great traditional music, much of which can be found on the Topic albums MUSIC FROM SLIABH LUACHRA Vols 1-6) through "Fermoy, to Youghal down by the sea" really is one of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen. I recorded a contemporary arrangement of this song on the LILT album "For the Children" (ET 191) but ... I originally meant this song to be sung as it appears here. – RK


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 08:51 PM

So he wrote it himself; I'm not surprised. I wasted a lot of time looking for sets of The American Stranger (which is clearly what Kavana's text was based on, Blackwater Side reference and all) and so on in case they were what Rebecca was looking for, but never found anything close enough. Now all is explained; thanks, Jim. If people wanting help would quote the exact composer credits on their compilation CDs, we could probably get them answers rather sooner.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackwaterside
From: AmyLove
Date: 16 Dec 16 - 10:01 PM

Thank you yet again, Mudcat - and Jim Dixon in this particular case. This is the only place online to find these lyrics, as far as I can tell.


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