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Singing in Manchester

John J 29 May 01 - 07:17 AM
Noreen 29 May 01 - 09:18 AM
John J 29 May 01 - 11:44 AM
Catrin 29 May 01 - 01:12 PM
Noreen 29 May 01 - 01:21 PM
John Routledge 29 May 01 - 01:21 PM
8_Pints 29 May 01 - 03:37 PM
John J at home 29 May 01 - 06:12 PM
John Routledge 29 May 01 - 06:25 PM
Noreen 29 May 01 - 06:42 PM
John Routledge 29 May 01 - 06:47 PM
Morticia 29 May 01 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,Judy Predmore from Boston USA 30 May 01 - 01:53 AM
John J 30 May 01 - 04:10 AM
Noreen 30 May 01 - 06:47 AM
Catrin 30 May 01 - 08:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 May 01 - 04:42 PM
8_Pints 30 May 01 - 06:05 PM
GUEST,Judy Predmore, Boston USA 31 May 01 - 03:09 AM
GUEST,Judy Predmore, Boston USA 31 May 01 - 03:23 AM
8_Pints 01 Jun 01 - 02:01 PM
Catrin 02 Jun 01 - 06:34 AM
Catrin 02 Jun 01 - 06:50 AM
GUEST,Terry Whelan 02 Jun 01 - 08:06 PM
John J at home 03 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM
Catrin 03 Jun 01 - 02:35 PM
8_Pints 04 Jun 01 - 01:12 PM
John Routledge 04 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM
John J at home 04 Jun 01 - 02:40 PM
8_Pints 04 Jun 01 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,Judy Predmore 15 Jun 01 - 02:32 PM
GUEST,Harry 15 Jun 01 - 05:53 PM
Noreen 15 Jun 01 - 08:24 PM
Judy Predmore 15 Jun 01 - 10:13 PM
Roughyed 16 Jun 01 - 03:29 AM
John J at home 16 Jun 01 - 03:54 AM
Judy Predmore 16 Jun 01 - 04:45 AM
Judy Predmore 16 Jun 01 - 08:16 PM
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Subject: Singing in Manchester
From: John J
Date: 29 May 01 - 07:17 AM

At the recent Yourkshire Gathering the possibility of meeting at the Jolly Angler on the first Monday night of the month was suggested. Guess what....next Monday is the first Monday of the month. Any takers?? The standard of singers and singing is really good. (although that's not strictly true: they let me sing).


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 01 - 09:18 AM

I'm planning to be at the Jolly on Monday, John. Looking forward to another good sing. All welcome: Jolly Angler, Ducie Street behind Piccadilly Station, central Manchester (UK!) from about 9pm.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:44 AM

Well that makes two of us! I think me mums coming too, so that's three. If I drink too much beer again I'll get double vision, so that will increase the number of singers....it could get crowded!


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Catrin
Date: 29 May 01 - 01:12 PM

ok, ok, ok I have been persuaded!

I've not been making it there recently for various reasons, but I will make a double and even treble effort to get there this Monday!

I will try and drag my friends 'rent-a-crowd' along too :)

Looking forward to this,

Cheers, *clink*

Catrin

P.S. Noreen - mine's a pint, if you get there first *grin*


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 01 - 01:21 PM

Hey- stranger! You taking Tuesday off work then?? :0) (What time you getting there...? OK, I'll buy !)


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John Routledge
Date: 29 May 01 - 01:21 PM

Will be attending at 9pm. Singing starts a little later.

Come along for a good "SONG" experience. Cheers GB


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 29 May 01 - 03:37 PM

Don't know yet if Sue and I can make it yet (she returns from Greece Sunday I think!), but Natalie is staying on awhile yet.

I need my social secretary to check this out. Damn, she is in Greece!

Anyway it was nice meeting John J & Noreen again last Monday after such a long break following the Yorkshire Gathering (*BG*).

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J at home
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:12 PM

GB: I'll bring the recipe for Elderflower Champagne with me on Monday, unless you want me to post it? John


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John Routledge
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:25 PM

Monday Fine John See you there Cheers


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:42 PM

John J- you could post it here if you think it would be of general interest- would we like it?

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John Routledge
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:47 PM

Sorry John - I am working on Old Fashioned Post By all means Post! Thanks Noreen


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Morticia
Date: 29 May 01 - 07:11 PM

Yes please John....I'd certainly like to have a recipe for another alcoholic beverage, you can never get enough of them, I say!


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Judy Predmore from Boston USA
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:53 AM

Noreen, Catrin, & Geordie, I don't check into the mudcat regularly. So this thread is just the motivation I needed to thank all the Manchester "Song Carriers" for the wonderful evening I had a couple of Wednesdays ago. (If I met anyone else who posted above, I apologize for not remembering all your mudcat names...)

I was right - The Song Carriers remained my favorite singing club / singers night for the rest of my trip. I visited 6 folk clubs & one weekend festival (Holmfirth) during my trip. Each was interesting & enjoyable in it's own way, but for me the Song Carriers was, (as Goldilocks would say), "just right". My favorite sessions are mostly unaccompanied traditional songs & ballads with an occassional contemporary song, tune, & a few instruments in the mix. Peppered with cheerful conversations about the people & the songs, in a small intimate room, with people who know each other really well, & are warm & welcoming to newcomers. Small enough for the whole group to join in the conversation, & large enough for a delightful variety of music. Talented, committed singers & players in a low key non-competitive atmosphere.

Thank you all for a wonderful evening!

Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J
Date: 30 May 01 - 04:10 AM

Looks like I missed a cracking do the other week....oh well. Sorry Morticia, but MOST unusually for me this recipe is non-alchoholic, but is very easy to make and tastes wonderful. I'll 'post' the recipe when I get home from work tonight. Cheers all. John


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 30 May 01 - 06:47 AM

Hi Judy, are you home now? It was lovely to meet you that evening, and I'm glad to hear about the rest of your trip. It was a very enjoyable evening, to which your lovely singing and songs (new to me) made a very important contribution.

It was a great surprise to find that this visitor from America was a mudcatter, when your visit had been arranged independently of mudcat.

Thanks for reporting back, and keep in touch!

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Catrin
Date: 30 May 01 - 08:43 AM

Judy,

I echo Noreen's sentiments - it WAS lovely to meet you and hear your songs (sung so sweetly too)

Here's to Mudcat bringing people together, from all over the world :)

Thanks from me too, for reporting back,

Catrin


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 01 - 04:42 PM

Bugger! 1st Mondays are generaly a guest night at the Lion. Can we meet on the 2nd or 4th as well? I never feel as guilty at taking a singers night off:-) Or hows about meeting at the Lion on the 2nd or 4th as well?

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 30 May 01 - 06:05 PM

Hi Judy,

Did I recall that you sang a wonderful Graeme Miles song?

I'd love the lyrics & tune.

Is this the same Graeme that wrote "The Shores of Old Blighty"?

Glad you made it over here to visit us.

It was lovely to see you.

Bob vG (+ occasional pipes)


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Judy Predmore, Boston USA
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:09 AM

(Pardon my borrowing this thread, I'm not intending to hijack it...)

8_Pints, I'm always glad to hear the small pipes, to remind me how lovely pipes can be...

Yes, I sang "Where Ravens Feed", the title song of Martyn Wyndham-Read's new CD of Graeme Miles songs. "The Shores of Old Blighty" is on the Wilsons' 1984 LP of Graeme Miles songs.

I went to the Wilsons' folk club in Wolviston, Durham. Not many people there, but when the choruses came around, the room filled with awesome harmony...

I went to the Holmfirth Festival to meet Graeme Miles at his songbook launch, (unfortunately the books weren't ready, but Martyn's CD was...). Graeme was very gracious, warm, & friendly. I'd always wanted to contact him to see if I could get some tapes of his unrecorded songs. If he thought "El Dorado" was a throwaway song, I'll bet there are alot more gems in his 300 song reportoire. He actually offered to send me some tapes, (since I don't read music...) He realizes that he hasn't been as active as he would've liked, to get more of his songs out there. I couldn't record them, but it will be enjoyable just spreading them around in person, hoping they will eventually get around to people who will record them so they reach even more people...

As for the words & music to "When Ravens Feed", I learned it from tapes of Martyn's concerts, not exactly how it is on the CD, so I'd want to listen to the CD again before I wrote them down. As for the music, I'm not musically or PC literate, so the best I could do is sing it over the phone. I've learned a few songs that way, but I'd recommend buying Martyn's "When Ravens Feed" CD from www.martynwyndhamreed.com or www.fellside.com Martyn sings it alot better than me...

Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Judy Predmore, Boston USA
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:23 AM

8_pints, Good grief, I spelled Martyn's website wrong, it's read, not reed.

Noreen & Catrin, Glad to connect again, now that I'm home. I was going to post on the mudcat to plan to meet up with mudcatters, but my 2 week vacation was quite ambitious, & I was already meeting up with people I knew in each place I visited except Manchester. And I'm mostly a mudcat lurker. (By the time I read a thread, most everything I'd want to say has been said...) I should get a mudcat T shirt though - I probably met more mudcatters & didn't even know it!

Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 02:01 PM

Judy,

Thanx for the web-site reference.

I'll certainly get the CD. :-)

Bye4Now,

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Catrin
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 06:34 AM

Refreshing this for my mate Terry who was looking for it! (he's the guy that runs the Wednesday night folk club at the Ducie Arms!)

HELL TERRY HEE HEE

See you soon,

Catrin


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Catrin
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 06:50 AM

That should, of course, read 'hello', not 'hell' grin...


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Terry Whelan
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 08:06 PM

dear judy

thanks for your complimentary remarks. it was a good night and it is good to know that our endeavours to live up to our name of the songcarriers who cherish and carry the traditon with care is enjoyed and shared.

take care

terry whelan


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J at home
Date: 03 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM

Would that be The Songcarriers that was run by Steve Mayne, well known bus driver, in the 1970s?

John


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Catrin
Date: 03 Jun 01 - 02:35 PM

Yes JohnJ,

although Steve doesn't carry the songs any more, terry whelan does (see above). Catch it at the Ducie arms (behind Manchester Uni, John Rylands) every wednesday night from 9.30ish onwards.....


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 01:12 PM

Hi JohnJ,

Also frequented by a few other 'Catters.

Bob vG

PS Sue is on the 23.30 flight tonight so won't be able to make the Jolly Angler. :=(


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John Routledge
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM

Will be making both Jolly Angler and Ducie. Catters can take appropriate action *BG* GB


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J at home
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:40 PM

GB: I'll come to the pub anyway! (With me mum tonight). Sorry you can't be there tonight Bob, see you next time I hope....best wishes for Sue on her flight. Tell her not to look down!


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 07:34 PM

The eagle has landed - at about 11.30, so it was a bit late for me to come to the Jolly Angler, but I hope to see you on Wed at the Ducie, providing I'm back from Cumbria!

Judy, the song I would love to learn is "Here's to the laddies". I thought it was great. Did you say it was written by a friend of yours? I would also like to add my regards to you, it was wonderful to meet you!

Love Sue vG xxxx


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Judy Predmore
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:32 PM

8 Pints, You caught me! Glad you refreshed the thread.

The song is "Drink to the Laddies" by Sue West, currently of York, Maine, a ballad expert who's written several songs over the years, including a ballad Sheila Stewart (of Blairgowrie) wanted to learn. I don't know if Sue's written any other chorus songs.

I'll ask Sue if she'd like the lyrics posted on the Mudcat.

I have a zillion things going on right now. If you don't hear from me in a couple of weeks, email me at judypredmore@webtv. I can send you a tape of the song, but that might take me even longer than getting the lyrics to you... Or I could sing it to you over the phone.

Do any of you have a photo or two of some of the Song Carrier singers that I might've met that night, (with or without some I didn't meet)? I take so few photos, I often leave my camera in my room, especially if I'm lugging my tape recorder around... I'd love a photo to remember the evening. It'll probably be another year or two before I get back there...

Keep in touch, Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: GUEST,Harry
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 05:53 PM

Would local Mudcatters like to give the Open Door Folk Club a try? The club's every Sunday at the Bull's Head on Oldham Road, near MacDonalds on the Failsworth/Newton Heath border. The club has recently been taken over by Pauline Westall who has put a tremendous amount of effortinto re-energizing the it. There's a trad bias but we do welcome contemporary singers and musicians. We book a guest every month-upcoming:- John Brindley; Dave Jones; Geoff Higginbottom;Tap the Barrel; Lynn and Barry Hardman.PLUS--in October a two-day event with Joan Blackburn, Brian Peters, Jez Lowe and Pete Coe. Anyone interested in getting a Pub-Prop sorted out will find Brian there too. Seperate room and plenty of time to drink up. I'm determined to sell you this one!


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 08:24 PM

You're doing a good job, Harry! See you there sometime.

Judy, have a look at the pics from the Yorkshire Gathering. Some of the people from that night can be seen there- Sue vG and Bob (8_pints), Geordie Broon, and me. Catrin was there too but I don't think she's in any of my pics, for some reason. Reset your Cookie (under Quick links in the drop-down menu at top of this page) and there may be PMs waiting for you!

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Judy Predmore
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:13 PM

Noreen, Thanks for motivating me to re-set my cookie. No pm's, but all my traced threads are back, & now I can trace some more. Traces save more time than re-setting my cookie a zillion times, don't know why that didn't occur to me before...

And thanks for the link to the photos. I wouldn't have recognized the 4 of you without the labels, but you do look familiar. The Yorkshire gathering was so close to when I was in England, but I just couldn't extend my trip for it. (Good thing - I had just enough travelling after 2 weeks...) But now I can see what I was missing. Maybe I'll make it someday...

Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Roughyed
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 03:29 AM

I remember Steve Mayne singing 'The Bonnie Black Hare' in the Duke of York, Eccles. To give you some idea of the power of his performance it was around thirty years ago. Great singer.


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: John J at home
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 03:54 AM

Good heavans, the Duke of York....that brings back memories, I used to sing there. Noreen, let me know when you want to go to the Bull; I'll meet you up there.


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Judy Predmore
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:45 AM

Noreen, I found lots more photos in the mudcat resources photos, including a much better picture of you - now I really recognize you... Last time I looked at mudcat photos was a long time ago - there are alot more photos now. Maybe I'll have a friend scan one of me & post it... Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: Judy Predmore
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:16 PM

8_pints, "Drink to the Laddies" is already on the Digital Tradition. It must have Sue's permission, because it's got her copyright. The verse & chorus have the same tune. There is one typo, should be "they'll tell the truth on the day the pigs fly".

It's a tricky chorus. It seems easy, but everyone mixes up the order of beer, wine, & whiskey. Even when people get to know it well, then they think they don't have to think about it & mess it up again. I know - I still mess it up sometimes. But everyone loves it, so it's worth it, even though it's not a perfect chorus song.

Cheers! Judy


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:38 PM

Judy,

That's great!

Many thanx.

Have emailed JPEG of John & I at the Yorkshire Gathering if you haven't already encountered it.

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:25 PM

Sue & I intend to call in at the Jolly Angler as per JohnJ's suggested first "Monday in the Month" proposed at the Yorkshire Gathering.

Hope to see other 'Catters there also.

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 22 Aug 01 - 08:24 PM

There looks like being a fantastic night for singing at the Ducie on Saturday, 22nd Sept, 2001. People are coming from all over the place for a dedication event for Ewan MacColl the following day. So far the list includes :- Alison McMorland, Peggy Seeger, Bob Blair, Kevin and Ellen Mitchell, Terry Whelan, Jimmy Carroll and more!!! It seems to be THE place to be if you're interested in fine traditional singing. It will probably begin at about 8pm. See you there!

Sue vG


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Subject: RE: Singing in Manchester
From: 8_Pints
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 07:43 PM

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