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smoking makes you stupid

GUEST,Mr. Butts 29 May 01 - 10:38 PM
catspaw49 29 May 01 - 10:42 PM
hesperis 29 May 01 - 10:52 PM
GUEST,confused non-smoker 29 May 01 - 11:02 PM
Peg 29 May 01 - 11:06 PM
catspaw49 29 May 01 - 11:07 PM
Chicken Charlie 29 May 01 - 11:08 PM
Amos 30 May 01 - 12:41 AM
Little Hawk 30 May 01 - 01:23 AM
hesperis 30 May 01 - 01:52 AM
Gervase 30 May 01 - 05:39 AM
kendall 30 May 01 - 05:53 AM
GUEST 30 May 01 - 07:26 AM
Catrin 30 May 01 - 08:46 AM
Patrish(inactive) 30 May 01 - 08:52 AM
Kim C 30 May 01 - 09:48 AM
Mrrzy 30 May 01 - 10:05 AM
Jim the Bart 30 May 01 - 10:28 AM
UB Ed 30 May 01 - 10:52 AM
Kim C 30 May 01 - 10:57 AM
Rick Fielding 30 May 01 - 11:10 AM
Mrrzy 30 May 01 - 11:10 AM
nutty 30 May 01 - 11:13 AM
mousethief 30 May 01 - 11:38 AM
Peg 30 May 01 - 11:39 AM
mousethief 30 May 01 - 11:48 AM
UB Ed 30 May 01 - 11:52 AM
kendall 30 May 01 - 01:02 PM
Kim C 30 May 01 - 01:52 PM
JedMarum 30 May 01 - 02:03 PM
Rick Fielding 30 May 01 - 03:06 PM
Matt_R 30 May 01 - 03:15 PM
Kim C 30 May 01 - 03:21 PM
GUEST 30 May 01 - 03:22 PM
GUEST,Blind Drunk in Blind River 30 May 01 - 03:32 PM
GUEST 30 May 01 - 06:35 PM
Peg 30 May 01 - 09:24 PM
kendall 30 May 01 - 09:43 PM
Peg 30 May 01 - 09:57 PM
Amos 31 May 01 - 01:56 AM
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Kim C 31 May 01 - 10:45 AM
Peg 31 May 01 - 10:48 AM
catspaw49 31 May 01 - 11:26 AM
catspaw49 31 May 01 - 11:54 AM
Ebbie 31 May 01 - 12:03 PM
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Subject: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST,Mr. Butts
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:38 PM

Findings published recently in the New England Journal of Medicine show that an average pack a day smoker's brain functions at only 86% of the level of the average non-smoker.

The explanation is that smokers' brains receive significantly less oxygen through the blood than those of non-smokers. With less oxygen, the brain functions less well.

In effect, smoking makes you stupid.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:42 PM

tHa nKs for leTtIng US knOw. MuCCH oBlGeD.

now bugger off

Spaw


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: hesperis
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:52 PM

LOL!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST,confused non-smoker
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:02 PM

Umm Spaw, I just read these thread titles all lined up at the top of the list:
smoking makes you stupid
Polygamy
BS: Vegemite and Marmite - - The CHOICE
What color is your underwear
POL:IT'S ALL ABOUT LITTLE HAWK
Why are you writing a silly piss off message to this one in particular?


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Peg
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:06 PM

I would agree smoking is stupid.

So is drinking to excess, overeating, taking too many over-the-counter or prescription drugs, not getting enough exercise, or exposing oneself to undue stress.

Lots of us do unhealthy, stupid things.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:07 PM

Because I've already posted equally stupid crap to the others (except Polygamy). Hope this doesn't trouble you too much.....I see you've already forgotten your own name as has the gumdrop who started this one. Try to adjust.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:08 PM

Like post flamers on Mudcat? Yeah, there's dum and there's dum.

CC


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:41 AM

The current edition of Nature magazine features an indepth peer-reviewed analysis and cites nictonine as a cognitive enhancer. Go figger. Maybe smokers are twice as smart with half the effort?

A


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:23 AM

Really? Smoking makes you stupid? I thought it was the other way around...

- LH


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: hesperis
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:52 AM

Maybe the good effects of nicotine are taken away by the bad effects from all the other stuff that's in them?

Or maybe it was nicotine in pure form, not nicotine in smoke form?

LH - GOOD point, lol!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Gervase
Date: 30 May 01 - 05:39 AM

Depends what you smoke. After some of the hybridised home-grown I've known I can barely raise my IQ to room-temperature.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: kendall
Date: 30 May 01 - 05:53 AM

I dont think anyone who has never smoked has a right to judge those who did or do. It has nothing to do with IQ, anymore than being attracted to women/men who are not good for us, and, who among us hasn't?


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 01 - 07:26 AM

The New England Journal of Medicine study that Mr. Butts cites was widely reported in the mass media two or three months ago. I saw the story in the New York Times, on CNN and on NBC.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Catrin
Date: 30 May 01 - 08:46 AM

duh! don't understand nuffin of wot this thred is abowt.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 30 May 01 - 08:52 AM

me neither...........


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Kim C
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:48 AM

I smoke a cigar now and then. I recently took an IQ test that said I was above average. Maybe if I leave off the cigars and eat more Smarties I could get into Mensa.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:05 AM

Always remember, correlation is not causation. And (since I quibble), everyone always has the right to judge everyone at all times, regardless of their knowledge of what they are judging. It's called "forming an opinion" and is a fundemental right. The problem arises when judges act on their judgments in the absence of facts. That's called prejudice. And somehow, prejudice against smokers (or fat people, but that's another thread) is allowed, whereas other types are not. I have a dream...I'm waiting for the day when people will not be judged by the color of their nicotine-stained fingers!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:28 AM


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: UB Ed
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:52 AM

Well, I haven't smoked for 11 days now. Just yesterday I was able to remember the dog's name. Clearly I'm missing my nicotene edge (one of THE basic food groups). Here's hoping I get on the upward side of the smarty curve with the elevated brain oxygen.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Kim C
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:57 AM

Maybe it's something in the water. We all drink water, and so many of us are stupid.............. (ducking and running)


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:10 AM

Went to a MENSA gathering about 10 years ago (forced by a friend). Now there's "boring" and then there's "stupifyingly boring"! A visit to "Neurotics Anonymous" would have been a lot more fun. In the words of another anonymous poster, "Phooey"!

Rick


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:10 AM

GO, UBEd! Keep right on not smoking, and bully for you!
... and KimC, water has long been correlated with all kinds of things, so definitely to be wary! LOL!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: nutty
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:13 AM

Such statements mean absolutely nothing unless precisely defined.

What exactly is meant by "average", " significantly less" or "stupid".

I was a smoker for over 30 years and during that time I achieved a teachinhg certificate ... a number of diplomas and advanced diplomas and a Master of Arts Degree ...achieving the later while running a house , raising a child and holding down a full time teaching job.I suggest that without the cigarettes , high stress levels would have done similar damage to my interlectual capabilities.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:38 AM

After some of the hybridised home-grown I've known I can barely raise my IQ to room-temperature.

Fahrenheit or Celsius?

I passed the Mensa admissions test, but decided not to join when I got the flyer with all the Mensawear in it -- t-shirts, key rings, polo shirts, frisbees, good heavens what a lot of dreck. And the thought of going to a meeting with a bunch of people, the only thing you have in common with is IQ -- what a bore!

"So what's your IQ?"
"143, what's yours?"
"174."
"Wow."
"Yeah."
"Um...."
"Oh, look at the time!"

So I figure anybody who is eligible to enter Mensa but doesn't it smarter than anybody who did. :)

(Actually it means you're very good at taking a certain kind of test -- big whoop! That and $3.80 will get me a Venti chai at my favorite cafe.)

Alex


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Peg
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:39 AM

I used to smoke. I smoked yucky cigarettes: Camel Lights and Marlboro Lights. I smoked while I was an avid runner, even. I was in grad school and my office and mailbox were on the 4th floor of a bulding where the elevator was only for the handicapped. I started noticing I could not get to the top flight of stairs without wheezing (despite running 4-5 miles every day). Stopped smoking; no more wheezing.

Sadly I discovered "good" cigarettes right when I decided to quit: Exports, Dunhill,s Nat Sherman's, English Ovals...

I can still smoke an occasional cigarette but usually get light-headed and nauseous quickly...keeps me off 'em.

I do smoke pot occasionally though...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:48 AM

What's the difference between a yucky cigarette and a good cigarette?

-an inquiring mind


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: UB Ed
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:52 AM

All cigarettes are good! All! ALL! HAHAHAHAHa....


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: kendall
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:02 PM

JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED. I know at least one smoker pretty well, Jeri, and she is a long way from stupid. In fact I admire her clarity of thought. Curmudgeon also smokes, I dont know him well, but, I didn't see any evidence that he is not threaded all the way on.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Kim C
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:52 PM

Well, Alex, it's like this.........

I smoked cigarettes in college some, and there is a BIG difference in the taste of a Camel (which I used to smoke) and a Dunhill (which I used to smoke when I had a little more money). A "good" cigarette is smoother and doesn't "burn" as much. With tobacco, just like everything else, you get what you pay for.

Nowadays, I only want a cigarette if there is some great emotional upheaval going on. When my stepmother called Mister and me up to the hospital because my dad was dying, the first thing I said to Paul was, have you got any cigarettes? Because we're going to need a pack.

I practically chain-smoked (Camels!) for three days. When the funeral was over, I had my cigar, and that was that. Haven't had a cigarette since. Although I will probably want one when Fathers Day comes around this year...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: JedMarum
Date: 30 May 01 - 02:03 PM

... smoking makes you stupid? I think I would change that sentence to say "smoking dope makes you stupid!" I am convinced frequent, long term pot smoking reduces your intelligence.

I'm not too bothered about cigarettes. Don't smoke, don't mind those who do, don't mind being around it, but pot on the other is insidious!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 May 01 - 03:06 PM

Damn it Jed, show a little respect for your President!!! Ha Ha!

Rick


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Matt_R
Date: 30 May 01 - 03:15 PM

Get 'em Jed!!


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Kim C
Date: 30 May 01 - 03:21 PM

Never cared for pot. Made my contact lenses stick to my eyeballs. Not to mention that everyone can easily smell what you've been doing.

I'll stick to cigars and spirits, thank you.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 01 - 03:22 PM

What president? I'm still hoping Gore will come trhough...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST,Blind Drunk in Blind River
Date: 30 May 01 - 03:32 PM

Yeah right. What would you Fin Fowkies know about it? So, Whio are you calleing sutpid? I snmoke all the teime and do I look tupid? Do I? I smoke cigs and I smoke weed. All I can get, which is enough most of the time, ecsdept when my dork brother smokes it all first, eh? I have not notice any bad effecs from eether one. Or both. Witchever. If enyone tries to take away my rite to smoke anytime I want to I will kick his ass. Pot is not insideous, its' transemdental, man! Woud I know a word like that if I was stupid? I dont think so. Case Fin closed.

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 01 - 06:35 PM

Does smoking make you stupid or is it a predisposition to being stupid that makes one take up smoking?

Obviously, smoking is a pretty stupid thing to do.

The evidence in this thread suggests that many Mudcatters are smokers.

That must explain why the most popular discussion topics at Mudcat includes the color of one's underwear and how often one changes his/her underwear.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Peg
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:24 PM

Jed;

with all due respect, smoking cigarettes and cigars is far more likely to cause cancer of the liungs, throat, or esophagus than smoking marijuana.

Marijauna has been prove to have medical applicationsl cigarettes do not. Pure tobacco, who knows? very few smoke it any more.

Smoking too much pot (daily consumption) will no doubt have a negative effect; so will doiing too much of anything over time. I know plenty of people, myself included, who smoke marijuana occasionally (once a week or less) and are intelligent, and highly produtive members of society...they miss less work from illness than cigarette smokers, for one thing...and certainly are much healthier than alcoholics...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: kendall
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:43 PM

I tried pot a couple of times, didn't like the feeling of loss of control and paranoia. On the other hand, smoking pot and having sex at the same time was a real hoot! Havn't had either for some time now, but, I have a great memory.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Peg
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:57 PM

kendall;

now that a lot of the pot available in the US is grown hydroponically, much of it is VERY strong and the usual 2 or 3 tokes has a much stronger effect than it used to. In the old days you could smke a whole joint for whatever and different varieties from different countries (Columbia, Mexico, Thailand, etc.) had very different effects. The whole ritual of smoking is now altered forever, because most people can't handle more than a puff or two...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Amos
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:56 AM

Gee -- I have smoked all my life, and even my most energetic detractors don't call me stupid, although they somehow come up with a lot of other things to call me. I went to Mensa, qualified, but found it abysmally uninteresting and left.

And I have to say I concur with the highly intelligent analysis by Kendall Morse, obviously a man of elevated analytical ability, when he states that the error in all this is in the judging. This is so true that one step on the path to genuine enlightenment, I am told, is to recover the ability to willingly be a _____ person -- where the blank contains all the attributes you use for those who should be locked up, shot, sent back to where they came from, kept indoors, made illegal, or otherwise kept safely beyond the borders of your world.

Once you recover the ability to tolerate ALL those abhorred identities without judgement, and even wear them or drop them at will, why, you're half-way off the Wheel right there!!!

A


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: JedMarum
Date: 31 May 01 - 10:45 AM

Leave it to me to insult my casual pot smoking friends with one careless attempt at humor! I'm sure the occasional use of pot doesn't make you stupid ... but I am convinced long term abuse does. And I was half playing on the title of the thread rather then making a serious social statement. Sorry about that.

And as for my president??? Well, his occasional verbal twists remind me of some heavy dope smokers I've known - but I don't suppose he's touched reefer for years! Now, his daughters on the other hand ...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Kim C
Date: 31 May 01 - 10:45 AM

There are a lot of things in this world that are stupid but we do them anyway. It's called FUN.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Peg
Date: 31 May 01 - 10:48 AM

no problem Jed, and I was not insulted at all...

cuz I know you do make a valuable point, and I HAVE seen the effects of chronic, long-term pot smoking and it DOES seem to have an effect on peoples' synapses; then again I would not know if that was also due to the use/abuse of other drugs over the years in tandem with marijuana, including LSD or alcohol...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 May 01 - 11:26 AM

Like the rest of you, I found the Mensa experience very weird. Boring? Oh yeah........and there seems to be a requirement to check your humor at the door.

Pot is such a riot though. I quit a long time ago, but there have been times since that I would have loved a joint! The paranoia and the sense of movement in combination though............I'm completely goofed up, trying to drive home and I am crawling along at probably 10 mph on a state highway and one side of my mind is yelling, "SLOW DOWN!!! TOO FAST!!! TOO FAST!!!" The other side is screaming, "GO FASTER FOOL!!! If the cops see you your ass is going to jail....FASTER!!!" I finally managed to pull into a restaurant parking lot and pass out.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 May 01 - 11:54 AM

Oh yeah..........and Jed, here's one you'll enjoy in the spirit that it's sent......"The Dukes of D.C."...Let it load, it's worth it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 01 - 12:03 PM

Ah ha! That explains your dichotomy, Spaw! LOL


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Matt_R
Date: 31 May 01 - 12:08 PM

Kendall on pot...now there's an image I DIDN'T need.


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: kendall
Date: 31 May 01 - 12:20 PM

Sorry Matt, but, old folks like to look back! hehehe


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: Matt_R
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:31 PM

Unlike Dylan in the movies...


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Subject: RE: smoking makes you stupid
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:45 PM

Approximately 1100 Americans died prematurely yesterday from cancers, heart attacks and strokes caused by their smoking. A similar number will die today and again tomorrow.

In all, more than 400,000 Americans have died, or will die, from smoking in 2001. By contrast, 40,000 Americans died in the Vietnam war.

Smoking, a stupid way to die.


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