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Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong

Peter T. 30 May 01 - 09:21 AM
Mountain Dog 30 May 01 - 09:54 AM
SINSULL 30 May 01 - 09:57 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 30 May 01 - 10:00 AM
Mrrzy 30 May 01 - 10:00 AM
Jim the Bart 30 May 01 - 10:03 AM
sian, west wales 30 May 01 - 10:08 AM
Peter T. 30 May 01 - 10:10 AM
catspaw49 30 May 01 - 10:21 AM
InOBU 30 May 01 - 10:42 AM
Noreen 30 May 01 - 11:23 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 30 May 01 - 11:25 AM
mousethief 30 May 01 - 11:30 AM
chip a 30 May 01 - 11:54 AM
Don Firth 30 May 01 - 12:04 PM
RichM 30 May 01 - 12:08 PM
GUEST,Karen 30 May 01 - 12:14 PM
JedMarum 30 May 01 - 12:21 PM
Jim Dixon 30 May 01 - 12:22 PM
Bat Goddess 30 May 01 - 12:36 PM
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Little Hawk 30 May 01 - 12:38 PM
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Liz the Squeak 31 May 01 - 01:57 AM
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Subject: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:21 AM

Every once in awhile I come across a little fact that I know to be absolutely true, that I have built whole edifices upon, not a big fact, just something I have never doubted for a minute, and then it is revealed to be wrong. I usually rejoice over these -- who wants to be carrying around lies? -- but these little things do wobble the edifice. Last night I decided to get down the chords of "Silver Threads and Golden Needles" (because I am of course unhappy in my mansion), and I go to a site, and there are the wrong lyrics in the first line!: "I don't want your lonely mansion with a tear in every room". I try another, and the same lyric! And then it dawns on me: I have always heard it wrong. I always heard it: "I don't want your lonely mansion with a TV in every room", which I have used on innumerable occasions for the past 35 years as a symbol of angst (and is a BETTER LINE!!!). But, where I go to now in life I do not know, I am unsettled, perturbed, etc. Any other facts I should know that aren't?

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:54 AM

Lest it plunge you further into despair, I trust you already knew that in her magnum opus, "Angel of the Morning", Juice Newton's sweet request that you "...just brush my teeth before you leave" was a mondegreen of the first water?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:57 AM

And poinsettias are not poisonous to pets.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:00 AM

and two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:00 AM

I thought they were poisonous to children, though... Is that wrong? What about Don't drink water after eating apricots?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:03 AM

Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers!!

Proving, once again, that facts are highly overrated. It's your world, Peter T., make it up any way you want to.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: sian, west wales
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:08 AM

Mohair sweaters are not made from the hair of moes, and the the fourth line of God Save the Queen is not, "send her six story books".

sian


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:10 AM

I see that there is evidence that placebos don't actually have the placebo effect. Even the things that don't work don't work!!!

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:21 AM

Once again, if you take cranberries and stew them like prunes, they taste much more like applesauce than rhubarb does.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: InOBU
Date: 30 May 01 - 10:42 AM

When saying prayers as a ween "Pity mice and plicity" (pity my simplicity)... I grew up with great pity for mice, was I wrong? Larry
PS What the F is plicity?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Noreen
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:23 AM

Don't drink water after eating apricots? What, ever?? Please explain, Mrrzy...


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:25 AM

Larry, I always thought it was "pity my simple city" (Birmingham in my case!)
RtS


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:30 AM

I like the idea of pitying mice. They have such a rough time of it, poor little critters. I'm sure we can think of something for "plicity" to mean.

Peter, I saw the thing about the placebo effect, too. Kinda makes you lose all faith in double-blinded studies. If there is no placebo effect, what exactly are we discovering?

Alex


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: chip a
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:54 AM

Well Shoot!,

I've spent the last week polishing "Old Kentucky Home" to perfection on the banjo. (Some would think that to be an impossibility) I was doing this from my memory of the tune and for a few days I'd had a little nagging thing in my head about it. So......last night I checked it out in a songbook. A songbook that was within inches of me all week as I sat in my favorite chair working on this damn song. I HAD IT WRONG!!!! WAY, WAY WRONG!!!!! Hey, sometimes there're lots of versions of the same song, right? Peter T, I feel your pain!

Chip A.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:04 PM

Don't use naugahyde. Naugas are an endangered species.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: RichM
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:08 PM

Maybe we need a new facts machine....


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:14 PM

Growing up I went to a parochial school and was taught that "Limbo" was the place where unbaptized babies went after they died. We were painted a wonderful picture of a happy garden-like place where babies could play all day. They were "as happy as they could be outside the presence of God." I was relieved to know these babies would be well-treated in the After Life.
The Vatican decided that was not correct after all and did away with the whole concept! Just wiped it out completely! No more Limbo!
I hate the idea that I took the time to learn something only to be told years later, "No, sorry, it was a silly idea to begin with. Just forget all about it."


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: JedMarum
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:21 PM

... when my boys grew up, they pissed off to find that most people think the tooth fairy is a she not a he (no wonder Dad always smirked when he talked about putting those teeth under the pillow).


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:22 PM

To clarify matters: Yes, it may be true that placebos don't have the placebo effect, but that doesn't mean that placebos aren't useful in double-blind studies. In fact, you can't construct a double-blind study without them. As I understand it, any conclusion based on a study in which a placebo was used will not be changed because of this new information.

Studies have also shown that people don't act nuttier when the moon is full, and that there is no increase in suicides and other emergencies around Christmas or any other holiday. Both of these ideas were once widely believed by mental health workers, ambulance drivers, police, etc.

Guess what: I read the other day that Easter lilies are poisonous. Do you suppose the old story about poinsettias just got transferred to a different holiday plant?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:36 PM

Poinsettias CAN make cats who eat them very, very sick (which they will proceed to do all over the floor). And I had an apparently healthy cat suddenly grow extremely lethargic and be found dead (under the Christmas tree, as a matter of fact) after POSSIBLY nibbling on poinsettias. I, too, have it from reliable sources that ingesting poinsettias is not fatal, but I prefer not to have them around (unfortunately because I find them rather attractive) for fear of cat nibbles. Cats don't seem to bother other euphorbias which have the same icky stuff inside.

Bat Goddess who misses Inquiry, the black cat


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:36 PM

I had a cat absolutely mow down a pointsettia, and she seemed to suffer no ill effects (except dirty looks and harsh words from me, which of course bothered her not at all).

Alex


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:38 PM

It's also completely untrue that if you die in a dream then you actually die and never wake up. I died in a dream a good ten years ago (got shot, in fact, and rose up as a spirit right out of my dead body) and here I am telling you about it right now.

Oh, yeah, and there are no alligators living in the New York City sewers.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:42 PM

Bat Goddess, sorry about your cat. Maybe she ate some holly berries?
Here's a site that tells of different poisonous holiday plants Click Here


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: kendall
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:51 PM

There no alligators in NY sewers. Absolutly not. Think about it, alligators are cold blooded, they need the heat of the sun to get them going, and they would freeze to death in NY. What would they eat? Ed Norton?

10 years ago, our friend Kathy Westra and Joe Hickerson gave me a book for my birthday titled, THERE ARE ALLIGATORS IN OUR SEWERS and other American credos. A collection of bunk nonsense and fabels we believe.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:56 PM

These alligators have mutated. I have it on the authority of my two older brothers that tiny girl children are often dragged screaming down the toilet whereas boys can keep a safe distance and escape.
Mary, who still checks for alligators in the toilet (and occasionally finds a cat)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:56 PM

Maybe that's where all those poor mice are living...


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 May 01 - 12:57 PM

If you had a dream that you died, and then you actually died without waking up, HOW WOULD ANYBODY KNOW?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:01 PM

Crossing your eyes won't make them cross permanently.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: wdyat12
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:02 PM

And dust buildup in your brakepads from driving on dirt roads isn't the metal on metal sound you hear when you roll to a stop at a light.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:14 PM

And if you scowl at your older brothers, your face won't freeze that way...


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: wdyat12
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:18 PM

And you don't rotate your mattress for the same reason you rotate your tires.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:20 PM

I don't rotate my mattress at all. What have I been missing? Is this some new American fad?

Alex


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:21 PM

"Facts... Bppppppphhhhhfffff! You can use facts to prove anything that even REMOTELY true! Facts schmacts!"
---Homer Simpson---


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:26 PM

Which does not resolve the vexing matter of what the hell happened to Spaw's face, does it? :-)

Jim Dixon - "If you had a dream that you died, and then you actually died without waking up, HOW WOULD ANYBODY KNOW?"

Hey! Good point! Given that, I wonder who started such a dumb story in the first place...and why did anyone believe it?

Nevertheless, I have had several people assure me that it is absolutely and infallibly true...without exception. When I tell them about the dream I had and died in (and woke up from), they say..."Well, you must not have actually died in that dream, then..."

Duh. It's like trying to explain the good points of socialism to a Republican. "Does not compute (click)...does not compute (click)...does not compute (click)....does not..."

- LH


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:28 PM

Well, my SO and daughter were absolutely certian that my oldest Siamese, Heyokah, was done for and would have to be put down this morning, but I am pleased to say he defied their absolutes and is here to live another day, albeit as a newly-diagnosed diabetic.*

*bloodwork pending...it could still be touch and go, but at least it was not today, as they were so sure of!

kat


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Morticia
Date: 30 May 01 - 01:38 PM

Well I was heartbroken when someone sent me this site.....brace yourself, Peter Hoaxbusters


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 01 - 02:03 PM

Oh man oh man!

I can think of about a million people who need to read that site!!!

Thanks Morty!!!!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 01 - 02:37 PM

...and you can't get a genuine WWII jeep still packed in cosmoline in the original crate for $200..(or $100..or $500..or...)..people used to make money collecting $$$ for these myths


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 May 01 - 02:39 PM

This is beginning to get unsettling (ha)!
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mudlark
Date: 30 May 01 - 02:42 PM

Gladly the cross-eyed bear....

Love YOUR line, Peter T.....much better, more, um, visual!

Pretty poison....wisteria....the seed pods very poisonous to critters, oleander sap the same, so I've heard for years. Also lots of bulbs, like daffs....

Good luck to your cat, kat....

and....I go crazy at the full moon....it's just that noone doing a study has ever asked me...

Mudlark


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: kendall
Date: 30 May 01 - 09:57 PM

I love that comment about the mattress and tires!


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 May 01 - 11:59 PM

There was actually a point at which I was completely convinced I did not have all the answers. It was a bit unsettling when I realized just how wrong I had been.........I'm much better now.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:29 AM

Noreen - drinking water after eating dried fruit makes them swell too quickly and gives you stomach ache. Fresh fruit should have no problems. Pragmatic but true. Honest.

And those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:29 AM

I thought one time that I was wrong- but I was wrong...

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Metchosin
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:40 AM

I'm now absolutely certain that if I undo my belly button my eyes won't fall out.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 May 01 - 01:57 AM

No but your ass will drop off!!

: )

LTS


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:11 AM

Only if you undo your bellybutton with a silver screwdriver...

;-)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 31 May 01 - 05:14 AM

LtS and Clinton.

You are both wrong!

Belly-buttons are there for the "sole" purpose of storing the salt when you eat fish & chips in bed!

Get your facts right (or left if you are Liberal)..:)

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Hancock
Date: 31 May 01 - 05:31 AM

Bell's Whiskey regularly results in rotating mattresses. By the way "Plicity" is the singular of duplicity, (Not to be confused with dohplicity which is something to do with Homer Simpson)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Les from Hull
Date: 31 May 01 - 06:53 AM

Sorry to mess with your facts Jim, but there's no such thing as Bell's Whiskey. Only Bell's Whisky.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: cetmst
Date: 31 May 01 - 07:06 AM

Is chocolate poisonous to dogs or is it a tale spread by chocoholics to prevent diverting the stuff ?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 May 01 - 07:44 AM

Belly buttons exist for storing salt for eating CELERY in bed...

Inquiry's death may have been totally irrelevant to any poinsettias (and, no, there were no holly or mistletoe berries around, either), but Curmudgeon won't let one in the house. And Stephanie Piro's cat did get very sick from eating poinsettias -- she has the vet bills to prove it.

The best book on New York was "Where to Go in New York: A Guide to Public Comfort Stations" -- but it didn't say a thing about alligators. Presumably they were already in the sewer and didn't need comfort stations;-).

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 31 May 01 - 08:10 AM

Yes dogs do get sick on chocolate. And chewing gum does not stick to your tonsils if you swallow it. But there is definitely a Loch Ness monster


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 May 01 - 10:41 AM

Here's something I learned a few years ago: All those top-40 radio stations that allegedly play "requests" are fake (sort of). They make up their playlists first, and then find "requests" that match them. Since they never have any shortage of requests for the top 20 or so songs, this works for them. If your "request" doesn't correspond to what they would have played anyway, it never gets on the air.

I do think my local public radio station genuinely plays requests, however. Or am I just being naïve?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 May 01 - 11:09 AM

My dogs are chocoholics. They get the lower part of the chocolate ice cream cone I eat every day. I am not not not a choco-


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MMario
Date: 31 May 01 - 11:21 AM

well - euphorbia's have some compound (I don't remember what) in them that people exhibit a wide range of reactions to - from the "yeuck" tastes bad feeling I got tasting it in botony class - to the full fledged anaphylatic shock type reaction one of my best friends got from touching the sap with her tongue...cats may well have the same type range of reactions to Pointsettia's


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 01 - 11:48 AM

"A long steel rail on a shore so fine

Embarrassing but true- that's how I sang it until I was well into grown. I can only think that's the line my parents must have sung. ??


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: paddymac
Date: 31 May 01 - 12:09 PM

Yes, there is a broad spectrum of responses among persons allergic to something. I have a friend who is allergic to virtually anything from the sea - fin fish, shell fish, "sea salt", anything with anchovie paste in it, etc. I have known others who seemed to have far more specific allergies to "sea things". I even knew a lad who had developed an allergic response to alchohol. Now that would be a serious malady. Generally, allergies of many different sorts play a far greater - and often undiagnosed - role in the maladies of man than is generally recognized.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Matt_R
Date: 31 May 01 - 12:15 PM

BILLY THE BUS!!! Long time no see mate!! Where you been? We missed ya?

--Matt (formerly Mbo)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:05 PM

Jeezo man, have I had some myths busted wide open! Here's another one. Think again if you think Chief Seattle said all those wise, witty things about the environment. Seems as most of 'em came from soneone's very alive mind in Texas.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:15 PM

That there is a God.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:20 PM

You can drink water after eating apricots, but you have to wait half an hour. And they aren't alligators, they're crocodiles.

CC


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Tara
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:22 PM

I just read a great article in a vet-tech journal (i.e. a Reliable Resource) which said that neither poinsettias, holly nor misletoe are poisonous enough to hurt anybody or anything. At worst, a serious poinsettia binge could cause a tummy-ache and teach pooch not to munch on houseplants. So, the lady who had a cat get sick on it - that cat must have been especially sensitive, as that is not a typical reaction. Personally, I'm hoping that one of these years my cats will sample the poinsettia and get sick, and thus decide to leave all my herbs alone... Phlox, lily of the valley and digitalis are more deadly than christmas plants, and my pets don't touch those.

Chocolate on the other hand is truely deadly to dogs - the chemical is called theobromide, and it doesn't take much. Chocolate-hull mulch will kill, too.

Now, never having had a counter-surfing dog before my current fuzzy-butted moocher, Cooper, I'm beginning to suspect that any plant or food eaten by a pet has a potential to be deadly. At least, if Cooper opens the cabinet and rips up another box of cereal, I just might kill him...

...And, I thought that belly buttons were only holding tanks for lint, until it could be safely disposed of?

-Tara


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MMario
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:33 PM

So all the chocolate munching dogs I know are unusually non-sensative?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 May 01 - 02:36 PM

Here's another disillusionment: Bug zappers do more harm than good, because they attract more mosquitoes than they kill.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Bill D
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:09 PM

...and though no one has mentioned it, Black Walnut chips are to horses,(and to some people and plants) as chocolate is to dogs....http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~ohioline/hyg-fact/1000/1148.html

but the Smithsonian Institution does NOT have 'any' *grin* parts of John Dillinger in alcohol....


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:30 PM

Bell's Whiskey? I thought it was Bell's Palsy..."a suddenly occurring unilateral facial paralysis of unknown etiology" usually following the statement "Step out of the vehicle, Sir. Damn!

And I thought that bald heads resulted from too many U turns on the mattress, not rotating it.

And there's a guy named Bruce who lives in our complex, and has his very own Good Tooth Fairy that drives a Buick, and leaves something under his pillow every night.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Kernow John
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:48 PM

It isn't the marbles that you ate, but the marble statuette. Now what song was that in ?
KJ


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 31 May 01 - 03:48 PM

Chief Seattle did say some words when he was forced to sign a treaty signing away his people's land, and nobody knows how accurate the remembered ones written down by ? some journalist way after the fact; probably as accurate as the Parables; but if you read the words as an angry "You can't own the land. It's a typical stupid white man thing to think you can own the land." speech, they make a whole lot more sense.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 01 - 04:35 PM

Art Thieme - Get out. I was just talking to God, and She's willing to admit to your existence... :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 31 May 01 - 04:41 PM

GUEST,Tara:

I think if you look it up you'll find that that chemical you refer to is theobromine, not "theobromide".

Theobromine is the "caffeine-equivalent" found in tea, although there is some caffeine also present.

The first three letters are "tea" in French. No refererence to the Diety.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 31 May 01 - 05:08 PM

John--

The marble statuettes were standing stately in the hall in the tune "Crystal Chandeliers."

Actually, Thea Bromide was a Belgian "actress" shot for espionage during the Franco-Prussian War, though I have always wondered how Franco fought the Prussians given that France is in between.

One of the above paragraphs is true.

CC


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,wfisher@mediaone.net
Date: 31 May 01 - 05:41 PM

In November, George W. Bush was the winner of the presidental election.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 31 May 01 - 06:26 PM

Sorry, Dave O., but theobromine comes from the Greek and means "food of the gods" -- an apt description of chocolate, in my book. You may be getting confused with the methylxanthine that's found in tea, theophylline (which is also an asthma medicine, not as widely used now as it was when I was in residency). That word means "leaf of the gods". For completeness, the third common food-borne methylxanthine is caffeine, from the phrase, "God, I need some coffee!"

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 01 - 06:49 PM

....eating the crusts of your bread/toast makes your hair curly.....


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 31 May 01 - 09:54 PM

My grandmother assured me (what better authority?) that "Little boys who play with matches wet the bed!"

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 31 May 01 - 10:00 PM

Well, at least they can put out the fire!

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Les from Hull
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 08:19 AM

No it's picking dandelions that makes you wet the bed, I'm sure of it. (Actually the French do call them pis-en-lit).


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 09:04 AM

It doesn't make you short sighted. Now where did I put them glasses? Or cause short term memory .........um.......er..... What was I going to say? By the way PeterT, why don't you want a mansion with a crossdresser in every room?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 10:38 AM

Actually Brian, I was considering other variations:
"with a teatray in every room"
"with a DJ in every room"
"with a bier in every room," and so on.....
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Les from Hull
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 10:43 AM

Actually, a tear in every room would be hardly noticable. I mean, I spill more tea than that. Unless of course, it is really a tear (other pronounciation, work with me on this one) in every room. That could indicated major subsidence.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 12:05 PM

And of course, a tear can also be a rampage. And here I was thinking of a lonely house echoing with emptiness...


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MichaelM
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 02:53 PM

I went to Hoaxbusters (thanks Morticia) and found this hilarious one. If you're having a miserable rainy day like Toronto's go to http://sites.netscape.net/spzumalt2/camera1.html

Sorry about the non-blue non-clicky thing.

Michael


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MichaelM
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 03:02 PM

went to Hoaxbusters (thanks Morticia) and found this hilarious one. If you're having a miserable rainy day like Toronto's go to Click here

Let's see if that works.

If so...thank you permathread.

Michael


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 03:17 PM

Just told my dogs (both senior citizens) that they can't have any more chocolate. They are packing up to leave. Poisonous plants listed in my horticultural guide include Anthurium, cyclamen, Dieffenbachia (iritates throat if you eat it), leaves of English ivy, Euphorbias including Poinsettia and crown of thorns, Hydrangea, Lantana, Mistletoe, Oleander, monkshood (Aconitum), castor bean, foxglove (Digitalis), sweetpea and buffalo been seeds, etc. etc. Of course tolerances vary and not all animals are affected. Poinsettia sap doesn't affect my skin but I know one greenhouse worker who has to wear gloves during the annual task of starting thousands of plants for Christmas sale.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: MichaelM
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 03:34 PM

I drag myself reluctantly from the greased path of thread creep back to the road less traveled. On a science fact program on Canadian television (@Discovery if I remember properly) a scientist was discussing her work in schools debunking the image of science as this monolith of TRUTH. She discussed the ubiquitous science experiment of tasting liquids to identify the taste centres in your mouth. Most textbooks and teachers describe the perception of sweet,sour,salt and bitter as taking place in distinct areas of your mouth i.e. "You will taste sweet at the back of your tongue..." The interviewee said this was a complete fallacy. There was an early mis-translation of a German medical text. The German text stated that they discovered a tendency towards perception of tastes in different areas. The English text turned it into an absolute. In fact there is no difference in the function of the tastebuds from one portion of your mouth to the other. Generations of young students were pressured into perceiving something that wasn't there by teachers and textbooks that were wrong.

P.S. What is the name for the fifth taste dicovered by the Japanese?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: harpmolly
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 04:12 PM

I don't know about the fifth taste...but I do remember Terry Pratchett's five particles of magic:

"It was here that the thaum, hitherto believed to be the smallest possible particle of magic, was succesfully demonstrated to be made up of resons (Lit.: 'Thing-ies') or reality fragments. Currently research indicates that each reson is itself made up of a combination of at least five 'flavours', known as 'up', 'down', 'sideways', 'sex appeal' and 'peppermint'."

-- (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 04:33 PM

A friend of mine who is a very back-to-the-earth kind of guy told me that he once tested Skunk Cabbage and thought he would die. It has crystals in it evidently that are abrasive and totally non-digestible in the human system. It's a great favorite of bears however .


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 04:47 PM

While most humans find it unbearable...

- LH


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 05:17 PM

I have a male friend who is violently allergic to alcohol - one little sip makes his system shut down in stages .. the bigger the sip, the shorter the time.... if ever anyone spikes his drink, he's dead.... He used to drink a lot and developed the allergy quite slowly. Conversely, I have a female friend who was born allergic to alcohol (she didn't find out until she was 17....), spent half her life being paranoid, and quite ill when told 'it's got nothing else in it snigger snigger', and then after about 15 years has seen her symptoms lessen, and now she can drink almost anything except scotch.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 06:34 PM

Well I heard that it was birds who would die if you fed them chocolate.

On the allergy front, there are a tremendous number of people who swear they are "allergic" to one thing or another. Some of these are true allergies (one of a few specific kinds of immune response, which cause things like hives, itching, watery eyes, etc.), some are adverse reactions that are not allergies (some people, like Liz's friends, lack an enzyme to metabolize alcohol, which can cause the buildup of a toxic metabolite that can make them sick), and some are so-called "idiosyncratic reactions", which means "We don't know why it happened, but you probably shouldn't eat any more of that stuff." Then there are people who are "allergic" to things like air and water...

If it was discovered in Japan, the fifth taste was probably wasabi.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: wdyat12
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 07:18 PM

Here is a fact that is still a fact. Want to keep those pesky squirrels occupied for hours while the birds get their dinner at the feeder? Just glob peanut better on a slice of bread and watch them.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: wdyat12
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 07:22 PM

Peanut Butter?

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 07:41 PM

Here's one: A few years ago a lot of people switched from throwing rice at weddings to throwing birdseed, because a story went around that birds would eat the rice and then the rice would swell up in their bellies and kill them. I'll bet that story was hokum, too. Anybody know for sure?


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 10:18 PM

Somewhere in the various shelves and drawers of books in this house we have a Chinese cookbook called, as I recall, Eight Immortal Flavors. It seems that in Chinese classical "gourmet" cooking it is considered de rigeur to include in the menu of a planned meal every one of the eight flavors, viz.:

1. Sweet
2. Sour
3. Bitter
4. Hot
5. Salty
........and.......

Who can name the other three? I'll give a little time for people to respond, and I'll post the other three tomorrow sometime. Hint: Two of them you'll probably recognize, though you might not have thought of them as flavors. The third, though a common word, you STILL will have a problem thinking what it might mean as a flavor, until I give examples.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: marty D
Date: 01 Jun 01 - 10:39 PM

For about five years I thought that Sigmund Freud was really on to something. For the next five, it was Fritz Perls. Now I know that NOBODY has a clue, and that's a fact.

marty


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: hesperis
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 12:14 AM

From http://thestar.com.my/kuali/recipes/05jzcook.html

The number five has always been central in Chinese food culture. The earliest book on medicine, Neijing (Internal Channels), written over 2,000 years ago said that the body needed "five flavours'' to live: five grains for nourishment, five fruits for support, five animals for benefit, and five vegetables for energy.

This idea is perpetuated in the traditional flavours deemed fundamental to Chinese cooking; sweet, sour, bitter, hot and salty. That was when flavouring agents were natural products such as honey, fruit jam, nuts, herbs, chillies, peppers and salt.

Later, processed flavouring such as sugar, vinegar and jiang (soy) began to be used, and the Chinese created two additional flavours.

One is xiang which translates to "fragrant'' or "aromatic,'' a taste associated with wine, garlic, spring onion, sesame seeds, Szechuan pepper and other such spices.

The other taste is xian which means "delicious'' or "savoury,'' a flavour produced by good chicken or meat stock, oyster sauce, mushroom sauce, shrimp sauce and monosodium glutamate (MSG).

But, of course, that is only 7 flavours, not eight...

Other sources said "Bitter Sweet Hot, spicy, pungent Salty Acid, sour as in vinegar"

and

"hot, sour, sweet, salty, bitter and fragrant"

I also found one source that said "bland" was the last flavour.

Very interesting! (I'm getting hungry now!!!)

~*sirepseh*~


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 10:22 AM

The other three are, per Eight Immortal Flavors,:

6. Bland, as you found.
7. Fragrant, again as you found. And
8. Golden!

"What???" (I hear you saying.) "What's "golden" mean as a flavor?"

"Golden" is that taste that you get in kumquats or in orange rind, the sort of sharp or prickly (my words) or penetrating flavor.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,hilary
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 05:10 PM

When I as little, I thought the carol was : Good King Wenslas LAST looked out...

I was brought up in north Staffordshire where AMEN is pronounced OUR - MEN. I couldn't understand why hymns should end with our-men.

Hilary


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Johnny Angel
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 06:29 PM

Anytime you're curious about possible myths, urban legends, and crazy stories you hear or receive by e-mail, you should check out Snopes and The Straight Dope.

www.snopes.com www.straightdope.com

Snopes is a clearing house for urban legends, and they've got an awful lot of them archived, as researched by folklorists Barbara and David Mikkelson.

The Straight Dope is a column by Cecil Adams, in which the record is set straight on a number of perplexing issues. They also have an active message board, where if anyone has any questions about obscure song lyrics, I send them right to Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: GUEST,Broke
Date: 02 Jun 01 - 08:09 PM

I saw on Martha Stewart that it's OK for birds to eat rice. Another myth DEBUNKED!! Now popcorn...that's a different story...=) Btw, I sang "God Bless your knees Mrs. Robinson" until last year.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: RangerSteve
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:31 PM

I bought a copy the "The Loved One" years ago and couldn't figure out why, in the short biography of the author, they kept referring to Evelyn Waugh as "he". I think I can be excused for not knowing it's pronounced "eevelyn" and it's a mans name in the UK. For a few days, I kept wondering if maybe everything else I knew was also wrong. Also, I once had a habit of giving people who were trying to put things over on me a look that consisted of lowering one eyebrow and raising the other (Mr. Spock on Star Trek did the same thing). Now my left eyebrow is slightly higher than the right. My mom was right, if you keep making a face, it will stay that way.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 06:29 PM

Cold water or Aqua Velva (do they still make it?) will close your pores after shaving. Turns out this is nonsense but we used to believe it.


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: doncam
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 06:46 PM

Two wrongs do make a right if you are NANDing in boolean algebra!


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Subject: RE: Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong
From: maeve
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 10:30 PM

Refresh for RangerSteve and others in need of a laugh.


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