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Subject: BLESS 'EM ALL (USAF Bombadiers WW lI) From: crayon@bcpl.net Date: 04 Dec 99 - 09:25 AM BLESS 'EM ALL (USAF Bombadiers WW lI) The tune above had 'the usual lyrics,' or some such note for its chorus. Where, oh where is this ditty in your huge DB. TNX Greg in baltimore, md. |
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Subject: RE: BLESS 'EM ALL (USAF Bombadiers WW lI) From: Jeri Date: 04 Dec 99 - 10:06 AM There are 10 versions here. Number 8 is perhaps the one you're looking for? (I typed "[bless 'em all]' into the search box.) |
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Subject: Bless 'em All From: toadfrog Date: 31 May 01 - 05:50 PM This is about the version which begins: There's many a troopship just leaving Bombay Bound for old Blighty's shore. Note (1)The words are not about World War II. They are about life of a British soldier in India, and the language ("heavily laden with time expired men") could have been written by Rudyard Kipling. "Time expired" is not U.S. Army jargon, it is British, and the idea of a troopship full of time expired men has nothing whatsoever to do with World War II, where everyone was in for the duration. So why does everyone assume the song was written for WWII, or maybe WW I? 2. Two sites on line attribute the song to "Jimmy Huges and Frank Lane," whoever they are. Those sites also make the song be about an "airman," and otherwise indicate they are not to be taken seriously. (3) Once, (maybe around say, 1970) someone overheard me singing the song, tapped me on the shoulder, and identified it as (Spanish Title). I said, no, I was singing ___________, and he said he knew, but all those military versions copied the Spanish song, whose title he translated as "I Like Them All." Is anyone familiar with such a Spanish (or Mexican, Argentine , Cuban) song, with such a title and such a tune? And when it was popular. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Liz the Squeak Date: 31 May 01 - 06:44 PM It's the sentiment, Bless 'em all, meaning keep them all safe, regardless of height, etc. that makes it such a popular song. It was written about career soldiers who went off to India to help guard the East India Co. who controled much of the country. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Irish sergeant Date: 31 May 01 - 08:09 PM It is associated with World War Two because it was introduced to the American forces stationed there by our British Allies. At least, that's why it is assumed to be a WWII song, My uncle taught it to me and I have lyrics for a couple of versions of it. If any one is interested. Kindest Reguards, Neil |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Amos Date: 31 May 01 - 08:47 PM I learned it as a bawdy number on the subject of the wide variety of feminine companionship experienced by the doughty (and testosterone-toxic) singer. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: paddymac Date: 01 Jun 01 - 04:23 AM The first version I ever heard was sung by Oscar Brand. If it turns out to be of Spanish origin, it could well have come stateside with american veterans of the Spanish civil war. From a phoakie's perspective, whatever its origin, it has a very singable melody and meter, and is therefore a readily available "platform" for any number of lyrics. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Billy the Bus Date: 01 Jun 01 - 08:46 AM G'day toadfrog, "Bless 'em All" predates "American" involvement in either World War - and may be Kipling - English Music hall, anyway. And your shoulder-tapper....:) I assume the person who tapped you on the shoulder in 1970 (aged-then ca 50-70yrs were they?) was thinking of the "Spanish Civil War" - bet there were virgins flying around then (of the song that is). Stick to yer guns cobber - and your original premise. Sing the song out loud - it's a goodun' If you want a Kiwi version - I have one Sam
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Les from Hull Date: 01 Jun 01 - 09:07 AM This song (words and tunes) are very much in the style of the English Music Hall. Many music hall songs went into the army, and often the words were changed. Many songs and parodies of songs were sung in the Royal Flying Corps in the First World War, and it may be that the 'airman' connection comes in there. It may be worth checking up on WO1 (warrent officer first class). I'm not sure when this was first used as an army rank - I believe that it would include Regimental Sergeant Major etc. 'This side of the ocean' only really makes sense with the troopship home from Bombay version, and is common to most (later?) versions. It certainly wasn't so easy to be promoted in India, you were easily overlooked by your parent organisation for promotion. So my best guess is 'English Music Hall, 1880s or 90s. But that's still a guess. Les |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: toadfrog Date: 01 Jun 01 - 10:05 PM Thanks Les from Hull. I generally agree the song has to be British. Is there anything on line that relates to English music hall tunes? I think very likely a lot of familiar songs come from there, but there seems to be no way to check. (We Americans had no "airmen" in WW II; was that term actually used in the Royal Flying Corps?) I very much doubt this oringinated in Spanish Civil War. I was thinking more of one of those many popular songs that used to come out of places like Cuba - non military songs about women. A little like Amos's songs, which I'd be v. much interested in hearing - they sound like more chips off the same block. G'day to your, Billy the Bus. I think we are badly in need of a Kiwi virgin. Please, lets have it! (Her?) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Bert Date: 02 Jun 01 - 12:31 AM Er, Hum, No one has yet mentioned that the line is a euphemism for the expression "Fuck 'em all". I think Toadfrog is right and the song predates WWII. It is associated with it because there was a popular version of it then. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: DaveJ Date: 02 Jun 01 - 01:43 AM This Site makes the following statement: Bless'em All was first introduced in England around 1916 by Fred Godfrey. The "soldiers" version was seldom heard in civilized areas and Jimmy Hughes introduced the "decent" version in 1940. There had never really been a set of appropriate words with this tune until then. This version of Bless em'All could be openly sung in loud voices with little chance of reprisal. The music was composed by Frank Lake. Although this song is regarded as a World War II song, it's earliest associations are with the Royal Naval Air Service. In some versions, it became the unofficial Royal Air Force song in the years between the wars. Clearly this music has been through the 'folk' process. Nobody noses for sure who wrote the 'original' version and the lyric have been modified frequently to fit the situation. Does anyone know anything about Fred Godfrey? DaveJ |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: DaveJ Date: 02 Jun 01 - 01:47 AM Geez...can you tell it's 1:50 am? My 'noses' seems to 'knows' it. Yawn. Still learning to edit in this small window. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Billy the Bus Date: 02 Jun 01 - 03:35 AM Les, it seems there's a hull of a lot of Catters in Hull..;) WO1 = RSM - WO2 was CSM Company Sergeant Major. The rank dates dates back to India and other Colonial days. Predates the "flyboys" of RFC. RSM was God - only outranked by Commissioned Officers, like Generals and higher (and then only if they had proved themselves). Umm... I am NOT going to get sidetracked with Army recollections.. Kiwi Virgin of F'em All will beposted soon. Sam
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Subject: Lyr Add: FUCK 'EM ALL (Kiwi version) From: Billy the Bus Date: 02 Jun 01 - 04:01 AM Here's the Kiwi Virgin WWII origin - we had some Kiwi soldiers stationed in Fiji - getting grumpy, 'cos they were missing out on the real scraps. I've got the words of another song about the {NZ} Army in Fiji if anyone wants 'em... Anyway... The Kiwi virgin of B***/F*** 'EM ALL from WWII 1. Oh they say there's a troopship just leaving Fiji, Bound for New Zealand's shore. Heavily laden with time-expired men, Bound for the land they adore. There's many a soldier Just finishing his time, There's many a mug signing on, You'll get no promotion this side of the ocean, So cheer up, my lads, **** 'em all. CHORUS: **** 'em all, - **** 'em all. The long and the short and the tall, **** all the sergeants and WO1's, **** all the corporals and their ****ing sons, For we're saying goodbye to them all, As up the cook's backside (?) they crawl, You'll get no promotion this side of the ocean, So cheer up my lads, **** them all. 2. Oh a mighty fine ship on the ocean she flits, Sailing by night and by day. When she's in motion she's the pride of the ocean, You can't see her backside for spray. Oh side, side Monowai's side, The captain looks on her with pride. He'd have a blue fit, if he saw any shit On the side of the Monowai's side. 3. This is my story, this is my song, We've been in Fiji too ****ing long Roll out the Rodney, salvage the Hood For our merchant navy is no ****ing good lsa Lei, Isa Lei, From Auckland to Suva's a ****ing long way. Ummm.... You lot aren't going to believe this, but while formatting the above - our "National Wireless" Sat Nite request came up with... Allan Breeze (?sp) and the Billy Cotton Band - with a WWII virgin of "Quartermasters Store" No lie....l) Sam |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: The Walrus Date: 02 Jun 01 - 07:11 AM Roy Palmer ("What a Lovely War")states: "...Lewis Winstock's Chelsea Pensioners told him that the song [Bless 'em All] was current in the army by the last decade of the nineteenth century. However, C.H. Ward-Jackson suggested that it, 'or rather a version not intended for publiction', was written in 1916 by one Fred Godfrey, while he was a member of the Royal Naval Air Service. It seems more likely that Godfrey was merely writing down a sond which was in circulation among servicemen in his day. In turn, Jimmy Hughes and Frank Lake were responsible for an arrangement which became popular with civilians.... Soldiers sang both sanitised and scurrilous words, depending on the the company in which they found themselves. There were versions for sailors, paratroops....bomber pilots...and coastal command flyers. Canadian soldiers sang it. So did Americans, and continued to do so through the Korean War and into the late 1950s at least....." Billy the Bus, The one of the best descriptions of the position of the RSM I'd heard of came in a spoof order which simply read "Henceforth the Colonel will stand at God's Right hand (RSM to parade on Colonel's left)" Good luck. Walrus |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Les from Hull Date: 02 Jun 01 - 12:20 PM Just to tie up one or two loose ends. The Royal Naval Air Service was the Navy's Air Arm, up to 1918 when it joined with the Royal Flying Corps to form the Royal Air Force. In the UK Bless 'em all was often an airmens' song. Airman was a rank in the RFC and I think it still is in the RAF. The Kiwi version is interesting, Sam, dating from post-1941 when the Hood was sunk. In the Royal Navy there were words of 'Roll on the Rodney the Hood and Renown, this four-funnel bastard is getting me down' referring to ex-US lend-lease destroyers. Now that version must be about late 1940 early 1941, when the first lend-lease detroyers came into service and before the Hood blew up. There must be many personalised versions throughout the Allied forces of WW2, so personalised that everyone knew it was 'their song'. What a fascinating thread. Les |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: toadfrog Date: 02 Jun 01 - 05:38 PM O.k. Fred Godfrey was Band-Master of the Coldstream Guards, and is credited with composing "TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD BLIGHTY" (1916), as well as the "Bon Soir Galop" and "Hello, Little Miss U.S.A." (1913). Clearly a Britisher with some U.S. copyrights. Is there any source that would tell us about his British copyrights or other publications? It sounds like he was a well-known music hall composer who was called up and given rank to perform the same services for the military. There must be more on him out there! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: dick greenhaus Date: 02 Jun 01 - 06:13 PM Does anyone know the infantry WWII version called the Mortar Song?
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Billy the Bus Date: 03 Jun 01 - 02:20 AM Have just discovered a NAAFI version "Rob 'em All" will scan it in if anyone's interested Sam |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: The Walrus Date: 03 Jun 01 - 07:04 AM Billy the Bus, "Rob 'Em All" ? Go for it, scan away. Toadfrog,
"Take Me Back to Dear Old Blighty" Written and composed by A.J.Mills, Fred Godfrey and Bennett Scott.
Take Me Back to Dear Canada - TUNE: "Cheers"
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Subject: Lyr Add: ROB 'EM ALL From: Billy the Bus Date: 03 Jun 01 - 09:31 AM Rob 'em All =========== This song was believed to have been written in the NAAFI accounts department in Ismailia, on the Suez Canal, for the girls behind the counter to sing.
We are the NAAFI girls. warriors all, Chorus:
Rob 'em all, rob 'em all,
We came out to Egypt to sell cups of tea, Chorus:
Our rissoles are famous from Cairo to Cape, Chorus Source: The Songs and Balllads of Word War II, Martin Page, 1973, Hart-Davis McGibbon Ltd. Cheers - Sam |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Susan of DT Date: 03 Jun 01 - 11:26 AM Liked the NAAFI lyric so much that they've been in DigiTrad for years. You can find no fewer than 10 versions of Bless 'Em All there. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Q Date: 10 May 03 - 02:37 PM The "Airman's Song Book," Collected, Edited and with an Introduction and Explanatory Notes by C. H. Ward-Jackson, Music Edited by Leighton Lucas, Revised Ed., 1967, offers this explanation (already noted in part by Toadfrog): "Many of these songs were not so much composed as evolved over a long period and often in various places. Most people would say (for example) that "Bless 'Em All" dates from the second World War and they probably would not particularly connect it with flying. Yet it has been the unofficial trooping song of the R. A. F. from the beginning in 1918. During the broadcast of the R. A. F.'s 25th birthday anniversary celebrations in 1943 Mr S. P. B. Mais (ex-R.F.C.) pointed out that it originated in the Royal Navy Air Service, written in 1916 by Fred Godfrey. That version was not for publication [Fuck 'Em All] and it was unknown to the public till the late 1930's when it appeared in a completely clean pinafore. Meanwhile, airmen had put all kinds of words to it, the essence of which is not unfairly reflected in the published version." Pages xiii and 136 (Bomber version, WW2). Original(?) words to "Fuck 'Em All" in thread 10366, Guest Q: WW2 Songs A version close to the original in thread 3282, Guest L: Veterans' Day This book has all of the old airman's songs, including "Who Killed Cock Robin" and The Mountains of Morne," as well as "The Ragtime Flying Corps" from the 1916 period. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Q Date: 11 May 03 - 05:12 PM Please return to music threads. Lyr. Add: ROB 'EM ALL Lyr. Add: BLESS 'EM ALL (Kiwi version) Lyr. Add: TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD CANADA |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: musicmick Date: 12 May 03 - 02:38 AM While "Bless 'Em All" may go back to God knows when, it is a real folk song in that it was and is used with new lyrics for new wars. The version that I like best is from the Korean "police action". Here's a typical verse. Oh, we sent for the army to come to Korea But General MacArthur said, "No!" He said, "There's a reason, It isn't the season, Besides, you've got no USO" Bless 'em all. Bless 'em all, The army they sure dropped the ball. They know all the answers on how to withdraw They're the runningest bastards that we ever saw, So, we're saying goodbye to them all, As back to the Yalu we crawl. Where the snow is ass deep to a man in a jeep But who's got a jeep, bless 'em all. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 12 May 03 - 02:36 PM A partially similar Korean War text appears in Robert Leckie's book "The March to Glory," concerning U.S. Marines at the Reservoir in the winter of 1950-51. The lines about MacArthur are left over from the Tulagi version of the song, evidently composed in the Pacific in 1942. Oscar Brand recorded his own version (with only a few changes) on the 1960 LP "Tell It to the Marines." |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Gareth Date: 12 May 03 - 03:20 PM Mmmm ! I missed this thread last time around but the Kiwi version ( see Bob the Bus posts) seem to amalgamate 2 sepperate Forces songs. First of all - "Bless 'em All" and a RN lowerdeck song Now if you can get copies of "A Steady Trade" and "Hearts of Oak" the autobiography of Tristam Jones from yer libuary you should find the words, and versions of this and other Mess Deck songs. Les from Hull is on the right track with his post. I can recall varients of these being sung by ex Matloes. A version I think I remember goes "This my story, this is my song, I've been in the Navy to F*****g long, So roll on the Nelson, Rodney, Renown, You can't get the Hood 'cos the B*****d's gone down" I also think that there were varients on the line :- " This four funnel b*****d is getting me down" For four substitute the funnels that whatever you were serving had. i.e. Corvete - One, County Class Cruiser Three etc. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Q Date: 12 May 03 - 03:40 PM The version that was popularized and sung by civvies during WW2 was copyrighted by Jimmie Hughes and Frank Lake in 1940, as has been noted before. Several parodies also have been copyrighted. See thread 10366 for comments and the original 1916 version by Fred Godfrey (not copyrighted, and not published because of the content). World War II As far as I know, all of the military unit versions are free and clear. Here is the Coastal Command version: Lyr. Add: BLESS 'EM ALL (Coastal Command) There's many a Hudson just leaving Norway Bound for old Iceland's shore, Heavily laden with terrified men Scared stiff and prone on the floor. There's many a Heinkel a'pumping out lead, And many a Messerschmidt too, They shot off our panties, And mucked up our scanties, So cheer up, my lads, Bless 'Em All. From "Airman's Song Book," ed. C. H. Ward-Jackson and Leighton Lucas, 1967 rev. ed., p. 136, Blackwood and Sons, Ltd.. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Q Date: 12 May 03 - 03:50 PM Oops, forgot the 2nd verse of the Coastal Command version. It was written by Corporal J. Holdsworth and sung in a fighter station revue in 1940. Lyr. Add: BLESS 'EM ALL (Coastal Command verse 2) A few Q. D. M's and jolly good luck Brought us back to ond Iceland's shore. The cloud it was ten-tenths right down on the deck, And tried very hard to be more. The ruddy Controllers are driving me mad, They don't know a map from a chart, They sit swilling tea, bawling rubbish at me, They wince at the flight of a dart. They think that a sextant's a man of the Church, And a bearing's a little steel ball. If you talk about bomb-sight They think you're half tight 'Cos bombs ain't got no eyes at all. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Barry Date: 07 Aug 05 - 10:40 AM Here is what might be the real last word on Bless 'Em All, since the song was written by my grandfather, the British Music Hall composer Fred Godfrey (1880-1953) -- not Fred Godfrey the band master. For the complete story, I invite you to visit the website I very recently posted, http://www.fredgodfreysongs.ca. Go to "All the Known Fred Godfrey Songs" in the menu and follow the links from the list of his greatest hits. Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Abby Sale Date: 07 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM GUEST,Barry; The bawdy or the parlor version? Or both? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Nigel Parsons Date: 07 Aug 05 - 11:59 AM Gareth (12 May '03) The words quoted: ""This my story, this is my song, I've been in the Navy to F*****g long, So roll on the Nelson, Rodney, Renown, You can't get the Hood 'cos the B*****d's gone down" " Would seem more likely to be set to the hymn Blessed Assurance Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Lighter at work Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:27 AM Last Aug. 21 I posted the following to another thread: "Hey, big breakthrough in "Bless 'em All" studies! Head for the Library of Congress's "American Memory" page and navigate to Captain Leighton Robinson's performance of a 19th C. music-hall song called "A-Roodle-Tum-Toodle-Tum-Too." Robinson learned the song on his first voyage to sea -- in 1888." The "breakthrough" here is that a chunk of the distinctive "Bless 'em All" tune goes back to the 1880s. This could explain why the Chelsea pensioners placed the song in the 19th C. I'm very curious as to why Godfrey didn't publish his song in 1917, what the lyrics actually were, and why, as GUEST Barry observes at his website, Godfrey's name "never appears" as a co-author. If Fred Godfrey really was the genius behind "Bless 'em All," he deserves credit, but given the wispiness of the evidence, documentation of Godfrey's lyrics is crucial. And is there any documentary proof that the song was sung "underground" for 22 years from 1918 - 1940 ? The situation is even more curious since there seems to be no doubt whatever that Godfrey wrote - and was credited with - the other songs listed at the website, none of which became as big a hit as "Bless 'em All" ! What were those 1917 lyrics ? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Barry Date: 09 Sep 05 - 01:43 PM I grant that some considerable mystery surrounds my grandfather's most famous song (though, in Britain, "Take Me Back To Dear Old Blighty" ranks among the immortals, too). I have listened to the Library of Congress recording, at Guest Lighter at Work's suggestion. There is a resemblance for a couple of bars (the part that in the printed lyrics goes "They say there's a troopship that's leaving Bombay") but thereafter it veers off. Not enough, I argue, to credit the earlier song as the origin of Godfrey's tune. That is not to say, however, that Godfrey couldn't have borrowed from an earlier source -- happens all the time. For that matter, a line in "Old Sailor", a 1936 song by Godfrey and Jimmy Kennedy, shows up virtually intact in Irving Berlin's "White Christmas", but I wouldn't claim partial authorship of the latter song by Godfrey nor would I accuse Berlin of stealing it. Why Godfrey's name doesn't appear on printed sheet music of "Bless 'Em All" is a big puzzle -- all the composing rights societies credit him nonetheless, and someone in the family (not me) has been collecting the royalties all these years. Why, indeed, didn't he publish the thing in 1917 or thereabouts? And what were the original lyrics? I've no idea, but I'm certainly glad to know that there is some interest in discovering the true story behind "Bless 'Em All," and if it turns out that my grandfather didn't write the thing after all, I promise to be gracious about it! , and I |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Megan L Date: 09 Sep 05 - 02:13 PM we are some of the Vindy boys we are some of the boys we know our manners we flog our fags for tanners we are respected where er we go and as we go marching along the street all the doors and windows open wide open wide all the lads and lassies cry the vindy boys are passing by we are somne of the boys Bless em all bless em all as of of the vindy we crawl you wont get to heaven this side of the severn so chear up me lads bless em all the vindy was the Vindycattericks training ship for the merchant navy |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Lighter Date: 09 Sep 05 - 03:56 PM Very nice, Megan L ! When was this song sung ? Barry, I wasn't suggesting that Fred Godfrey "stole" the melody, merely that there was an undeniable similarity of the sort that could lead someone, years after hearing it, to believe that it was "Bless 'Em All." Have a look at Q's post from May 10, 2003, just above. The quote also appears in the 1945 first edition of the book. The bracketed words, however, are Q's. Like him, I have always assumed that "not for publication" means "unprintably bawdy," but that may not be the case. Maybe it means "for performance in a local skit and with so many topical and personal references as to be of no interest to the public." Such an interpretation is at least possible, though even as I write I must say it seems unlikely. Barry, am I right in thinking that your relative has drawn a blank on the "original" version as well ? If I ever come across another reference to the singing of "Bless 'Em All" before 1940, I promise to post it here. But I've been watching for one since 1967 ! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Barry Date: 09 Sep 05 - 08:56 PM Hi, Lighter. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you had accused Godfrey of stealing the thing. That certainly wasn't my intention, and I would love to get to the bottom of the mystery. I am familiar with the quote from The Airman's Song Book -- I came across it years ago and it forms part of what little I have in the way of corroborative evidence of Godfrey's association with the song. As for what my relative might know about the issue, I couldn't say. He's a much older cousin, now in his seventies, presumably living somewhere in England, but we've been out of touch with him for decades. I have tried to contact him through the Performing Right Society (which won't divulge his address), but he refuses to answer my hails. Perhaps there is some old family wound that hasn't healed that I don't know about -- it may well have to do with fights over royalties by Godfrey's children after his death in 1953. My mother (Godfrey's youngest) certainly didn't inherit them, and we emigrated to Canada in 1954, so we were out of the picture. Ironically, I'm now the only one in the family who's interested in Godfrey and his career -- hence the website -- and all the principals involved are long since dead. Incidentally, since Godfrey was serving with the RNAS in 1917 when he supposedly wrote the song, and since he also absolutely hated being in uniform even though he was never anywhere near any fighting, it may well be that the scurrilous lyrics originated with him. As for why it wasn't published at the time, I could conjecture that, with so many hundreds of songs already under his belt, including many big Music Hall hits, he may well have tossed off "Bless 'Em All" for "local" consumption, as it were, and thought no more about it. But if it did become popular in the RAF during the interwar years, as is claimed, why wouldn't Godfrey have gotten wind of it and seen to its publication much earlier than 1940? Beats me! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Megan L Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:45 AM Lighter my brother was on the vindy in the 50s, this might have been a cleaned up version for mum :) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Lighter Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:53 AM Barry, do you know where Godfrey was stationed with the RNAS/RAF ? If it was India, that would be strong evidence that in one form or another the first stanza about "a troopship leaving Bombay" was originally his. If not, no conclusion could be drawn. If the song was written in 1917-18 far away from London, it may have been in circulation in a limited way within the RAF between the wars. If the title and chorus contained a four-letter word as well, there would be little chance of its appearing in print during that period, and limited circulation would also make it unlikely that a later memoir could be found mentioning its existence in the '20s or '30s. So one big problem in the song's history may be dealt with by assuming that the song's "folk" currency before 1940 has simply been overstated. It didn't have to be "the unofficial trooping song of the RAF" until 1940 in order to have enjoyed a minor underground existence before that. Elaborate conjecture is usually a waste of time, but I can't resist in this case. Godfrey, in 1917, could have written a song much like that copyrighted in 1940, but with the familiar F-word in the title and chorus. It may well have been, then, that either he decided not to pursue publication simply because he thought of the song as something of a topical throwaway and didn't think of replacing the offending word with "Bless." Or, if he did think of it, publishersmay have rejcted the composition because the war was over, India was far away, and there was probably no market for it. Twenty-odd years later, Keith Prowse published a rewrite and elaboration of what they thought was an unprintable, public domain song. Getting wind of it, Godfrey (and his lawyer) proved to KP's satisfaction that he was the composer and deserving of a share of the royalties. He might have done so with by showing a copy of his original score, with or without the lyrics. For whatever reason, Godfrey agreed that he need not be credited on the sheet music. For KP to start paying royalties, they must have been convinced that Godfrey was the original author. Your website, BTW, looks like an excellent resource on neglected pop composer ! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Barry Date: 10 Sep 05 - 06:02 PM Lighter, according to his service record, Godfrey spent his days in uniform at a couple of airship bases in the south of England and at Dunkirk. To my knowledge he never went further afield. Of course, like most tunesmiths from Tin Pan Alley (or Denmark Street, or whatever the British equivalent is), he also wrote songs about Dixie and all sorts of other places he'd never laid eyes on; "Mulligatawny, Where The Soup Comes From" is a typical example. So I'm not sure we can read much into the lyrics, except that his experience in the military was unhappy enough that I can well imagine his using the F-word to express his frustration about being there. At the same time, my guess is that Godfrey's contribution may have been more the music than the lyrics, which doubtlessly evolved according to time and place. The many different clever versions that were created post-1940 are testament to the song's malleability. Your suggestion re: Keith Prowse seems quite plausible to me. If he'd had a copy of the original score, I wonder if it still exists and where it might be? Certainly, no such memorabilia has survived in the hands of his offspring here in Canada. Thanks for the kind words about the website. I hope it inspires others on the many now-forgotten pop composers. The British ones, in particular, have been overlooked, as I note on the site. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Leadfingers Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:10 PM When I was in the RAF I collected several verses , some from George Formby and some in NAAFI Bar Song Sessions . Here's a British Korean war version , and a verse from 205 squadron in Singapore . The Reds have a very fine kite so they say This we no longer doubt If you're in Korea with a MIG up your rear This is the way to get out Stay cool , calm , and sedate , mate Dont let your British blood boil Dont hesitate , slam it straight through the gate And smother the bastard with oil . Shackletons dont bother me Shackletons dont bother me Clapped out contraptions with flaps on their wings Rattling engines with no piston rings And the bomb loads so piddling small Three fifths of five eighths of Sod All But you'll get no promotin this side of the ocean So cheer up my lads . bless em all |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:48 PM Thanks I wondered where that expression my father used - "Three fifths of five eighths of Sod All" came from - my father would never explain. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:36 PM The "Airman's Song Book" has a Coastal Command Version from WW2: There's many a Hudson just leaving Norway Bound for old Iceland's shore, Heavily laden with terrified men Scared stiff and prone on the floor. There's many a Heinkel a'pumping out lead, And many a Messerschmidtt too, They shot off our panties, And mucked up our scanties, So cheer up, my lads, Bless 'Em All. A few Q. D. M.'s and some jolly good luck Brought us back to old Iceland's shore. The cloud it was ten-tenths right down on the deck, And tried very hard to be more. The ruddy controllers are driving me mad, They don't know a map from a chart, They sit swilling tea, bawling rubbish at me, They wince at the flight of a dart. They think that a sextent's* a man of the Church, And a bearing a little steel ball. If you talk about bomb-sight They think that you're half tight 'Cos bombs ain't got no eyes at all. (* spellings not altered) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Brian Hermann Date: 14 Jun 06 - 04:52 AM At the beginning of WW2 songs like this suddenly came out of retirement. I was nine at the time but I have a terrific recollection that the line about "Corporals and their blinking sons" was alleged to be about an actual Corporal who had a son in the same regiment and got picked up on by an Army PR man of the day, and featured in Picture Post. I can even see in my mind's eye the two of them peering out of a ship's porthole, in Picture Post. Am I dreaming, or does anyone know why a Corporal rates a mention? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: magician Date: 14 Jun 06 - 08:52 AM Here's the full version of "Shacks" Shackletons don't bother me Shackletons don't bother me Clapped out abortions with flaps on their wings Sod all their pistons and their piston rings For were saying good bye to them all Three fifths of five eightths of sod all You'll get no enjoyment on coastal employment So cheer up my lads sod 'em all They say that the Shack is a mighty fine kite This we no longer doubt If you're in the air with a mig on your tale This is the way to get out Keep cool and keep calm and sedate mate Don't let your British blood boil Don't hesitate, ram them straight through the gate And smother the bastard in oil The old merlin engines that were in Shacks were renowned for throwing out oil if they were suddenly given full power. The engines were restricted to 90% power by a gate on the throttles. To achieve 100% power the throttles had to be pushed through the gates thus guaranteeing a black oily cloud of exhaust. In the late sixties during a NATO exercise a Shack was being buzzed over the North Sea by a Russian mig when the captain decided to dive down to sea level on full power to get rid of it. This resulted in the migs canopy beeing smothered in thick black sticky oil. The mig pilot, unable to see anything, then had to bail out and be rescued by an RAF Air Sea Rescue launch. There then followed an official complaint by the Russian embassy to MOD abuot the poor maintainance standards of our aircraft. This incident prompted the writing of this song. Daffydd |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:53 PM "Bless 'em All" seems to have been the favorite for complaints about the idiosyncrasies of planes, ships and other vehicles. "Songs From the Front and Rear contains verses on corvettes, Lancasters and Wellingtons. Thanks for the Shackleton verses. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Nan Date: 22 May 07 - 10:49 AM Yes, he was my grandfather. Here is a link to site my brother has created about him: http://www.fredgodfreysongs.ca/ |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Nan Date: 22 May 07 - 10:55 AM Sorry -- didn't read the whole thread. I see you've been all over this one! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Bless 'em All From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 22 May 07 - 12:04 PM That line about "their blinkin' sons" has always struck me as odd. Why should "corporals" be associated with "their...sons"? If Guest Brian Hermann is correct, that it was a topical reference, those lines at least could not go back to World War I. Can someone add anything solid to Brian's memory? |
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