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BCK 13 Dec 97 - 04:04 PM
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Subject: ? I'll be with you when the roses bloom again
From: BCK
Date: 13 Dec 97 - 04:04 PM

I am looking for the lyrics and music for the song "I'll be with you when the roses bloom again." I think this song can be found on pg. 110 of a 1991 book called Music for Pickin' and Singing. Unfortunately, I do not have the book. Does anyone out there own it or have access to it? I would really be happy to get a copy of the song. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide. BCK Fax (218) 847-2160


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Subject: RE: ? I'll be with you when the roses bloom again
From: Bruce O.
Date: 13 Dec 97 - 04:20 PM

I think its one of Mac Wiseman's favourites. Try some Bluegrass sites.


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Subject: RE: ? I'll be with you when the roses bloom again
From: Dale Rose
Date: 13 Dec 97 - 09:23 PM

The song was written in 1901. It is the story of a soldier and his sweetheart during the Spanish American War. My oldest version is by Mac and Bob, c. 1925, and the newest, a tape of friends performing it just a couple of months ago. I probably have the Mac Wiseman version somewhere as well. I will try to post the words later, though I can't do anything about the sound file.


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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN
From: Gene
Date: 13 Dec 97 - 10:45 PM

WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN
Recorded by Jim Greer and The Mac-O-Chee Valley Folks
Stars of the W.W.V.A. Jamboree

CAPO: 3rd FRET/KEY: F/PLAY: D
[D] They were strolling thru the gloaming as the roses were in bloom
A soldier and his sweetheart fond and [A7] true
And their [D] hearts were filled with sorrow
As their [G] thoughts were of tomorrow
As she [A7] pinned a rose upon his coat of [D] blue.

Do not [G] ask me love to linger for you [D] know not what you say
For duty calls your sweethearts' name a-[A7] gain
And your [D] heart ye not be sighing
If I [G] be among the dying
I'll be [A7] with you when the roses bloom a-[D] gain.

CHORUS
When the [G] roses bloom again beside the ri-[D] ver
And the Robin Redbreast sings his sweet re-[A7] frain
In the [D] days of Old Lang Syne
I'll be [G] with you, sweetheart mine
I'll be [A7] with you when the roses bloom a-[D] gain.

REPEAT CHORUS

TAG: I'll be with you when the roses bloom again.

Email Gene (click) for Wav of song.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN
From: Dale Rose
Date: 14 Dec 97 - 12:16 AM

The version as done by Mac and Bob, (Lester McFarland and Robert Gardner)probably about 1926, is pretty much the same as given by Gene, except that it has two more verses. Also,in the second verse, they sing need rather than ye, which makes more sense to me.

ADD:
Mid the rattle of the battle came a whisper soft and low
A soldier that had fallen from the fray
I am dying, Captain, dying, and I know I have to go
But I want you to promise, ere I pass away,

There's a far and distant river where the roses are in bloom
A maiden who is waiting there for me
And it's there I pray you take me, I've been faithful, don't forsake me
I'll be with her when the roses bloom again.

The version as sung locally is very near the first two verses that Gene gives, with only minor differences, but it has a third verse which is pretty much a combination of the third and fourth verses by Mac and Bob.

Mid the rattle of the battle came a murmur soft and low
Oh, Captain, come and hear my dying plea
Take me to that distant river where the roses bloom forever
And a maiden who is waiting there for me.


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Subject: RE: ? I'll be with you when the roses bloom again
From: Bruce O.
Date: 15 Dec 97 - 12:18 PM

My apologies to those who have commented above. I knew I had goofed as soon as I clicked the submit bar.


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Subject: RE: ? I'll be with you when the roses bloom again
From: BCK
Date: 15 Dec 97 - 05:38 PM

Thanks Bruce, Dale and Gene! Appreciate your help :-)


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Subject: Lyr Add: I'LL BE WITH YOU WHEN THE ROSES...^^
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:25 AM

Here's a version found at the Lester H. Levy Sheet Music Collection:

I'LL BE WITH YOU WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN
(Will D. Cobb & Gus Edwards, 1901)

They are roaming in the gloaming where the roses are in bloom,
Just a soldier and his sweetheart staunch and true,
But her heart is filled with sorrow, and her thoughts are of the morrow,
As she pins a rose upon his coat of blue.

"Do not ask me, love, to linger, for you know not what to say.
When my duty calls, my sweetheart's voice is vain,
But your heart need not be sighing; if I'm not among the dying,
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again.

CHO: "When the roses bloom again beside the river,
And the robin redbreast sings his sweet refrain,
As in days of Auld Lang Syne, I'll be with you, sweetheart mine.
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again."

Mid the rattle of a battle comes a whisper soft and low,
For a soldier boy has fallen in the fray:
"I am dying, Captain, dying, and I know that I must go,
But I want your promise ere I pass away.

"There's a far and distant river where the roses bloom so fair.
There's a maiden who is waiting all in vain.
It is there I'll have you take me. I've been faithful. Don't forsake me.
I must be there when the roses bloom again. CHO.


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Subject: 'When the roses bloom again' Lyrics?????
From: GUEST,stumacd3@maine.rr.com
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 10:46 PM

Hi, Just wondering if anyone could send me the complete lyrics from that Wilco/Guthrie masterpice "When The Roses Bloom Again?" Please send to my email address. Thank you VERY much!


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Subject: RE: 'When the roses bloom again' Lyrics?????
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 11:04 PM

The lyrics are posted here. I'll e mail.


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Subject: RE: 'When the roses bloom again' Lyrics?????
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 08:48 AM

Thank you rec'd by e mail.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Again
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 10:42 PM

The Virtual Gramophone has 2 recordings of I'LL BE WITH YOU WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN, both recorded in 1902, one sung by Harry Macdonough, and the other by Robert Price.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Again
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:13 AM

This song was also more modernly recorded by Laura Cantrell on the eponymous album "When the Rose Bloom Again". Her lyrics, basically as above, are offered on this page.

Also recorded by Johnnie Cash, "The Essential Johnnie Cash", July 1963, according to Cowboy Lyrics.com.

A


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Aga
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 12:14 PM

I won't bother you with the whole story, it's out there if you want to find it, but here it is in brief. Laura Cantrell had the words but no tune, so she made up her own, making it quite another song altogether ~~ good though!

Her record label, Diesel Only offers a Free MP3 Download of When The Roses Bloom Again. Lots of other good stuff on the page. I especially recommend Courtney & Western. (Love that name, too!) Unfortunately, the group is no more, but you'll find Courtney herself at Courtney Lee Adams, Jr. including more free songs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Again
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 12:53 PM

I did a quick listen to LASura Cantrell's version (which I find kiond of sweet and appealing) and the 1902 version by Harry McDonough. Dale is absolutely correct! That's the kind of tale you never would have heard except for the Cat. Thanks. Love Courtney and Western's name too! Pity they stopped.

A


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Aga
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 01:24 PM

Just to clear up a misconception I had. It had been a year or so since I had looked it up, and misplaced my facts.

Here's Laura to tell it: I first heard this song sung by Sally Timms (of the Mekons) on her album Cowboy Sally's Twilight Laments. She played it live on a visit to the Radio Thrift Shop and I sat rapt, forgetting that I was supposed to be running the show while she sang. Sally explained that Billy Bragg and Wilco discovered the lyric in the Woody Guthrie archives and Jeff Tweedy had written a beautiful melody for it. They subsequently realized that the lyric was probably a traditional song copyrighted by A.P. Carter of the Carter Family, and couldn't include it in the Mermaid Avenue project for which it was recorded (the Wilco version finally surfaced on the Chelsea Walls soundtrack). I learned the song to sing on a tour of the UK and recorded a solo version for my first Peel Session. I love the idea that an old song passes through so many hands and becomes new again.

Of course, ascribing it to either Woody Guthrie OR A. P. Carter was an incorrect assumption on THEIR part, but I take the blame for crediting the melody to Laura Cantrell.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom Again
From: Stewie
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 06:33 PM

The songster, Bill Williams of Greenup, Kentucky, had his own delightful take on this song and illustrates the interaction of white and black traditions. You can find out more about Bill, who was 'discovered' in the 1970s at the age of 73, at Stefan Wirz's wonderful site: CLICK HERE. Bill's song would also be relevant to the 'taxes' thread that is currently on foot.

I'LL BE WITH YOU WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN

I was going down the hill to my little cottage home
And the revenues was a-waiting there for me
I was going down the hill when they caught me with my still
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again (be)side the river
And the robin redbreast sings a melody
With the revenues I met, I can have a little rest
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

They/(he) took me to the courthouse, the old (church?) he was there
He didn't show me any sympathy
We have caught you with the wine and we're gonna send you down the line
You'll be with us when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again (be)side the river
And the revenues have all gone to rest
We have caught you with the wine, we're gonna send me down the line (sic)
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Instrumental break

They/(he) took me to the jailhouse to ? ?   ninety days
And now I'm on the county road to stay
I was feeling mighty frisky when they caught me with my whisky
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again (be)side the river
And the revenues have all gone to rest
I was feeling mighty frisky when they caught me with my whisky
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Instrumental break

When the roses bloom again (be)side the river
And the revenues have all gone to rest
With the revenues I met, I will have a little rest
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Source: transcription of Bill Williams 'When the Roses Bloom Again' on The Late Bill Williams 'Blues, Rags and Ballads' Blue Goose LP 2013 [1974].

--Stewie.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM FOR THE BOOTLEGGER
From: Stewie
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 08:12 PM

Looking further in my collection, I find that I have 2 earlier versions of the parody under the title 'When the Roses Bloom Again for the Bootlegger' by Roy Harvey and Earl Johnson. These are similar to Bill Williams' version. Harvey's recording clarifies some of the difficulties above - I should have guessed 'judge' although Bill's pronunciation makes it sound like 'church. The Harvey recording is adorned by some spirited yodeling by Earl Shirkey who got prime billing on the record. Tony Russell suggests that this was possibly because Harvey had some residual contracual obligation with Brunswick.

WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM FOR THE BOOTLEGGER

[Spoken]:
Hello, Earl.
Hello, Roy.
Where's old Slim, Roy?
Slim can't be here, just as usual.
What's the matter with him?
In jail again.
He's in jail?
Yeh, I just now got a letter from him.
Got a letter from him?
Want me to read it to you?
Yeh, go ahead, Roy.
It says uh:

I was going down the river to my little cottage home
The revenue men was waiting there for me
I was coming up the hill when they caught me with my still
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again beside the river
And the robin redbreast sings his melody
With the revenue men I met, I can have a little rest
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Instrumental and yodeling

They took me to the courthouse, the old judge he was there
He didn't show me any sympathy
They have caught you with the wine so I'll send you down the line
You'll be with them when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again beside the river
And the revenue men have all gone to rest
Then my heart will fill with cheer for I know I'll get the beer
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Instrumental and yodeling

They took me to the jailhouse to serve my ninety days
And now I'm out on the county road to stay
I am feeling very frisky, but they've caught me with the whisky
I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

When the roses bloom again beside the river
And the robin redbreast sings his melody
As they've caught me with the wine, I can't be with you pal of mine
But I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

Instrumental and yodeling

Source: transcription of Earl Sharkey and Roy Harvey 'When the Roses Bloom for the Bootlegger' recorded on 17 October 1928 in Johnson City, Tenn, and issued as Columbia 15326-D in February 1929. Reissued on Roy Harvey 'Complete Recorded Works Vol 2' Document DOCD-8051.


Earl Johnson and His Dixie Entertainers recorded it in December 1930 in Atlanta [issued in October 1931 as OK 45545]. This version has stanzas similar to Harvey's plus a couple of extra ones. The reissue on Document 'Earl Johnson Vol 2' DOCD-8006 is in appalling condition – sounds like it was recorded under water and pressed on corrugated cardboard. I can decipher one of the extra verses as:

They carried me to the jailhouse and they put me in a cell
Just because they caught me with a still
And they fed me bread and cheese in that jailhouse full of fleas
But I'll be with you when the roses bloom again

There were other oldtime recordings of this by Asa Martin (August 1929) and Frank Luther (October 1929).

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 04:12 PM

music of Laura Cantrell's version was written by Wilco.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'll Be with You When the Roses Bloom...
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 12:40 PM

Although a number of people have looked to 1901 as the original version of this song it appears that it goes back even further to 1876 as can be seen here:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.music.sm1876.07083/default.html


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN (Austin Turner
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 01:59 PM

The 1876 song is actually a different song built on the same trope. The chorus is written in 4-part harmony. Transcribed from the sheet music at the Library of Congress:


WHEN THE ROSES BLOOM AGAIN.
Composed by Austin T. Turner. ©1876.

1. O do not sigh nor look so sad; our parting's not for ever.
A little time and I'll come back to thee, my own heart's treasure.
See now the summer's waning fast; the autumn soon will fly,
And winter's storm will hurry on to bring an April sky.
Then smile again; all nature smiles the brighter after rain.
I'll come to thee, my own true love, when the roses bloom again.
I'll come to thee, my own true love, when the roses bloom again.

CHORUS: Then smile again; all nature smiles the brighter after rain.
I'll come to thee, my own true love.
I'll come to thee, my own true love, when the roses bloom again.

2. The summer fled, an autumn sped, and winter stormed as ever.
The spring put out her blossoms green; bright flowed the rapid river.
She mourned him dead beneath the wave; she wept in silent sorrow.
She had no joy and not a hope could she of comfort borrow.
She sighed and sighed until at last death came to ease her pain.
They laid her in the cold, cold grave when the roses bloomed again.
They laid her in the cold, cold grave when the roses bloomed again.

CHORUS: She sighed and sighed until at last death came to ease her pain.
They laid her in the cold, cold grave.
They laid her in the cold, cold grave when the roses bloom again.


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