Subject: Lyr Add: HANDSOME CABIN BOY^^^ From: Susan-Marie Date: 15 Dec 97 - 09:28 AM I'm putting together a set of traditional songs about women and the sea. In addition to a few "my love has left me for the sea" songs, I'd like to do some that have women in a more active role. For example, Maid on the Shore (woman as a pirate), Handsome Cabin Boy (woman becomes sailor, gets pregnant), and Willie Taylor's True Love (woman becomes sailor, finds her false love, shoots him). I found a few variations on these themes in the DTdatabase, as well as couple of mermaid songs. I'd appreciate additional suggestions on themes or songs I've missed. Since Handsome Cabin Boy isn't in the database, here it is: HANDSOME CABIN BOY
'Tis of a lusty female, and you must understand
The captain's wife, her bein' on board, her heart was filled with joy
Whose cheeks they were like roses, his hair was all in curls
'Twas off the Bay of Biscay our gallant ship did plow
It's "Doctor dear, oh doctor!" the cabin boy did cry
The sailors, when they heard the news, they all did stand and stare
So sailors take your tot of rum and drink good health to trade |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 15 Dec 97 - 10:04 AM Susan-Marie, "Female smuggler" and "Female sailor bold" from the DT-database (which has, by the way, Handsome Cabin Boy), not a very active role in "Dreadful ghost"...I just see that entering "@transvestite @sailor" brings all these and many others, active role or much less active. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Bert Date: 15 Dec 97 - 10:29 AM Do a Forum search for Grace Darling. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Susan-Marie Date: 15 Dec 97 - 12:16 PM Bert and Wolfgang - Thanks for the suggestions (I keep forgetting that the keywords aren't infallible: Handsome Cabin Boy didn't show up under "sea" so I assumed it wasn't there). |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: judy Date: 15 Dec 97 - 01:44 PM I love the "Lady Leroy" which has two versions in the DT. I've heard the second one done by an Irish group: "Oisin". In this song the rich woman disguises herself as a man to buy a ship from her own father to run off with her sailor. The father sends one of his captains after them, they fight, the Lady Leroy (the name of the ship, not the woman) wins and they escape to Boston: Here's a health to pretty Polly! Long may she enjoy Her proudest of heros and the Lady Leroy judy |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 15 Dec 97 - 06:13 PM If you feel like doing one in gaelic, use keyword Grainne, or Grania, I haven't the first clue where you would find the music unfortunately... But it's a song about Grainne Ni' Mhaille, (Grace O'Malley) a real life, historically accurate Irish pirate in the 17th century... (she lived at the same time as Elizabeth I, R.) Pei |
Subject: Lyr Add: FEMALE RAMBLING SAILOR (from Ian Robb)^^^ From: Moira Cameron Date: 15 Dec 97 - 07:21 PM Don't forget "Female Ramblin' Sailor": FEMALE RAMBLING SAILOR Source: Ian Robb Topics: Australian, English, Sailor/ship, Women. Come all young maids both near and far, And listen to my ditty; 'Twas near Gravesend there lived a maid-- She was both neat and pretty. Her own true love was pressed away And drowned in some foreign sea; Which caused this fair maid for to say: "I'll be a ramblin' sailor." So with jacket blue and trousers white, Just like a sailor, neat and tight; The sea it was the heart's delight Of the female rambling sailor. From stem to stern she bravely goes; She braves all dangers, fears no foes. But soon you'll hear of the overthrow Of the female rambling sailor. For although her courage did not fail 'Twas stormy seas and wintry gales That o'er this fair maid did prevail-- The female rambling sailor. From stem to stern she bravely went, Where offtimes she'd been many, But her hand it slipped and down she fell. She calmly bade this world farewell. And when her lily-white breast in view it came They found it was a female's frame. Rebbecca Younge it was the name Of the female rambling sailor. On the river Thames she is known well. No sailor there could her excel. Let fall one tear as a last farewell To the female rambling sailor. So come all young maids, both near and far, And listen to my story. Her body is anchored in the ground-- Let's hope her soul's in glory. May the willows wave around her grave And round the laurels planted. May flowers sweet grow at the feet Of the one who was undaunted. Note: I rearranged the order in the last two verses to make it sound more logical a progression to me. Another really good one is "Lowlands"--the one that starts off: I dreamed a dream the other night, Lowlands, lowlands away my Joe, I dreamed I saw my own true love, Lowlands Away. ^^^ added --- -- PA -- |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Barry Date: 15 Dec 97 - 07:45 PM In the DT see the riotious "For The Love Of Willy" & the more romantic ending "Canadee-i-o". Barry |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Bruce O. Date: 15 Dec 97 - 08:42 PM Petra, Do you have what is said to be the original "Granuaile" (Grainne Mhaol, or Ni Mhaille) from Hardiman's 'Irish Minstrelsy'? I'd love to see it, and will in turn post no less than 5 variants of the tune ranging from 1786 to 1859, which I've already coded in ABC. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Susan-Marie Date: 16 Dec 97 - 08:48 AM Judy - thanks for suggesting Lady Leroy. I've been meaning to buy an Oisian CD, do you know which one this song is on? Petra and Bruce - A version of Grace O'Malley is in the DT database in english and gaelic as AN DO/RD FIANNA. However, there's no tune for it so it would great if Bruce could post one or two. Moira - Thanks for the Female Ramblin Sailor. Do you know which Ian Rob CD it's on? Barry - Yes, I found "For The Love Of Willy" and Canadee-i-o". Great Stuff. Do you know where I could find the tune for "For the Love of Willy"? |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 16 Dec 97 - 09:46 AM Found something during another search: Female Warrior Ballads , some of them obviously about life at sea ("Female Captain" and many others). I haven't found out yet whether this is more than just a list of titles. (Of course, if you need at the end of the book/essay (?) something under "curiosa" there are always the many Mermaid ballads) Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Dec 97 - 09:53 AM some more information here Wolfgang |
Subject: Tune Add: GRANUWAIL - GRANA UILE - GRAINNE MHAOL^^ From: Bruce O. Date: 16 Dec 97 - 10:41 AM Susan-Marie, Thanks, I couldn't find it in DT. The song there looks like it might be the original. There were others in the 19th century, sometimes to other tunes. The last are obviously insrumental versions. I can't cope with all of Bunting's ornamentation of X5 below in ABC, so that part is ommitted here. The 2nd strain, which seems to be simply a variation of the first, is also omitted.
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X:5 ^^ |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Susan-Marie Date: 16 Dec 97 - 01:16 PM Wolfgang, thanks for the link to the Female Warrior Ballads list of titles. The only one they currently have words and music to is Female Rambling Sailor, but I think there will be more available in the future. I'm curious to see "The Female Press Gang" and some of the others! As for mermaid songs, I do intend to include one. I'm putting together these songs for a set at a local coffehouse. Bruce, thanks for the melodies. Now, over to the ABC homepage for translation... |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 16 Dec 97 - 03:37 PM Bruce- ::drool, drool:: thank you.. the lyrics i found were here on the data base, but Susan Marie already said that one.. Okay.. I'm being kicked off the machine.. for some people people working on finals get annoyed when you're just surfing and there are no more computers in the labs.. :) |
Subject: Lyr Add: OLD GRANNAU WEAL^^ From: Bruce O. Date: 16 Dec 97 - 06:12 PM Notes and errata on the tune "Granuaile", and another 18th century "Granuaile" song.
x1: Cook's Selection should be Cooke's Selection, a book in the British Library which contains "Granuaile", but which I have not seen.
There are two fouled up versions of the tune in the Complete Petrie Collection. "Poor old Granua Weal", #790, starts ok and ends ok, but is in 4/4 time and rather fouled up between the ends. "Graine Mael", #1455, is in F, but should be Fm or F dorian. I discovered that one has to be carefull with ABC's if you want to display them in HTML. I had used left and right angle brackets in my original notation of X3, only to find that an HTML browser hides a left angle bracket followed by a right angle bracket, and everything in between. It took me a couple of minutes to figure out why about half of my tune had disappeared.
Other 18th century songs to the tune. Commodore Gale, Tune - Granny wale. [Granuaile] I posted the song previously on a thread of Guys Songs.
"Grania Meuel" is cited as the tune for a two verse song in 'Songs in Jack the Gyant Queller', Dublin, 1749, from Henry Brooke's suppressed Irish ballad opera of 1748. The song there fits the tune given above (Hime's, X:1).
Granau Wale/Weal is (Mother) Ireland in a song which I think is probably American, although set in Dublin and London. "Old Granau" here complains to several English statesmen about the hard times the English are giving to her sons in America. The song mentions events in America from the Boston tea party up to, but not including the Declaration of Independence. The song was printed in the very rare 'The Green Mountain Songster' of 1823, with the first nine verses reprinted in the Vermont folk song collection, 'The New Green Mountain Songster', (by Flanders, Ballard, Brown and Barry) 1939, reprinted 1966. For this song the title is "Old Granny Wales." A later copy, with several corruptions, is printed from the Stevens-Douglas manuscript (c 1841-56) of western New York in 'A Pioneer Songster', (by Harold Thompson and Edith Cutting) p. 85, 1958. In the latter the song is entitled "Old Grannau Weal." Neither copy contains a tune direction, nor do any of the editors suggest one, but the song fits our tune here quite well. I suspect the song was actually written in America by an Irish American: the writer does not seen to know the names of any real streets in Dublin or London, and even after the date of this song Irishmen were being executed for treason for less provocative acts against the English. Is this the first Irish-American song? [From 'A Pioneer Songster', 1958, with some corrections from 'The New Green Mountain Songster', 1939 and 1966] OLD GRANNAU WEAL
Old Grannau she arose in the morning so soon
He says noble Grannau come tell me in haste
That news is to true lord Cornwall [Conner] he said
(Old Grannau set out with her grand equipage) [Pioneer
You are three [two] villains as I understand
(You are wrongly informed says these gentlemen) (Pioneer
You are three [two] arrant liars says old Grannau in haste They said noble Grannau do'nt give such a vent
I would not have you think for to frighten my sons
O says noble Grannau give me leave for to tell
O Grannau do'nt tell us about bunker hill
Well well says old grannau though Warren is dead
We cannot deny but your Washington's brave
Well Well says old Grannau go on with your cause
Too late will you see your desperate crimes
I have a millions of sons in america born
Sing wobaroo bob-a-roo says old Grannau weal
Hell-a-ma-lee in verse 10 and wobaroo bob-a-roo in the last verse are probably corrupt Gaelic expressions rather than nonsense expressions. One lost Gaelic tune of the middle of the 18th century was entitled "Suba roo roo." ^^ |
Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN I WAS A FAIR MAID (T Ni Dhomhnaill^^ From: Dale Rose Date: 16 Dec 97 - 06:38 PM What about When I Was A Fair Maid by Triona Ni Dhomhnaill? It is on an album entitled Triona that I think is available both on Gael Linn and Green Linnet. It is similar in theme and words to Soldier Maid in the data base.
WHEN I WAS A FAIR MAID
When I was a fair maid about seventeen
Well, the officer that listed me was a tall and handsome man,
Well, they sent me to bed and they sent me to bunk,
Well they sent me up to London for to guard the Tower,
Well the Captain he came up to me and he asked if this was so,
So it's fare thee well Captain, you've been so kind to me,
At the end of each verse, repeat pretty much in this fashion: And the music so grand, and the music so grand, for to hear the cannons rattling and the music so grand.
Note too, that this "fair maid" more than holds her own when it comes to duties on the ship, rather than just beating the drum as in the other song. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 16 Dec 97 - 10:50 PM Dale- How interesting.. I thought that that was a traditional tune- going to have to go back to my Dad's Steeleye collection (he's got a few more years of collecting folk tunes than I do) and see what it's listed as. Because they do a tune very very similar to that entitled ::thinks:: female drummer boy.. forget which album Petra |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Susan-Marie Date: 17 Dec 97 - 10:11 AM Dale - Thanks for "When I was a Fair Maid". I like the fact that she joins the navy for the music, rather than the usual search for Willy-Oh. Petra - Let me know if you find it on Steeleye, and whether they list the source as traditional. I suppose Triona could have taken the Female Drummer Boy or Soldier Maid and written her own seafaring version. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Jon W. Date: 17 Dec 97 - 10:20 AM I'll bet "Fair Maid" is traditional - Triona does write a few songs but I believe she sticks pretty solidly to traditional sources - especially back in 1975. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Dale Rose Date: 17 Dec 97 - 10:36 AM I have the Green Linnet version, and the notes are not completely helpful, but better than none at all. It does not credit Triona herself in anyway for the words, though that does not mean than she did not adapt them, of course. Her sources for some of the songs on the album are given, but this is not one of them.
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Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Moira Cameron Date: 17 Dec 97 - 01:41 PM Susan-Marie: The Female Rambling Sailor is on Ian Robb's "Rose and Crown" album. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Rebecca H Date: 17 Dec 97 - 10:00 PM The song entitled When I was a Fair Maid is sung by The Rude Girls on one of their albums. On there it is called Running the Rigging and it says it is traditional. They sing another female sailor song, but I'll have to go look it up. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 17 Dec 97 - 10:09 PM Okay then.. So I'm not loosing my mind.. Petra |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: harpgirl Date: 18 Dec 97 - 12:01 AM Sally Rogers sings "When I was a Fair Maid" on her album The Unclaimed Pint and attributes it to a Triona n'Domnhaill recording. Apologies in advance for what will probably be a triple posting... |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Alan of Australia Date: 18 Dec 97 - 01:56 AM G'day, Steeleye Span recorded "Female Drummer" on the album "Please to See the King". They acknowledged "A Yorkshire girl via Percy Grainger, Bert Lloyd and the Watersons" as the source. I suppose that makes it traditional. Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 18 Dec 97 - 05:38 PM Thanks Alan.. petra |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 18 Dec 97 - 07:15 PM I thought that the Maid On The Shore was a mermaid. There is If I Was A Blackbird, although the lady in question sings about wanting to follow her true love to sea. There is Three Fishers, as sung by Stan Rogers on For The Family, although the women aren't out on the boats. Banks of Newfoundland mentions a lady on board who tears up her flannel petticoats to make mittens for the sailors. This is the version sung by Chris Foster. (There is another completely different song by the same name.) The Flower of Serving Men has nothing to do with the sea, but it is a fine song about a woman impersonating a man. Considering its sad and bloody beginning, it's odd that it ends with a joke. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Susan-Marie Date: 22 Dec 97 - 08:36 AM I've never been able to picture the Maid on the Shore as a mermaid because I would think a mermaid would stick to the sea. I think of her as a female land pirate, using herself as a decoy the way other land pirates would use lanterns to lure ships onto rocky coasts. I know there's a better term for that than "land pirate" but I can't remember it. I do plan on using If I Was a Blackbird, I think it's one of the prettiest "my love left me for the sea" songs. Thanks for all the great suggestions, everyone. The coffee house is in March, I'll let you know how all the songs went over. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Earl Date: 22 Dec 97 - 08:56 AM I beleive "land pirates" were called mooncussers because the plan didn't work when the moon was bright. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Jon W. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 12:29 PM The Maid on the Shore also had some magical powers, to be able to sing all the seamen to sleep. Right? |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Barry Date: 22 Dec 97 - 04:37 PM Mooncussers were those on shore who would set up false lights, on moonless nights or durning storms, to lure ships to the shore & then reap the landfall. The term I think you're looking for, instead of Land Pirate would be Land Shark. The maid on the shore, as I've been told, is a caster of spells, a witch, she magically (sometimes with an instrument) lulls the full crew to sleep. Susan-Marie, sorry I don't know how to write the music or where you'd find For The Love Of Willy, a friend of mine does it. Barry |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Moira Cameron Date: 23 Dec 97 - 02:32 PM The Maid on the Shore--I've seen several versions of this one written down. Of course, each version had it's own interpretation. In some she is clearly a supernatural being; in others she is simply a very smart young woman. I sing it with the latter interpretation. Why do we have to consider as having magical powers in order for her to outsmart a ship full of sailors and a captain? |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Bert Date: 23 Dec 97 - 03:10 PM Moira, I thought that ALL women had magical powers. I know my wife does. Bert. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: harpgirl Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:57 AM ...I would like to refresh this thread for my father, who has now become a Mudcatter whose name is "The Navigator"...harpgirl |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Grab Date: 08 Mar 00 - 08:15 AM Re Susan-Marie, they're often known just as 'wreckers'. Grab. |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Wavestar Date: 08 Mar 00 - 11:24 AM I feel as if I'm coming in late here, but I am almost certain that there is a version of "For the Love of Willy-O" on one of the February Tapes, by Gordon Bok and Friends... I know you're looking for traditional songs, but I always thought "The Ways of Man" (in the DT) was a wonderful woman's song about the sea, if a bit depressing. I know I should be thinking of some others, but am not... -J |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: harpgirl Date: 01 Jul 00 - 06:10 PM refried |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Peter Kasin Date: 02 Jul 00 - 05:58 AM Seattle chantey singer David Lovine recorded a song called "Bridget McCaughan The Bonnie Lass"(not sure if I have the spelling of her name right) about a crew member on a sailing ship. She not only takes an active role, she is, by all accounts in this song, a top-notch sailor. The words were written by David Lovine, set to the melody of a traditonal chantey. The album's called "Pierhead Jump." |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: karen k Date: 02 Jul 00 - 06:43 AM Chantyranger, I knew someone once who knew David Lovine and sang a couple of his songs but David didn't have anything recorded then. I've since lost track of that person who knew him. I liked the songs of David's that I heard. Do you know how to get a copy of his recording? I'd appreciate knowing. Thanks in advance. k |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: GUEST,shlenny from Bloomington Date: 02 Jul 00 - 07:05 AM Another song that you might interested is Jack-a-roe (in the database). Not an uncommon song, but relevant I bellieve to your goal.
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Subject: Lyr Add: A BRAVE WOMAN ^^ From: GUEST,Bill Scotland Date: 02 Jul 00 - 01:58 PM This song is about the North East of Scotland and the traditional role of the fisherman's wife. How the fishermen's braveness is more than matched by the courage of the women. The women used to carry the men to and from their boats so as the men didn't get their feet wet. A BRAVE WOMAN Feel the tide carress the bow The saat stings in yer een Feel the wind across yer face As the land is left aleen Wi nae si much as a backward glance And ivvery boat's the same It taks a brave man ti gang ti sea A brave woman ti bide at hame A fisherman aboord a boat Fan he's sailing on the sea Can ging for days in gales and storms Athoot a wink o' sleep But his wife'll tak him on her back And cairry him fae far he came It taks a brave man ti gang ti sea A brave woman ti bide at hame Chorus Brocht up ti the fishing wye Nae thocht o' naething else Feed yer man and yer bairnies first Afore ye feed yersel Bait the sma lines through the nicht Shielin mussels ivvery day Wash his feet and shave his face Sleep wi him and pray For God ti save him fae the sea And her fae anither bairn It taks a brave man ti gang ti sea A brave woman ti bide at hame See the sail boats runnin hame Afore November's gales See the weemen on the beach Fillin their mussel pails Ivvery year a boat gings doon A wife and mither is left again It taks a brave man ti gang ti sea A brave woman ti bide at hame Chorus See the aal wife starin oot Pullin tee her shawl Thinkin back ti her younger days Afore the purse and trawl A picter o' her fower young loons Stares back fae a silver frame It taks a brave man ti gang ti sea A brave woman ti bide at hame Chorus Chorus Cheers Bill ^^ added --- -- PA -- |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Peter Kasin Date: 02 Jul 00 - 07:30 PM Karen K - David Lovine moved to Germany last year and I don't have his current contact info. I do have an extra copy of "Pierhead Jump" and would be glad to send it to you as a freebie. If you'd like, go to my personal messages and leave me your snail mail address and I'll send it along. chanteyranger |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: karen k Date: 02 Jul 00 - 08:23 PM Chanteyranger, Thank you for your kind offer. Have sent you a personal message. karen |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: IanC Date: 03 Jul 00 - 08:36 AM For a real horror, I like singing this one (in DT): Cheers!IanC |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: IanC Date: 03 Jul 00 - 08:49 AM re: Banks of Green Willow. Sorry! Now I've looked at it, it's only a fragmentary version of the one I sing. Perhaps the other version in DT will be more complete. If not, I'll post the whole works. Cheers!IanC |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 03 Jul 00 - 09:03 AM I know its modern but don't forget "Polly on the Shore" |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Peter Kasin Date: 03 Jul 00 - 12:38 PM A song about a parrot, eh? -: |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: Melani Date: 03 Jul 00 - 03:31 PM For a really funny one, try "How to Gain A Husband", by Annie Lore, recored on "The Grey Cocked Hat". It's pretty old and might be hard to find. "Jackaroe" IS in the data base, two different versions. It's also called "Jack Monroe", but that one's NOT in the data base(at least I couldn't find it just now).Recorded by Teresa Morgan on "Victory Sings At Sea". |
Subject: RE: Women & the Sea From: harpgirl Date: 08 Oct 01 - 02:07 PM refresh for Kathryn of "Women Outlaw" thread. |
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