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Subject: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 03:44 AM

While sorting out her attic my sister-in-law came across a lot of family music. Most of it has gone to local choirs etc but one item Herself rescued was one of her childhood pieces. It is the Spring Term 1958 BBC Schools Singing Together and Rhythm & Melody.
It contains:
Bonny blue-eyed sailor (Dunhill/Fyleman)
Water of Tyne (Northumbrian folk song)
Wraggle Taggle Gipsies (English folk song)
Early one morning (English trad.)
Ye Banks and braes (Burns/trad)
Planting Trees (Plannu Coed, Welsh folk song Eng. Words by Imogen Holst)
Wandering Miller (Schubert trans. Miller)
The Keeper (Warwickshire folk song arr.Sharp)
Drummer and the cook (capstan shanty)
Kathleen Tyrell (Irish folk song trans Fiske)
Haul away Joe (foresheet shanty)
Shepherdess (French folk song arr. Whitred)
Shady Grove (Square dance from Kentucky)
Waley Waley (Folk song from Somerset arr Sharp)
Migildi Magildi (Welsh folk song ,Eng words by Dobbs)
Lieutenant Kije (Prokofiev)
Song of Lieutenant Kije (Russian folk tune, words by Whitred)

I realise most of these will be familiar to folkies but I can post the words to any that might be of interest. I could also photocopy the music of any of them and post or fax to any one interested, I can't do the music on my work PC.

RtS (I wonder if today's primary (elementary) schools do such a range of folkie music?)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 05:24 AM

RtS,

About half the songs you list were current in NZ schools (well the ones I went to) in the 50s. Doubt any of our primary schools would include any in their "sing-a-long" repertoire nowdays. Oh, for the good old days...

Sam


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Llanfair
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 06:54 AM

D'you know, Roger, I'm pretty sure I've got that one somewhere!!!!
I have a vivid memory of getting ready to go to Brownies(!!!)and there was snow on the ground outside, which is unusual for Manchester. I was singing "The Keeper" at the top of my voice. I don't think I've sung it since, but I can remember most of it!!
Thanks for the reminder,
Cheers, Bron.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 08:40 AM

The memories are so strong, I can just about remember a good 50% of the songs on your list. My time with singing together is really 1960's
Can anyone remember such pearls as "the pigeons in the market Square" or "11 playing cricket, tip it and run"
But we also did "the keeper" and many more main stream folk stuff
Great memories - thanks Roger
love Patrish


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 09:04 AM

Bostin' stuff, Rog. I haven't sung The Keeper since ... last night in the pub. But then I live in Warwickshire, anyway. And I sang 'Early One Morning' in the pub at about 8am on May Day - we'd been dancing at 5.30

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 09:53 AM

Oh Well, In for a penny... as they say, I've been meaning to work out what I have got in Sining Together pamphlets for years. I seem to have lost a few of mine but the list of songs I can find is:

A New Song On The Taxes (Ireland)
Aiken Drum (Old Scottish Nursery Rhyme)
All Bethlehem's A Blazing (Spain)
All Through The Night (Welsh Folk Song)
Alnwick Football Song (England)
An Austrain Landler (Austria)
Andulko The Goose Girl
Appezollers' Song
At Last Unto The Mountains (Swiss Round)
Avenging And Bright (Irish Tradiational Tune Words by Thomas Moore)
Banana Boat Song (West Indies)
Be Still My Heart
Billy Bones' Hornpipe (Germany)
Black Sir Harry (Welsh Folk Song)
Blaydon Races (England)
Blow Away The Morning Dew (England)
Blow The Man Down (Halliards Shanty)
Boney Was A Warrior (Halliard Shanty)
Bonnie Dundee (Scotland)
Botany Bay (Australian song)
Bound For South Australia
Bound For The Rio grand (Windlass and Capstan Shanty)
Brave Topolini (Italy)
Brian O'Lin (Scotland)
Bring A Torch, Jeanette, Isabella (Old French Carol)
Casey Jones
Cavalry Of The Steppes (Russia)
Charley Is M' Darlin (Scottish Folk Song)
Chiapamecas
Christmas Day In The Morning
Christmas Is Coming (Round)
Chu-lu-lu (Samoan/Polonysian)
Cielito Lindo (Mexico)
Cockles And Mussels (Ireland)
Coconut Tree (Philippines)
Come And Sing Together (Hungarian Carol Words by Max Krone)
Come Oe'r The Stream, Charley
Cosher Bailey (Wales)
Cuckoo
Dance To Your Daddie (Scottish Folk Song)
Darby Kelly (Irish Song)
Deck The Hall (Welsh Carol)
Donky Riding (English Traditional Sea Song)
Drill, Ye Tarriers (America)
Drum March for Guy Fawkes Day
Earth's Joy (Mexico)
Elsie Marley (Old Chester Rhyme)
Eriskay Love Lilt (Scotland)
Evening Music (Germany)
Excelsis! Gloria!
Far In The Forest (Finland)
Farewell My Own True Love (America)
Farewell To Fiunary (Trad Scottish Tune Words Rev Norman Macleod)
Farewell To Tarwathie (Scotland)
Flight Of The Earls (Irish Folk Song)
Flower Of Killarney (Irish Folk Tune)
Flowers In The Valley (English Folk Song)
Football Crazy (Irish Song)
Four In A Boat (Appalachian Mountain Song)
Fourpence A Day (England)
Fum! Fum! Fum! (Spanish Carol)
Gabriel's Message (Old Basque Noel)
Glenlogie (Aberdeenshire ballad)
Go Tell It On The Mountian (America)
Greek Shepherd Song (Greece)
Green Grow The Leaves (Northumberland Folk Song)
Greensleeves (English song arranged by Vaughan Williams)
Gypsey Dance (Spain)
Gypsy Davy (America)
Happiness
Hear The Glad Tidings (Polish Carol)
Here Come The Navvies (Ireland)
Here Comes The Navvies (Ireland)
Heron From Brecon (Wales)
Hey Ho The Morning Dew (Ireland)
Hieland Laddie (Scottish song)
High Germany (English Folk Song)
Ho-la-hi (German folk song)
Hope The Hermit (Seventeenth-Century English Song)
Hungarian Carol
Hunting The Hare (Wales)
Huron Indian Carol (Canada)
I Have Four Sisters (England)
I Loved A Lass (Scotland)
I Wander (Denmark)
I Wonder As I Wander (America)
I'm Not Strong (Round)
Ifca's Castle (Czechoslovakia)
In A Gondola (Italy)
In My father's Garden (France)
In Nightly Stillness (Polish Carol)
In Summer The Sun Shines Brightest (Sweden)
Island In The Sun (West Indies)
Jamaica Farewell (West Indies)
Janko, Janko, Better Beware (Slovak folk song)
Jennie Jenkins
Jesus Is Crying
Jim-along-Josie (American folk song)
John Barleycorn (Somerset Folk Song)
John Brown's Body (Marching Song Form The American Civil War)
Johnny Todd (English Folk Song)
Joseph and the Angel
Joy Of Springtime (Wales)
Joy To The World (by Handel)
Kalinka (Russia)
Kelvin Grove (Scottish folk song)
King Arthur (England)
King Arthur;s Servants (North Country Folk Song)
Kitty Of Coleraine (Ireland)
Kookaburra (Australian Round)
L'il Liza Jane
La Cucaracha (Mexico)
La Pique
Land Of The Silver Birch (Canadian Folk Song)
Leave Her Johhny (Capstan Shanty)
Lewis Bridal Song (Scotland)
Li'l Liza Jane (American song)
Lilliburlero (Seventeenth-century song)
Linden Lea (Words by W Barnes, music by Vaughan Williams)
Linstead Market (Jamaica)
Lisa Lan (Wales)
Little Bull (Traditional American Song)
Little Red Bird (Isle Of Man)
Llangollen Market (Wales)
Llantwit Major (Welsh Oxen Song)
Lonely And Far Away
Lucerne To Weggis (Swiss Folk Song)
Lullaby (Ireland)
Lullaby Carol ( Polish Carol)
Lullaby For Baby Jesus (Brazilian Carol Words Translated by Ruth Heller)
MacPherson's Farewell (Scotland)
Mango Walk (West Indies)
Maranoa Lullaby (Australian Aborigine Tune Words By M Lyell)
March Of The Magi (France)
Marco Polo (Words And Music By Hugh Jones)
Marianina (Italy)
Mary Ann (West Indies)
Mary Had A Baby (St Helena Island Spiritual)
Mary Had A Boy Child (West Indies)
Men Of Harlech (Welsh traditionals song)
Migildi Magildi
Morris Men (Welsh Song)
Mountain Dancer (Czechslovakia)
Mountain Duel
Mowing The Barley (English folk song)
My Bonny Cuckoo (Old Irish Air)
My Boy Billy (English folk song)
My Grandfathers Clock (America)
My Own Pretty Boy (Irish Song)
My White Horse (Chilie)
Naples (Italy)
Nature Carol (Philippines)
Newcastle Fair (Ireland)
No Room Was There For Mary (Spain)
Noel (By Hillaire Belloc)
Now The Winter Is Past (Iceland)
O Rare Turpin (England)
O Sleep My Pretty Baby (Mexico)
O Waly Waly
O, Once I Went A Walking (Germany)
Oh Marlborough's Gone To War Sir (Peurto Rican Melody)
Oh Ru-Ru-Ru (Mexican Carol)
Oh, 'twas In The Broad Atlantic (England)
Old Farmer Buck (English folk song)
Old Mister Noah
Old Zip Coon (America)
On This Day (Welsh Folk Song)
Once A Farmer And His Wife (Wales)
One Man Went To Mow (English Traditional Song)
Ould John Braddlum (English Folk Song)
Out In The Meadow (Israel)
Pat Of Mullingar
Patrick On The Railroad
Pay My Money Down (America)
Pedro Go Go Pescador (Portugal)
Peppinetta (Italy)
Per Spelman (Norway)
Perched Up High
Phil The Fluther's Ball (Words And Music by Percy French)
Pierlala (Belgium)
Polly Oliver
Poverty Carol (Wales)
Pretty Pena (Mexican Folk Song)
Queen Mary (Scotts song)
Red Sombrero (by Peter Hutchings)
Rejoice And Be Merry (Dorset Carol)
Riddles (America)
Rise Up, Shepherd (Negro Spiritual)
Robin Hood (English Trad Tune New Words By Gordon Hitchcock)
Rocky, Rocky Road (West Indies)
Running Song
Sacramento (Sea shanty)
Sambalele
Sandy (Round)
Santy Ano (America)
Scarborough Fair (England)
Scotland The Brave (Scotland)
See Amid The Winter Snow (Music by John Goss)
She'll Be Comin' Round The Mountain (American song)
Simple Gifts
Sing Carols To Mary (France)
Sing Sing (Round)
Sir Eglamore
Skye Boat Song (Scottish Song)
Softly Sings (Round)
Some Folks Do
Song Of A Country Girl (Wales)
Song Of Lieutenant Kije (Russia)
Song Of The Western Men (England)
Sour Grapes (England)
Spring Song (Swedish Folk Tune Translated By Ruth Ostland)
Stenka Razin (Russian Popular Song Translated by Jacob Robbins)
Strike The Bell (England)
Sugar Candy (Scotland)
Swansea Town (Wales)
The Ash Grove (Wales)
The Bagpipers' Carol (Italy)
The Bannana Boat Song (West Indies)
The Beautiful City Of Sligo
The Bells Of Aberdovey (Welsh Song)
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
The Boys Of Kilkenny (Ireland)
The Candlelight Fisherman (England)
The Carnal And The Crane
The Cherry Tree Carol
The Child's Carol (Melody from Piae Cantiones 1582)
The Coast of High Barbaree
The Crocodile
The Cuckoo Carol (Czechoslovakia)
The Dashing White Sergeant (Scottish Song)
The Derby Ram (England)
The Donkey's Burial (Spain)
The Drover's Dream (Australia)
The Drummer And The Cook (Music Hall Song And Sea Shanty)
The Erie Canal (America)
The Farmyard (London folk song)
The Fireman's Song (England)
The Fisherman (Portugal)
The Fox (England)
The Garden Where The Praties Grow (Ireland)
The German Band (Denmark)
The Ghost Of Tom (Round)
The Gipsy (Wales)
The Girl I Left Behind Me (Ireland)
The Greenland Whale Fishery (America)
The Gypsy Davy (American Version of an English Folk Song)
The Gypsy Rover (Ireland)
The Handsome Butcher
The Happy Fiesta (Mexico)
The Heavenly Child (Austrian Carol)
The Holly And The Ivy (by John gardner)
The Holly And The Ivy (English Carol)
The Holly Tree (Y Gelynnen) (Welsh Folk Song English words by Carlene Mair)
The Hopak (Russia)
The Huron Indian Carol (Canada)
The Jolly Carter (Folk song)
The Keel Row (Northumbrian folk song)
The Keeper (English Folk Song)
The Keys Of Canterbury (Somerset folk song)
The Lady Bird (German folk song)
The Leaving Of Liverpool (England)
The Leprehaun (Ireland)
The Lincolnshire Poacher
The Linden Tree Carol (Old German Tune Words Translated by G R Woodward)
The Little Red Wagon (American Singing Dance)
The Lullaby Carol (Italy)
The Mallow Fling (Ireland)
The Marigold
The Meadowlands (Chezhoslovakian Folk Song)
The Meeting Of The Waters (Irish Song Words By Thomas Moore)
The Mermaid (England)
The Mingulay Boat Song (Scotland)
The Mountain farm (Wales)
The Mountain Skier (Austria)
The Mountains I Love (Switzerland)
The Nature Carol (Filipino Plantation Song)
The Noble Duke Of York (English Traditional Song)
The Old Man Of The Woods (Welsh Folk Tune)
The Old Man Who Lived In The Woods (America)
The Pearly Adriatic (Yugoslavia)
The Pedlar (Ukranian Folk Song Words by Max Krone)
The Piper O' Dundee (Scotland)
The Praties They Grow Small (Irish Folk Song)
The Quaker's Wife (Somerset Folk Song)
The Quakers Wife (Scotland)
The Rain Song (Words By John Parry Music by Douglas Coombes)
The Riddle Song
The Road To The Isles
The Rommel Drum (Belgium)
The Search For Lodging
The Shanty Boys In The Pine (American Lumberjack Song)
The Shepherd And His Dog (Welsh Folk Tune Words by Barbara Kluge)
The Shuttle Rins (Scotland)
The Silver Wheat (Wales)
The Song Of The Parrot (Guyana)
The Spinner (Catalan Folk Song Translated by Margaret Fullerton)
The Star Of The County Down (Ireland)
The Stranger In Cork
The Streets Of Loredo (America)
The Tartan (Scotland)
The Three Pirates (English Folk Song)
The Tinga-ting Bird (Italy)
The Tinker's Wedding (Scotland)
The Top Of The Morning (Scottish Sheep Shering Song)
The Tortilla Vendor (Chilie)
The Tree In The Wood
The Tuneful Guitar (Italian Folk Song)
The Twelve Days Of Christmas (English Traditional)
The Two Shepherds (German Carol)
The Upward Trail (Round)
The Wark O' The Weavers
The Water Of The Tyne (England)
The Wee Cooper O' Fife (Scotland)
The Wild Colonial Boy (Ireland)
The Wild White Rose (Wales)
The Wreck Of The Sloop John B (West Indies)
The Yellow Rose Of Texas (America)
The Yellow Sheepskin (Wales)
The Yodler's Carol (Austria)
There's nae luck about the house (Scottish song attributed to Jean Adam)
This Old Man (English Folk Song)
Tiritomba
Tortilla Vendor (Chilie)
Tramping Song (Irish Song)
Troika (Russia)
Tum Balalyka
Twankydillo (Traditional song)
Two Shepherds (Germany)
Tyrolean Cradle Song
Tzena, Tzena (Israel)
Up And Down (Round)
Up Good Christen Folk (England)
Village Revels (Czechoslovakia)
Viva La Musica
Vreneli (Switzerland)
Water Come A Me Eye
Wattzing Matilda (Australia)
Westering Home (Scotland)
Where Is John
Whippoorwill
Who'll You Give Me To Sail Away (Irish Folk Song)
Will You Go Lassie
Windy Old Weather (England)
Wraggle Taggle Gipsies (England)
Yellow Bird (Haiti)
Zither Carol (Czech Folk Tune Words by Malcolm Sargent)
Zum Gali Gali

Jon


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:02 AM

Wow that's impressive. All I can remember singing in school was
Dashing away with the smoothing iron
Soldier soldier won't you marry meStrawberry Fair
Hob y Deri Dando
Ffarwel i Blwy Llangower
Bugeilio'r Gwenith Gwyn


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: JulieF
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:10 AM

I remember the singing together programmes about 1968-early 70s. I went to a very small village school where three years were taught together. The teacher used to wheel in the radio from her house for the programme. Each year there was a new set of songs which were mainly folk songs from around the world with the odd one thrown in ( eg Football crazy.

All the best

Julie


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:10 AM

...and the winner is....(opens golden envelope). John Freeman of Norfolk! Big hand, folks, for Jon for saving/acquiring so many of these (surely you're too young to have owned them, Jon?)and reviving many memories of sitting cross-legged on the floor listening to the sounds coming out of the big speaker!
RtS


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:31 AM

Roger, '58 Is too early for me - I'm the same as JulieF, except the teacher didn't bring a radio from home.

The earliest pamphlet I have is Spring '67 and the latest, summer '86 but there are some gaps. I would guess I got my collection in about 1988. I got them from Hayden Smith who used to sing in the North Wales folk clubs and teach guitar around the local the schools. I think he used to grab any song books that were being thrown out of the schools he taught in.

Jon


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 11:54 AM

I don't know whether it was the singing together programme, I certainly remember at my junior school in the mid-1970s that we had singing sessions along to some radio programme. A lot of the songs on Jon's list might have been sung, but the only one I definitely recall singing is Ol' Zip Coon (hard to think now that this was deemed appropriate for 1970s British schoolrooms!).

Brian


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Ringer
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:31 AM

I date my love of English folksong from Monday Mornings at 11.00am and Singing Together with William Appleby (about 1954 to 59). We always used to hear the sign-off tune from Workers' Playtime beforehand. And Rhythm and Melody on Wednesday, Time & Tune on Friday, same time. And Music and Movement on Tuesdays & Thursdays, but I'm less enamoured of the memory of that!

Happy days.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Kernow John
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 05:20 PM

The school I work at was throwing all their copies of 'Singing Together' out a couple of years back.
I managed to salvage a whole box full. If I list the sets available would anyone in UK like to make a donation to the 'cat in exchange for a set? I'll pay postage and packing to get them to you. I don't need to know how much you donate just that you have.
KJ


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: MMario
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 12:21 PM

Hey Jon! got the lyrics for Hunting the Hare?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Jeanie
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 01:59 PM

It looks as though he has, MMario. I've just put a reference to this thread on the "Hunting the Hare" one.

I went to a very old-fashioned private "dame school", run by Misses Norman and Pluck, who had a maidservant called Grace who wore Victorian-style maid's clothes. I am not *that* old - this was in the 1960's - but the place was in a lovely time warp ! As well as "The Keeper" and "Three times round went our gallant ship" and so on, we also sang (and acted out) a song which I have never since been able to find:

Old Roger is dead and laid in his grave
Hey, ho, hobbledy ho
We buried him under the apple tree shade
Hey, ho, hobbledy ho

Then there was a bit about an old woman coming and picking apples from the tree and Old Roger getting up from the grave and scaring the old lady.   Does anyone else know this one ?

Another one we used to do was "We've come to see Jenny Jo" - the gist of it was that you had to wear clothes of different colours depending on the state Jenny Jo was in, and it ended with her dying and everyone wearing black. Wonderful Victorian sentimentality. Anyone know that one ?

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 02:25 PM

There's a text for Poor Roger in an earlier discussion:  Poor Roger. That particular one is an example from Ireland, but it was common throughout Britain and the North of America in various forms and under numerous names (number 797 in the Roud Folk Song Index).

The second one turns up as Jenny Jones, Jilly Joe, Janet Jo, and so on. Again, it was quite widespread over the same sort of areas (Roud 1047). There's another children's song, Jenny Jenkins, which retains the basic form while dropping the plot, so there is no death or funeral. I don't know if it derives from the other, but it wouldn't be surprising. Several examples are in this thread:  Jenny Jenkins.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Jeanie
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 02:49 PM

Thanks, Malcolm, that's wonderful !
It's great to see those Old Roger lyrics again - all the little boys in the kindergarten used to fight over wanting to be the old chap giving the lady a kick - some of them were quite vicious, as I remember. I always preferred to play the part of the apple tree.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Jackie
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 04:32 PM

There's a blast from the past ! What a great idea that was. Do they have an equivalent now ?

I am from Glasgow, and when the kids from our local primary school were told to go home and ask their mums and dads what songs they would like to be taught at school their answer was Matt McGinn songs.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 04:34 PM

Mmario, I have very few pamphlets here at the moment and the odds are I don't have that one. The good news is that Dave has finished scanning my set. See this folkinfo post for the lastest I know.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: lady penelope
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 06:52 PM

I was 7 in '73 and we sang from 'singing together" for '60 something. But we only ever sang the same three songs or something and by that time there was an 'educational programme' that went with it.

This changed into 'Music Time' by the time I was 9. They had scores that the relevant notes lit up as the music played.

Aaaah, they don't make 'em like they used to......


TTFN Lady P.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Elinor
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 01:00 PM

I'm trying to find a copy of the Welsh words of Migildi, Magildi - I know the first verse but I would like to learn the others - do you have a copy you could send to me? I'd be VERY grateful

Thank you


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 01:08 PM

yes I remember burYIng, roger under the old apple tree,About 1958.
we sang the Girl I left behind me,o no john,Boney was a warrior,early one morning,
thankyou Malcolm Douglas


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 04:39 PM

The Welsh words of Migildi, Magildi? Try


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 04:41 PM

Oops! I meant try here


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 05:53 PM

DMcG
You seem to have entered some form of timewarp or loop. Did you mean to link to Jon Freemans site, Folkinfo.org?
Try this one http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/displaysong.php?songid=652.
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: bubblyrat
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 06:03 PM

We must have been on a different wave-length in Easebourne,near Midhurst,Sussex,where I was at Primary School in 1958(aged 10 ) ---The songs I remember best were The Ash Grove...Westering Home...Johnny come down to Hilo...The Golden Vanity...The Lincolnshire Poacher...The Minstrel Boy....All Through the Night---
Well,the headmaster was a Welshman ( Mr Bevan,isn"t it?? ) & yes,Folk Music was Compulsory (I am very glad to say !!)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' lyrics of Brave Topolini
From: GUEST,sarahcalico
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:46 PM

I'm trying to find the lyrics of Brave Topolini. I remember learning it at school and would love to teach it to my little boy. I've hunted high and low and this is just about the only place I've found that mentions the title.

If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:07 PM

Thanks for sorting out my second attempt, Geoff. I do seem to have got into a timewarp. The problem with cutting and pasting links from tabbed browsers is that you do seem to be "in a maze of twisty passages all alike".


(Actually, I PM'd someone within minutes of those posts and posted a faulty link there as well. It must have been a bad day.)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:12 PM

And in answer to sarahcalico's post - I'll post the lyrics of Brave Topolini in a day or two, unless someone else does so first.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,maggie.sullivan
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 05:46 AM

Couldn't believe my eyes. asked google bout bbc pamphlets and found your site. I was born '57 (Lancs)but was using singing together pretty soon after that. So was a Scottish collegue born 10 years later. You wondered if any schools still did 'folk' type songs -that's the reaason I am trying to find if booklets are still around. We want to teach children in our school something'new'! Grateful for any donations, especilly if music is acompanied as we have another teacher who loves to play all kinds of songs.
School address
c/o Maggie Sullivan
St Anthony's R.C. Primary School
Genoa Road
Anerly
London
SE20 8ES

school e-mail
maggie.sullivan@st-anthonys.bromley.sch.uk


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 11:42 AM

Ok, it took more than a day or two, but here are the lyrics of Brave Topolini anyway:

Crowding the streets of Roma
Motor car chariots go by,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Trumpet-toned horns are sounding,
Bright as the sunrise of day,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Noisily going their way.

Making the tour of Roma,
Seeing the sights as they go,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Romaing the fabled city,
Faster than Caesar would dare,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Zip through the flower-filled square.

Opera nights in Roma,
Thrill to a new serenade,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Famous as Rigoletto,
Louder than Figaro song,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Thundering madly along.

When you depart from Roma,
Bearing this sound-souvenir,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Coins in the Trevi fountain,
Promise that you'll hear again,
Brave Topolini, vroom, vroom, va-ra!
Singing their welcome refrain.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: BB
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 01:03 PM

Maggie, you might try to get hold of a couple of books, 'The Funny Family' and 'The Jolly Herring' which were around when my children were small in the '70s. Now that I have a granddaughter, both I and my daughter wanted to look them out. I think we'd lent the first to someone and never got it back, so I found a copy through a brilliant site called Bookfinder4U - sorry, I tried to make a link, but can't make it work at the moment, but try Googling for it. You might also take a look at Simon Mayer and Hilary James site www.childrensmusic.co.uk, where they have a couple of CDs available. Don't know what they're like as I haven't yet got round to sending for them, but they're excellent musicians, so I would expect them to be good.

Good luck.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Compton
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM

Now why does the name "william Appleyard" come to mind with all this.
I remember singing "My Love's an Arfbutus by the borders of Lein" without having a clue what it was all about. It must have had some effect on me as I've been singing Folk Song ever since!
I also remember in the far off days listening to "Music and Movement" (on the Home Service??) and running around being leaves...or staing still and being a tree shaking in the wind.

Happy Days.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 10:35 AM

The Jolly Herring - 77 Songs - Folk and Pop
Is that the one?
First published 1980 by A. & C. Block (Publishers) Ltd.
ISBN 0 7136 2095 1 / 0 7136 2094 3 (depending on the type of cover)
It's got quite a reasonable assortment of stuff.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: BB
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 04:57 PM

That's it, Geoff. I hadn't realised it was published that late though. Mind you, my youngest was only four at the time. Doesn't time fly when you're growing older?

Barbara


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 11:09 AM

D McG - thank you so much for the Brave Topolini lyrics - you have made my day! (I must confess that I did keep checking back and then it slipped my mind and I've just checked now.)

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!

Sarah


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Gadaffi
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 11:24 AM

If anyone's interested, I saw of bundle of 'Singing Togethers' for sale in a second-hand bookshop in Rye ten days ago - the one down the hill from the parish church near Simon the Pieman.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Young Buchan
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 07:01 AM

Singing Together was of course the origin of Big Brother. All schools who took the broadcast had the right to nominate their 3 (I think) favourite songs; those songs that did not get enough nominations (usually the quiet ballady ones) were voted off and did not appear in the final broadcast of the term when all the loud, in-your-face songs were sung.

As to Old Roger Is Dead, in my (Suffolk) neck of the woods, being the Apple Tree was not a safe option, because it was progressive. The Old Woman selected the Apple Tree, and went on to receive her clout from Old Roger. Then for the next round the Old Woman became Roger, the Apple Tree became the Old Woman, and Roger dropped out, back into the general circle. So the new Roger handed out the clouting to the person they had originally nominated as the Apple Tree.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Girl Friday
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 09:21 AM

Have just aquired "The New National and Folk Song Book Part 1 (teacher's edition, by Desmond McMahon. £2.50 from second-hand bookshop.It's dated 1938. Songs therein are:

Admiral Benbow
Afton Water
All Through The Night
The Ash Grove
Auld Lang Syne
The Baillif's Daughter of Islington
Blow the Man Down
Blue Bell of Scotland
Blow the Wind Southerly
Bobby shafto
The bonny Briar Bush
British grenadiers
Broom,green Broom
Carrion Crow
Charlie is my Darling
Cold's the Wind
Come Lasses and Lads
Come Ye not from Newcastle
Dance to Your Daddy
Dead Horse
Dear Harp of erin
Deck the Hall
The Dumb wife Cured
The Dusky Night
Early One Morning
Fire Down Below
The Frog and the Crow
A Frog he would a-wooing Go
gather ye rosebuds
God Save The King
Golden Slumbers
Gossip Joan
Hanging Johnny
Harvest Home
Here's a Health unto His Majesty
The Hunt is Up
The Brisk and Sprightly Lad
I Drew my Ship
I have House and Land in Kent
I sowed the Seeds of Love
If all the World were Paper
With jockey to the Fair
John Dory
John peel
The Jolly Waggoner
The Jovial Beggar
Just as the Tide was Flowing
The Keel Row
Kelvin Grove
The Laird of Cockpen
Land of my Fathers
The Lass of richmond Hill
Lavender's Blue
Leave Her Johnny
The Lincolnshire poacher
Loch Lomond
Men of Harlech
The Mermaid
The Minstrel Boy
My Bonny Cuckoo
My little pretty One
Oh Dear! What can the matter Be?
Old King Cole
The Piper o' Dundee
Polly Oliver
Richard of Taunton Dene
Rio Grande
Rise, rise, Thou merry Lark
Roving
St Patrick was a Gentleman
Saucy Sailor
Sir eglamore
Sweet Nightingale
The Miller of Dee
There was an Old woman
The water of Tyne
We're all Bound to Go
When Johnny Comes Down
Widecombe Fair


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Young Buchan
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 10:31 AM

I seem to recall that 'Rhythm and Melody', 'Time and Tune' and 'Music and Movement' were similar programmes for different age groups. So poor Ringer who seems to have had all three in a week must have had an extremely lazy teacher.
One of them used to specialise in the Sailor's Hornpipe which we had to dance not only to the 'proper' tune but also to the Trumpet Hornpipe. [They say that a proper classical musician is someone who can hear the Blue Danube without singing 'Shiphams for tea, for tea, for tea' or for a younger generation one who can hear O sole Mio without singing 'Just one Cornetto'. By the same token is a real folk musician someone who can hum the Trumpet Hornpipe without thinking of Capt. Pugwash and the Black Pig? On an entirely irrelevant theme I am convinced that over the years I have heard the Trumpet Hornpipe introduced as the Oxford Hornpipe and bizarrely the Traffic Hornpipe. Am I senile, or has anyone else come across these?]


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Russell
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 08:21 AM

Dear John Kernow

I am interested in making a donation for set of your books. Are you actually selling the books themselves?

Thanks Russell


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Russell
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 08:23 AM

John my email is tiger_elephant_cat@yahoo.co.uk if you wish to contact me regarding a donation for a set of your books.

Thanks Russell


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Laura
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 01:17 PM

Hello everybody

I am so pleased to have found this discussion group. I've just been out walking the dog, singing away to myself all the old songs I could remember from Primary School (almost 30 years ago!).

Can anyone help with this one - it starts off

"T'was the 15th of September, how well I do remember
I nearly broke my poor old mother's heart.
For I shipped with Captain Nipper on a good 4-masted clipper
Bound to far away and foreign parts.
And the wind began to blow and the ship began to roll
And a devil of a hurricane did blow, aye-aye-oh,
It nearly knocked the stuffin' from the Good Ship Ragamuffin
And we thought that to the bottom we should go...."

I can't remember the other verses but I remember us giving a rousing 'Aye-aye-oh' when we got to that bit in our tiny country school, with the Master playing along on a tinny old piano!

Am I being daft or has anyone scanned in the front covers of the old Singing Together books? I can't find that page, so would be grateful if someone could post it....

Many thanks
Laura


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 02:33 PM

'Kernow John' made his offer six years ago (see the date on his message) so I wouldn't expect much in the way of a reply from him; he doesn't seem to have posted in the Forum in the last three years.

For 'Ragamuffin', see these discussions from 2004-5:

Origins: good ship ragamuffin (words and background)

Tune Req: captain nipper (unanswered request for the tune).


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: BB
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 02:37 PM

I don't know how to do a link to the thread, but if you put 'Good Ship Ragamuffin' into the 'Lyrics & Knowledge' search at the top of this page, you should find the thread that includes all the words to this song.

Have fun!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Lesley
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 11:32 AM

Just found this brilliant site! I can remember sitting on the floor in the hall at school in 1957/8 singing "The Campbells are coming Oh Ho Oh Ho" then having to do it in a round.
Now I'm looking for the rest of the words. My present school has a 50th anniversary next April and - yes - we're having a 1950's timetable!!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Catherine Schmidt
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 06:16 PM

Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 09:53 AM

Come And Sing Together (Hungarian Carol Words by Max Krone)

My daughter is learning this song on her flute and would like to find the words to sing to her Hungarian grandfather. If we can find the English words they might help a Hungarian friend remember the original words for us.....

Much appreciated
Catherine


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Marie Purtill Southend on Sea Essex
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 06:59 PM

I thought I was the only one to remember Singing Together. I went to a primary school in London and we really loved singing along with the songs - I remember a lot of them on the lists, this site brings it all back. They definitely were happy carefree days.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: kerry and Mandy
Date: 12 Apr 08 - 05:53 PM

Singing together was alive and well in the 70's when I was little (showing my age!) I can remember one song quite vividly, Per Spelman. I've tried looking it up on T'internet but can only seem to get the Scandinavian words!!! If anyone has got the words I'd be really gratefull. Mandy


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 21 May 08 - 02:50 PM

I remember a bit of a song from Singing Together around the period 1962. It is about 'a fox with a great bushy tail.'


.....cluck, cluck,cluck cried the poor little creature
    Cluck, cluck, cluck but she cried in vain.

...? followed after but down in the farmyard
There sat a fox with a great bushy tail.


Can anyone remember it, please. I keep singing bits of it and would love to be able to sing it all.
Thanks in anticipation
Kate


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Steve Gardham
Date: 21 May 08 - 06:42 PM

Kate,
It's 'Paul's Little Hen' and it's a Norwegian translation. I have a copy somewhere in one of the old school pamphlets, but I've also got the Norwegian original in a Norwegian songbook by Mads Berg called 'Skolens Sangbok'. Unfortunately I don't know where all those funny things that go above the letters are on my computer

Pal sine honer

Here's what I remember

'Paul's little hen ran away from the farmyard, over the ....... and away from the farm.
Paul made a leap but could not catch her, now I shall never go there again
Cluck cluck cluck cried the poor little creature, cluck cluck cluck as she cried in vain.
If you wish I will have a good look for the translation tomorrow and post it.
Steve


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,m mclean
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 10:46 AM

Paul's little hen.            

Paul's little hen flew away from the farmyard,
Ran down the hillside and into the dale.
Paul hurried after, but down in the brambles
There sat a fox with a great bushy tail.
"Cluck, cluck, cluck", cried the pooor little creature.
"Cluck, cluck, cluck", but she cried in vain.
Paul made a spring, but could not save her.
Now she will never go home again.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Willa
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 03:06 PM

This is what I remember.

Paul's little hen flew away from the farmyard,
ran down the hillside and into the dale.
Paul hurried after but down in the brambles,
there sat a fox with a great bushy tail.

Cluck! Cluck! Cluck!
Cried the poor little creature.
Cluck! Cluck! Cluck!
But she cried in vain.

Paul made a spring but could not save her.
"Now I shall never dare go home again."


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 04:04 AM

Does anyone remember a song about circus? I am sure it began "putting up the big top" and also had the line "we deserve applause and praise that we dont get"
I can't bring the rest of the lyrics to mind, does anyone remember it?
Jinty


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Steve Amor
Date: 05 May 09 - 02:00 PM

I participated in "Singing Together" from Autumn 1960 to Summer 1962. Amongst the songs we sang were "Amsterdam Maid" (presumably with watered-down lyrics), "Oh I Love The Maiden Fair" and "Old Zip Coon",

One that I can now find no trace of had lyrics that began "Now the green leaves go, tomorrow I must go, today I shelter here so none may know". It appeared to be about a father on the run from the authorities saying goodbye to his children for the last time. I wonder if it dates back to the English Civil War, or the religious persecutions of the previous century -- or perhaps, more recently, from Ireland.

I don't remember the title -- is anyone familiar with this song?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Anne
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:18 AM

Hello

I am trying to find a song about a turtle dove, which I think may have come from singing together in the seventies. Words of first verse are

In a wood there lived a dearest turtle dove
And she sang so sweetly in her nest above
Oh I love that turtle dove so much I hope one day
She will gladly leave her nest and come with me to stay.

Can anyone help please? Thanks


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Betsy
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:20 AM

My recollection ( I was born in November 1947 – i.e. school years were decided on your date of birth ) so before leaving Junior school it must have been 1956 / 7 maybe 58 they had a competition to choose the most popular song of the school year .
The winner which wasn't particularly well–received in our school was Marianina (see Jon Freeman's unbelievably comprehensive list).
The refrain / chorus went "Marianina , Marianina, come, oh come, and turn us into foam."
Jeez – they don't write 'em like that any more.
Perhaps that's where the seeds were planted Eh?
I would love to make the singing of all these songs compulsory between 5 and 11 years with accent on Scottish ones in Scottish Schools, Welsh ones in Wales etc – but I can already feel as I type - some PC prick ready to batter me down.
They were a great way to learn the English language and how words could and can be used, and putting some melody into your life.
They were also a fabulous antidote to the American songs which were flooding our limited airwaves after the War – Yellow rose of Texas, What did Delaware boys etc. but THAT is another story which starts and ends ( I believe) with the Beatles .Hopefully the Beatles were influenced by the Subject matter – after all it was their era – it would be an interesting question to pose to Sir Paul Macca.

Cheers

Betsy


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Simon Tony
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 09:49 AM

Oh wow,the "turn us into foam" lyric sent me right back! Believe me, they still used Marianina in the mid seventies, and I seem to recall we all loved it. I was born in '67 by the way, and I adore the memories of "Singing Together" on the wireless at school, also "Time and Tune" when we were a little younger. Heady days for sure...


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Ringer
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:04 AM

No, no, Young Buchan (your post 11 Sep 07 - 10:31 AM), the programs were not meant for different age-groups -- they had different emphases. Singing Together was just that: singing; Rhythm & Melody and Time & Tune attemped to instill the basics of musical theory (perhaps these two were aimed at different age-groups - R&M had a booklet format similar to Singing Together, that is white booklet of about A5 size, whereas T&T had a bigger, landscape format booklet with bigger writing, bigger staves, etc).

Music & Movement was desperate: I recognise the embarrassment of Compton up-screen (24 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM) who obviously went through the same painful experience as me: being a tree blown by the wind to music, or being a swan to music, etc (along with skipping to music & other similar ridiculousnesses). My embarrassment was heightened to the level of exquisite torture in summer, when we had to do it outside, and a double-decker bus was due past....

But I did enjoy Singing Together.

William Appleby, I think, Compton. I, too, remember "My Love's an Arbutus"; your post implies that you didn't know then what it was all about, Compton: are you wiser now? ('cos I'm not - does that song actually mean anything?)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Betsy
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 12:18 PM

Ringer - you've just reminded me , I missed the Compton referred post - pretending to be a tree etc - painful is the right word - it was for me at least , terrified that any of my football mates should see me , total embarrassment .

Strange thought about the singing - no Tele , computer, film slides , power point presentations any visual images - just a great big lump of wood called a Radio and imagination.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Andy Muir
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM

Like many of you, I remember the happy days of infant and junior singing in the mid 60s. I have a collection from 1949 to 1968 catalogued in excel. I'm sure other would be interested in viewing it but I'm not sure how best to go about it.
So For GUEST Steve Amor. "Now the green leaves grow.." Is titled "The Song of Farewell", an Austrian Folk Song words by Ursula Vaughan Williams and was in Autumn 1960


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,mark lambert
Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:00 PM

My earliest memories were in the late seventies early eighties where i remember time and tune and singing together and hosted as i recall by douglas coombes, songs i remember include westering homes,migaldi magaldi,zum gali gali, kalinka, the cuckoo song,one particular series was a play and songbook of ming ming and the lantern dragon sadly i never got to own any, i also remember having to vote for your fave song at end and send them off in post which i remember being put in charge of doing ,but got frowned apon when i forgot to do so . oh what memories


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,ArranBrownButterfly
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:28 AM

I recognise several of these songs from the 1960s when I was at Trinity Academy Primary School, Edinburgh. One I'd like to find was 'The Neighbours', which so far I have been unable to locate on the web; I think it may be a translation of a French song. Here are the words of the first verse:

Bread have we none for supper
(Dance as we always do)
Over the way they have some
May we not have some too?

The second and third were similar, beginning respectively 'Wine have we none to cheer us', and 'Fire have we none to warm us'. The last verse was more optimistic and ended:

Over the way they're sighing
We'll dance the evening through.

Ring any bells?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Andy Muir
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:32 PM

To Arran Brown Butterfly
The Neighbours was in Spring 1956 It is a French folk song
Your first verse is correct.
2 Wine we have none for supper,
Dance as we always do!
Over the way they have some,
May we not have some too?
3 Fire we have none to warm us,
Dance as we always do!
Over the way they have some,
May we not have some too?
4 Fun we shall have in plenty,
Dance as we always do!
Over the way they are weeping,
We'll laugh the evening through!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 05:42 PM

Thank you, Andy Muir. They must have used 'The Neighbours' again in the 1960s. I wonder what the French words are?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Alban
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:14 PM

Ive just noticed that someone is selling 'old' Singing Together, Time & Tune, Music Workshop etc, pupils pamphlets and Teachers Notes on Ebay from early 70's onwards, a bargain!!

Alban


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Teekle
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 03:08 AM

Hi. I've only just found this tread and it brings back so many memories of the top class in primary school - all sitting listening to the massive radio in the corner of the room.

My favourites were Red Sombrero and a song about a Tiger called Tegrey (I may have spelt it incorrectly but that was what we sang). Does anyone know this Tegrey song. I'd love to know the words.

Teekle


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Sara O'Keeffe
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 05:03 PM

How lovely to find fellow Singing Togetherites. I was at school in Kingston-on-Thames in the late 60s and remember many songs from the programmes. It really instilled in me a great love of Folk from an early age. Does anyone remember 'The Zucturn Monster' (a variation of the Derby Ram'), or 'The Worples'? Also 'Where have you been to, Peter?' and 'Over the Rolling Plains' were some of my faves! Even better still, I remember a man coming into school with guitar singing us such songs as 'Och On, Tis pretty to be in Ballinderry' I've far too easily fallen in love with guitar-playing men ever since! It must be that golden seed. . .


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Sue Grainger
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:26 PM

Hooray!!Have found 'Marianina' at last. I sang it regularly in 1959 aged 8 to my new sister, parked in her pram next to my swing in the garden, though it didn't seem to work as a lullaby.... Little Red Bird of the Lonely Moor didn't work any better.
I have been trying to remember the words to Marianina recently but been frustrated by gaps- eventually tried Google and found this site. Yum.
Now I intend many happy hours ahead, supplementing my one precious but dog-eared Singing Together booklet.
Thanks everyone - amazing how powerful our music memories are.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:50 PM

Guest Teekle, there was a song called 'El Tigre' from the Peru booklet (forget its actual title) but that was Singing Together in the seventies (did it with my class)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:59 PM

The chorus was:-
Watch for his coming, El Tigre
Silent as nightfall, El Tigre,
Swifter than sunflash, El Tigre,
Lord of the jungle, El Tigre. (It wasn't a tiger, though, but a jaguar!)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:37 PM

oh kiji was a hooser bold a hooser bold was he
he fought so bravely for the Zhar
the pride of the cavelry


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 06:31 PM

what is the date for the tortilla vendor, i remember that from around 1980, but would love to know the exact date, i know it was on radio 4, any of the other shows around 1980/81 id love to know about


does any radio recodings exist ??

pete seaton


peteseaton2012@aol.com


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 07:01 PM

Spring 1981 is given in this thread: History - BBC's 'Singing Together'

Mick


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Kevin the gerbil
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 02:23 PM

Fascinating and very enjoyable thread this, which I found today when I googled "Singing Together", after I had been talking with a friend about being in the school choir. Singing Together was the brainchild of William "Pip" Appleby (mentioned earlier) who was based in Doncaster and who drew the singers in the Singing Together Choir from local schools in the surrounding area - and possibly further afield, but I'm not sure about that. I remember Singing Together and Sing at Sight from my primary school days in Doncaster in the late 50s/early 60s. The song lists given above are absolute gems btw - "Oh 'tis my delight on a shining night, when the copper's not about..." (With apologies to Rambling Sid Rumpo).

I know that for a while at least in the early-to-mid 1960's they used the Library in the then Doncaster Grammar School to record the shows for the BBC because the acoustics - rather ironic I know for a library - were considered to be very good. William Appleby is still remembered with great affection by many people in Doncaster as the man who brought the possibility of a good musical education to several generations of essentially working class children. And his work is continued still - and very successfully - in the town by the exceptional staff in the Music Centre named after him.

Thanks again all!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Guest, Naomi Hartley
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 01:39 PM

I've just stumbled across this fantastic thread. I was helping my son with some homework which mentioned China and the Silk Road. The following song then for some inexplicable reason popped into my head after last being sung circa 1974\5 at James Dixon Primary School, Penge SE20. 'When Marco Polo reached Venice with chinese silks and gold, no citizen would believe him, or trust the tales in told. Travellers tales, travellers tales, you can't believe in travellers, travellers tales!' I googled to lyrics and got a hit on this website. Ah the memories of listening to the radio in our music lesson at school- Happy Days! Thanks for the memories.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,ian1943
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 03:13 PM

I am 68 and was in a junior school from the late forties until the mid fifties and I remember our Tuesday (I think)morning broadcasts on the school valve radio of 'Singing Together' which was hosted, if that would be the word in those far-off days by William Appleby who, my understanding is,ended up as the Director of Music for Warwickshire. Had we but known then we were given a fine repertoire of English traditional songs. Some of us, in later years, recognised the debt we owe to these broadcasts and returned to the songs. William Appleby is a hero!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 09:09 AM

It was called Paul's Little Hen.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Grandma W
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 10:59 AM

I loved 'Singing together'. I remember Football crazy,Johnny Todd, Elsie Marley, Bonie was a warrior. I have just been babysitting for my Granddaughter and sang Johnny Todd to her.I have a growly voice and was never allowed into the choir but 'Singing together' was for everyone and growlers were welcome. I love knowing the words to so many old folk tunes.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST, Hilary - An Oldie
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 08:02 AM

I woke up with the Zucturn song in my head this morning. Remember it well and probably all the other songs in that songbook and all the others from whatever year it was.

Does anyone have those old Time and Tune Books still?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 09:02 AM

My little sister liberated me a couple when she was in junior school and I wanted more folk music than the local library could provide. I particluarly wanted the words to "Johnny Todd", so this woiuld be somewher around 1967 or so.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 09:10 AM

What was the title of
'Once there was a wild rose gay, on the moorland growing,
Till a careless boy at play chanced to see the tempting spray
On the moorland grow-ow-ing' ?
Sung by a shrill soprano, but nonetheless memorable.

All time favourite was 'Marianina'.

The first song I sang in a folk club c1965 was the chantey Sally Brown which I remembered from ST. Loved all the well-known chanteys.

All done in Donny! Marvellous. I thought all Donny was famous for was the Steam engine sheds. Ah, those were the days!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 09:24 AM

I fondly remember singing together and when I sing those songs it takes me back to when I learnt them and I can remember the illustrations in the text because the lyrics were entwined around the pictures. It was still going when I left in 68. Singing always more popular than enforced playford dances where I was partnered with a boy due to shortage of girls.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Guest - Betsy
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 07:33 PM

Hi Steve , I wouldn't wish to take issue with you, but I refer you to my post (above) of 24 Aug 09 re:- Marianina (just in case you missed it !) Amazing how one recalls these items of almost insignificant information.
I certainly have no intention of changing your opinion as to the song you enjoyed most.
Cheers
Betsy


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 10:30 AM

Hi Betsy,
Yeah the lyrics are rather airy fairy. It was the tune and chorus I liked.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 10:48 AM

Steve

I can't recall the English title, but your rose on the moorland song was a translation of Goethe's poem "Röslein auf der Heide", which was later adopted as a folksong in Germany


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 12:03 PM

Heidenröslein
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1771 (1749-1832)

Melodie - Franz Schubert, 1815 (1797-1828)
Melodie - Heinrich Werner, 1829 (1800-1833)

From an earlier Mudcat thread;

Once there was a wild rose gay,
On the moorland growing,
But a careless boy at play,
Chanced to see the tempting spray,
Which the breeze was blowing,
Soft red rose, red rose of may,
On the moorland growing.

Said the boy, "I'll pick you now",
On the moorland growing;
Said the rose, "I'll prick you now,
"That you may remember how
Sad I was at going".
Soft red rose, red rose of May
On the moorland growing.

Roughly then he snatched his prize
On the moorland growing,
After this he'll be more wise,
There before his very eyes,
Blood was freely flowing,
Soft red rose, red rose of may,
On the moorland growing.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 12:09 PM

Appleby was Music advisor in Doncaster. The schools Music Centre there still bears hs name. Oh, yes he was a massive influence on several generations including those who never heard of him but who sang from those booklets.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Geraint
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 09:21 AM

My fiance went to school in the '80s with a music teacher who played these songs on the piano and taught her students to sing along.

She must have carefully saved and preserved the Singing Together books.

There is one song in particular that my better half often sings to herself but we can't find the music, full lyrics or even title anywhere.

This is how she remembers it from the start:

"Take grasses and flowers on midsummer night and bind them into your hair
Laugh up at the man in the moon shining bright down over the pine filled air
Tonight you shall dance on the shores of the lake
With swimming and singing until the daybreak..."

Does anyone know the name of the song? Or have the music?
    Hi, Geraint - please follow this thread over the next few days, and I'm sure somebody will answer.
    -Joe Offer, Mudcat Archivist-


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 06:05 PM

Have just been reading through this thread again, and spotted a reference to a song about Per Spelman. The song began,
"Per Spelman was lucky and had a fine cow.
He wanted to fiddle but didn't know how..."
He ends up selling his cow for "a violin, a violin, a viiiiooooliiin."
But my naughty class used to sing "He wanted to piddle and didn't know how..." Nothing I did or threatened could stop them, probably because I was trying to smother my own giggles every time.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Qudsia
Date: 31 Mar 13 - 09:14 PM

In the woods there lived a pretty turtle dove,
And she coed so sweetly in her nest above.
Oh, I loved that pretty dove so much, I hoped one day,
She would gladly leave her nest and come with me to stay.

Birdy dear I'll give you everything you wish,
You shall feed always from a silver dish.
But no matter how I begged she only said "coe coe"
Gently shook her pretty head and away she flew


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Paul O'Neill
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 06:47 AM

That is the most bizarre thing, the same thing has just happened to me. I'm 43 this year and I must have last heard that song in my first year at Junior school. I remember the pictures in the booklet that accompanied it were really distrubing.

You had a better memory of the lyrics than me. I could only remember when Marco Polo reached Venice with China Silks and Gold. and the chorus.

Great memories


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 07:54 AM

From: GUEST,henryp - PM
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 12:03 PM

Heidenröslein
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1771 (1749-1832)

Melodie - Franz Schubert, 1815 (1797-1828)
Melodie - Heinrich Werner, 1829 (1800-1833)

From an earlier Mudcat thread;

Once there was a wild rose gay,
On the moorland growing,
But a careless boy at play,
Chanced to see the tempting spray,
Which the breeze was blowing,
Soft red rose, red rose of may,
On the moorland growing.


Lyrics and scansion seem reminiscent of one I learnt in school. Well, I say learnt, but I'm getting stuck for words now. But it does seem to be a different translation of the same song:

Saw a youth a morning rose,
Blooming in the heather,
Gently as her leaves unclose,
Straight to gaze on her he goes,
'Twas in Summer weather.
Roselein Roselein, Roselein, Rose,
Rose among the heather

Cheers
Nigel


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Bluebell
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 02:20 AM

This forum is amazing! I'm an OAP now living in Canada and today, for some unknown reason, as I was working in the garden I suddenly started singing 'Boney was a Warrior' but couldn't remember all the words. I recalled that it was from a 'Singing Together' booklet, did a Google search, found all the lyrics and this site. Such memories from the 1950's - Mr. Nixon, our teacher at a tiny village school near Manchester, twiddling with the knobs on an old pre-war radio trying to tune into the BBC; it was such a disappointment when he couldn't find the station (Home Service?)and we had to do without our singing session.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Annemieke
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 03:06 PM

Hello everyone, I'm from the Netherlands (so excuse me for my poor English) and I'm 25 years old. I was about 9 years old when I learned an English song in English class about rain and things you can't do because of the rain. I looked it up and came across this forum. It's called The Rain Song. I would be so happy if someone is willing to send me the sheetmusic, so I could sing it correctly to my son. He loves the song so much, I have to sing it every night to him, but I partially can't remember the melody. So, if anyone has the music of The Rain Song, please respond :)

Annemieke (Anna Mary)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: danensis
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 03:15 PM

Annemieke,

Not the Led Zeppelin one I take it?


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 20 Aug 14 - 04:52 AM

Hello!

What a brilliant Forum - I found it because, pottering around the house yesterday, I suddenly found myself singing "Handsome John Brown", which became a total earworm! Probably the last time I heard it was circa 1957 at my small Church Primary School, St John the Baptist, Smallbridge, Rochdale, under the aegis of Mr Harry Corser - wonderful headmaster, and Manchester Morris Man. So I googled the lyrics, and was amazed to find that I was almost word perfect (!)

I have often wondered if primary school kids still learn this kind of Folk/Popular music. I really hope they do - it was life-enhancing then, and still is...

Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Sue
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 02:10 AM

I just stumbled across 2 "time & tune" booklets in the local oxfam shop. Attracted by the woodcut illustrations i spent a whole pound on them... now to try out on my trusty recorder. They include: As i was crossing Berwick Bridge; Skye boat song; Blow the man down; Come all you young sailors; Hilo somebody; Bobby Shafto; Donkey riding (1959). 2nd book: Ferdinando the donkey; the quarrelsome bells; London bridge is broken down; Jackie the sailor; Gloucestershire wassail; a babe is born in bethlehem (1964). Happy to scan and share if someone can tell me how / where to do this on mudcat :-)


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 02:19 AM

If you're interested in sharing, Sue, contact me and we'll work something out.
-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 10:10 AM

100.
AS I started this thread (one of my most successful, it seems!), I feel I ought to claim the century!
RtS


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,Camdenbear
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 06:27 PM

I too had a eureka moment when discussing Marco Polo and the following sprung to mind, 'When Marco Polo reached Venice with chinese silks and gold, no citizen would believe him, or trust the tales in told. Travellers tales, travellers tales, you can't believe in travellers, travellers tales!'

Thought it came from a cartoon till I googled it and found this site, then the singing together sessions (which had been buried deep) all came back.

However what was the song called??


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,normalil
Date: 30 Nov 14 - 08:00 AM

I was an avid Singing Together fan during the 1950's. A huge wooden radio and black and white pamphlets with charming illustrations. I loved "Marianina."

O'er the ocean flys a merry fey
soft her wings are like a cloud of day.
As she passes all the blue waves say,
"Marianina do not roam
come and turn us into foam
come and turn us into foam,
Marianina, Marianina, come o come and turn us into foam.

The Rose on the Moorland song we learned with ST, and I sang it solo at our school concert circa 1959! I still remember all the words, and so many others!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,jiver (17 Feb 2015)
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 07:37 PM

Does anyone remember the "votes" for best song at the end of the year? I think this was on "Rhythm and Melody". I remember the presenter was a man with a northern accent, and when he announced one year, (would have been 1960 or 61) that the winner was "Who Is Sylvia?" the whole class was incredulous, as we were sure it would be "Men of Harlech", which we would all sing lustily, even though we were in Egham, in Surrey!
I can't remember my class voting, perhaps we couldn't afford the postage.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,jenny
Date: 07 May 15 - 07:00 AM

Love this thread it made the school days a lot more bearable and happier to sing these songs with your fellow classmates.I remember the trout by schubert and the fisherman with rod and line, also barbara allen and many many more. It woul be lovely if the children now still learnt them. thanks


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,DTM
Date: 07 May 15 - 09:12 AM

Re. the end of the year vote. I remember 'The Lewis Bridal Song' (aka Mhari's Wedding) and 'Westering Home' winning. Generally the winner was a song with gusto rather than a ballad.
For some unknown reason the Welsh song 'All Through The Night' spooked me for years.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 May 15 - 04:12 PM

Hi, DTM- interesting that you should name two songs connected to Glasgow Orpheus Choir director Hugh S. Roberton, who wrote the words for "Mingulay Boat Song" (1938) and set it to a traditional tune.

Lewis Bridal Song (Mairi's Wedding) was published by Roberton in 1937, with words by Hugh S. Roberton and a traditional tune noted by Roberton from Dr. Peter A. MacLeod. Roberton wrote words and music for Westering Home (1939)

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' 1958 UK
From: GUEST,David Healy
Date: 25 May 15 - 04:29 AM

I remember some of these from the mid 50's at Woodhatch Junior School near Reigate. I had forgotten the BBC programme but the thread has kick-started the brain! Now retired, I play guitar and sing around care homes on the Isle of Wight ( where I now live) and I already sing some of these songs to the residents. I plan to include a few more! Sadly, quite a few of the old people suffer from the various forms of dementia, but it's fascinating to see how these old tunes and songs stimulate them to take part.
Music and Movement? I have slightly different memories of that; I'm not sure if it would be politically correct these days to have the boys dancing around in their school shorts but the girls having to tuck their skirts into their knickers......


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' - BBC Song Booklets
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 16 Aug 15 - 10:03 AM

I went to Williamsburgh Primary School in Scotland from 1975-82 & remember singing several songs from "Singing Together" : Mhairi's Wedding; Kalinka; Jamaica Farewell; Gypsy Rover, My Grandfather's Clock; Waltzing Mathilda; Marianina to name a few. I don't remember listening to them on the radio tho!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' - BBC Song Booklets
From: Megan L
Date: 16 Aug 15 - 11:23 AM

Jiver the man with the northern accent was probably its first presenter a Yorkshire man Herbert Wiseman


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Subject: Lyr Add: The Tortilla Vendor (Singing Together)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Aug 15 - 09:02 PM

Things get answered eventually: (requested Feb 2012)

THE TORTILLA VENDOR
Singing Together Spring 1981 (no names given) Source given as Chile.

In the evening as I wander
Through the town by lantern light,
When I'm passing by your window,
Then I sing a last goodnight.

Chorus:
Ah! I am sighing, While my wares I'm crying:
Who'll buy from me tostaitas? Buy my tortillas?


Oh, dear lady, why so cruel?
Why no answer to my song?
When I'm passing by your window,
And the day has seemed so long.

Cho:

In the evening I am going
By my lantern's glimm'ring light,
I must leave you without knowing
If you think of me tonight.

Cho:

X: 1
T: Tortillavendor
M: 3/4
L: 1/4
C: Chile
Z: NP 01/09/2015
K: D
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Copied from the BBC for schools booklet "Singing Together" (Spring 1981)
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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' - BBC Song Booklets
From: GUEST,Re: songs I remember NOT on list?
Date: 18 Sep 17 - 04:58 AM

Haul away joe(away haul away....)
Merry Christmas (sun gleams bright ...Aussie Carol)
Beep Beep
Van diemans land
***not sure of names but the two I remember go like this "it was a beaut bike me bike", which was done in a round and the other "Chis, fips and sausage rolls, 5 guys tall and lean, you could say string beans"
Was there one called hillungully rider?
Thanks for the memories. The Carol was my favourite. I hate all Christmas songs except this one, so it's catchy!!


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' - BBC Song Booklets
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Sep 17 - 06:06 AM

Hill and gully rider
The list is here: Mudcat
Haul away joe is in Spring 1958
Van Dieman's land


partial answer only.


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Subject: RE: 'Singing Together' - BBC Song Booklets
From: GUEST,DorothyB
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 02:47 AM

Delighted to find this site - I have lovely memories of Singing
Together and still have books: Autumn 1949,
Cock-a-Doodle-Doo
Amid the New-mown Hay
The Keeper
Child in a Manger
Gold and Amber
St Distaff's Day
Christmas Carol [Ye shepherds so drowsy ... ]
Whence is That Goodly Fragrance
I Saw Three Ships
Jesu Good Above All Other
Ye Holy Angels Bright
Prince and Princess
Christmas Lullaby [Italian folk tune : begins La La La La etc]
Past Three O'Clock
The Spinning Wheel
The Bellman' Song
From Bethl'em's City
Christ is born

Spring 1950:
British Grenadiers
Lincolnshire Poacher
Fairest Isle
The Gnat
Ho-Ro! My Nut-Brown Maiden
Sweet Kitty Clover
Venture Gwen
The Well of St Keyne
Willl Ye No Come Back Again?
Little Rabbit in the Corn
The Song of The Flax
O Rare Turpin
The Shepherdess
The Little Chicken
Bonny at Morn
Wee Willie Grey

I'll be very happy to email any songs requested.
Also Autumn 1956 & Spring 1957 [given to me when I went to visit former teacher who was retiring].
I'll post those lists of songs later.


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