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Subject: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:13 AM

Have you seen the CNN report on voter fraud in Florida? It came out yesterday. Better brace yourself Doug, MAV, Uncle Jaque


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:23 AM

Report: Florida 'grossly derelict' in 2000 vote June 5, 2001 Posted: 2:35 PM EDT (1835 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Florida officials at all levels were responsible for widespread disenfranchisement of the state's minority voters in the 2000 presidential election, according to a report drafted by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

The commission says the officials were "grossly derelict" in conducting the election.

Florida's election process came under scrutiny in November 2000 after GOP candidate George W. Bush garnered just a few hundred more votes on Election Day than his Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, to win the state's crucial electoral votes.

Despite losing the national popular vote to Gore, Bush won the presidency after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that capped a contentious five weeks of legal battles and recounts.

The commission's report, which will officially be released on Friday, did not find evidence of a conspiracy among Florida officials.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, both Republicans, are singled out in particular for ignoring "mounting evidence" of problems with outdated voting technology in a number of counties, and for ignoring requests for guidance and assistance from local elections officials.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights describes itself as an "independent, bipartisan agency" directed by the White House to -- among other duties -- investigate complaints that citizens have been unfairly deprived of their right to vote.

The commission's report, and its early leak to news organizations before the official release date, has angered members of the commission who were appointed by Republicans, who say they were not consulted.

Commission member Russell Redenbaugh, a GOP appointee who identifies himself as a political independent, said the evidence contained in the report fails to support the report's conclusions. Redenbaugh said commission Chairwoman Mary Frances Berry -- an independent and a Gore supporter -- leaked the report to further her personal political agenda.

The eight-member commission -- half appointed by Congress and half by the president -- is made up of three independents, four Democrats and a Republican, according to its Website.

The report also finds that the state's African-American voters were most affected by the voting problems last year. For example, the commission cites statistics showing that predominantly African-American voting precincts were more likely to use older voting systems with higher error rates than more affluent, predominantly white voting districts. As a result, the report concludes, African-American voters were 10 times more likely than white voters to have their ballots rejected.

In addition, the report alleges that an "overzealous" statewide campaign to reduce voter fraud resulted in disproportionately denying eligible African-American voters from casting ballots on Election Day. African-Americans were more likely to have been erroneously removed from voter registration rolls than Hispanic or white voters, the commission says.

The report also criticizes local election supervisors in counties hardest hit by voting problems, saying they showed a "lack of leadership" in protecting voting rights. These officials failed to adequately prepare for the election, according to the report, and "simply permitted the unequal distribution of quality voting equipment ... without the public being aware that an electoral disaster might be approaching."

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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:25 AM

The truth is an awful slippery little critter, though. It's hard to capture on a piece of paper; or on a thousand pieces of paper. Sometime I think we're better off letting it go and moving on.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:40 AM

Never could understand people who act like ostriches. I want to know the truth, it's the only thing I can deal with.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:43 AM

Don't go into politics, kendall!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Caitrin
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:08 AM

You know, there's a great song by the Arrogant Worms..."Don't go into politics, you'll end up dead."


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:11 AM

So can we impeach both of them and get them out? Then, would Gore be in? Seems a shame to let the usurper continue.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:12 AM

Hey, we've had a counter-coup, at least!


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:16 AM

Reminds me of 1974. Nixon was doing a big public appearance somewhere, and the MC says to him "Shall I say the magic word, Mr. President?"...and in the half-second before Dick gets a chance to reply, someone in the crowd yells out loud and clear... "Impeachment!"

Boy, what a classic moment that was...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Matt_R
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:18 AM

The Good Will Out, great album by Embrace. All you good good people, come back to what you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: UB Ed
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:19 AM

Kendall, I've read your article three times. Exactly what "truth" are you talking about here?

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: LR Mole
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:36 AM

"Truth's a dog must to kennel", says Lear.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:41 AM

"My cat's name is mittens" - Ralph Wiggums


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:46 AM

Kendall – I love discussing politics. The only time I stick my head in the sand is to find out what's buried there. I try hard to understand the facts surrounding events so that I can developed an informed opinion about what may have happened. But I would not even pretend to know "the Truth" regarding most things.

On Nightline last night, the chairman of the committee (who was accused of leaking the report) faced off against the one Republican committee member. Needless to say, "the Truth" chose not to attend. It was all posturing and politics, as both sides tried to defend or tear down a report which has not officially been released yet or voted on by committee members. Essentially, what they're all hissing about is a DRAFT of the report.

In my opinion, there is little reason to leak a controversial document other than to discredit it in advance. After all, leaking a document like is perceived as a political move and always results in skepticism about the credibility of the contents. But, of course, that's just my opinion.

My concern is that by arguing about the truth of what happened in this case in Florida, we will be distracted from fixing the system, which is a much larger issue. It's like generals getting ready to fight the last war; there are better ways to spend our time.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,AMos
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 11:48 AM

Sometimes it pays to realize that the truth outs in mysterious ways. For example:

Police Seek Unapologetic Flatulent Officer

LONDON (Reuters) - British police sought a flatulent officer Wednesday after a family complained that a policeman broke wind in their London home during a drug raid and failed to apologize.

A Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed that the Department of Professional Standards was investigating a charge that an officer broke wind in the complainants' hallway but did not apologize to the homeowners.

"We can confirm that the department is investigating an incivility charge during the search of a home under the Misuse of Drugs act," the police spokesman told Reuters.

The Daily Mail newspaper Wednesday printed a letter from Scotland Yard to the officers involved in the drugs raid informing them of the complaint.

"An allegation has been received from a person in the house that one of the male officers broke wind and did not apologize to the family for his action...the complainant felt it was rude and unprofessional," the letter stated.

Police did not confirm what discipline the officer might receive if found guilty of breaking wind.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 11:52 AM

Matt, I've seen all good people turn there heads each day; so satisfied, I'm on my way.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 11:53 AM

Amos, "Two minds with but a single thought!"
RtS (see my thread BS gas...)


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: BobP
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 11:58 AM

"You want truth, you can't handle the truth", thus sayeth the attorneys and judges on all sides last fall.

Here are a few "truths" as told to us by "guess who"!
- The state's voting machinery has been overhauled.(br> - Officials of both parties have promised a smooth process next time.
- Statewide elections are just 18 months off.
- One more "election by lawyers" & the system is dead.
- Floridians have ample time to study the "atrocity".
- The stage is set for a people's showdown.
- Florida voters will, at last, demonstrate their will.

Last chance for the elective process?

Reverberations of "Go vote, it's your civic duty" will fade slowly into the mists of time.

Assuming the idealogical split in that unfortunate state remains about even, whatever tilt comes from the next election will be the people's expression in response to last fall's "atrocity", says me.

Will the people abide and accept the results or will attorneys from whichever side comes up short, spin us around and explain the voter's "intent"?

Will ABC's early exit polls cause those heading out to vote to give up and go home thinking their cause is lost?

If the results from statewide office races show up squeaky close, will the loser demand a recount?

When that moment occurs, you'll have your truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Matt_R
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:03 PM

Alex, you've been hanging with the Starship Troopers again, haven't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:06 PM

Matt! Though you've seen them, please don't tell a soul.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:11 PM

Anybody who doesn't vote because of what they hear on the news deserves to have their candidate lose.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Matt_R
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:18 PM

I'd be telling anyone Alex, I've got the clap.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Peg
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:34 PM

A friend of mine said something very provocative the other night. He had not registered to vote in about eight years, prior to last year, and he got sick of a mutual friend of ours saying "If you don't vote you have no right to complain, etc."

But then, when he registered and voted last year, he said he realized his vote doesn't actually mean anything, (since the candidate who actually "won" the election, lost the election when it was hijacked by the Supreme Court and the Florida Legislature (okay not in that order).

I said that on some level it proved his vote DID mean something, since if more people had voted, the outcome may have been very different...

We will never know. I now fear other voters and non-voters will reach the same conclusion; what damn difference does it make if I vote or not?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: SDShad
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:34 PM

Well, all I have to say is this: move me on to any black square, use me any time you want.

Oh, what was the real topic? Florida? African-Americans having trouble voting in Florida? I'm shocked, and stunned, truly.......**...phhhh....***snicker****

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.

Shad


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:53 PM

Think, if just 3000 more left-leaning Floridians had voted, Jeb and the Supremes would have had to work just that much harder to overturn the election and get Dubya into the Oval Office. At some point they would have reached a breaking point, and been unable to fake it, and the man who won the election would have become President.

Every vote counts!

And Shad, all I have to say is, just remember that the goal is for us all to capture only ONE.

And Matt: Don't surround yourself with yourself. Move on back two squares.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Matt_R
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 01:09 PM

You and Leej--a congregation of politic wurms!


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 02:08 PM

Did we really count to 100?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 04:11 PM

I'm skeptical. If voting is supposed to be anonymous then how can they know whose votes weren't counted?

Of course every vote counts. Just because you vote, though, that doesn't mean your guy is going to win. I vote Libertarian. My guy never wins. But my vote counts.

Now let's fix the goofy system. How big of an undertaking would it be to have a standardized voting system that was the same in every state?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 04:29 PM

It's not really sensible to hand the whole ball of wax to either guy when they each only got about 50% of the vote. Yes, I realize that's how the system works...or is supposed to at any rate...but I think it's a very bad system. It arbitrarily denies the will of approximately half the people at any given time. That happens because the people were arbitrarily divided into 2 opposed camps in the first place and then asked to choose between them.

Hell of a stupid way to run a society.

You could form a government without parties at all, and save yourselves this misery. Said government would function as a council that met in a CIRCLE of equal partners, not as a house divided into two opposing halves.

It's been done, you know. It is possible.

Ah, but what the hell...who am I to mess with your political war? Go get those rotten Redemopratublicans!!!

Destroy the b*st*rds, I say! :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: UB Ed
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 04:31 PM

Kim, I agree. Kendall is apparently surprised that the FLA voting folks were incompetent and seems to feel this leads to a conspiracy theory. In 2001, we certainly should be able to accurately count votes.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 05:22 PM

I don't know that the people are incompetent as much as the system they use. But haven't they been voting that way for years? And now all of a sudden there's a problem?

I dunno. I'm going to sit back and watch and see what happens.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 06:41 PM

Read the article. It will save me explaining what it said. Ok, the upshot is, too many African-Americans were screwed out of their right to vote.(Shades of the 60's) Why? could it be that they tend to vote for democrats?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 06:56 PM

Sorry...that was supposed to be "Redemocrapublicants". A mastodon's head at one end, and a horse's ass at the other...

The poor things are extinct in Canada, but we have equally strange beasts of several varieties here, so all is not lost, I suppose.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Matt_R
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:56 PM

Alex, to answer your question, I'd say "Yes".


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:34 AM

The word "competency" just jumps out at me whenever I see it in a discussion on voting. The competency involved should be related to choosing the best candidate - judging character and evaluating arguments and positions - not to the ability to figure out some arcane ballot or voting machinery, or how to keep from being purged from the voting roles.

The question that will not be answered in any of the inquiries into the last election is whether or not people in a position to do so took actions that made it more difficult for specific population groups to register their choice for president.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: UB Ed
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:55 AM

Kendall, the article says "more likely" and "did not find evidence of a conspiracy among Florida officials".

That's all it says.

Reference Bart's post above regarding politically posturing and muck swimming. This is all about spin doctors and self-serving politicians.

The fact is neither you nor I nor anyone else "Knows" what happened there. What you're expressing is your opinion. An opinion that does not have access to all the facts. And you somehow extrapolate that to the truth?

Somebody leaked the report for a reason and you seem to be the target audience. Why allow yourself and opinions to be manipulated like that?


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:54 PM

What it says and what it implies are not the same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 01:14 PM

imply and infer are not the same thing...nor are fact and supposition


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: UB Ed
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 03:35 PM

Kendall, my friend, that is exactly my point. Implications are simply that. Such an article allows folks to form there own conclusions. But to depict these self developed conlusions as truth is not responsible.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 05:34 PM

What about the people who testified that they had been intimidated at the polls and left? What about the fact that the junk machines were mostly in poor black areas? Is that supposition? Voter fraud is not new, a friend of mine was overseas at election time years ago, and he told me that when their absentee ballots arrived, they were all glued together making them useless. And, this time around, the republicans spent 60 million dollars to influence the service people overseas. How many ballots were delivered without postage dates? they were counted. Split all the hairs you want, the republicans stole it, and, the democrats have already started to take it back. RE ELECT GORE IN 2004!


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 09:37 PM

I'm tired of this pointless picking. I'm outta here.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 08:53 AM

Kendall says "What about the people who testified that they had been intimidated at the polls and left? What about the fact that the junk machines were mostly in poor black areas? Is that supposition?"

I don't know if its supposition or not...if you had posted a news article or report that stated that this happened than I would have supported your intent. I don't even totally disagree with the point you are trying to get across...what I was trying to point out was that instead of posting any of these facts or reports, you posted an article about a report that might be released and may or may not be substantiated :
"The commission's report, which will officially be released on Friday, did not find evidence of a conspiracy among Florida officials"

"Commission member Russell Redenbaugh, a GOP appointee who identifies himself as a political independent, said the evidence contained in the report fails to support the report's conclusions. Redenbaugh said commission Chairwoman Mary Frances Berry -- an independent and a Gore supporter -- leaked the report to further her personal political agenda. "

And to state that what a news story says and what it implies is silly...a news story is supposed to say what it means, that's the difference between news and creative writing, and if the writer is not doing that than they are a bad news reporter.

If you don't like Bush and just want to say so, I have no problem with that...but you can't post a news article about a draft report that denies any conspiracy but makes claims that may or may not be supported by the facts and say "THE TRUTH WILL OUT". Especially since I heard from this friend of mine that his brother's teacher's sister heard about a guy who said the exact opposite.... :)


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: BobP
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 11:05 AM

I wonder if perhaps there's one point on which almost all would agree.

- Whether the repub lawyers made their case before the supreme court or not,

- Whether the court was justified to step in or not,

- Whether the chaos created by the Florida courts deserved federal intervention or not,

Involving the federal judiciary in that state's election process was a terrible, terrible idea!

Might it have been better to allow the ugliness to play itself out, even if it interfered with electoral timing?

Even if Gore won by judicial acclaimation and took office in June?

Once upon a time popular referendum had nothing to do with the selection of presidential electors.

Did the medicine cause more harm than good?

Would the patient have been better off had the disease been allowed to run its course no matter how ugly?

Should last fall's threat to democracy should have been met with "faith in the process" that the patient would eventually get back to health?

You may not understand that, but I'm sure Jefferson would!

Interfering was politically expedient, but left a tumor behind, says me.

Democracy has a way of righting itself naturally, said Jefferson or Madison (maybe both)

I don't think Americans have lost their sense of fair play; but I do think that of the lawyers and judges.

We learned a terrible lesson about goin to war without considering the long term consequences and vowed to let no further "Viet Nams" occur.

Could we not say that we've just learned a corollary lesson? This time is was judicial power, instead of military power, that corrupted the natural process.

Do you think it preposterous that one day Viet Nam may have free and open elections, while down in florida a politbureau of judges and lawyers have seized control?

Too far fetched?

Probably!


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: DougR
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 02:15 PM

GuestUB Dan, don't try to confuse Kendall and my other liberal friends with facts.

Bart, I think there was ONLY one reason for leaking the report to the press before even the one Republican on the Commission had an opportunity to read it: politics.

The commission's chairman would not even release an advance copy of the report to the Governor of Florida (who had requested it). Somehow, it made it's way to the press though, didn't it?

If a commission such as this one wants to be taken seriously, it must, I believe, be truly bi-partisan. This one certainly is not.

UB Dan reported the most meaningful statement in the report: "The commission found no evidence of conspiracy by Florida officials."

Bush won, Kendall. Get over it, and work to get YOUR man elected NEXT time (if you can). :>)


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: Peg
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 02:55 PM

Why do these discussions always devolve into one guy's pathetic attempt to pick apart someone else's opinions with petty snivelling pedantics?

Just wonderin' :)


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: UB Ed
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 03:38 PM

Ah c'mon Peg, I don't think that's it. You know the old adage, believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. There is very little objectivity in the media; that's why a careful read is important.

By the way, whats the deal on your housing?

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 03:51 PM

It's not pedantics Peg. You might as well ask, why do these arguments always devolve into somebody trying to impose logic on the discussion. A discussion is a sharing of ideas if its just all of us hooraying with each other over slogans and quips, it would be called a pep rally. Also, I am not picking apart Kendall's opinion...I was pointing out that although I respect his opinion, the article he chose to post neither supported nor refuted his opinion...in fact it is totally irrelevant to any opinion since it doesn't really say anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 04:46 PM

If my memory serves me, a buddy of mine banged Berry's son for five years mandatory for crack at the start of Clinton's date-rape of the American people. If she is the same one, she tried to to use the buggaloo squad in DC to sidetrack the warrant, but it was a Viginia case and he got all five years. I sure one of you folks with all the time and search engines could pull up the case.

And in reference to the road blocks set up by Miami police; the Miami papers reported it was a seatbelt check, and the conkheads that claimed they had been harrased by the PO-lice forgot that the radio traffic of all officers stopping cars that day was taped and archived. When the FBI investigated, they found that most of the lying fools had been never stopped (all tags on vehicles that were stopped were radio'd in) and those that were, were released within minutes in locations that had no relevence to the voting poll locations where these people were supposed to vote. Those that showed up at the proper polls voted within 15 minutes of entry at the busiest time. And the diddyboopers that were videoed at the Commission meeting screaming about being intimidated by what turned out to be a 72 year old jewish female poll worker?

Even the black democrats on the Civil Rights Commission weren't dumb enough to call it a "Right-wing conspiracy," but obviously some liberals are...


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 04:52 PM

(all tags on vehicles that were stopped were radio'd in)

If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida I'd like to interest you in.....

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: the truth will out
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 06:15 PM

Alex, I don't have to believe it, I KNOW IT. As a a cop for 18 years, I can tell you that an officer ALWAYS radio's the tags of the car he is stopping, and if the radio is too busy, and something pops in front of him, he scribbels the tag number on his palm as he gets out. More than one case of an officer shot dead, has been solved by checking his hands for tag numbers.

Furthermore, it is common in many jurisdictions, that if the officer does not mark back in within three minutes, saying in effect, "Everythings 10-4, I'll be checking tags, issuing warning, giving directions, etc." you send backup immediately. As a Shift Commander, I have reamed young officers who forgot this, and suddenly saw several cruisers roaring to their "rescue", only to discover he was "giving directions" to the mythical Suzie Rottencrotch, and had forgotten to "mark in".

Those whose political agenda included using mythical intimidation for their laziness in voting, forgot that police departments are closing the loopholes on those who would lie to Commisions as well as to those officers who would lie to their superiors.

I worked internal affairs for three years, and I have a small prediction to make. As departments use video and computer surviellence (with GPS) on their officers activities, the same number of minorities will be stopped as are now alleged in "racial profiling", only this time their violations, and subsequent behavior will be on tape.

When 12 percent of the population commits close to 50 percent of all crime (with various percentages within each specific crime classification, such as less white collar and fraud, and more assualts, murders and rapes), you will still find those percentages on the street.

Make no mistake, there are bad officers and bad supervisors, but did you ever wonder at the rate for bad attorneys or bad doctors? And only one group must submit to extensive background checks and lie detectors to get their job (and occasionally to keep them).

Miami is a minority run department, and to doctor the tapes, which would be easily caught by the FBI crime lab, in a city where most officers are union-democrats, would be a fantasy that only a liberal could support.

As for the swamp land in Florida, considering the intelligence of the voters, I'll pass thank you...


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