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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: bhb Date: 12 May 06 - 05:17 PM refresh |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Nov 04 - 08:49 PM Oops! I put in the link but it disappeared- http://esl.ee.sun.ac.za/~lochner/blerkas/: Afrikaans Folk Music |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Nov 04 - 08:45 PM Ons Blerkas has a large selection of Afrikaans folk music, most with midi. Marais and Miranda sang a number of these. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Nov 04 - 07:07 PM One aspect of African music that tends to get neglected is Afrikaans music - I gather there's quite a lively tradition. Here's a page about it Anglo Concertinas in South Africa, and a link in it to an interesting site with lots of pictures, and details of records, though no sound files that I could find - Traditional Boer Music |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Nemesis Date: 29 Nov 04 - 06:30 PM There's a very good site supplying exhaustive range of African music http://www.natari.com/ |
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Subject: RE: African music From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 29 Nov 04 - 09:15 AM I was looking for a thread on African music just so I could advise readers that there are several articles/reviews on the topic at http://www.bellaonline.com/subjects/5714.asp this is the first suitable thread I located |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 11 Jul 01 - 10:37 AM Mikey Joe, check back in, sounds great! Also, found this in today's WashPost: Malian musician |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Mikey Joe Date: 10 Jul 01 - 08:11 AM Hi Mrrzy, I am planning to go to South Africa to visit firends early next year, but woul dlike to arrange a side trip to West Africa esp Senegal & Mali as I love the music of the region I listen to a lot of Ismael Lo, Ali Farka Toure and Baaba Maal. Mj (Irish)
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: katlaughing Date: 09 Jul 01 - 11:24 PM Welcome back, Mae. HearMe went bad, so we now use www.paltalk.com. Don't always have Sunday sessions anymore and there are a number of rooms available at different times. Tonight there is one, if you look for the Paltalk thread you will see, but you have to download the program first. I think there is more info in the FAQs thread, if not look for other threads with Paltalk in the name. I just spoke to a woman in San Diego, who just came from Kenya, by way of Manchester, England. She is really enjoying California. kat |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Angelia Date: 09 Jul 01 - 11:06 PM Thought I'd finally come to your rescue after reading and laughing so hard that i think i might have split my side/s! As Mark put it (and shame on you for forgetting!!), I was a former mudcatter...not a participant as far as playing the music, but definitely an avid listener! By the way i miss you folks. After a while of the rooms getting changed and playing "where's the 'hear-me' room", i gave up and stopped searching. I would like to start listening again if someone would tell me where the next session will be. Still on Sundays? Originally from Kenya, East Africa (100%) but now call the U.S home. I've lived here for 8 years and have a half scottie half kenyan son who just turned 6. Used to live in Sacto, CA but now live in Fremont (and loving it!!), CA. Hope this anwers your original question. As for the other topics that have come up from your original question (which cracked me up coz the answers had nothing to do with the question...haha), we can always start a new thread on Evangelism, African Art, and any relations to Africa? Thanks for the laugh folks.. Mae |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jun 01 - 03:48 PM I just got the CD's I bought on bidville. com. Am listening to one by Vusi Mahlasela called "Wisdom of Forgiveness." He's got a gorgeous voice. While I prefer the quieter, more acoutsic cuts, the jazzier songs with a mix of contemporary and trad instruments are a lot of fun, too. So far, I like it very much. I bought another one which I haven't listened to, yet, got all 5 today. Anyway, it is "Egypt: Echoes of the Nile, Aspects of Egyptian Music." I think I will really like it, sounds prety trad with songs like "Bell Announcinf Sunday Morning Mass," "Copic Wedding Dance and Song," "Sounds of the Mizmar" and there are 3 specifically listed folk songs: "Farewll Beloved," "Got Our Old Stuff," and "Folk song with Tambura: Nubian Girl." Glad I went to the mail today! kat |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 17 Jun 01 - 09:17 PM Wow, Frogmore, pity you didn't roam through Abidjan, you would for sure have ended up at our dinner table! That is exactly the kind of person my Mom used to collect - I came home from school once and found a whole Crossroads Africa group... And when I was in Lome, I never saw a white cab driver, male or female! But it was the Peace Corps doctor who dealt with me when my gall bladder blew up, thanks, whoever he was. And Charlie, thanks, I'll check them out. Unfortunately most of the individuals we knew are dead, victims of the AIDS plague, but I'll still look around! |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Frogmore Date: 17 Jun 01 - 08:25 PM "Old Africa Peace Corps Days" - YES - Although I was not in the Peace Corps, I was a wandering guy with a backpack and a journal who benefitted greatly from PC peoples' help - medication when I was sick, reliable info about places I was headed to, and cool camraderie. I arrived in Dakar from the Canary islands in 1972 and made my way through Mali (the "Bamako Express"), Haute Volta, Ghana, Togo, Dahomey, Nigeria, Niger, Algeria, Morocco and back to Europe. This was the richest time of my life and cost me the least. I wish anyone who remembers South Carolina Dave would contact me. Gregory Peck's son (can't recall first mane) was in Dakar and I recall him as a very nice guy/gentleman. Continuing with the name-dropping, I camped at the old fort in Dix Cove, Ghana with the offspring of Linus Pauling and wonder what became of them. I felt the most "at home" in Ghana and Togo (perhaps because of the connection to the S.C. Gullah people I grew up with). Also, does anyone remember Lisa Leghorn, the first white female taxi driver in Lome? I even recorded a song about Lome and her. She put me down for a wealthy Dutch diamond dealer, but what the hell! Thanks for tolerating the rambling but I am a curious kind of cat. Oh, by the way, I heard some unforgettable music wherever I went - often amplified on equipment so crude that it would be probably be tossed out in our spoiled country. Made me realize that it's gotta come from the heart, and nothing else matters. Frogmore |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 17 Jun 01 - 07:43 PM Mrzzy, here's the "Web-Ring for Returned Peace Corps Volunteers" web address: www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/5758/ There are also websites for particular returned volunteers who served in particular countries. I haven't really done much with these websites. I generally send e-mail to those returned volunteers that I still care about. It's too bad there isn't a website for returned and current volunteers like the Mudcat Forum, but then maybe the current volunteers wouldn't get any real work done. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Haruo Date: 17 Jun 01 - 03:59 AM I speak a fair amount of Swahili (and wrote a story about the Seminole Indian wars in it once upon a time) but I learned it all here in Seattle. Ditto my more limited Somali and Tigrinya, and my long since forgotten Hausa. Sorry, Mrrzy! Most of my recent/current contacts with Africans are in Esperanto (Togo, Cote d'Ivoire, Cameroon, the Congos mostly). Liland Utakwendako nitakwenda, |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:35 PM Irish singer Mary O'Hara and her husband are living in Tanzania. He teaches journalism and she has access to computers, but maybe no-one has told her about Mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 16 Jun 01 - 05:17 PM Cool beans, Sledge, and Guest_Philippa, not a thing, but I'll ask around! What is this old PCV site, Charley? |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Jun 01 - 10:37 AM Sledge, happy hunting! It's great to re-discover such artwork. Hopefully there will be a copy of the DT inscribed on some more permanent media than my hard drive so that future generations may appreciate our efforts to preserve our artistic efforts. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: sledge Date: 16 Jun 01 - 02:54 AM The best I can do is that I am currently working in North Africa, Algeria to be precise. Sited in the middle of the Sahara at the foot of a quite beautiful escarpment with huge dunes to the south. Not much contact with the Algerien music scene but most of what I have heard has been the generic pop-music that seems to be taking over the world. One of the best moments concerning art was the day when one of our crews found some previously unrecorded rock art, depicting gazelle and giraffe. We have been told by the "experts " that it is probably around 8 thousand years old. Still on the look ut for more. Cheers Sledge |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Les B Date: 16 Jun 01 - 01:12 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Les B Date: 14 Jun 01 - 03:59 PM GUEST Albamist - I worked in Zambia in the mid-70's. Were you on one of the mines ? I was at Chingola. We had a great folk musician on staff, Emanuel Mulemena, who, I sadly discovered earlier this spring, died of AIDS in 1982. He put out at least one album and was from the Kaonde tribe. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 14 Jun 01 - 02:21 PM Just after I first saw this thread I was browsing in a record shop and saw some cheap "Terra" CDs of music from around the world, so I got the Cote d'Ivoire CD. Now Mrrzy, can you tell me anything about performers Kally Pondi and Gauthi Helle? The bit I've listened to so far was enjoyable. I like afropop more than American/western europe pop music. from the same series I also got the Moroccan CD performed by Slaoui. Nice but I wish I had informative notes. I've spent a few months each in Ghana and Morocco. But my only claim to being African would be ancient ancestry. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:12 PM Yep.;-) |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Albamist Date: 13 Jun 01 - 08:02 PM I lived and worked in Zambia in the late 70's visited Malawi, Botswana and South Africa, does that count? Has it not dawned on anyone yet why there are no postings from Africa? The Africans still have a social life and actually go out at night and dance to their music rather then spend hours in front of a monitor talking about it, or maybe it is just that 80-90% of internet computer users are based on the North American continent. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: GUEST,Challis Date: 13 Jun 01 - 07:28 PM www.natari.com is a great source of music from virtually every country on th continent Cheers, Hille |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Jun 01 - 01:55 PM Well, I did plan to spend my summer vacation as a Peace Corps volunteer in Ethiopia (1965-68) taping drinking songs in various "tej-bets" (honey wine pubs) but somehow I got sidetracked into training prospecting students in reconnaissance field geology techniques. Too bad, I had this vision of becoming the Alan Lomax of Ethiopia, assuming I ever recovered from the hangover. I did manage to tape some work songs, very reminescent of sea shanties complete with falseto yelps and hitches. Some of the one-string fiddle (mashinko) tunes reminded me of Appalachian tunes such as Soldier's Joy; then there was the harp-banjo (krar) which I was delighted to chase after with my five-string banjo. Mnay of the other tunes had much more of a middle eastern sound and were completely puzzling to a "folkie.", and very different to what one hears from West Africa or South Africa. When one is immershed in such an alien culture, there's a tendency to forget to record the everyday happenings, and to focus on unique happenings. Pity, I could do a much better job now, while many of the traditional songs will have evaporated. It's a pity that the Retired Peace Corps website is not as well organized as this one. I'd love to find out who actually wrote the Peace Corps Training Blues I posted here a while back – creep, creep... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Dunkle Date: 13 Jun 01 - 10:51 AM The 'old African Peace Corps Days'...do I count? I was a language trainer at the camp on St. Thomas in the early '70s...very satisfying work for a number of reasons: our 'stagiaires' would come to camp with no French at all, and (most of them) would leave after 8-12 weeks with enough language to do their jobs once they got in- country. And of course then there was Meghan's Bay right down the road... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 12 Jun 01 - 08:45 PM Come on guys, let's get back to Africa. (Now if anyone agrees, you may say That Friend Speaks My Mind... So, anyone from the old Africa Peace Corps days? Anyone been to Senegal, Mali, Upper Volta/Burkina Faso, depending on when, Togo, even Ghana or Liberia? Tunisia, Morocco, the place where the money is called Silly and is the prettiest in the world, wherever that is, Mauritania maybe? Dahomey/Benin? Congo/Zaire/Congo? Central African (remember when it was the Empire? That guy fled to Abidjan after that, um, schoolchildren incident, we used to see him out by the President's Residence trying to catch a cab...) Republic? How about Crossroads Africa? Now thereby hangs a tale... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: CarolC Date: 12 Jun 01 - 07:08 PM I should probably have said this before. I don't have any knowlege, personal or otherwise, about any Meetings for Worship other than the one to which I belonged. I don't know if my experience was unusual, an aberration, or if it is something that is commonly experienced. I can only speak for my own experience with one particular group. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mark Cohen Date: 12 Jun 01 - 06:18 PM There was an African 'Catter, at least for a while, an internet friend of mine from Kenya who lives in California...damned if I can remember her Mudcat name, though, and we've been out of touch for a few months. Not a musician but an avid listener. And I don't think she posted much, mostly lurked and hung out on the old HearMe. I'd been meaning to contact her anyway, so, Mrrzy, I'll let her know of your interest. When I was a student at Princeton I went to some meetings at Princeton Friends Meeting. Wonderful experience, as was the one meeting I went to on Arch St. in Philadelphia (my home town). So I don't know about emotional scars...but I was only an occasional visitor. And, for the record, I think thread creep can be one of the most interesting and enjoyable things about this "place". Except when people piss and moan about it. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: LR Mole Date: 12 Jun 01 - 11:36 AM With a thin marker, one can make the Quaker Oat man on the round box be Jerry Garcia. Creep that.Lots of anger, just under the surface, in here. As far as African 'Catters go, I think there are gulfs of language, tonalities, rhythm, and social uses of music not bridged. I find this of reggae, too. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 12 Jun 01 - 12:11 AM Hey Charley! Post again! Where did you do your stage? At least we can talk about Africa, the point of the thread... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 11 Jun 01 - 07:19 PM You may be right, Carol. However, the discussion of "militant" seems very self-centered and egotistical to me and maybe I should have been more specific. But this is my last post to this thread. Charley Nobel Retired Ethiopia Peace Corp Volunteer 1965-68 |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 01 - 06:48 PM I don't understand your point Charlie Noble. This is a nice thread, but native Africans weren't posting to it before it started drifting. And I think you're underestimating native Africans. The rest of us deal pretty well with thread drift. I don't see why they wouldn't be as capable as the rest of us. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Charley Noble Date: 11 Jun 01 - 06:05 PM You know, it doesn't seem like any native Africans are posting to this thread. Maybe they're sick of self-centered thread drift. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: CarolC Date: 10 Jun 01 - 07:35 PM Thanks Larry. I hope so too. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: InOBU Date: 10 Jun 01 - 07:29 PM Not to go fully overboard on thread creap, but, what makes you believe I am a militant? Personaly, well, my relationship to the Quaker peace testimony is complex, but I suppose my position that the IRA is not a terrorist organizaiotn is the origion of that belief. My stand on the IRA is a matter of law, not conviction, and I, especially at this time in my life, am fairly sure I myself would not have taken up arms in Ireland, though I would not make a blanket condemnation of ONE side that did, anymore than I would condem those who fought in Spain. I reject all fundemental statements, life is a continuing set of cercumstances and decisions which are individuals responcibilities to make. As to Quaker emotional violence DON'T YOU KNOW IT!!! There are some gentle Friends - but my family were alienated from the meeting as they were artists, only I remained, because I was able to keep with a small peer group of like minded, gentle Friends. Carol, I hope you get beyond the scars I know so well... Cheers to all my sister and brother African (Irish English Asian Pasific Islander....)American mudcatters... Evangelicals as well :-) Larry "Bloodaxe the Horrible" Otway Only kidding about the nickname, but being called a militant brought out my Norman genes! |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 01 - 05:07 PM Actually, there is one African recording I'd love to have again, even my parents' copy is gone. We had it on vinyl, and it was called La Création. It was the story of Genesis in African French. Avant avant, c'est le Dieu seul que y'en a. Et pi Dieu il dit, faut que clair y en a. Et pi, woila clair. Faut que soleil, avec lune, avec zetoile, leur y en a. Et pi, woila leur.... it was produced by Africans as a parody of what the French thought of them, which makes it I think not PI, and it was howlingly funny. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 01 - 04:03 PM I heard that one as ...but I'll sell thee to a Baptist, and he'll kick the hell out of thee! *sigh* ... my grandfather said thee, to Quakers and family, but never thou... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Bill D Date: 10 Jun 01 - 03:38 PM ahh...well, Carol...you live & learn. I had never met that particular type. I suppose every group has some who deviate from the supposed 'norm'.... (but I DID just remember Doc Watson's story about the Quaker and the cow that kept kicking him and the milk pail..."Bossie, I would not harm thee, but thou standest RIGHT in a place where I am about to shoot" |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: CarolC Date: 10 Jun 01 - 03:28 PM I don't know, Bill. I was a member of a Quaker Meeting for Worship for several years. The members of my group were, as a group, some of the most emotionally violent people I've ever known, even though they professed to be physically non violent. My experience with that particular group of people has left me with a lot of very big emotional scars. So I guess even Quakers can't be generalized about. |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Bill D Date: 10 Jun 01 - 02:54 PM (somehow, the idea of a militant Quaker writing political songs leaves me a bit bemused) |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Bill D Date: 10 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM Larry...if EVER I saw a post which went out of the way to stir things up and create controversy...*sigh*..."just an explanation"..pooh! |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 01 - 02:02 PM The Quaker meetings here in Cville are awfully godfearing compared to the ones in Philly, where they have the inner light in a big way. But I'm not a Quaker myself. Certainly looks as if I'm the only African American (no hyphen) here, and that there are no Africans. There may be Americans of partial African ancestry here, but c'est pas la même chose and current skin color is really irrelevent to this thread. And yes, if you go back to mitochondrial eve or Lucy or what have you, yes we all came out of Africa, good point! Sure and I'd have to amend my above to "recent African ancestry..." |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: InOBU Date: 10 Jun 01 - 07:33 AM Well, actually, as sons and daughters of Lucy, we are all African, Kenyans to be exact (as per my song about Amadou Diallo "Amadou was born where humanity sprang from..."). The second question... how many of us are also Quakers! Are you still a member, and are Evangelists worming their culture destroying way into your meeting also? (Don't ask!) Larry PS No offence to Evangelical Christians or evan Evangelical friends, but, Jeeze Louize, guys, con't you leave one or two meetings to remain open to God's light rather than your own? - not thread creep really, just and explanation ;-) |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 09 Jun 01 - 11:45 PM Shall we drift into African art? |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Mrrzy Date: 09 Jun 01 - 08:38 PM My parents moved to Abidjan when I was 5, and left when I was 20. Dad (American, half Philadelphia Quaker half Russian) was a consultant there. I went to college in New England at age 18, and moved to central VA in 1985 for graduate school, and never left. While in Abidjan, since Dad worked for the local government rather than the US for a while, my parents' friends were either African, French, Hungarian or Yugoslav (Mom's native region), or if American were Peace Corps rather than USEmbassy. I went to local (French) school, not the American school once there was one, from 1st grade through the Baccalauréat, so I really am not American by culture, despite having settled here. I feel like a satisfied expat, but I have the advantages of US citizenship. Or the disadvantages if you want to take it that way, some of you know that my Dad, after becoming a regular USEmbassy type, got transferred into harm's way in the Middle East. But there were also the years I got to go "home" to Bangkok, Thailand, during college... So I was really fishing for actual Africans. To my shame, all I really listened to there was my folks' vinyl, lotsa folk, we didn't have a radio other than short-wave for political things like the Nixon resignation, so y'all know more about the music than I do! What I like about Daouda Kone is that he's Abidjanais, so he mentions landmarks I know, it's like reading a novel set in your home town. What I hear I like, but I don't hear a lot. My fault, I guess, but I listen to my folks' music mostly, still... |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Allan C. Date: 09 Jun 01 - 07:05 PM Mrrzy is living in Charlottesville, Virginia, guys and has been in the general area for a number of years. Her bright and beautiful twin boys were born there (C'ville) also. Hey, Mrrzy! Did you ever get around to telling folks who you look like? (No, not that one, I'm talking about the Trek character) BTW, while I'm not terribly enthusiastic about some of the more recent music I have heard from Africa, I always loved to hear some of the lovely harmonies of many of the songs I heard in travelogues and Tarzan movies. The only recording I ever had of "African" music, though, was "Missa Luba". |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 09 Jun 01 - 03:48 PM What do you think of Bessa Simons : Akwaaba / Wo Ye Soronko? I just listened to the MP3 from here website here |
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Subject: RE: African mudcatters? Am I alone? From: Bill D Date: 08 Jun 01 - 08:22 PM MT...I guess, looking at the times, that I just hafta learn to type faster... |
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