Subject: Hal An Tow: notes? From: nonie Date: 17 Dec 97 - 12:59 PM DT has the text to "Hal An Tow," but no commentary. I'd love to see notes added re interpretations and history, since it's such a lovely confusion. Does anyone have a nice definitive source, or do we just need to pool knowledge re "feathered goose=English arrows fletched with goose feathers" and the identity of Aunt Mary Moses, etc.? |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Jon W. Date: 17 Dec 97 - 01:28 PM I love the song, don't know much about it, your interpretation of feather goose was an eye opener to me but it makes sense, I had always wondered about that verse. The recording I have of it, by a local band called Tenpenny, has the following verse which is not in the DT version:
John the Bum(?) went marching on The chorus makes me think this might be a seafaring song - Hal (as in halyard) and tow being synonyms for hauling or pulling on a rope (something sailors used to do a lot of) and if you spell the second line "Jolly rum below"...well you get the idea. Thoughts? |
Subject: Lyr Add: HAL AN TOW From: Barry Date: 17 Dec 97 - 08:22 PM The verse with John the Bone seems to have come from the Furry Day Dance, May 8, celebrated in Helston, Cornwall. The following is from Peter Kennedy's recording of the townspeople of Helston, as they performed a dance through the town, at times passing through houses, snake like in the front & out the back doors. (St Michael is the patron saint of Helston).
Robin Hood & Little John
Hal an tow jolly rumble-o
As for St George-o
But to a greater than St George
God bless Aunt Mary Moses |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Alan of Australia Date: 18 Dec 97 - 01:36 AM G'day, There was also a verse about "The girt dog of Langport he burnt his long tail"(?) which was a reference to the Danes. Does anyone know it? Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 19 Dec 97 - 08:50 AM Thanks for asking. It made me for the first time read the notes to this song in P. Kennedy (Ed.), Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. Here's most of them: "Like the Furry Dance, the Hal-an-Tow is also performed at Helston on 8th May by a procession, now of school children, into the contry to gather flowers and branches...It was originally a dance song, but the steps are lost and the custom lapsed from about a century ago till 1930 when it was revived. The oldest surviving version was published by Sandys: 1846...The meaning of the title is disputed. According to one theory it is 'heave on the rope', an adaption by Cornish sailors from the Dutch 'Haal an het touw' ('tow' is pronounced to rhyme with 'cow' in Helston today). Other think it might refer to the heel and toe dance of The Monk's March, which is still danced in the English Cotswold morris tradition. Mordon evidently inclined to this view, for he writes that it
has every sign of being a processional morris dance even to the slow part at the beginning of the chorus... But it seems a pity with such a Cornish-sounding title to despair of finding a link with the old language. In 1660 Nicholas Boson of Newlyn said that there the may-pole was set up by men singing 'Haile an Taw and Jolly Rumbelow'. It looks from this as though 'tow' in the seventeenth century rhymed with 'awe'...In Cornish 'Hal an to' (taw) would appear to mean 'Hoist the roof'." Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 19 Dec 97 - 09:26 AM I have been in Gene and Cowe, Also in the land of Rumbelow, Three mile out of hell from 'Hykescorner', a play printed by Wynkyn de Worde in the early 16th century. I would be gratefull for any other information about the land of Rumbelow. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 19 Dec 97 - 10:25 AM I should perhaps add that Rumbelow was apparently an island. A tag from an early song, probably the burden, has "Row, row, row to Rumbelow", and in one case the name of the boatman was Norman. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bert Date: 19 Dec 97 - 10:59 AM I like the "Heel & Toe" explanation. It's many years since I've danced the Furry Dance but I do remember the Heel and Toe part, which kind of reminded me of The Palais Glide. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Nigel Sellars Date: 20 Dec 97 - 05:16 PM The Oyster Band has a verse -- which I've seen in versions elsewhere -- refering to the wearing of the horns "Your father's father wore them, and your father wore them, too." Since the "horned god" Cerumnos is part of Celtic lore and the Cornish being Celtic, does suggest the entire ritual has fertility connotations? Or did the Oysters merely add a floater verse? |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 20 Dec 97 - 06:08 PM Horns, thats simply the traditional symbolism for a cuckold. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Jon W. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 12:52 PM If cuckoldry doesn't have fertility connotations what does? Where did the traditional symbolism come from? And, if you know the answer to that, where can I go to find the Holy Grail? PS the horned verse is in both versions I've heard or read. I always thought it was a hunting horn. Dumb me. But it was singular in both. Maybe the song was cleaned up? |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 02:01 PM I don't know for sure, but Horned Vulcan was cuckolded by his wife Venus (with Mars), in a 17th century broadside ballad. "Holy Grail' is a late addition to the Arthurian tales. It first appears as 'graal' in one of Chretein de Troyes Arthurian romances. It wasn't holy yet, and appears to have been a plate. On the 'Grail' see Graham Phillips & Martin Keatman's 'King Arthur, The True Story', 1992. |
Subject: Lyr Add: MARS AND VENUS... and CUPID'S REVENGE From: Bruce O. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 04:10 PM Mars and Venus' love-makeing was usually figuratively as a battle in songs and ballads. 'Dub'd knight of the forked order' was another expression for 'cornuted' or 'horned'. An unreprinted broadside ballad of about 1650 in the Manchester collection is:
MARS AND VENUS IN OPPOSITION
This concludes:
And seeing that Vulcan was
[Anyone that can understand this last line is doing better than I can.] Venus' son Cupid, however, took a rather dim view of the 'battle' between Mars and Venus. A song in 'Merry Drollery', 1661, was expanded into a broadside ballad "Honesty is honesty, come off my mother, sirrah," with the tune direction, "Thomas you cannot." This has not been reprinted, and I do not have a copy. J. S. Farmer, 'Merry Songs and Ballads', I, p. 35, printed the song from a manuscript copy in the Bodleian Library, as follows:
Upon a certain day, when Mars and Venus met together,
"Peace, boy!" quoth he, "and give consent, for Venus is a woman,
"I pray thee, Cupid, hold thy peace; I will not hurt thy mother;
"Peace boy!" quoth Venus, this is Mars the furious god of batle
She tooke the child, and kist his cheek, saying "Mars his rage is over;
This song was reworked about 1730 century, giving it a somewhat different meter, requiring a new tune, and was published as a single sheet song with music:
CUPID'S REVENGE.
'Twas on a certain day, when Mars and Venus met,
Dear Cupid hold your tongue, my pretty little Boy,
Dear Cupid hold your peace, your Mother is a Woman, Come off my Mother, Sirrah, Sirrah &c.
Dear Cupid this is Mars, the furious God of Battle,
She clap't his pouting Cheeks, crying Mars fury over,
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Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: dick greenhaus Date: 22 Dec 97 - 09:11 PM Bless you, Bruce |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Susan of DT Date: 22 Dec 97 - 09:23 PM Doesn't one or more of the dancers wear the stag horn headdress of Curnunos in the ritual dance? Possibly connoting priesthood in an old sect? Might that be 'wore the horns' Isn't guessing wonderful |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 09:29 PM Thank you, Dick. But back to Hal an tow and Furry Dance. These songs look like English Mummers' Plays in miniature. There are a numbers of works on these, but the biggest selection of actual plays I've seen is R. J. E. Tiddy's, published postumously as 'The Mummer's Play', 1923, reprinted 1972. Some of these have short carols at the end, and in some plays the characters danced as the carols were sung. Not noted as danced is the end song in the Plough Jack Play from North Lincolnshire
Good master and good mistress
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Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 22 Dec 97 - 10:16 PM Susan you are correct. Alan, Brody, 'The English Mummers and Their Plays', p. 26, 1969, calls the horns a symbol of fertility in the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance. A picture is also given of 7 dancers wearing their (deer) antlers. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 23 Dec 97 - 01:43 AM After thinking about this for a while, it seems that |I remember that the bull was the symbol of fertility in antiquity. Bull horns I could acccept as symbols of fertility, but deer antlers? Bulls--t. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Pete M Date: 23 Dec 97 - 05:09 AM In Celtic mythology the horned God was a fertility symbol and whilst in Northern Britain He was normally depicted as a naked man with bull horns but in the South deers antlers were more common, Hal an Tow is almost certainly a relic of a fertility rite, hence the presence of the horned God. The fact that Hal an Tow takes place on St Michaels day also co-incides with the timing of Beltane and the traditional may revels, May of course refering to Hawthorn noy the month of the same name. also a potent fertility symbol and guard against witchcraft. If anyone doubts the fertility part of these cerimonies, there is a reference some where that I can't lay my hands on at the moment to a complaint by a 16th century member of the "moral majority" that of the score of young females in his village who had gone to the fields "...scarce one had returned a maid!" |
Subject: Tune Add: CUPID'S REVENGE From: Bruce O. Date: 23 Dec 97 - 01:51 PM Here's the tune for a song above.
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Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 23 Dec 97 - 10:15 PM The Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society, 9, pp. 1-41, 1960, contains an article by E. C. Cawte, Alex Helm, R. J. Marriot and N. Peacock, "A Geographical Index of the Ceremonial Dance in Great Britain". Ceremonial dances are there classified. There are few such dances from Wales or Cornwall (see fold out map between pages 39 and 40, and the index). The Abbots Bromley Horn Dance (Staffordshire) is the only known ceremonial, 1620-1956, where the participants used horns. There is a possibilty horns were used in a long defunct dance at Seighford in the same county. This is in Anglo-Saxon England, not Celtic England. So this can hardly be tied in any way to the Celtic god Cerunnos (His name is found only on an altar in Paris) Nora Chadwick, in her book 'The Celts' points out the bull is a symbol of strength and virility, but says nothing about fertility).
The verse quoted above for "Hal an Tow" about wearing horns (also in the version in DT) is obviously about cuckolding, not about a horned god. I fail to see anything in song, dance, or folk play relating to any horned god. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 24 Dec 97 - 01:16 PM Back to the original question.
A description of the days activity, connected to the "Furry-Day Song" (Hal an tow) at Helston on May 8, was given in 'The Gentleman's Magazine', June, 1790. This was partially reprinted in R. Bell's 'Ancient Poems, Ballads, and Songs of the Peasantry', 1857. (The internet link to a copy of this has disappeared.) Whether this was in Dixon's edition of 1846 I do not know.
James Reeves, 'The Everlasting Circe', 1960, gives the complete text of "The Gentleman's Magazine' note (from a secondary source). He further adds that Cecil Sharp publish an account obtained from a man who danced a part in the late 19th century in 'The Morris Book'. part V, 1913.
Reeves, in a note on Aunt Mary Moses points out that 'aunt' in Cornwall could be simply a term of affection, but also notes that it might be 17th century slang for a prostitute, and adds that this might also be the case for Aunt Ursula Birdwood in "The Padstow May Song" (of which he gives two texts). |
Subject: Lyr Add: PADSTOW MAY SONG From: Bruce O. Date: 18 Jan 98 - 06:10 PM In a text of the Padstow May song given by Lucy Broadwood in JFSS, #20, 1916, we find the horns thus: Thou might'st have shown thy knavish face, |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 26 Feb 98 - 08:01 PM Bringing this back for comparison to new thread. Link to Bell's 'Early Ballads' has reapeared in slightly different form. For link to it click on this Forum's 'Links' to 'Sixteenth Century Ballads'. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: BAZ Date: 27 Feb 98 - 08:25 PM The Hal an Tow as performed at Helston isn't a dance but is a type of Mummer's play. The players are people of all ages who run through the streets blowing whistles and Shouting OGGIE OGGIE OGGIE OY OY OY!. The play begins with an address of welcome in Cornish and then the song begins. after each verse a short play is enacted the first with St. George killing the dragon and the second with St.Michael Killing the devil. I haven't checked out the tune given by Bruce yet but the tune used at Helston isn't the one used by the Oyster Band etc. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 01 Mar 98 - 06:37 PM Tune I gave is for a song I gave earlier, and has nothing to do with folk song, procession, dance or mummers' play. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: BAZ Date: 01 Mar 98 - 06:44 PM Sorry Bruce I leaped before I looked BAZ |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Bruce O. Date: 02 Mar 98 - 12:41 PM I've done that more times than I care to admit to. And I've scrolled up to find something, and forgotten what part of it was by the time I scrolled back to my message. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Date: 14 Apr 99 - 03:19 PM Refresh Kernow bys vyken! |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: SeanM Date: 14 Apr 99 - 06:13 PM Someone a while back mentioned tht they believed that this might be a sea shanty of some variety... I personally don't see it, though It doesn't have a good set structure to work to, and in addition, there are many mentions of the song being widespread through many non-seafaring communities in England well before the spread of the penny broadsides. My two bits, at least... M |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Date: 15 Apr 99 - 12:00 PM For another site with WWI song lyrics - *CLICK HERE* |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: AndyG Date: 15 Apr 99 - 12:52 PM Flattering [1], but what does WWI have to do with this topic ?
Inquiring minds need to know.
AndyG
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Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Penny Date: 15 Apr 99 - 05:18 PM Not entirely on message, but I was fascinated last year by an automaton in Helston Museum. A cabinet with a small window, through which could be seen a chain of dancers turning round and processing around each other while the Furry Dance played. All made by a local enthusiast with found parts, so the people were not consistent in size or style. But it was such fun! |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Fred/Forsh Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:09 AM My (Late) Dad, Alan Forshaw, some In Oz may remember, sang in a groupe called Rumbellow, he always insisted that this came about because they were asked to sing the song as often. "don't scorn the crest it must be worn it was the mark when you were born, your farthers farther wore it and your farther wore it too, Hal an tow ..etc. people like lionel o'keef or tom suttor (Darwin) may point you towards a recording of this song, by the group. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Skivee Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:32 PM The horn to me seemed to be a reference to continueing the tradition of Morris dance. The song title is clearly, as we noted on our Ironweed album, two metheods for moving freight |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Garry Gillard Date: 21 Oct 00 - 10:27 AM A. L. Lloyd's notes about this song are at the bottom of this page. Garry |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Snuffy Date: 26 Oct 00 - 08:34 PM I like Nigel Sellars' idea (20-Dec-97) about the horns verse being a 'floater' from elsewhere, as its connection to the other verses seems tenuous, but it appears to have got attached to the song well before the Oyster Band recorded it. It would make sense for this to be part of a straightforward hunting song, and nothing to do with cuckoldry. Shakespeare's version would lend credence to this theory, the last two lines possibly being a refutation of the cuckold significance. Where did he get this song? Stratford is only about 40 miles from Abbots Bromley - is there a connection?
AS YOU LIKE IT (William Shakespeare)
ACT IV, SCENE II - Another Part of the Forest.Enter JAQUES and Lords, like foresters.
Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: kendall Date: 08 Sep 01 - 09:16 AM Our friend Bernie is a lurker, and, no doubt he will see this thread. If he has something to add, he will say so. It looks like it is pretty well covered though. |
Subject: Lyr Add: HAL-AND-TOW (from The Revels) From: GUEST,Laurent Date: 31 May 03 - 10:02 AM The title seems to be Hal-and-tow Here are the lyrics from the Revel's CD "Seasons for singing : a celebration of country life" (Revels records CD1095). Hal-and-tow It was the crest when you was born; Your father's father wore it, And your father wore it too. Hal-an-tow, jolly rumble O! We were up long before the day-O To welcome in the summer, To welcome in the May-O; For summer is a comin'in, And winter's gone away-O! What 'appened to the Spaniards That made so great a boast-O? They shall eat the feathered goose, And we shall eat the roast-O... Robin Hood and Little John, They've both gone to the fair-O. And we will to the merry green wood To hunt the buck and hare-O... God bless Aunt Mary Moses In all her power and might-O, And send us peace to England, Send peace both day and night-O... There must be a version by the Oyster Band too. A bientôt Laurent |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: GUEST,Allan in the Isle of Man Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:20 PM Might the reference to the horns not also have a connection with Herne the Hunter? Also am I correct in thinking that the song may have some connections with the Spanish Armada (eg the "What happened to the Spaniards?" and the reference to the Queen (Queen Elizabeth the First?). This might explain some of the sea faring references, though it wouldn't suprise me if the song dated before this period and has simply evolved. |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Nerd Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:02 PM The problem with Susan of DT's point is that no-one wears antlers in THIS dance. For Bruce to say she is right because in Abbots Bromley they wear antlers is a bit of a stretch. Abbots Bromley is another dance done in another place at another time. If they sang about "wearing the horn" at AB, or if they wore horns at Helston, we'd have something. Another brief note on this song. In the booklet to the new Watersons box set, one of the W's (Norma I think, but it's at home and I'm not there now...) says that Mike Waterson added the first verse that they sing. She then, in the interview, says "Since Man Has Been Created...," suggesting that the verse in question began that way. But if you listen to the version they actually recorded, the first verse is "Take the scorn and wear the horn...." Is it possible that Mike added this bit of Shakespearean folksong to Hal An Tow in the early 60s? Abby Sale in another thread mentioned a book with this verse connected to the chorus (but no other verses) in 1892. Can anyone confirm? Also, is there such a verse as "since man has been created...?" |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Flash Company Date: 31 Mar 04 - 05:40 AM Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch in The Amazing History of Troy Town has a character called Caleb singing:- Oh, where be the French dogs? Oh, where be they O? They be down i' their long boats All on the salt say,O! Up flies the kite, An' down flies the lark, O! Wi' hale an' tow, rumbelow-' Not quite sure that it scans to the tune, but obviously from a similar source. Troy Town is a very recognisable Fowey, still the most beautiful sight you will ever see! FC |
Subject: RE: Hal An Tow: notes? From: Snuffy Date: 31 Mar 04 - 08:17 AM More like the Padstow song, FC |
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