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Annoying Bodhran, what to do?

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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:32 PM

I like the bodhran (well played). I wasn't shitting on it, just giving a tongue-in-cheek suggestion on how to deal with an annoying person who happens to play the bodhran.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:35 PM

Me too.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:59 PM

RATS !!! I was hoping, even though my comments were, more or less, serious, to get something going. Gervase asked about... 101 uses for a Bodhran?

Hors d'ourves (sp ?) tray. Litter box - I think that was mentioned already. Someone said flying saucer pics - would the be an UFO ? Ugly F***ing Object ? I know... an exercise wheel for large, or a bunch of, mice. Anyone else ?

Really, don't take me too seriously... just caught me off guard, in a bad mood, after a BAAAAAD week.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:08 PM

Gnu,

You're quite right, it WAS impolite of me to ask him to stop playing the bodhran in front of others.

The situation at the time was that his bodhran was SO distracting I had actually lost my thread in the song.

I had a choice of:

(A) Stop singing after making a mess of the song.

(B) Politely asking him to stop, apologising for having to ask (in front of the audience, ie: Sorry **, would you mind not playing, it's made me lose track of were I am in my song') then carrying on singing.

I chose (B) because it seemed the right thing to do at that time, and it still seems right now, a week later.

The suggestion that the organiser of the club sorts the problem is a non-starter, when a problem occured at the club a while back his response was to stone wall the situation.

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Micca
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:12 PM

101 uses for a Hran,
here are 10....
panning for gold
Longbow target
Riot shield
fancy hub caps ( you could use up 4)...
Temporary umbrella
heat screen while getting things off the Barbecue..
container for gathering berries in
Vomitorium
wash basin
Hoop for the kids to trundle


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:24 PM

--ladies' fashion hat
--clock face (just add hands and cheap battery-powered mechanism)
--basketball hoop (like bar mitzvah, requires skin removal)
--temporary shelter for mice, voles, etc.
--loving cup for musicians' weddings
--genital hiding device for persons caught without clothing
--palette for oil/acrylic/etc. paint
--trampoline for very small persons/animals
--mixing bowl
--chip-n-dip (just add small bowl for dip)
--wastebasket (great for peanut shells)
--banjo body
--racket in "bodhranball" --new game-- use 2, and 1" superball

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 04:28 PM

The Ten Commandments of Playing Bluegrass Music

I.) Ye who makes the pie plate sing, the hubcap moan, ye of many metal finger-picks and a bar of steel, keep thine eye squarely on the fret markers and thine ear at strict attention. Thou art blessed with the opportunity to create great joy, but poor pitch on a Dobro is unclean, as is missing the turnaround. Both are offenses so grievous as to be damnable for seven generations.

II.) Practitioner of the tiny eight-string, know that if thy solos are good, all the better, but that is not why thou art in the band. Focus on timing, for sloppy chopping is unclean and an abomination before the maker, and his wrath shall be loosed, yea unto the seventh generation.

III.) Rattle not your tableware, nor strike it first against thy leg, then thy rib cage, all the while assuming the countenance of the stooge, for it is unclean and an abomination before me. Such apish behavior is damnable for seven generations.

IV.) Nor shall ye rake thine thimble-tipped fingers across the tool of the washerwoman for this is an abomination before me, and is damnable, yea unto the seventh generation of thy seed.

V.) Neither shall ye slaughter the goat and stretch its hide across wooden barrels, then beat upon it with wooden timbers on the two and the four. This is the task of the mandolin, and to usurp it is unclean, and damnable unto the seventh generation.

VI.) When thou drag equine hair across filaments of intestine, thou art slave to pitch, as is thy bastard cousin, the stringed doghouse. Thine scale is small, and the possibility for peril immense. The difficulty is understood by the maker, still, poor pitch on a fiddle is damnable for seven generations, yea verily.

VII.) Banjo player-thou art damned. The five-string tambourine makes a hellish racket that few have been able to tame. May the power of the maker be with thee in thy quest, but five gets you ten that thou art damned.

VIII.) Oh ye of the aforementioned big stringed doghouse. The rest of the guys and gals are probably just glad you showed up. Try to keep the slapping to a minimum, for it is damnable.

IX.) Ye who stand in the center and emit pitched words, know that thou art not a God. Thou art a chooch with a guitar whose vocal folds are of such consistency as to be pleasant to the listener, or perhaps some other alpha characteristics has made thee a de facto leader of misfits. To imagine thyself to be anything more is unclean and an abomination before me, and is damnable, yea unto the seventh generation of thy seed.

X.) All who perpetuate the bluegrass idiom, whether ye drag the bow, grasp the plectrum, thump the doghouse or tickle the five-string tambourine, assume not the countenance of the constipated man, nor display false overbite. Playing bluegrass music is pleasurable, and to feign painful artistic reverie is unclean, and damnable for seven generations, yea verily, so say I.

(From a trumpet player/writer/poet in Dover, NH, named Chris Elliot)


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Ditchdweller
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 04:32 PM

There was a man played a bodhran, played a bodhran, played a bodhran, There was a man played a bodhran, and he was an ache in the bum! So we played it with a razor, a razor, a razor, So we played it with a razor, And stopped the ache in the bum!!

Had a similar problem with a local accordian playing landlord. I asked him not to play along with me with a shanty (Donkey Riding) but he ignored me and started throwing me off rythmn!! I asked him to stop mid verse and got bloody well banned from his pub!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 05:45 PM

Thanks folks! These postings have cheered me up no end, I really was starting to think it was my fault.

John (back at work for a short time)


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 05:49 PM

Isn't it funny, (I do it myself) when people are confronted by what seems to be unequivocally a total asshole, they start thinking it's their fault? Second-guessing themselves? Why do we do that, I wonder? Why not just admit that this person was being an asshole?

I'm not attacking you, John, I'm just wondering out loud why you and me and probably everybody else on the 'Cat have these self-doubt moments in the presence of genuine jerks.

There's a PhD thesis in psychology wrapped up here!

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:04 PM

Thanks for your understanding Alex.

I like to think I consider the feelings of my fellow men and women. I think most of the 'catters I've met, spoken to via the mudcat etc, are of a similar character. Perhaps that's why we stick together on the mudcat (security in numbers?), but more importantly perhaps that's why most of us so clearly understand what we're all on about when we post. I couldn't believe how many responses I got from my initial post. I posted at 1.55pm (uk), with 15 minutes there were 8 replies. Now, 9 hours later, there are around 60, all from people on a similar wavelength. Wonderful, isn't it? Trouble is, that guy's still got a bodhran.

Cheers,

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Micca
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:20 PM

John, You are UK??? for a small fee( a coupla fills of the Grail) I will come and step on it........while he is playing.....


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:22 PM

I think you did right John if, as it sounds, you asked him politely even if it was in front of others. He was impolitely trampling on your song and your singing its reasonable to ask him to stop. I've told the story before on Mudcat of the time I lost my temper with a man who continually made noisc during songs. I was upset with him and upset with myself and then discovered that most of the people at song circle were delighted that I had done something even if I did it badly. Ask another singer if the bodhran bothers them. Sometimes we don't share our frustrations with others in a similar situation and yet it can be very helpful to discover you're not weird and suffering alone. If you're not alone then walking away leaves the other singers without your support when a few words quietly delivered might be enough to make the evening more enjoyable for all.

Why bring two bodhrans if you can only play one at a time? Alto and soprano? Regular tuning and DADGAG? Is he trying to start a drum circle?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 07:02 PM

Hiya Micca, you mean that tin pot of a tankard has finally left Sid's place? (The Chapel Haddlesey one, not the Cumbrian one). Thanks for that Micca, I'll get the cider in ready for you!

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 07:32 PM

The most memorable term I've heard used to refer to the boghran is "the Irish Chapatti".

"Hran" that's a new one to me. Sounds a bit Star trekky to me, the Hran would be the kind of guys who'd get on the nerves of your average long-suffering Klingon.

Prab to God tis fella doesn't turn up with bongo drums, or you'll be wishing he'd brought the bodhran. Mind, with two bodhrans, maybe he's planning to develop some nightmareish bongo-bodhran...


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:03 PM

101 uses cont'd: upside-down as a shade for a ceiling light or a torch lamp. glue a beany or yarmulke on the inside and wear it as a sun hat. roll some billiard balls around the inside to imitate thunder as a theatrical sound effect.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:11 PM

I sing & play bodhran, sometimes I do both at the same time, it's my choice. I went to a session a while back & a drummer played on every song & tune & when I started to sing he started to play along so I placed my palm over his drum so he couldn't play, until he gave up & stopped. When the song was over he told me he's been playing this session for years & I quickly told him if I wanted a drum played behind me didn't he think I'd play myself, I then told him to get the fu%$#@&k out of my face & let him know I thought he was an unaware, selfish shit who didn't mind ruining a good time for all & said it loud enough for most of the others at the session knew what took place. I think later others also had a talk with himI've never seen him since. Good rhythums to bad rubbish. Barry


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:19 PM

If a man wants to disable a tank, he will take a bazooka and blow it all to hell. If a woman wants to disable a tank, she will sneak up on it and pour sugar into the fuel tank. Same result, different method. You seem to have solved the problem for all Barry!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:24 PM

Shit, I think its me your talking about!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:29 PM

Love it.... bongo-bodhrán...


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:53 PM

Give a man a fish and he can feed himself for a day Give him a Bodhran and he can hang around musicians. It's not really me ye nah !


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Sydney
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:56 PM

As a singer (unaccompanied) and a bodhran player, I sympathize totally with the predicamant ... and have THOROUGHLY enjoyed some of the "solutions"!!! Rather annoying when one individual seems totally lacking in both manners and sensitivity. Perhaps a LARGE sign posted in advance saying something like "The etiquette police will SHOOT/THROTTLE/SKIN/FLIP THE TIPPER of any git playing a bodhran who does not respect the other players." Gives us all rather a bad name! Hope the situation resolves itself soon, for your sake - he should be spoken to, I feel by the person/people acting in a host capacity. And I'd also get the other musicians onside ... chances are, you're not the only one who has been irritated to distraction! (it's true, you're NOT alone!) Cheers from Canada!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:10 PM

Why the hell does he bring two!
Does this guy have 4 hands?
BURN IT !


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Peg
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 12:20 AM

wow Barry, wish I'd been there for that one!!!!!

Peg

who is bringing her boudhran AND her singing voice to Old Songs


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Mummy.
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 02:51 AM

Still holding stomach after reading responses, got up especially early to scan screen - don't need breakfast now.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 03:50 AM

Hello Mum!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,chrisj
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:32 AM

Then again there's always the possibility that the heroic bodhran player drew the short straw and was given the task of 'discouraging' over-enthusiastic acapella singers?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Yvonne
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:38 AM

Love the replies. Suggest everyone joins John on Thursday night and carry out their own solutions! Lets Get him JJ.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:23 AM

To be fair, I suppose the recalcitrant bodhran player hasn't spent a lot of time in folk clubs - I think ours was his first dabbling.

Two bodhrans? Well, to be fair, one was his wife's. Maybe they are starting a band called 'Bodhran Bodhran'!!? (Duran Duran, geddit?!)

If he found the affair embarrassing, he should think himself very fortunate he didn't try it on in some other clubs I could mention! They'd have had a Ritual Bodhran Burning!! Such behaviour is seriously frowned upon!

It's not so much a 'right or wrong' situation, more what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't. A song rarely lasts more than four minutes (though it can often seem longer!), and a performer has only that time to themselves, so to speak. Sadly, there are those who need to 'hog the limelight', and I admit I've been guilty of that myself in the past - then again, haven't we all? That's how we learn... some of us! ;o)

Joining in is only valid if it adds to the performance in a positive way, which is acceptable to both the performer and the audience. It is not valid if it detracts from the performance, overshadows it, or brings it to a halt. It effectively becomes heckling, and is open to be treated as such.

However, I feel there is a real danger of this incident escalating out of all proportion, and I would entreat all those who are directly involved to let the matter drop, before it gets out of hand.

And that includes me...

JJ has my full support - the situation became intolerable, and he's not the only one to suffer. But treating childish behaviour with more of the same is a recipe for disaster...

TTFN


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Yvonne
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 09:57 AM

Bernard you are totally correct ofcourse but what is the solution if he is not only spoiling the performace of the performer but spoiling the listeners pleasure as well??

Surely the organiser of the club should point out his bad manners?

In short how is he to be discouraged???

Hello Mum from me too.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 10:15 AM

Hmmm... it's a tricky one... I'll see what I can do.

Oh, and 'Hello Mum!' from me an' all!!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,forty two
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 10:41 AM

"His reaction was to say that it was my fault I didn't sing in time."

I speak as one new to the club but also a bodhran player (of many years experience) and an unaccompanied singer. Generally I believe that it is not a good thing to mouth off at another musician - I am not saying that I haven't done it! Certainly on many occasions I have had to suggest to other precussion players that a particular session is not big enough for more than one percussive instrument at a time and suggest that turns be taken.

As for accompanying songs - I would never do it unless asked to or unless I knew the singer very well. And as for unaccompanied songs. It is usual and, I think, desireable for a singer to go off beat in a slow ballad accentuating phrases and lines. Think also of a slow air played by a solo instrument; quite often a phrase is stretched hence going off beat and beneficial to the tune.

While maybe undesireable, I believe that you were well within the limits of session etiquette to stop mid tune and have words. And maybe now this subject will be brought up at sessions all over and talked about freely in the open so ALL musicians can take on board that there is such a thing as session etiquette.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:16 PM

This is a person thing not a bodhran problem.
I have seen and suffered many a banjo and guitar intrusion as an a capella singer
I had to listen to a person at my regular club harmonise to every song with diminished sevenths all night. No amount of polite humour alters him. I for one breathed a sigh of relief when he joined a West Gallery Quire.
the bad news was that they knew more tuneful sevenths than he could shake a head at and they had more egoes than he could surmount. At the club the organisers have very definite and opinionated views about etiquette but then he is one of them. Ten years later I now live far enough away to dissaude me from visiting, but regulars include some very nice people who made the club vibrant when I was going through divorce, how can I desert them entirely? I chose to suffer his harmonies, I sing to give them enjoyment and if thats what they want, so be it. If I don't feel I can enjoy it any given I have to decline.

If you can't enrol the consensus of the body of the club, blame the club & go elsewhere. In the Uk we are blessed with such richness of sessions/clubs.
convince the bodhran that there is a SESSION down the road and see if he discovers where he should really be going.

AND what is the problem with two bodhrans? both mine are red.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:24 PM

Much better to tell someone to pack it in, in as friendly and courteous manner as feels fitting, rather than bottle it up and expect "the organiser" to muscle in as the figure of authority.

It's not hard to tell when someone welcomes accompaniment or not, and if you get it wrong only a pillock would get upset about getting hushed. It happens all the time - a raised hand is enough.

What I find awkward is when I'm singing something I've only recently learnt, or only recently made up, and someone playing a melody instrument jumps in and plays what they assume isn't right tune, only maybe it isn't. But there's no problem in just saying "don't join in on this this time round, I'm still running it in!".

And God preserve us from generalised rules like "no joining in" - they take the guts and spontaneity out of a session.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:37 PM

Thanks 42, with a name like that you were bound to have an answer!

I would love the club organiser to get involved in this valuable discussion, but I don't believe he would. Whilst I think he has an attitude of 'live and let live' (which I strongly agree with), I don't think club etiquette is something he's too aware of. The organiser, a competant guitarist and singer / songwriter, is not a traditional performer. Having said that, he's been to other clubs, played along in sessions so he should know the score.

I would also dearly love the bodhranist (eh?....you know what I mean) to be involved in the discussion. Who knows, perhaps the next post to this thread!

Please don't think I want to stop none traditional performers going to the club. Although my preference is for traditional music / singing, a club that doesn't allow all types of performers is a club that would be very boring. A couple of years ago the club was visited by a VERY good singer performing material from musicals. Not folk at all. But he performed, was applauded well for his good singing. He was made welcome....we haven't seen him since, but there you go.

Getting back to the start of this thread, the bodrhanist concerned has fans, and therefore support in the club. He plays guitar, sings funny songs, and entertains. It's a difficult situation to deal with.

If it doesn't get resolved (and I'm not going to say anything at the club, not unless he starts banging his bodhran to my singing again) I'll just not bother with the club again.

Cheers all,

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:23 PM

The problem is resolved.

Without going into unnecessary detail, the person in question has upset a few too many people, and will be discretely spoken to at the next available opportunity.

You have my word on that.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 11:26 PM

You know, a bodhrán is a rhythm instrument particularly well suited to play along with lively dance rhythms. Anything else is a rare exception and if done at all should be left to someone experienced enough to pull it off. If this guy just bought his drum, it should be a year before it sees the dim light of a pub or indeed any light except where he practices, and where he takes lessons.

The only songs I tend to play along with are "Sí Do Mhaimeo" (which is in a straight jig rhythm) and "Os Liostail Mé le Sairsint"(which is a march) and both only when sung by my friend and former band mate, Peter, who would actually be upset if I didn't join in. The proper bodhrán accompaniment to a ballad or an air or a waltz is to put your drum in your case, cock your head slightly to one side, listen intently and enjoy.

The same could be said for automatically singing along with someone who starts to sing a solo.

On the other hand, I've seen people come to a session geared towards playing together, and want to sing and play solo all night.

The bodhrán is really just too easy to be an asshole with, and therefore demands the player to be even more sensitive of the players around him than players of most other instruments. I was at a couple of sessions while on a visit to Chicago last year, where one of the session leaders commented that it must be tough to be a bodhran player and have to prove you're not one of those "Bodhran-owners"(His term, not mine) every time you play someplace new. It was at a session I would have not heard about to begin with if he hadn't been happy with my playing and more importantly, my etiquette the night before.

Rich


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 06:38 AM

Very well said, Rich.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 01:20 PM

Thanks Rich. Thanks Bernard. Thanks everyone. What a brilliant bunch of mates you ALL are. I'll never meet the vast majority face to face which is a shame. Thanks again everyone.

John (the much happier)


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 05:03 PM

hmm, a bodhran. that's shaped something like a frizbe, isn't it?

there once was a fool with a bodhran, who didn't know who he was botherin' 'til i finished a mug, got a pick-ax and dug a pit and threw him and his father in.

happy fathers' day, to whom it may concern.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: fiddlergirl
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 07:21 PM

I've got two younger brothers, so I can tell you from experience that a bodhran does NOT make a good medieval sheild, the tipper/sword will just go right through it... perhaps you could don some shining armor and honouraby defend the ears of your listeners?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,shortbuckle
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 07:40 PM

Guitar players get the same frosty looks at most sessions and with good reason, Irish traditional music is not harmonic (mostly)and needs special care when it comes to accompaniment. Leave the 3rd out of the chords lads.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 08:28 PM

Well, this was a treat to cruise through! Well done!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Brían
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 10:29 PM

I was thinking of this thread at my séissiún today when I came in and saw a BODHRÁN AND NOBODY PLAYING IT in my usual seat.
Brían.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 03:40 AM

Thanks noreen and everybody else! You've all been brilliant with your support and understanding.

I've got back into work this morning and found a number of emails, some from club attendees (we don't have members) who I didn't realise knew about the mudcat. There support was very surprising and most welcome.

Bernard's post & email has explained that 'something will be said'. It would appear that unwanted accompaniment has been a problem for others, as so many of you have so wisely said.

Thanks again!

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: English Jon
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:11 AM

How about, you get everyone in the session to bring one along, no other instruments. It'll be a crap evening, but you'll only have to do it once.

EJ


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:12 PM

and what would you call a roomfull of bodhran players?

anything you want, they wont hear you!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:25 PM

How many would you need to change a light bulb?

WHAT DID YOU SAY?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 09:42 PM

A terrorist goes into a pub with an UZI and demands, "Are there any fiddlers here?". The one tries to hide his fiddle behind him, but to no avail. The terrorist sees it and asks "Bluegrass or Irish?". The nervous young man stammers, "Ir-rish". The terrorists points the gun at him and orders him to play. The fiddler does his best and scrapes through a reel and the terrorist demands he keep going. The fiddler plays through his entire reperetoire before the terrorist is satisfied...........


................and guns down the 50 bodhránists playing along!!


Rich
I figured it would hurt a lot less if I posted it myself than if someone else did.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 10:12 PM

i have nothing to add; i just want to be the 100th entry. thanx


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