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Songcatcher-See the Movie

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Subject: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,Meadow Muskrat
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 09:04 PM

I've just come back from seeing the movie Songcatcher, and recommend to anyone interested in traditional music.It takes place in 1907 western North Carolina in the Southrn Mtns. and features a musicologists attempt to catalog the old ballads of the area.the story and photography are great, and the soundtrack is incredible, with no-nonsense treatment of the songs.See it before its gone.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Fortunato
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:09 PM

thanks, I will.

Chance


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:26 PM

Is there a soundtrack CD yet?

Alex


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:40 PM

Would that have been cecil Sharpe by any chance?


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:42 PM

Well in the movie it's a woman (which seems terribly anachronistic), but from what I heard on NPR it seems to be modelled on Cecil Sharp's activities.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: okthen
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 02:37 PM

Credits list a guy called Mike Harding, can't be the UK's very own warblist can it ? Anyone any idea when we might see it in the UK?

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:16 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many threads are we going to run on this sucker??? I have every reason to believe it's one helluva' movie, but great grannie's drawers...........ENOUGH WITH THE NEW THREADS!!! No offense, but we really need a mandatory check of past threads before starting a new one!!!!!!

Songcatcher One

Songcatcher Two

Songcatcher Three

Songcatcher Four

And this thread is Songcatcher Five........

Songcatcher Two, BREAK OFF!! BREAK OFF!! You got a Mig on your tail!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:23 PM

Oh sh*t, Songcatcher leader, what side? What side? AUGHGHGHGHGH!

(sfx: explosion; sad, lump-in-the-throat music)

Alex


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:29 PM

"Songcatcher Leader ... Anybody see a 'chute? Song Four, Song Four, Take a couple passes down that valley and see if you see anything.........Songcatcher Three, Fly cover for him............This is Songcatcher One to Jolly Green...Jolly Green we have man down, checking location...Please Standby........"

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:35 PM

Here's the world famous fighter-plane pilot, down behind enemy lines with nothing but his wits, a small first-aid kit, and a very expensive survival knife to keep him alive. Oh, and the service pistol and maybe 20 rounds of ammo.

I hear the boys flying overhead, looking for me. But the forest is so thick, and the chute is here at the bottom with me, instead of sprawled across the top of the trees where it could be seen. And me with no flare gun.

Okay now, remember those maps back at the briefing. This must be the Mappu River valley. The Mappu flows to the sea of ... um ...

Alex


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:34 AM

Sit tight Alex. There's a chopper on the way.

and by the way, I started one of those damn threads Catspaw mentioned. Mea culpa. mea maxima culpa.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: JennieG
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 06:22 AM

Gosh so did I....I'm off to hide under the bushes before Spaw sees me!
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 02:48 PM

I was gonna see the movie, but this thread suddenly turned into one!


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Fortunato
Date: 20 Jun 01 - 09:21 AM

"Now, now children, if I let YOU start a thread, everyone's going to want one. Now does anyone want any of these nice stewed prunes?"


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: bflat
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 05:46 PM

I hopped around reading the many threads on mudcat, related to this movie before choosing this one for my thoughts, as the title says succinctly what I want to urge you to do. I just saw the film and I loved it! The music is pure pleasure. The story line is held together and developed to showcase the music, I think. If you agree with me that there is a lack of popular culture support for folk music and that you wish more people would support it than, it is incumbent on you to see this film. It might encourage more work in and around this genre. See the movie.

Ellen


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 05:57 PM

can't wait to see this show...so i can start my own thread on it...


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Grab
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 06:24 PM

Any word yet on whether Alex has found his chopper?


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 06:31 PM

Thank you Ellen for NOT starting a new thread and I'm looking forward to seeing this one for myself! The guy that plaed "Parley" is someoone I knew back in college.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,bflat
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 08:55 PM

Golly gee, Spaw, you sure are a kind one not use to hearin' "Thank You."

Ellen


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: DougR
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 08:58 PM

Anybody seen that new movie, "Songcatcher" yet?

DougR


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 09:52 PM

Fock you Doug.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 12:26 AM

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 12:38 AM

On the other hand, at least you didn't start another thread..............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 12:56 AM

So? Has anybody seen the movie?


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Auxiris
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 03:45 AM

It will probably be at least a year before the translation is done, so we won't see it in France till then. . . then I can start a thread about it! (No, I won't, promise)

cheers,

Aux


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 12:20 PM

The movie got a good review in today's paper. Said the plot was nothing special, but the music was great!

DougR


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 04:26 PM

Songcatcher finally reached the hinterlands where we live. Well, to be more precise, it reached a theater 35 miles from where we live.

This ranks right up there with the best movies we have ever seen. See it! We are very fussy about the movies we see. We go less than once a year because we think the vast majority of today's movies suck. Everything about this movie is well done including the music, the acting, the cimematography, and, especially the costumes.

Don't miss this movie.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Mudlark
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 04:42 PM

Oh great....the LAST thread I read wasn't so kind (maybe that was the one that lost it over the Mappu River!) and the Salon Mag review said it was about as authentic as a dulcimer set down in an Ikea display. So I didn't make the 100 mi RT trek to see it. And now, sob, it's gone....... I demand a new thread if and when the video comes out!


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 10:12 PM


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 10:52 PM

Just posting to help this thread catch up with the other one on the movie.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:06 PM

Because I don't know which of the 10 threads someone may be tracing, I'm posting this on ALL of the "Songcatcher" threads.

Our good member annamil has a video store and I asked her to check on the " of the movie being available on videotape and as she always does, came through for us. Here is what she posted:

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I just called my dealer and he says it will be out Oct 23rd and I will pre-book it Oct 1st. You won't be able to buy it for awhile, but you will be able to rent it. I didn't know about this movie til I read this thread and I only read this thread because someone mentioned it in another thread. I can't wait to see it and more importantly, I can't wait to HEAR it.

I'm not sure how many I should order for the store as this is the first I've heard of it.

From what I heard and read here, it may be worth 10 threads ;-)

Love, Annamill

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So go bug your local videostore and tell them you want to rent "Songcatcher." And when you do.........Don't start another freakin' thread huh?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,'gargoyle
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:39 AM

Stop yer catter wailing Mr. Spaw!!!

(I thought you died, twice already...hurry up, get over the suffering and shuffle off this mortal coil!)

I permit myself to see...two films/videos a year...thanks to this FIFTH THREAD.....I WILL see this film....(might even see it twice and not worry about seeking another.) Most of us don't log in as frequently as you - and I would have missed this excellent recommendation.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,Anne WA
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 04:31 AM

Hi All,

I have seen the movie - it's great, but I also have a copy of the CD - and if we can get here in sunny Perth , Western Australia, I'm sure the rest of the world will follow.............................


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 06:25 AM

How can anyone think about movies at a time like this ? There's a man down and we don't know how bad he may be hurt or if he's been taken by the Mappu. And we all know what they do to captured pilots. Where's that damn Blackhawk with a report ?


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Banjer
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 06:32 AM

Movie?? What Movie??


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Banjer
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 06:36 AM

Speaking of movies, has anyone seen that new one about the lady that goes into South Carolina or somewhere in the early 1900's collecting songs and music?? If any one has seen it, please let us know how it is....

Banjer (duckingandrunningforcover)


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 01:58 PM

CLICK HERE for Bill Hahn's archived WFDU interview-- with David Mansfield, musical director and author of original score, SONGCATCHER.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:05 PM

Banjer - If you're going to change the topic you might want to consider starting a new thread !

Wesley {duckingalso}


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,Fortunato
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 05:26 PM

Well, I finally saw Songcatcher. I was really disappointed. My wife and I felt that every Appalachian cliche and sterotype was shoved in an story too small. Sort of like a blivet. Ten pounds of manure in a five pound bag. The cinematography was fine, but nothing notable. The acting was adequate, slightly better than the story. The plot wandered gratuitously around sampling ignorance, spontaneous lust, moonshine, supersitition, adultry, and lesbianism. This last, making the two lone school teachers who struggled to educate "the poor, backward, hillbillys" was was a simple ruse to have the music collection burned, we supposed, for it was otherwise pointless. Finally, the setups for the songs was so obviously contrived that at times I wanted to laugh out loud. Well, yes, it's lovely to hear music WE ALL want to hear in a movie, and the music was good, but did the movie have to be so damn bad? One last, the actress who played the granny who sang and midwifed stood out and was able to bring a credence to the whole limp affair when she was on screen. Regards, Chance


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:40 PM

What more could you expect????

They sent a woman to do a MAN's JOB!

Nope...I ain't gonna waist my second viewing...for an entire year...on this one. Once is enough!


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 01:24 PM

...gee guys...I liked it!


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 01:38 PM

...katlaughing brought up the most interesting fact in this discussion. Who was the movie based on: Olive Dame Campbell or Dorothy Scarborough?. I vote for Dorothy.

I can't understand why a movie about a woman in America who was extraordinarily well educated, adventurous, and making groundbreaking folk discoveries before women even had the vote, would not be interesting to you two fellas. I would have thought better of you and Chance, gargoyle.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Abby Sale
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 08:30 PM

Fortunato: I both do and don't agree. Yes, is was a mashing of a huge bundle of non-contiguous items & motifs into a single movie. But I feel it was intentional and polemic rather than commercial or frivolous. Imagine that the audience was the ignorant public, not us sophistocated & knowledgable people here. For all your (legit) complaints, imagine the purpose is to say each of these items, songs, attitudes has a purpose. It's not stage entertainment, it's part of life.

Yes "every Appalachian cliche and sterotype was shoved in" but perhaps it was to squeeze every folksong & ballad cliche into an hour and a half movie. Not so bad really. A single example (one of the blaringist) - our heroine's emaciated, sterile, parlor rendition of "Bonnie Bawbie Allen" and then being socked in the eye when she hears it for real. (By a trained opera singer, BTW.) But that's valid - few academics knew the songs were still alive. Child certainly didn't.

But to see a movie with REAL music in it's proper setting --- now that's a great thing I've never come across before in my life. It was wonderful.

As to the lesbianism, that's not so far-fetched either. Not the sister, but there's good reason to believe that Ms Campbell experienced a long-term stable homosexual relationship after the death of Mr Campbell. Not in the mountains, of course, in Europe.

harpgirl: It's a good guess but no, the factual elements and Campbell's relationship to Sharp are too well established. Sharp actually credits her with 42 songs in his great book - I looked. Anyway, she's mentioned in the credits. :-)


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 09:58 PM

Abby...regarding the lesbian relationship...was she in France in "The Belle Epoque"? Was she in the salon set, that is amongst Natalie Barney or Renee Vivien's circle? Who was her lover in Europe?

from katlaughing's post I'd wonder if it weren't a composite portrait of a certain type of lady of the era based on several women?hg


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 10:00 PM

..ah christ, I need the grammar police after me...


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: LR Mole
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 11:49 AM

I assume this movie doesn't have anything to do with the Sharyn McCrumb novel of the same name, but THAT just came out and it's WONDERFUL (the novel).


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 12:32 PM

Ah, Mo;e.....The answer to your question is on one of our other ten Songcatcher threads! If you choose THIS ONE......YOU'RE A WINNER in the "TEN THREADS OF MISHMASHED SONGCATCHER SHIT CONTEST"

Okay Johhny, tell 'em what he's won!!!!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:39 PM

Harpgirl, As Abby says, it's in the film credits, and it's also in the extensive publicity material available on the web (this is the fastest loading way to get at it, the link I posted in early in this thread) that Olive Campbell was the inspiration. And just to make things easier, the relevant text's below.

~ Becky in Tucson

Songcatching: The Heart of the Tale

While researching her script, Greenwald came across the old mountain term "Songcatcher," which refers to anybody who collects songs, whether a singer or an outsider. She also uncovered the real-life history of one of Appalachia's most renowned songcatchers, an East Coast-bred woman named Olive Dame Campbell, who boldly journeyed to the mountains with her minister husband in 1908, a time when few outsiders came to Appalachia. Olive was immediately taken aback by the astonishing music and crafts of the mountain people and began collecting their ancient ballads and studying the ways of their handicrafts. Eventually, she founded the John C. Campbell Folk School, dedicated to fostering traditional Appalachian ways, in Brasstown, North Carolina.

Although Olive Dame Campbell brought many of the songs she heard to the outside world, it wasn't until the British musicologist Cecil J. Sharp published them in 1915 that they began to gain renown. This irony that the songs only escaped national attention until a man became involved didn't escape Greenwald's eye. She decided right away that she wanted a woman at the center of her story one who, like Olive Dame Campbell, had to fight to be taken seriously, and who's number one priority was making the music last.

Dr. Lily Penleric never existed in real-life, but her experiences in the mountains echo many of the real-life Easterners a number of whom were among the country's first female college graduates -- who made their way deep into the hills hoping to bring improved health and education, while preserving the soul-stirring ways in which art naturally mixed with life there. The dilemma Dr. Lily Penleric faces to simply take the music for her own advancement or to help preserve and be a part of the freewheeling lifestyle that led to its creation was also very real.


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 02:41 PM

Eek! What have I wrought?? Joe Clone alert! I was intending to link to the other thread and got distracted with the idea of including the text from the web site and scrambled my syntax. Sorry!

~ B in T


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Subject: RE: Songcatcher-See the Movie
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 11:50 PM

Songcatcher became available for rent on video yesterday (Tuesday). Just thought I'd mention it.


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