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GUEST,Terry Blankenship 18 Jun 01 - 02:59 AM
GUEST,Short Fat Pom 18 Jun 01 - 04:01 AM
English Jon 18 Jun 01 - 05:05 AM
Wolfgang 18 Jun 01 - 06:35 AM
John P 18 Jun 01 - 06:37 AM
Wolfgang 18 Jun 01 - 06:50 AM
English Jon 18 Jun 01 - 07:27 AM
John P 18 Jun 01 - 07:51 AM
GUEST,Terry Blankenship 27 Jun 01 - 12:09 AM
balladeer 27 Jun 01 - 12:28 AM
GeorgeH 27 Jun 01 - 08:14 AM
English Jon 27 Jun 01 - 09:14 AM
GeorgeH 27 Jun 01 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,JohnL 27 Jun 01 - 01:06 PM
Les from Hull 27 Jun 01 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Terry Blankenship 28 Jun 01 - 02:08 AM
English Jon 28 Jun 01 - 06:02 AM
GeorgeH 28 Jun 01 - 06:23 AM
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Subject: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GUEST,Terry Blankenship
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 02:59 AM

For any of you Martin Carthy fans out there I just discovered he has a new box set out called "The Carthy Chronicles" that covers his whole carreer and has a lot of previously unreleased material.

There is a great article on him here: http://www.free-reed.co.uk/carthy/colinirwin.htm

All the very best, Te


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GUEST,Short Fat Pom
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:01 AM

I have this along with a fair number of Carthy vinyl and CDs and this is staggering good. The booklet that comes ith is brilliant. As with any box set, there will always be some material that individuals feel should have been included but failed to make the cut. For example, where is "The Broomfield Hill" from "Landfall"? This has to be one of the most stunning songs MC has ever recorded.

Any lover of MC et al should buy this immediately. I got mine from Amazon as it can be very difficult to get quality stuff in New Zealand.


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: English Jon
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:05 AM

There's an awful lot of crap on it though, isn't there?

All very interesting, but it is nice to see that he wasn't always terribly good.

Having said that, it's worth buying the set for the ANC anthem alone.

Cheers,

English Jon


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:35 AM

older thread here: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=32076

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: John P
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:37 AM

I've been wondering how much previously unreleased material is on The Carthy Chronicles. As someone who has all his albums, I'm not sure I want to spend that much money to pick up a few new tracks. Any opinions?

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:50 AM

John,

Look here for the tracklist. I have also all of his solo (+ Swarbrick +Watersons) albums and without doing an actual count I think about 50 % of the tracks are new to me (if I count as 'new' a life version of a known Carthy song). Slightly less than 25% if I only count new song I have never heard yet from Carthy. The notes to the songs in the booklet are all new and very good. It was worht buying for me though I would have preferred a volumes only with new material.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: English Jon
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:27 AM

Yes, that would have been a lot more usefull. Buy it. You'll find it very interesting.

EJ


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: John P
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:51 AM

Thanks Wolfgang and English Jon, I just placed an order for the set. I'm looking forward to it.

John


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GUEST,Terry Blankenship
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 12:09 AM

I got the box set and I love it. A lot of unreleased and live things and different versions. A lot of surprises. A great booklet comes with it. One of the best box sets I have seen. I am listening to it now.

(Even though it said on the box that it included a cd-rom it didn't). How do you get the cd-rom? What is on the cd-rom?

Terry


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: balladeer
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 12:28 AM

I've never known Martin to record crap.


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GeorgeH
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 08:14 AM

I know it's heracy to say so, but I find most of his more recent recordings don't measure up to his "live" performance . . more the overall "feel" of the albums than any individual track.

Of course it's easier to put together a set for live performance than find the right mix of new tracks for an album, but I find I seldom play our more recent Carthy CDs.

Oh, and remember that Free Reed (NO, don't get me going on the subject of Neil Wayne . . ) who did the Carthy Chronicles have also put out a Peter Bellamy box set . .

G.


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: English Jon
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 09:14 AM

Baladeer, there is some very early stuff on the set which may have been acceptable at the time, but is pretty unlistenable now. (Anyway, what about all that period when he was singing with a fake rural accent? There's several albums like that, and Carthy will be the first to admit that it's a bit embarrassing to look back on!)

I think signs of life captures the live feel pretty well George, but you can never get a CD quite like a live performance can you? Saw MC and NW with Chris Parkinson at Mayflower folk club last week. Bloody marvelous. Just wish they wouldn't keep doing "midnight on the water", which I hate. Just a personal thing.

EJ


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GeorgeH
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 12:59 PM

English Jon

We'd hoped to get there for that . . but something else cropped up (mainly work overload on my wife's part).

So where are you based? (We're at Sawston.)

Personally I love "Midnight on the Water" but think that Ron Kavanah's version is VASTLY better than Waterson/Carthy's . .

G.


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GUEST,JohnL
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 01:06 PM

I have the Chronicles set and enjoy them, part of the enjoyment being the opportunity to see the development of Martin over the years and how his work reflects the times the work was made.

We might not "buy" some of this work if issued new now, but this is a musical biography and to leave out the lesser tracks would be like bad editing. They are a part of our history and even the "bad" sounds pretty damn good to me!

How many other artists would you listen to with a repertoire that has evolved over 36+ years? And I have never noticed a "cod" rural accent, but it's preferable to a phoney American one.

The set isn't really issued with casual buyers in mind, just as most exhaustive sets aren't, more for fans who want to know as much as possible about an artist's origins and influences. MC fans will love it, others who are mildly interested won't be disappointed either.


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: Les from Hull
Date: 27 Jun 01 - 01:17 PM

I totally agree, JohnL. I'm sure that Martin's many fans will have a comprehensive set of his recordings. Free Reed haven't put out a 'Greatest Hits' but a collection that shows his work through the years, and it includes many recordings not on his CDs. So for any MC fan, it's well worth having. If there were a greatest hits set, we'd all have them wouldn't we?

GeorgeH - I was doing Ron Kavana's 'Midnight on the Water' some time before Norma started doing it, and now everyone thinks I've got it wrong. Grrr.

Les


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GUEST,Terry Blankenship
Date: 28 Jun 01 - 02:08 AM

There are a lot of live tracks and other musical surprises in the box set. A great booklet comes with it also. I have been listening to it constantly since I got it. I love it! I am listening to it now.

I do love seeing Martin live.

Now Dick Gaughan is an artist who is definitely best live.

Concerning his box set Martin recently told me that he thinks some of it is very good and some of it is downright weird, but it is all him, and all part of a long - if not always sensible journey.

He also said, "It's certainly truthful because I decided to stay out of the selection process so that I wouldn't be tempted to try and edit my past in any way".


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: English Jon
Date: 28 Jun 01 - 06:02 AM

Well yes, none of us would lay out 40 quid on a box set of records if we weren't pretty much into what he's all about. My point is that while a lot of this stuff if fantastic archive material for serious fans, it may come as a surprise/disapointment for those looking for an introduction to Carthy and his work. Having said that there's some fabulous stuff on there too. I think I already mentioned the ANC anthem, but that really is worth 40 quid in itself.

Anyway, MC has been a bigger musical influence on me than just about anybody else ever, and is indirectly reponsible for me being in debt to ken stevens music for the next four years (they had a guitar that sounded almost like his)

George, I'm just off Mill Road, Cambridge. See you at the portland some time.

EJ


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Subject: RE: The Carthy Chronicles
From: GeorgeH
Date: 28 Jun 01 - 06:23 AM

Terry: I agree Gaughan, too, is better live, but I find his recordings stand up slightly better than Carthy's. Both have made some "essential" recordings (and in Gaughan's case it's certainly not just the Trad/Modern material division, his "Different Kind of Love Song" is an album I class as Essential.

Carthy's comment sounds typical of the man.

Les: Good to see the "shared view" on "Midnight". Why is it Kavana isn't more widely appreciated?? (Well, having had an agent who quoted telephone numbers as fees for a while may not have helped!)

G.


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