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Napoleon's retreat

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BONAPARTE
BONAPARTE'S RETREAT
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Subject: Napoleon's Retreat
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:46 PM

The Prince Albert (Stroud UK every Mon) sessionists were playing an occ Sunday session and played the tune Napoleon's Retreat, remarking that today (18th) was the anniversary of said retreat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:53 PM

And?.....???

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:55 PM

Am I supposed to be happy about this?

Vive L'Empereur!


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:15 PM

His retreat from where? Not Russia, that was in the fall, October I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:15 PM

I tell a lie it was Bonapart's Retreat, not that a bodhran player like me would know the difference between his arm or his Elba.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:20 PM

Isn't bastille day in early June, also?

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:20 PM

Sorry. July 14.

Slinking away.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Spud Murphy
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:33 PM

Able was I ere I saw Elba.

Spud


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 11:57 PM

Then what happened, Spud?

The retreat from Russia was indeed in the fall.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Spud Murphy
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 12:16 AM

I think Josephine ran off with his old pal, Indrome, to the tune of 'Come Josephine, in my flying machine, we'll go up, so high, up, so high....'

Spud


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 03:33 AM

I didn't think Napoleon ever got as far as Stroud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 03:50 AM

I think it was the retreat from Waterloo. The battle of Waterloo was in June


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Banjer
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 04:16 AM

I'm not really up on the history of France, so cannot help in this discussion. My question: Is not Bonaparte's Retreat also known as the Caledonian March?


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Banjer
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 05:30 AM

On second thought, No it's not the same.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 06:22 AM

I thought he was captured by the English at Waterloo. He found himself surrounded by the British in front, and the Prussians from behind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 07:10 AM

No, after the battle of Waterloo (18th of June, 1815), Napoleon returned to Paris with the rest of his troops and surrendered himself to the English in Paris on July 15th, 1815).

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Edain42
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 10:31 AM

All I can tell u is the first few lines of a song a local group to me sing.

It was on the 18th day of June Napolean did advance The choicest troops that he could raise Within the bounds of France Thier glittering eagles shone around A terror to their foe But Britain's Lions, tore their wings On the plains of Waterloo.

That would imply that the battle was indeed the 18th of June and the retreat from Russia was during late autumn/winter as snow was one of the factors he was balting against as well as hunger etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: RWilhelm
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 11:45 AM

Anybody remember Plato's Retreat?


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 11:48 AM

The invasion of Russia was in 1812.

Of course there was also one in 1709 and 1941.

Looks like once per century (for the last 3), some idiot takes it into his mind to invade Russia from the West. When will they ever learn?

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Pinetop Slim
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:02 PM

Thanks for the info, Mr. Red. Bonaparte's Retreat is a fiddle tune I've always wanted to learn. I guess they could have called it 18th of June, the way Battle of New Orleans is set to Eighth of January. I've heard that Glen Campbell set words to Bonaparte's Retreat. Any 'catters know where same might be heard?


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 02:47 PM

Boney never got to Stroud, Caractacus got here first.
I will ask at the session one night for further info. I'd like to hear a Glen Campbell version too. The tune sounded English & they play mostly "Englishish" music, and proud of the fact. I only sneak in with my bodhran 'cos I play quietly (I think).


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 03:32 PM

The Early bird got the worm. I believe I do, but not a song about it.

My other problem is that I read the first post in haste and mentally transposed an anniversary on the 18th to the 18th anniversary, which left me somewhat chronologically challenged.

CC


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 08:02 PM

Pinetop Slim - Glen Campbell did record "Boneparte's Retreat" a few years ago.

If I'm not mistaken, however, Pee Wee King put the words to it back in the late 40's or early 50's. He's best known for co-writing the "Tennessee Waltz".

I believe King was also responsible for adding the arabic sounding part to the old fiddle tune, which I assumed was "traditional" for a long time, until a few people in the know disavowed me of that grevious error !


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Pinetop Slim
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 09:38 PM

Thanks, Les B, that should help me track down a version of the lyrics. On the arabic part, I had heard Doc Watson credited with adding "Little Egypt" as a C part to the tune; figured whoever did it was making a musical joke about Bonaparte's conquest of Egypt.


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Subject: Bonaparte's retreat
From: Les B
Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:11 AM

Pinetop Slim - as I remember them, the lyrics are something like:

Met the girl I love in a town way down in Dixie
'Neath the stars above, prettiest girl I ever did see

So I held her in my arms, and told her of her many charms
Held her while the fiddles played the Bonaparte's Retreat

(arabic part} Oh the world was bright as I held her on that night
And I heard her say, "please don't go away"

So I held her in my arms, and told her of her many charms
Held her while the fiddles played the Bonaparte's Retreat

As I remember, Glenn Campbell's version simply changed the instrument reference from "fiddle" to "guitar" to "bag pipes" etc. Campbell then played an instrumental break on each instrument mentioned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Pinetop Slim
Date: 20 Jun 01 - 11:36 AM

Many thanks


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: GUEST,Ole Bull
Date: 21 Jun 01 - 10:17 AM

Has anyone the history on this tune (not on Napolean please)such as where it first appeared, collected or published, or variant names? I am interested the same on Eighth of January.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 01 - 03:10 PM

Update on the Battle of Waterloo - New Scientist - ever mindful of the topicality of stories published an article on the subject (last week's issue). Napoleon was said to have retreated. AND.....
the declared winners (in this article) were orthodontists. With 50,000 otherwise healthy young specimens dead there was a rich harvest of TEETH for false dentures.
have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Napoleon's retreat
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 21 Jun 01 - 03:45 PM

OLe Bull - this is what Ceolas Fiddler's Companion site has - you can probably find Eighth of January there too.

BONAPARTE'S RETREAT [4] (Brisead Bonapart). Irish, Set Dance. E Minor. Standard. AAB (O'Neill/1850 & 1001): AABB (O'Neill/Krassen). O'Neill (Krassen), 1976; pg. 221. O'Neill (1850), 1903/1979; No. 1789, pg. 335. O'Neill (1001 Gems), 1986; No. 980, pg. 168 (the tune is mistakenly printed a set lower {placing it in an unplayable D Major}). Island ILPS9432, The Chieftains - "Bonaparte's Retreat" (1976).


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Subject: RE: Napoleon's retreat
From: GUEST,barry x
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:11 PM


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