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Subject: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: annamill Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:31 PM What is this guy Bush think that he's doin'?? Leave MY beaches and MY rivers ALONE!! DAMN IT!! .. I think I'll write a letter.. ********************************************************* The federal government has taken a step toward allowing exploration for oil and natural gas off the Eastern Seaboard by requesting proposals to study the idea. The request for proposals specifically mentions a site off New Jersey, and environmentalists view the study as the next step in a plan to allow offshore drilling and turn back the clock on a decadelong ban on mining for those resources off the Jersey Shore. "It (offshore drilling) allows you to do something wrong to the environment," said Thomas Fote, legislative chairman for the Jersey Coast Anglers Association. "It's the only reason why we need a study. . . . What they're going to try to do is justify it." A spokesman for the federal government's Minerals Management Service said last night a study does not necessarily mean the federal government has decided permit offshore drilling. Rep. Frank J. Pallone Jr., D-N.J., disagreed. "I think the Bush administration is trying to find examples of where they can drill, and I don't want (New Jersey) to be the example of where they can drill," said Pallone, a longtime opponent of offshore drilling. President Bush has made it clear he wants the United States to produce more petroleum domestically to help keep prices in check and reduce reliance on foreign oil. The study would examine the socioeconomics and environmental effects of drilling along the coast from Cape Hatteras, N.C., to the border with Canada, according to the Minerals Management Service's published solicitation for contractors to conduct the study. It would take about 18 months and cost between $300,000 and $350,000. "The northern U.S. Atlantic seaboard . . . has not been extensively drilled nor developed for potential oil and gas reserves," according to the solicitation. "However, there are areas with some reservoir potential, for example, off the coast of New Jersey." Earlier this month, environmentalists joined Pallone in protesting plans by the Department of the Interior to consider five sites for offshore drilling where it had been banned. Yesterday, some said the study is a sign this region is being considered. "As far as we're concerned with respect to oil and gas drilling (the Bush administration has) declared war, and the people that want the coast protected are ready for the fight," said Cindy Zipf, executive director of Clean Ocean Action, an environmental organization based in Sandy Hook. New Jersey's comeback from the late 1980s, when medical waste washed up on its beaches, flattening the tourist market, could be threatened by any plans to drill off the coast, said opponents of the study. Last year, tourism in New Jersey generated $30 billion in revenue -- $3.7 billion in Monmouth and Ocean counties. "That whole effort, that whole enterprise, would be put in jeopardy by this shortsighted push," said Bill Wolfe, policy director of the Sierra Club's New Jersey Chapter. But Michael Baugher, a spokesman for the Minerals Management Service, said a study does not necessarily mean exploration or drilling will take place. "It is not an automatic thing," he said. A spokeswoman for U.S. Sen. Jon S. Corzine, D-N.J., said the idea should not even be considered. "Basically, this is unacceptable, and we need to put an end to this before it's started," said Julie Roginsky. Zipf said the push was the result of an "oil-hungry" administration with ties to the oil industry. She said that any oil or gas that may be found off the Jersey Shore is "puny" compared with revenues generated by tourism and ecological resources. "Make no mistake, oilmen are in charge of the country right now, and they're going to seek out and find every opportunity to find and exploit oil reserves no matter where they are, no matter what the consequences," she said. Published on June 20, 2001 ********************************************************* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,SharonA Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:41 PM While he's at it, I wish he would leave everyone's beaches, river, tundra, national parks, etc., etc., alone. If he wants to drill, let him do it on his own ranch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: SINSULL Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:48 PM Or off the beach of his parent's home in Kennebunk |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:03 PM Pay back time for the people who didn't vote for him. But then that's most of the people who voted for anyone... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,UB Dan Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:18 PM Actually, Bush has done a lot of drilling in his own home state and probably pretty close to his ranch...and neither Bush nor Gore received an overwhelming majority. You shouldn't be upset at the location of the drilling, you should be pushing for the use and development of alternate energy sources. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Mountain Dog Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:27 PM UBDan, I agree with you; alternative sources are where we need to concentrate our efforts. On a somewhat promising note, the city of Vallejo, California is doing a feasibility study on wind-generated power with the stated hope of eventually providing about half of the community's electrical needs via wind generation. Many friends and neighbors here in the Northern Cal. foothills are living lightly on the earth - and quite comfortably, too - using solar and other alternatives (wind and water) in various combinations. It can certainly be done! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:45 PM annamill: I suppose everyone is going to stop driving their vehicles so we won't need gasoline anymore, right? Or perhaps everyone will park their cars and start riding bicycles? :>) We need more oil. We need to be less reliant on Iran and Iraq for that oil. Nobody wants them to drill in their own back yard. Oil is where it is, and it cannot be found in just any location. You have to go to where it is to get it. If it's off the New Jersey coast, so be it. It's off the Texas and Louisianna coasts and it's being drilled for there. It hasn't seemed to detroy those areas, what reason is there to believe it will spoil New Jersey's coast? That, I assume would be one of the focal points of the study:what might be the environmental impact on the area. The need to develop new energy sources is now, but the types of aternative energy souces mentioned will take years to develop and implement on a large scale. They should continue to be studied and tested and when they can replace oil as our primary energy source, do it! When that happens, we will begin to hear complaints about the companies that develop and offer the new technologies required, profiting from their effots, I suppose. GWB, I'm sure drilled in his hometown of Midland or somewhere in the area. Thre is oil there. I am familiar with Crawford and I can assure you there has never been any drilling for oil there. There evidently is none. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: wdyat12 Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:56 PM Use less fossil fuels! It's that simple. Oil is a drug and we have become addicted to it. This is your planet. This is your planet on drugs. Show those drug dealing oil men you don't need this fix! wdyat12 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Justa Picker Date: 20 Jun 01 - 01:57 PM No Doug. More oil is definitely not the solution. (Non renewable resource anyway and a stop gap measure postponing the inevitable. But then when has the U.S. ever looked at the long term picture regarding anything, when the history and the facts should have taught the country otherwise. The U.S, learned zippo from the OPEC crises of '73. If they had, there wouldn't have been a Gulf war fought solely over oil.) The future monies spent on exploration could and should be diverted into developing replacement and eco-friendly energy solutions, including the extraction of hydrogen from water to power engines for vehicles, heat our homes, etc.etc.etc. The technology exists but due to the massive lobbying interests of Big Oil and government contracts, it is suppressed. Reminds me of the Tucker automobile and the efforts made to quash it. Same thing happening here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,Ralph Nader Date: 20 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM I am shocked , who would have thought electing an ultra-conservative, C student Oil man to the highest office in the land would turn out like this? There should be an IQ test to determine who is allowed to vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Ian Stephenson Date: 20 Jun 01 - 02:04 PM Hi Anna. I agree with you whole heartedly. I had a good geography teacher who was passionate about these things. However I think its time to teach little max how to chase politicians! i. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,djh Date: 20 Jun 01 - 02:10 PM Doug ,I don't know about Louisiana, but the Gulf of Mexico Clean?! Nothing can live in a large section of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: InOBU Date: 20 Jun 01 - 05:17 PM While we are at it, how about being angry that Bush's administration has ended the federal oversight of the NYC police department? Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 20 Jun 01 - 06:12 PM I didn't know they had, Larry. I don't believe the Feds should be overseeing local police departments anyway, so you won't find any tears streaming down my cheeks anyway. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: kendall Date: 20 Jun 01 - 07:29 PM I heard or read somewhere that ALL of the oil from Alaska is going to Japan. If so, why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 20 Jun 01 - 07:32 PM I heard the Secretary of the Interior interviewed this morning on Fox News Network. She said almost all of the oil extracted would be used in the US of A. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: kendall Date: 20 Jun 01 - 08:54 PM Yeah, ALMOST |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Cobble Date: 20 Jun 01 - 09:45 PM Could'nt see it coming where were the howlers when Bush decided to break the big agreement on air pollution, the crap that comes out of factory chimneys etc, (global warming). Every time you get a man like that in power, all he is going to be interested in is how much profit, can his family and friends make out of it, never mind the state of the planet. How the hell did he get into power to break all the world agreements, the mind boggles. Cobble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 21 Jun 01 - 02:04 AM Welcome Cobble, you are a breath of fresh air. Kendall, isn't almost better than ALL? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: kendall Date: 21 Jun 01 - 05:22 AM If we have an oil shortage, why are we shipping ANY of it to other countries? Answer...There is no shortage! It's an illusion created by big oil to justify obscene profits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Lyndi-loo Date: 21 Jun 01 - 06:13 AM The answer is definitely to use less oil. The USA is responsible for more than 20% of the world greenhouse gas production. Use smaller cars, use your legs, car share to work, use public transport, eat less processed food, turn down your heating or your air conditioning a couple of degrees. Just do something! Design your towns and cities to be more pedestrian and public transport friendly. I have a friend in Nashville who finds it physically impossible get to the mall unless it's by car, because she has to cross a busy freeway. I'm really not anti-USA, but you've all been using far too much energy for far too long and payback time is closer than you think. Above all elect a decent damn President with vision! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 01 - 07:31 AM It's a little too late to start worrying about the environmental impact of oil drilling when you wait until it's in your own back yard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,SharonA Date: 21 Jun 01 - 12:07 PM Lyndi-loo, we ARE already paying back! The (s)election of our current President by the greedy IS one of the paybacks!!! To elect a President with vision, the voters need to have that vision. Seems like the voting public is pretty much split down the middle between a vision of short-term personal gain and one of long-term environmental protection. The reason I said Bush should drill on his property is that I think the destruction of his own "environment" MIGHT get it through his thick skull that there's a problem! Probably not, though. How do you convince "Big Oil" to "use less oil"??? We must do more than simply turn down our own thermostats. At least Bush is STARTING to listen to the global warming warnings. As has been said above, far too little far too late. Even if the US got its environmental act together, there are still lots of other countries with high pollution records who need convincing to make a global difference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: kendall Date: 21 Jun 01 - 12:44 PM China is another big time offender |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Ebbie Date: 21 Jun 01 - 01:46 PM Did anyone see the special on PBS the other evening? Bill Moyers did an in-depth two-hour documentary on various facets of what is happening to the world. It was very good- and very disturbing. Do the powers-that-be read these reports? It's hard to imagine that governmental officials could/would blow it off. The good thing about stupidity is that if it's led in the right direction it can be just as persevering as if it understood the subject. :) Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: annamill Date: 21 Jun 01 - 01:48 PM GUEST, nothing brings it home to you like having it in your own back yard. My backyard is so ruinable. (Is that a word?) L.A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 01 - 02:09 PM I have a friend who is a thoroughly grounded scientist and a well-known science-fiction writer. He is also quite conservative. To help solve our energy needs, he favors going nuclear. I haven't seen him for several years, but back then we used to argue a lot and sometimes it got pretty loud. But he did say some pretty good stuff from time to time. For example, "considering the incredible number of things that we use petroleum for" (and he went on to list a whole bunch of things like plastics, pharmaceuticals, fabrics, and damn near everything that we take for granted, including the barrel of your ball-point pen) "to burn it for fuel is a crime against the future!" Words to ponder. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Melani Date: 21 Jun 01 - 02:19 PM I have great faith in technology and research. If we put major bucks into researching alternative energy sources and subsidized people who wanted to implement them, things would move faster in that direction. No, I can't stop driving my car; I have disabled people in my life who can't use bicycles and even have trouble with public transit. Not to mention that to take the bus for two hours to get somewhere I could drive in 15 minutes just doesn't work with my schedule. What I want is an electric car that is fueled by energy produced by a renewable source, that will get me efficiently from Point A to Point B, and has as great a range as my gas-powered dinosaur and is as quick to refuel, and will carry as much cargo. I think these things will ultimately be possible, but it's gonna require those big research bucks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 01 - 03:03 PM Everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt. Apologies are offered for the seemingly caustic tone of the 21-Jun-01 7:31am post. Some readers may get the mistaken impression from the thread title and the initial post...of a perpetuation of the what's-mine-is-mine-what's-yours-is-yours mentality: that it doesn't really make a damn as long as it's not happening to me. Which is part of the problem. It's hard to get pissed off about global deforestation and the plunder of pristine land/seascapes for a few barrels of oil when it's 'green grass and high tides' where you live. Corporations are admonished to think globally, communities to think locally. Individuals have the formidable task of thinking both ways simultaneously. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 01 - 03:54 PM Corporations should not only think globally, they should also try to see beyond the quarterly bottom line. That seems to be about as far into the future as they care about. Someone said that a politician thinks of the next election, a statesman thinks of the next generation. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 21 Jun 01 - 04:54 PM Annamill, relax. It's all over. I read in the morning newspaper that the study you are so exercised about and prompted you to begin this thread, has been cancelled. "WASHINGTON- Facing opposition from New Jersey lawmakers in both parties, the Bush administration abandoned a plan Wednesday to study the impact of oil and gas drilling off the coast of New Jersey and other Eastern Seaboard states...." You probably are already aware of this by now, but thought I'd post it anyway. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: kendall Date: 21 Jun 01 - 06:24 PM For the information of all Mudcatters who live in Maine, we have an excellent candidate who is challenging Collins for the senate. Her name is Chellie Pingree, and I am behind her 100%. Naturally, the republicans have millions to back Collins, so, whatever you can spare is very important. It is also vital to get it to her before June 30th because of matching funds from the government. Her record on lowering prescription drug prices, and her stand on a patients bill of rights make her my choice for the senate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 21 Jun 01 - 07:16 PM Right on, Kendall! Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: annamill Date: 21 Jun 01 - 07:53 PM You're right DougR, I did read it, but I haven't had time to post it yet. My response to the article was "THAT'S RIGHT, AND DON'T COME BACK". We have to keep an eye that whole thing down there in Washington, huh. Love, Annamill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 21 Jun 01 - 10:55 PM On THAT, we totally agree, Annamill, my love! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Amos Date: 22 Jun 01 - 10:09 AM The GOP National Committee announced today that it is changing the Republican emblem from an elephant to a condom because it more clearly reflects the party's political stance. A condom stands up to inflation, And, furthermore, it was reported today that at a White House staff |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 22 Jun 01 - 02:58 PM Hilarious, Amos. Annamill: I read in today's paper that similar studies were to be made off shore Florida and they were cancelled for the same reason they were cancelled in New Jersey. Leading the charge against the studies in Florida was Jeb Bush. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: annamill Date: 22 Jun 01 - 04:04 PM HEH! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: annamill Date: 22 Jun 01 - 04:05 PM That was a ironical laugh, not a question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,Joe Date: 22 Jun 01 - 04:08 PM Hey just apicker if the gulf war was fought solely for oil why doesn't the US and her Allies own all of Iraqs oil fields and divide the wealth of them amongst them selves?I think we need to search for resources here in the states but at the same time make sure the enviroment is protected an oxy moron some would say but it can be done. The government needs to make laws to insure that big business is doing that such as if you cut down a tree you plant two in its place,if you drill for oil you make damn sure it won't spill into the surrounding enviroment.and so on and so forth. Nuclear power I sure don't want a 3 mile Island or Chernobyl in my back yard.I do however already have strip mining less than a 1/4 mile from my backdoor they were closer than that before but are start moving further around the hill. the thing is as long as they restore everything its good because it provides jobs and we don't have to rely on outside coal for fuel.I don't know if I have made myself clear but have said enough for now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: DougR Date: 22 Jun 01 - 04:13 PM Well, Guest Joe, I think you did a pretty good job of "making yourself clear." Are you in W. Virginia, by chance? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: hesperis Date: 23 Jun 01 - 04:03 PM Why are the alternatives to oil not being considered? And why is money not being spent to develop that, instead of "genetic engineering" crap and drilling. This is a pathetic situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: GUEST,Joe Date: 23 Jun 01 - 05:49 PM hello DougR no actually I am in Ohio but right on the border of West Virginia.I am about a 10 minute drive if that away from there.Wheeling is right across the river from us to give you a better idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Now I'm gettin' mad! From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jun 01 - 06:15 PM Someone once said "We won't have solar power until the power companies figure out how to run a sunbeam through a meter." Don Firth |