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Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van

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GUEST,MaryAnn McCarra-Fitzpatrick 26 Oct 11 - 05:39 PM
Jim Dixon 28 Oct 11 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,Lynne Lees 12 Aug 12 - 12:53 PM
GUEST,Stephen McGuire 13 Apr 13 - 05:22 PM
GUEST,Stephen McGuire 13 Apr 13 - 05:25 PM
GUEST 13 Apr 13 - 05:49 PM
GUEST 11 Jul 14 - 04:46 AM
Gutcher 11 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM
Gallus Moll 11 Jul 14 - 07:13 PM
Gutcher 12 Jul 14 - 01:59 AM
Jim McLean 12 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,S.Fullerton 10 Mar 17 - 05:22 PM
Jack Campin 10 Mar 17 - 06:34 PM
Gallus Moll 11 Mar 17 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,S.Fullerton 12 Mar 17 - 10:54 AM
GUEST,Peter Dornan 02 Dec 19 - 02:53 AM
GUEST,Starship 02 Dec 19 - 02:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,MaryAnn McCarra-Fitzpatrick
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:39 PM

This is off-topic, but I wonder where one would find a listing of the names of the men involved in this incident?

MaryAnn McCarra

mccarrafitz@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 03:04 PM

The incident took place 4 May 1921. The man they were trying to rescue was Frank Carty. (See Wikipedia.) The priest involved was Father McRory (not McGroray). I don't know what to make of "Mack Jay" and "Sandy Man."

There was a book written about the incident: Coyle, Stephen (2008). "High Noon on High Street: The Story of a Daring Ambush by the IRA in Glasgow in 1921". ISBN 9781873586440.

From http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image.php?inum=TGSA05246:
An 18th century Bailie confronts a poster with 20th century news, in this cartoon published in The Bailie in 1921.

The cartoon reflects the outrage felt by many Glaswegians at a violent attempt to free an IRA prisoner from police custody. Frank Carty, a senior Irish Republican Army officer wanted by the Irish police, was arrested in Glasgow. A police motor van was taking him from the Central Police Court to Duke Street Prison when thirty armed men attacked it in Cathedral Square. Inspector Robert Johnston was killed in the first volley of shots and Detective Sergeant George Stirton was wounded as he and another detective returned fire. The attempt to release the prisoner failed.

Thirty-four people were later arrested, thirteen of whom were sent for trial. The trial lasted eleven days and hinged on the question of identification of the accused. The jury accepted the plea of alibi for the defendants, and they were released. Carty was sent to Dublin.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,Lynne Lees
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 12:53 PM

Could you please tell me if a Cornelius Oconnell was involved ? He was my Grandfather and we have always believed that he was,,,, thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,Stephen McGuire
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:22 PM

Father Patrick McRory was my great-grandfather, when the arrested him he was badly treated in jail and starved and when he was realeased he died as a result. Don't think anybody knows that bit of the story..


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,Stephen McGuire
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:25 PM

Father Patrick McRory was my great-grandfather, when the arrested him he was badly treated in jail and starved and when he was realeased he died as a result. Don't think anybody knows that bit of the story..


If anyone has any questions about the story (I can see from below) contact me at: stephenmcguire1@hotmail.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:49 PM

*not my great-grandfather, my great-grandad's brother.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 04:46 AM

The courtroom it was crowded we were not allowed to speak
There were murmurs of disapproval as the judge he took his seat
defended by those councillors Mcgee and sandyman
The verdict was not guilty at the smashing of the van


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Gutcher
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM

Jim
Sandieman is an old name in Scotland---an old established wine firm in Perth bears the name and if my memory serves a lady of that family had a hit song in the popular music scene.
The names Mcgee and Sandyman [Sandieman] can of course be checked out in the list of Glasgow Councillors for the date mentioned.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 07:13 PM

Sandeman


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Gutcher
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 01:59 AM

Put it down to old age G.M.
I should have known better having done work for Ms. Sandeman when she was still married to her ex husband, the doctor.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM

SANDEMAN, port and sherry house with one of the most famous logos in the wine trade, the black Sandeman Don. It was founded in London by a Scotsman, George Sandeman, who in 1790 established his shipping business with a £300 loan from his father.

I see the thread was opened by my old friend Big Tim who is no longer with us.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,S.Fullerton
Date: 10 Mar 17 - 05:22 PM

Just found this page this evening.My father was James Fullerton and my uncle William Fullerton i have the newspaperDaily Sketch where a photo of my father released on Mon.29th August 1921 with a group of friends there to greet him.i also saw the bullet hole in the brick of Duke st .prison when i trained in the Royal Infirmary close by.my father died in Dublin in 1987.
great to read all your memories S.F.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Mar 17 - 06:34 PM

Wow. There can't be many people around who even remember Duke Street Prison, let alone have that sort of connection to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Street_Prison

I used to live in Dennistoun (late 80s/early 90s) so I knew where it had been.

Being called William Fullerton would have been a bit of a liability for an Irish Republican - I presume no relation...

Billy Fullerton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 07:03 PM

oops haven't looked at this thread for ages - -- re Sandeman, I know an excellent musician (fiddle/violin and accordion both folk and classical)originally from Killearn who is a Sandeman----last time I was in contact he was a scientist in Cambridge but still playing music, in a ceilidh/country dance band and also classical gigs.

Re Duke Street Jail (womens' prison?) -

There is a happy land
Down in Duke Street Jail
Where all the prisoners stand
Tied tae a nail
Ham an' eggs they never see,
Dirty water fer therr tea
There they live in miseree
(God save the queen? -- canny mind the last line!?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,S.Fullerton
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 10:54 AM

I was born in Dennistoun in my grandmother s house 40Kilberry st.She was mother of James and Willie Fullerton.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,Peter Dornan
Date: 02 Dec 19 - 02:53 AM

Vincent Campbell was my Great Uncle, he stayed in Abercrombie Street along with his cousins Patrick and Jane Campbell and they were all arrested for the incident.
Here is a link to the song you are looking for
https://www.itma.ie/digital-library/sound/smashing_of_the_van_maggie_magee


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Smashing of the GLASGOW van
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 02 Dec 19 - 02:22 PM

Here it is on YouTube. If it's been posted already, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCiHLzB2kOo


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