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Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock

Joe Offer 21 Jan 21 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,# 17 Jan 21 - 12:01 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 16 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM
KarenJoyce 16 Jan 21 - 02:57 PM
Joe Offer 16 Jan 21 - 05:02 AM
GUEST,jim bainbridge 20 Apr 14 - 08:31 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 14 - 07:10 PM
Joe Offer 19 Apr 14 - 04:50 PM
meself 23 Dec 10 - 12:31 PM
Bob the Postman 23 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM
meself 23 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM
Joe Offer 23 Dec 10 - 03:44 AM
GUEST 22 Dec 10 - 07:10 PM
EBarnacle 22 Dec 10 - 05:41 PM
GUEST,Return of Mary Vickery 22 Dec 10 - 05:07 PM
Joe Offer 27 Oct 09 - 02:30 AM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Jun 07 - 11:56 PM
Joe Offer 02 Jun 07 - 09:23 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Jun 07 - 04:16 PM
Joe Offer 02 Jun 07 - 03:23 PM
GUEST,meself 01 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM
GEST 01 Jun 07 - 11:20 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 01 Jun 07 - 12:01 AM
Howard Kaplan 31 May 07 - 10:52 PM
GUEST,meself 31 May 07 - 10:38 PM
Joe Offer 31 May 07 - 08:38 PM
GUEST,Don Walsh 06 Oct 05 - 10:41 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Oct 05 - 09:55 PM
Joe Offer 05 Oct 05 - 08:21 PM
Dave Ruch 05 Oct 05 - 08:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 04:29 PM

Thank you very much, KarenJoyce. I tried and tried with no success. So I uninstalled everything and tried once more. This time I copied the CD-ROM to a folder on my E: drive called "Outports" (my C: drive is tiny). I ran the Install program and it worked smoothly. The first time I ran "Outports" from my Start menu, I had to direct it to the data file. But after that, all was OK. Audio and MIDI files work.

Thanks to KarenJoyce, and to Jim Payne for supporting this program for so long.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 12:01 PM

The Forgotten Songs of the Newfoundland Outports: As Taken from Kenneth Peacock’s Newfoundland Field Collection, 1951–1961

By Anna Guigné

https://www.historymuseum.ca/boutique/product/the-forgotten-songs-of-the-newfoundland-outports/


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM

You should have had to try to install in Linux!

Mick


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock
From: KarenJoyce
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 02:57 PM

Joe...

My PEACOCK is working under Windows 10.

When you were seeking workarounds to make PEACOCK work under Windows 10, did you try inserting a folder\file combination of \system32\bdeadmin.cpl under the PEACOCK directory? (bdeadmin.cpl has to do with the Borland database.)

To spell things out a bit: I have the CD-ROM copied to the hard drive in a folder directly under C: (C:\PEACOCK). Inside that folder I needed to add the folder and file described above in order to make it work. When PEACOCK.exe runs, apparently it will seek bdeadmin.cpl in both C:\Windows\system32 AND IN C:\PEACOCK\system32. I don't recall for sure but I believe I needed to download Borland's bdeadmin.cpl from the Internet... I think that it had gone missing (or maybe I was able to nab it from an old backup... I don't recall).

I don't know which would take precedence if I had a version of bdeadmin.cpl in both places; I don't have it in C:\Windows\system32. It might work to put it there but I chose to put it in C:\PEACOCK so that future Windows updates or upgrades would not touch it and to remind myself that it is essential to running PEACOCK.

I also don't recall whether you need to be concerned about getting any particular version of bdeadmin.cpl. Mine seems to be from 2001. On the other hand it is possible that bdeadmin.cpl has not changed or is backwards compatible.

By the way, I think this problem and resolution occurred when I moved to Windows 8 ro 8.1 and that when I subsequently moved to Windows 10 there was no problem.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:02 AM

I think I've spent about $120 on Kenneth Peacock, and I have little to show for it. The computerized edition of Peacock was wonderful, and even had field recordings included, but it stopped working when I converted my computer to Window 10. I spent hours exploring workarounds, but never came up with a solution.
I bought a paperback edition of the 3-volume Peacock work but the binding has deteriorated and I lose pages every time I open a book. Most of the songs collected by Peacock are now available on GEST, so that's a saving grace. I would like to be able to find the Peacock field recordings that were part of the CD-ROM I purchased, though.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:31 AM

Anyone with any interest in the songs of Newfoundland should be aware of the recent book/CD combination of the songs of Jerome Downey of The Codroy Valley.
IT consists of 26 recordings of this Newfoundland Irish singer who passed away in February 2014. The recordings were done by Margaret Bennett and Kenneth s Goldstein in 1980, and the book (with complete lyrics) written by Margaret Bennett.
I have reviewed it as 'Jerome- Just One More Song' on www.mustrad.org.uk and the sale point is on the review


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 07:10 PM

Joe, songs in French from "....Outports" (except Alouette) are not included in GEST. This was a conscious decision on his part.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:50 PM

I haven't been using my Songs of the Newfoundland Outports program lately. I recently installed Windows 8.1 Update, and decided to see if I could get the Outports program to run.

No cigar. In fact, the program opened and then wouldn't allow me to close it.

I went to the instructions for installing on Windows Vista - they're not at their original location, but you can still view them at archive.org. BUT I couldn't get very far.

The instructions say to create a new folder on the C Drive which we will name "pdoxusrs." OK, did that.

Then it wants me to go to an icon on Control Panel called BDE Administrator, but it ain't there. BDE administrator is supposed to control C:\\Program Files\Common Files\Borland Shared\something-something.cfg

Well, there are Microsoft and Symantec shared files, but no Borland files.

I take it that the "Outports" program was built on Borland Paradox. Paradox is now owned by Corel.

Anybody know how I can make this thing work? It was really nice when it worked. I guess you can't expect computer programs to work forever.

-Joe-



I note that GEST now has lyrics for all of the Songs of the Newfoundland Outports, which is very nice. The CD-ROM has MIDI files and actual recordings of the songs, which is also very nice.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: meself
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 12:31 PM

Thanks. Btw, I suppose it's possible that Mr Willis learned the ballad from someone who had learned it from a recording. It seems to me that I recall someone coming across Hank Williams' songs in oral tradition in outport Nfld, back in the '50s or '60s.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM

Our guest alludes to this song, which I have copied, along with associated info, from GEST's website.   I googled for a re-issue of the Dalhart recording but could find nothing.

Please tell us more about yourself and any family lore you may have about this matter, Guest.

Mary Vickery And Connelly Donnelly (Coll. by Ken Peacock)

There lived a girl named Mary Vickery down in old Kentucky,
Oh, her life was so unhappy that away from home she fled;
She went away and never told her father she was going,
And when he found that she was gone he thought that she was dead.

When several months had passed away they found a woman's body,
Near Mary's home they found it in the bottom of a mine;
They thought it was the body of the long lost Mary Vickery,
They arrested Connelly Donnelly for that awful crime.

Oh, the witness swore against him was a woman that was jealous,
Because he did not love her, was devoted to his wife;
She swore upon the Bible she saw Connelly do the killing,
He was taken then to Frankfort jail and sentenced for his life.

"I swear that I am innocent," protested Connelly Donnelly,
But just the same they sentenced him behind the prison bars;
For a year or more he never saw his darling wife or family,
For a year or more he never looked upon the sun or stars.

But God had not forsaken him for down in San Anita,
A little Mary Vickery had been living all the time;
Oh, when she heard that Connelly was in jail her conscience hurt her,
She returned to prove that he was not guilty of the crime.

Then the governor of the state oh, he pardoned Connelly Donnelly,
And sent him to his wife who all alone had been his friend;
He left the prison bars behind. "Now," says Connelly Donnelly,
"It goes to show that right shall always triumph in the end."

####.... Variant of Return Of Mary Vickery recorded in 1927 by Marion Try Slaughter aka Vernon Dalhart (1883-1948) of Jefferson, TX (Brunswick Records E22227) ....####
Collected in 1952 from Gordon Willis [1911-2001] of St. John's, NL, by Kenneth Peacock and published in Songs Of The Newfoundland Outports, Volume 3, pp.819-820, by the National Museum of Canada (1965) Crown Copyrights Reserved.

Kenneth Peacock noted that although Mr. Willis assured him he did not learn this American ballad from a recording, the tune sounded suspiciously contrived and commercial. At any rate, students of native American ballads will be interested to see it in a Newfoundland collection. Peacock also noted that he had not come across it in any of the American collections, and that his own feelings about the ballad were that the jury should have known at the beginning that anyone with the name Connelly Donnelly could not possibly have committed such a heinous crime.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: meself
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM

OKay, I'll bite: WHAT is a song about your Aunt Mary Vickery? Did you try to add a link or a file or something?


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 03:44 AM

I don't recall what I did to get "Newfoundland Outports" to run in Windows 7, EBarnacle. I don't remember having any problem. The problem was with Windows Vista, but maybe I just used the same solution when I moved to Windows 7.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:10 PM

This is a song about my Aunt Mary Vickery.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:41 PM

Joe, shouldn't you have been able to set the various versions of Windows to emulate earlier versions in order to make them compatible with the disk?


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,Return of Mary Vickery
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:07 PM

This song was written about my Aunt he name was Mary Francis Vickery, I have lyrics, but really would love to hear the song.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 02:30 AM

Thanks to the instructions above, I was able to install this program in Windows XP, in Windows Vista, and now in Windows 7 - and I can run the program from my hard drive.

Please note that there is a new Web address for this program:
http://www.singsonginc.ca/liners/cdoutport.html. I'll change the incorrect addresses above when I find them.

This is an excellent program. Recently, I broke down and bought the three-volume printed set. As stated above, the binding is poor and the books fall apart easily. With the computerized version, you can both read and listen to the songs. To my mind, it's the ultimate songbook.

-Joe-
The page of instructions for Windows Vista has shut down, but it's available at archive.org. Now, I want to see if I can get the instructions to work on Windows 8.1 Update....
-Joe Offer, April 2014-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:56 PM

Actually it turns out that I was quite wrong about the MacEdward Leach website. They changed URL a while back, and my bookmark was out of date; so I ran a search for 'Handsome Harry' in order to save time. This, as it turned out, was a mistake. I wound up not at the page on their site, but at the equivalent page on GEST's site. He, of course, had also noticed their error and corrected it. Not knowing that anybody had mirrored the file, I assumed that I was where I thought I would be, and looked no further.

The 'official' site still contains the ludicrous mistake described (and, no doubt, many others). Sadly, their message stating 'If you have further information about any of the songs or singers on this website, we would love to hear from you' appears to be no more than empty words. Clearly they will ignore any such communication. The site is of value, then, only as a source of raw material; its commentaries cannot be trusted.

Admittedly, the DT contains even more such egregious errors and is even more slow to correct them; but it is run by a very small number of amateurs, using an (effectively) obsolete database format that can't be modified piecemeal. The Leach site, on the other hand, belongs to a (presumably) reputable university and is (presumably) maintained by professionals; they have no such excuse, and ought thoroughly to be ashamed of the shoddy 'scholarship' they are promoting.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:23 PM

So, Don Walsh responded, and gave me a link to repair information. It looks complicated, but it isn't. All you have to do is this:
  • install the Newfoundland Outports program using the installation program on the CD-R - but don't run the "Outports" program yet.
  • Create a folder titled pdoxusrs on your C:\ drive
  • Open your control panel (classic view) and open BDE Administrator
  • In the window that appears, click on the configuration tab, and expand the "plus" signs to go to Drivers/Native/Paradox
  • In the right window that appears where it says NET DIR C:\ click on C:\ and change to C:\pdoxusrs.
  • Close the BDE Administrator by clicking on the X at the top right corner of the BDE Administrator Dialog Box. You will be prompted to save the changes. Click on Yes.
  • You will be requested to restart all BDE applications for the changes to take effect. Click on OK.
  • Re-open the BDE Administrator to ensure that NET DIR has been changed to C:\pdoxusrs. Once that has been confirmed re-start the Newfoundland Outports program.
Full, illustrated instructions here (click)

The "Help" function still won't work unless you download Windows Help from Microsoft, but that's not a big deal. I still can't access Help from within the "Outports" program, but it works when I click on the Help file.
Works like a charm. Thanks, Jim and Don.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 04:16 PM

The online Leach collection is indeed full of errors, as 'GEST' remarks. A particularly bizarre example:

Their commentary on '78-054 NFLD: Handsome Harry' originally identified it as a version of Roud 568 / Laws P34 ('Sailor and the Ghost'). It obviously wasn't, and a few minutes' work revealed it to be a completely unrelated popular American stage song of the early 20th century, originally published by George W Meyer Music Co. in 1913, as 'Always Take A Girl Named "Daisy" ('Cause Daisies Won't Tell)': music by George W Meyer, words by Alfred Bryan and Sam M Lewis.

The ludicrous mis-ascription presumably arose because somebody assumed without checking that, because their text shared a title with an example of Roud 568, it must be the same song. A beginner's mistake, so I expect that 'GEST' is right about farming the work out to students.

About a year ago I emailed them with the correct information. They never replied, but the entry was eventually corrected; so evidently they do pay attention when things are pointed out to them, even if it isn't immediately obvious.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 03:23 PM

I got an e-mail back today from Singsong President Jim Payne. Programmer Don Walsh doesn't have a solution to my Windows Vista installation problem yet, but I appreciate their quick response.
These are good guys, and they're working on a labor of love, a project they really believe in. I'm sure they'll come up with a solution.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM

Great stuff, GEST. The appeal of that other Leach collection on-line, though, is that it has a host of field recordings available for your listening pleasure. So, in that sense, I suppose the sites complement each other. (Also, it has a good little essay by Peter Navarez, although it probably covers things that you're familiar with, given how far into this stuff you seem to be!).


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GEST
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:20 AM

Meself ~

MUNFLA's current on-line Leach Collection is rife with errors in transcription, history, and cross-references. It is difficult to put it on par with Kenneth Peacock's polished collection. I often get the impression students do the work for extra credit, but no one is checking the work well enough to remove even the blatant errors. For the past several years I have been working on the collection as time allows, and estimate about 75% of the GEST index is now complete, but the work is still ongoing....

Index of some of the Songs of Atlantic Canada and Folk Ballads and Songs of the Lower Labrador Coast Collected by Macedward Leach (1897-1967)

GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 12:01 AM

I hope you find the key, Joe. A mountain of material in the three volumes, and they are poorly bound.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Howard Kaplan
Date: 31 May 07 - 10:52 PM

There are several Borland newsgroups available through Google Groups. When I entered the search string {"BDE Administrator" "Windows Vista"} (without the curly braces but with the doublequotes), I saw 11 messages, 7 of which were in English. (That's not too surprising -- Borland products seemed to sell better in Europe than in America.) In any case, perhaps looking at those messages or varying the search string would turn up something useful.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 31 May 07 - 10:38 PM

Surprised no one's mentioned the MacEdward Leach collection. A veritable whack of Gaelic songs from Cape Breton, along with all the Nfld stuff.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 May 07 - 08:38 PM

So, now I tried to install Songs of the Newfoundland Outports on my new computer with Windows Vista, and I'm having all sorts of problems.
The error message I got during installation was "Unable to merge new configuration. Use BDE Administrator to merge your new configuration." BDE Administrator is some kind of Borland database program. The program comes from Singsong, Inc., and that firm's Website is no longer functioning.

Can anybody help?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,Don Walsh
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 10:41 AM

Hi Folks

You guys are right enough in saying that it's nice to have both the printed version and the multimedia version. I'm lucky enough to have both soft and hard cover editions of the printed version. Q you're right about the scanning… you should see the beating my soft-cover edition took in the process of preparing the multimedia version… it barley survived :-)

Dave… there are 517 songs total in the collection. Quite a few of the songs were collected before battery-operated tape recorders became available. The Canadian Museum of Civilization sent us about 40 hours of Peacock's field tapes which we went through. (That was a most enjoyable experience; there was quite a bit in there that didn't make it to the books.) We were able to match up 268 songs in the field tapes with the songs in the three volumes. Of course due to space constraints we couldn't use the whole song for all 268 so we decided to use the first verse (and chorus where the melody differed from the verse) and finding we still had space we also included 59 full songs, trying for at least one full song from each singer.

Q… Greenleaf and Mansfield and then maybe Maud Karpeles :-) I'd love to have them all in multimedia as well as the books. I found a copy of the Maud Karpeles "Folk Songs from Newfoundland" last December but alas I gave it to my girlfriend for a Christmas present but she says I can borrow it :-)

Iamicra… Sorry but there are no plans for a Mac version. Didn't someone tell me that newer Macs could run Windows programs? I know someone that has a Mac I should check it out for you.

Joe… glad you got the "moving the data" thing figured out and thanks for the email and complements.

Ok guys time to bring my car to the garage :-(

Cheers
Don Walsh


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 09:55 PM

Yes, I too like having the volumes in hand, but there is another drawback. Scanning is difficult because of the way the pages are held together in their paper binding. Scan or copy a number of the songs, and the volumes start to come apart.
I have pretty much convinced myself that I need the CD-Rom package as well as the volumes.

Now if they add Greenleaf and Mansfield-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 08:21 PM

Hi, Dave -

You don't hear the entire recording of the informant in each case, but I heard enough to be very satisfied. I'm still jealous of Larmarca and others who have the printed edition because there's something nice about having a book in your hands, but I can smugly say that I have many, many features that they don't have. Since I don't sight-read very well, it's nice to have the music in a form you can hear. I think Don and Jim did a wonderful job of the CD-ROM. Maybe we should negotiate with them to see if we could get the Digital Tradition in a similar package.

And I meant to tell Jim Payne and Don Walsh that after I figured out how to do the move the "hard way," I found that they have instructions in their Help utility that would have made it a lot easier - if only I had taken the time to read the instructions....

I installed the entire CD on my hard drive, which makes it a lot more convenient. Now I can put the disk in permanent storage and not have to go looking for it every time I want to look up a song.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Dave Ruch
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 08:11 PM

To those (Joe?) who are familiar with this new CD-ROM package, which sounds wonderful, a question - how much of the actual "informant's" singing of each song do you hear?


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: lamarca
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 03:42 PM

Any chance of a Mac version for us non-Windows people? I actually have the three-volume paperback set of Peacock, but would love to be able to hear the tunes, instead of fumbling them out on my keyboard...


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 03:07 PM

Hi Joe

Jim Payne emailed me to let me know about the couple of concerns you had with your Peacock installation. Sorry about the fact that the program only installs to C:\Peacock and that it doesn't install the CD Contents onto your hard drive. Your absolutely right that it should have but believe it or not I had my reasons for setting it up that way :-) Anyway, here is what you can do work around it.

First let me address moving the CD data to your hard drive.
1)        In the opening screen do a "Right Click" on any part of the "Blue" colour on the left side of the screen. You will see a popup dialog that informs you that you are about to move the data files.
2)        Click Yes
3)        Click "Move the Files"
4)        The program shuts down when you're finished
5)        Restart the program and it's now reading the data files from C:\Peacock\Data

Next: Moving the program to another drive.
For example… moving it to the D Drive.
1)        Copy C:\Peacock to D:\Peacock
2)        Edit the Peacock.ini file (Now in D:\Peacock) and find these lines.

[DataPath]
MainDataPath=C:\Peacock\Data
IndexDataPath=C:\Peacock\Data

3) Change to:
[DataPath]
MainDataPath=D:\Peacock\Data
IndexDataPath=D:\Peacock\Data

3)        Erase the C:\Peacock folder.

The folder doesn't have to be Peacock it can be anything so long as it's listed in the ini file.
Hopefully this will setup the program the way you want it.

One other thing you might have noticed. On some machines the help files don't display when you enter the program from the icon that was created on the desktop. For some reason on some machines the "Start In" box in the Icon Properties was left blank. Have a look at
http://www.singsong.nfld.com/liners/windowsfix.html for a simple fix.

If you have any other concerns drop me an email and I'll see what I can do for you. I won't post my email address here (Spiders and all) but you can reach me at www.donwalsh.com

Cheers and enjoy the program
Don Walsh


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 02:40 AM

I got my copy today, for $69 Canadian. I ordered through the SingSong Website (click) and backed up my order with an e-mail to Jim Payne. No problem with the credit card transaction.

The program is a nice piece of work. My one minor complaint is that the installation program did not allow me to choose the location for installation (I wanted to put it on D:\, and it would install only on C:\peacock. It also did not allow installation of the CD contents onto my hard drive.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 04:36 PM

"forget"
This damn computer can't spell !! :-}


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 04:35 PM

It's great to hear from Jim Payne on this list. If you ever get to see him and Fergus O'Byrne and The Crowd Of Bold Sharemen perform you will not soon fdorget it. The were a great hit at Celtic Colours !
             Slainte,
               Sandy


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Scotus
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 09:41 AM

MG -
My wife did her doctorial studies on trad storytelling at MUN at the same time as Anna was completing her PhD and they did performances together, so we know how good a singer she is. Actually we all celebrated Burns' Night at her house when I flew in from Scotland one year.

As far as we know she hasn't recorded any of her singing, but I'll double check that for you.

Jack


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: mg
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 01:01 AM

The main question is does Anna Kearney G. have a CD of herself singing? She is so wonderful. mg


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM

Money Order or Visa; email to be sure.
SingSong
Click on Ordering for information.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: karen k
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 01:13 PM

Wow, Jim I did not know about this. For us Americans it translates into about $58.50 I think. I am definitely getting this. Thanks Jim and Joe. Do they take American checks or what is the best way to handle this.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: GUEST,Jim Payne
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:47 PM

In reply to a message from Joe Offer, yes indeed, the complete three volume set of Kenneth Peacock's Songs of the Newfoundland Outports is available on CD ROM. It includes everything that was in the original publication,(517 songs, lyrics and musical notation, Peacock's notes on songs, introduction, acknowledgements, and photos) as well as excerpts from original informant recordings, audio playback of written musical notation, and besides Peacock's original theme index, it has a regional and community index of songs and informants, singer index, and a first line index. All indices are cross referenced and the CD ROM includes a full lyric search as well as a bookmark feature. It also includes a full biography of Kenneth Peacock written by Anna Kearney Guigne. The CD ROM is available from SingSong Inc., Box 6371, St. John's, Newfoundland, A1C 6J9 for Cdn$69.00, which includes HST and postage.

http://www.singsonginc.ca/liners/cdoutport.html


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:33 PM

Thank you; that's worth knowing. The new edition is also significantly cheaper than usual second-hand prices for the original edition or the 1960s reprint (it is a paperback, though).

Details are at  http://www.mun.ca/folklore/new/munflp/greenleaf.asp. The site doesn't work very well in non-Microsoft browsers.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Scotus
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 09:14 AM

Last year MUN published a reprint of Greenleaf and Mansfield's 'Ballads and Sea Songs of Newfoundland. Anna Kearney Giugne and Neil Rosenberg wrote the new foreword.

Jack


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:48 PM

Songs in Peacock, not in list for vol. 2, and corrections:

Une belle récompense 326
Dessur le pont de Nantes 331
La fille de la garnison 335
La fille soldat de Monticonteur 338
La belle regrette son amour tendre 430
Adieu de la mariée à ses parents 492
L'amant à la fenêtre de sa maîtresse 493
Boire un p'tit coup, c'est agréable 508
C'était trois jeunes garçons partis pour un voyage 512
En revenant de la jolie Rochelle 517
La jeune fille si amoureuse 525
La jolie fille et ses deux amants 539
Ma petite Marguerite 558
Quand j'étais fille de quinze ans 581
Le soleil s'en va se coucher 596

Annie Franklin 420
*Green Grows the Laurel 454
*Green Grow the Laurels 456
(*Combined into one title in karen k list)
**A Lad and a Lass 542
(** Land and a Lass)


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Frank Maher
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 04:03 PM

Hey,Peter T..What does Kudzu Mean??It's not in My Newfoundland Dictionary of Bad Words!!


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 03:46 PM

The indexes to Peacock's three volumes, posted by Karen K, are incomplete. Songs in French are not listed.
There are sixteen in vol. 1:

Le marché des animaux p 18
Le bonhomme tombe de l'arbre 45
Il faut voir que je me Savais 62
Si j'avais le bateau 96
La plainte du capitaine 161
Le beau militaire 168
Le beau monsieur tire ses gantes blancs 170
La belle cherche son amant 172
Blanche comme la neige 174
Dans les prisons de Nantes 183
Bergère fait du fromage 241
Le bon vin 249
C'est à Paris y-a-t'une noce 255
La jeune fille sans amant 293
Le mari de quatre-vingt-dix ans 298
Mon bon ami va venir ce soir 300

Also missing:
Bury Me Not on the Lone Prairie 153


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Seecora
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 05:00 AM

Q, thank you for your response. I appreciated all of your questions/comments, and would like to give more detail as to what my goal is...

I am not an expert on Child Ballads, but this has been of interest to me for many years. I am now in the stage of analysing/comparing variants that I find elswhere (in different languages as well). A passion of mine, really.

My choice of writing about Child ballads in Canada is not a random one. I lived in Canada for four years and gathered many songs and a few collections of songs (Creighton, Fowke) while still there. This doesn't, however, provide we with sufficient primary/secondary literature.

Your questions go straight to the point and are well-founded.
"Simply recording the presence of a Child ballad is insufficient to characterize the content", as you rightly say. But this should be a linguistic/literary task, and my analysis would be based on the aspects of language and style found in those ballads - meaning, metaphor, lexis, etc. as compared to the 'original' Child ballads. The song's context cannot surely be ommited (your questions #4 and #5), but I would like to keep it in the background, concentrating on the linguistic and stylistic choices.

Perhaps I really am too naive to want to give concrete form to a project of this scope.

But my dream is to find someone - a kindred soul - for whom it would be interesting and perhaps in some way enriching to discuss a song here and a song there, for the sheer pleasure of it.


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 08:31 PM

Seecora, what you are asking is not easy.
How it is possible to write a thesis without consulting the pertinent references is beyond my ken.
1. The main Canadian references list the songs by local title and under genre (Humor, pirates, murder, etc.) in the indexes, Peacock being one of these. The reference must be perused to identify the Child ballads.
2.Does the Canadian collection have a twist, or variant, that changes the meaning of the original? In other words, why is it of interest? 3.Is it identified only because there is a verse (or few) that is a floater, used in later songs, but the content is entirely different? Simply recording the presence of a Child ballad is insufficient to characterize the content.
4.Does the song appear with a specific group of immigrants? Has the song instead been diseminated by broadsides or songbooks?
5.What songs have not been brought beyond the manuscript stage and into publication?

In connetion with checking the occurrence of a couple of Child ballad variants, I happen to have a list of those appearing in Peacock. There are 23. Many have a local title.
Cambric Shirt- Child 2
Bonny Busk of London- Child 10
Gypsy Laddie-O - Child 200
Hambrick Town- Child 221
The King's Daughter- Child 4
Lord Bateman- 53
Rich Merchant's Daughter- 283
Sir William- 110
Bar the Door O- 275
Farmer's Curst Wife- 278
The Foolish Shepherd- 112
Fair Marjorie's Ghost- 74B
Lady Margaret- 77
Lord Donald- 81
Lord Thomas and Fair Ellinor- 73
Barbara Allen- 84
Sir James the Rose- 213
Young Ship's Carpenter- 243
The Babes in the Greenwood- 20
Bold Lamkin- 93
Bonny Banks of Ardrie-O -14
The Two Brothers- 49
Captain Ward- 288


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: Seecora
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 05:38 PM

Would someone here be so very kind and help me out?

I am writing a diploma thesis on Child ballads found in Canada (but I am from Europe and have no access to books on this topic) and would very very very much appreciate if someone provided me with a few commentaries/lyrics of the songs concerned, as noted in Peacock's Songs of the Newfoundland Outports.

This is an important project for me; I would like to make it as objective, informative and interesting as possible.

Perhaps I can offer something in return? Perhaps someone has similar interests and would like to discuss individual songs with me?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

:-) S.

agrar@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: EBarnacle
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 10:50 AM

I happen to have a copy of MacKenzie. If there is a song you wish, PM me and I will get the words to you. EB


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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports
From: mg
Date: 15 Nov 04 - 08:53 PM

Brings Back Memories..I knew Anna Kearney before she was a Mrs. What a beautiful voice..I wonder if she has any cd's out?????
Anna, are you here?
mg


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