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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 31 May 07 - 08:38 PM So, now I tried to install Songs of the Newfoundland Outports on my new computer with Windows Vista, and I'm having all sorts of problems. The error message I got during installation was "Unable to merge new configuration. Use BDE Administrator to merge your new configuration." BDE Administrator is some kind of Borland database program. The program comes from Singsong, Inc., and that firm's Website is no longer functioning. Can anybody help? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GUEST,meself Date: 31 May 07 - 10:38 PM Surprised no one's mentioned the MacEdward Leach collection. A veritable whack of Gaelic songs from Cape Breton, along with all the Nfld stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Howard Kaplan Date: 31 May 07 - 10:52 PM There are several Borland newsgroups available through Google Groups. When I entered the search string {"BDE Administrator" "Windows Vista"} (without the curly braces but with the doublequotes), I saw 11 messages, 7 of which were in English. (That's not too surprising -- Borland products seemed to sell better in Europe than in America.) In any case, perhaps looking at those messages or varying the search string would turn up something useful. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Jun 07 - 12:01 AM I hope you find the key, Joe. A mountain of material in the three volumes, and they are poorly bound. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GEST Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:20 AM Meself ~ MUNFLA's current on-line Leach Collection is rife with errors in transcription, history, and cross-references. It is difficult to put it on par with Kenneth Peacock's polished collection. I often get the impression students do the work for extra credit, but no one is checking the work well enough to remove even the blatant errors. For the past several years I have been working on the collection as time allows, and estimate about 75% of the GEST index is now complete, but the work is still ongoing.... Index of some of the Songs of Atlantic Canada and Folk Ballads and Songs of the Lower Labrador Coast Collected by Macedward Leach (1897-1967) GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GUEST,meself Date: 01 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM Great stuff, GEST. The appeal of that other Leach collection on-line, though, is that it has a host of field recordings available for your listening pleasure. So, in that sense, I suppose the sites complement each other. (Also, it has a good little essay by Peter Navarez, although it probably covers things that you're familiar with, given how far into this stuff you seem to be!). |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 07 - 03:23 PM I got an e-mail back today from Singsong President Jim Payne. Programmer Don Walsh doesn't have a solution to my Windows Vista installation problem yet, but I appreciate their quick response. These are good guys, and they're working on a labor of love, a project they really believe in. I'm sure they'll come up with a solution. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Jun 07 - 04:16 PM The online Leach collection is indeed full of errors, as 'GEST' remarks. A particularly bizarre example: Their commentary on '78-054 NFLD: Handsome Harry' originally identified it as a version of Roud 568 / Laws P34 ('Sailor and the Ghost'). It obviously wasn't, and a few minutes' work revealed it to be a completely unrelated popular American stage song of the early 20th century, originally published by George W Meyer Music Co. in 1913, as 'Always Take A Girl Named "Daisy" ('Cause Daisies Won't Tell)': music by George W Meyer, words by Alfred Bryan and Sam M Lewis. The ludicrous mis-ascription presumably arose because somebody assumed without checking that, because their text shared a title with an example of Roud 568, it must be the same song. A beginner's mistake, so I expect that 'GEST' is right about farming the work out to students. About a year ago I emailed them with the correct information. They never replied, but the entry was eventually corrected; so evidently they do pay attention when things are pointed out to them, even if it isn't immediately obvious. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:23 PM So, Don Walsh responded, and gave me a link to repair information. It looks complicated, but it isn't. All you have to do is this:
The "Help" function still won't work unless you download Windows Help from Microsoft, but that's not a big deal. I still can't access Help from within the "Outports" program, but it works when I click on the Help file. Works like a charm. Thanks, Jim and Don. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:56 PM Actually it turns out that I was quite wrong about the MacEdward Leach website. They changed URL a while back, and my bookmark was out of date; so I ran a search for 'Handsome Harry' in order to save time. This, as it turned out, was a mistake. I wound up not at the page on their site, but at the equivalent page on GEST's site. He, of course, had also noticed their error and corrected it. Not knowing that anybody had mirrored the file, I assumed that I was where I thought I would be, and looked no further. The 'official' site still contains the ludicrous mistake described (and, no doubt, many others). Sadly, their message stating 'If you have further information about any of the songs or singers on this website, we would love to hear from you' appears to be no more than empty words. Clearly they will ignore any such communication. The site is of value, then, only as a source of raw material; its commentaries cannot be trusted. Admittedly, the DT contains even more such egregious errors and is even more slow to correct them; but it is run by a very small number of amateurs, using an (effectively) obsolete database format that can't be modified piecemeal. The Leach site, on the other hand, belongs to a (presumably) reputable university and is (presumably) maintained by professionals; they have no such excuse, and ought thoroughly to be ashamed of the shoddy 'scholarship' they are promoting. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Oct 09 - 02:30 AM Thanks to the instructions above, I was able to install this program in Windows XP, in Windows Vista, and now in Windows 7 - and I can run the program from my hard drive. Please note that there is a new Web address for this program: http://www.singsonginc.ca/liners/cdoutport.html. I'll change the incorrect addresses above when I find them. This is an excellent program. Recently, I broke down and bought the three-volume printed set. As stated above, the binding is poor and the books fall apart easily. With the computerized version, you can both read and listen to the songs. To my mind, it's the ultimate songbook. -Joe- The page of instructions for Windows Vista has shut down, but it's available at archive.org. Now, I want to see if I can get the instructions to work on Windows 8.1 Update.... -Joe Offer, April 2014- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GUEST,Return of Mary Vickery Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:07 PM This song was written about my Aunt he name was Mary Francis Vickery, I have lyrics, but really would love to hear the song. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: EBarnacle Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:41 PM Joe, shouldn't you have been able to set the various versions of Windows to emulate earlier versions in order to make them compatible with the disk? |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GUEST Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:10 PM This is a song about my Aunt Mary Vickery. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Dec 10 - 03:44 AM I don't recall what I did to get "Newfoundland Outports" to run in Windows 7, EBarnacle. I don't remember having any problem. The problem was with Windows Vista, but maybe I just used the same solution when I moved to Windows 7. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: meself Date: 23 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM OKay, I'll bite: WHAT is a song about your Aunt Mary Vickery? Did you try to add a link or a file or something? |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Bob the Postman Date: 23 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM Our guest alludes to this song, which I have copied, along with associated info, from GEST's website. I googled for a re-issue of the Dalhart recording but could find nothing. Please tell us more about yourself and any family lore you may have about this matter, Guest. Mary Vickery And Connelly Donnelly (Coll. by Ken Peacock) There lived a girl named Mary Vickery down in old Kentucky, Oh, her life was so unhappy that away from home she fled; She went away and never told her father she was going, And when he found that she was gone he thought that she was dead. When several months had passed away they found a woman's body, Near Mary's home they found it in the bottom of a mine; They thought it was the body of the long lost Mary Vickery, They arrested Connelly Donnelly for that awful crime. Oh, the witness swore against him was a woman that was jealous, Because he did not love her, was devoted to his wife; She swore upon the Bible she saw Connelly do the killing, He was taken then to Frankfort jail and sentenced for his life. "I swear that I am innocent," protested Connelly Donnelly, But just the same they sentenced him behind the prison bars; For a year or more he never saw his darling wife or family, For a year or more he never looked upon the sun or stars. But God had not forsaken him for down in San Anita, A little Mary Vickery had been living all the time; Oh, when she heard that Connelly was in jail her conscience hurt her, She returned to prove that he was not guilty of the crime. Then the governor of the state oh, he pardoned Connelly Donnelly, And sent him to his wife who all alone had been his friend; He left the prison bars behind. "Now," says Connelly Donnelly, "It goes to show that right shall always triumph in the end." ####.... Variant of Return Of Mary Vickery recorded in 1927 by Marion Try Slaughter aka Vernon Dalhart (1883-1948) of Jefferson, TX (Brunswick Records E22227) ....#### Collected in 1952 from Gordon Willis [1911-2001] of St. John's, NL, by Kenneth Peacock and published in Songs Of The Newfoundland Outports, Volume 3, pp.819-820, by the National Museum of Canada (1965) Crown Copyrights Reserved. Kenneth Peacock noted that although Mr. Willis assured him he did not learn this American ballad from a recording, the tune sounded suspiciously contrived and commercial. At any rate, students of native American ballads will be interested to see it in a Newfoundland collection. Peacock also noted that he had not come across it in any of the American collections, and that his own feelings about the ballad were that the jury should have known at the beginning that anyone with the name Connelly Donnelly could not possibly have committed such a heinous crime. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: meself Date: 23 Dec 10 - 12:31 PM Thanks. Btw, I suppose it's possible that Mr Willis learned the ballad from someone who had learned it from a recording. It seems to me that I recall someone coming across Hank Williams' songs in oral tradition in outport Nfld, back in the '50s or '60s. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:50 PM I haven't been using my Songs of the Newfoundland Outports program lately. I recently installed Windows 8.1 Update, and decided to see if I could get the Outports program to run. No cigar. In fact, the program opened and then wouldn't allow me to close it. I went to the instructions for installing on Windows Vista - they're not at their original location, but you can still view them at archive.org. BUT I couldn't get very far. The instructions say to create a new folder on the C Drive which we will name "pdoxusrs." OK, did that. Then it wants me to go to an icon on Control Panel called BDE Administrator, but it ain't there. BDE administrator is supposed to control C:\\Program Files\Common Files\Borland Shared\something-something.cfg Well, there are Microsoft and Symantec shared files, but no Borland files. I take it that the "Outports" program was built on Borland Paradox. Paradox is now owned by Corel. Anybody know how I can make this thing work? It was really nice when it worked. I guess you can't expect computer programs to work forever. -Joe- I note that GEST now has lyrics for all of the Songs of the Newfoundland Outports, which is very nice. The CD-ROM has MIDI files and actual recordings of the songs, which is also very nice. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Apr 14 - 07:10 PM Joe, songs in French from "....Outports" (except Alouette) are not included in GEST. This was a conscious decision on his part. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:31 AM Anyone with any interest in the songs of Newfoundland should be aware of the recent book/CD combination of the songs of Jerome Downey of The Codroy Valley. IT consists of 26 recordings of this Newfoundland Irish singer who passed away in February 2014. The recordings were done by Margaret Bennett and Kenneth s Goldstein in 1980, and the book (with complete lyrics) written by Margaret Bennett. I have reviewed it as 'Jerome- Just One More Song' on www.mustrad.org.uk and the sale point is on the review |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:02 AM I think I've spent about $120 on Kenneth Peacock, and I have little to show for it. The computerized edition of Peacock was wonderful, and even had field recordings included, but it stopped working when I converted my computer to Window 10. I spent hours exploring workarounds, but never came up with a solution. I bought a paperback edition of the 3-volume Peacock work but the binding has deteriorated and I lose pages every time I open a book. Most of the songs collected by Peacock are now available on GEST, so that's a saving grace. I would like to be able to find the Peacock field recordings that were part of the CD-ROM I purchased, though. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: KarenJoyce Date: 16 Jan 21 - 02:57 PM Joe... My PEACOCK is working under Windows 10. When you were seeking workarounds to make PEACOCK work under Windows 10, did you try inserting a folder\file combination of \system32\bdeadmin.cpl under the PEACOCK directory? (bdeadmin.cpl has to do with the Borland database.) To spell things out a bit: I have the CD-ROM copied to the hard drive in a folder directly under C: (C:\PEACOCK). Inside that folder I needed to add the folder and file described above in order to make it work. When PEACOCK.exe runs, apparently it will seek bdeadmin.cpl in both C:\Windows\system32 AND IN C:\PEACOCK\system32. I don't recall for sure but I believe I needed to download Borland's bdeadmin.cpl from the Internet... I think that it had gone missing (or maybe I was able to nab it from an old backup... I don't recall). I don't know which would take precedence if I had a version of bdeadmin.cpl in both places; I don't have it in C:\Windows\system32. It might work to put it there but I chose to put it in C:\PEACOCK so that future Windows updates or upgrades would not touch it and to remind myself that it is essential to running PEACOCK. I also don't recall whether you need to be concerned about getting any particular version of bdeadmin.cpl. Mine seems to be from 2001. On the other hand it is possible that bdeadmin.cpl has not changed or is backwards compatible. By the way, I think this problem and resolution occurred when I moved to Windows 8 ro 8.1 and that when I subsequently moved to Windows 10 there was no problem. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM You should have had to try to install in Linux! Mick |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: GUEST,# Date: 17 Jan 21 - 12:01 PM The Forgotten Songs of the Newfoundland Outports: As Taken from Kenneth Peacock’s Newfoundland Field Collection, 1951–1961 By Anna Guigné https://www.historymuseum.ca/boutique/product/the-forgotten-songs-of-the-newfoundland-outports/ |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Jan 21 - 04:29 PM Thank you very much, KarenJoyce. I tried and tried with no success. So I uninstalled everything and tried once more. This time I copied the CD-ROM to a folder on my E: drive called "Outports" (my C: drive is tiny). I ran the Install program and it worked smoothly. The first time I ran "Outports" from my Start menu, I had to direct it to the data file. But after that, all was OK. Audio and MIDI files work. Thanks to KarenJoyce, and to Jim Payne for supporting this program for so long. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Nov 22 - 03:25 PM Forgotten Songs is available at Amazon for $61.85. Here's the blurb on the book from Amazon:
Other information from the Amazon entry:
"‘Forgotten songs’ of outport Newfoundland discovered again Published on December 12, 2016 ‘Forgotten songs’ of outport Newfoundland discovered again in The Forgotten Songs of the Newfoundland Outports: As Taken from Kennett Peacock's Newfoundland Field Collection, 1951-1961. Kennett Peacock’s three-volume 1965 collection “Songs of the Newfoundland Outports” has had a tremendous influence on singers in the province. A new work by Anna Guigné has brought together the best of the remaining unpublished material from Peacock’s 1951-1961 field collection. Guigné is an independent folklorist and adjunct professor affiliated with Memorial University of Newfoundland’s ethnomusicology program. Recently published by the University of Ottawa Press and the Canadian Museum of History as part of the Mercury Series, “The Forgotten Songs of the Newfoundland Outports” features 127 songs arranged under 115 titles with song notes and biographies of the 58 different singers." It is hoped the book will raise awareness of Peacock’s contribution to Canada’s musical collections and revive interest in his research into the music of outport Newfoundland.
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: meself Date: 19 Nov 22 - 08:29 PM Joe: that youtube link doesn't work .....
-Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Songs of the Newfoundland Outports-Peacock From: meself Date: 20 Nov 22 - 12:42 PM They're all good now - thanks, Joe! |
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