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composers of children's songs

GUEST,Janet at darts 05 Jul 01 - 04:08 AM
Joe Offer 06 Jul 01 - 04:05 AM
GeorgeH 06 Jul 01 - 07:29 AM
IanC 06 Jul 01 - 07:41 AM
Hollowfox 06 Jul 01 - 03:29 PM
Hollowfox 09 Jul 01 - 04:23 PM
Joe Offer 09 Jul 01 - 07:50 PM
IanC 10 Jul 01 - 04:35 AM
Hollowfox 10 Jul 01 - 01:00 PM
Jacob B 10 Jul 01 - 02:50 PM
Genie 30 Mar 09 - 12:44 AM
GUEST,Three Bears Rap 07 Sep 10 - 05:06 PM
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Subject: composers of children's songs
From: GUEST,Janet at darts
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 04:08 AM

I need to know the creators of the following songs asap.
  • The Three Bears Rap (once upon a time in a nursery rhyme)
  • The Poor King found a goldfish in his bath
  • Hickerty Tickerty Bumble Bee
  • Plum Pudding song (they were black, white, yellow and green)
Thanks.
Janet x


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 04:05 AM

You pose some tough questions, Janet. If you'd like to post the lyrics you have, we'd love to have them. This site (click) says that Shirley Collins recorded songs titled "Lumps of Plum Pudding" and "Black White Yellow & Green." I also found something doing a Google search for goldfish in his bath (click) (but none of the links helped much. I also found a mention of a game called "Hickerty-Tickerty," but no further information.
Good luck.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: GeorgeH
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 07:29 AM

Shirley certainly did . .

The finest plum pudding you ever had seen They were black, white, yellow and green . .

We had it on a tape of a radio broadcast of hers (where she tells a very funny story of visiting a fortune teller, as a lead-in to "The Gipsy's Wedding Day").

No idea if I can find it (but I'll have a look), and don't think she attributes it to anyone. I'd guess it was "Trad".

G.


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: IanC
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 07:41 AM

The "Black, white yellow and Green" sung by Shirley Collins is in DT sung by Roy Harris. The tune is "Black Joke" and I'd always assumed it was another version of the song associated with that Morris dance.

I found some stuff on "The 3 Bears Rap" but nothing definitive about an author.


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Hollowfox
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 03:29 PM

In the USA, both the Folktellers and Doug Elliott have recorded the Three Bears rap. If nobody comes up with better information than that, I'll post the information from those recordings on Monday. It's probably more than twenty years old. It was called the jazzy Three Bears and other such variants before rap was recognized as a musical term. If nothing better comes up, I'll post


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Hollowfox
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 04:23 PM

The Folktellers said that they learned it from a five year old girl, who'd learned it in preschool, and that they adapted it from there. Doug Elliott said that it's been used by camp counsellors, etc. for many years. Sounds like "trad." to me.


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 07:50 PM

Hollowfox, do you have the lyrics to "3 Bears Rap"?
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE THREE BEARS RAP
From: IanC
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 04:35 AM

Joe

here

THE THREE BEARS RAP

Traditional

Once upon a time in a nursery rhyme there were three bears.

(click, click, click)

A Papa bear, a Mama bear and a wee bear. (click, click, click)

One day, they went out walking and a-talking in the woods.

(click, click, click)

Along came a girl with long, curly hair. (click, click, click)

"Someone's been sitting in my chair," said the Papa bear.

"Someone's been sitting in my chair,"said the Mama bear.

"Hey, Mama Three Bear," said the little wee bear,

"Someone has broken my chair."

YEAH!!

"Someone's been tasting my porridge," said the Papa bear.

"Someone's been tasting my porridge," said the Mama bear.

"Hey, Mama Three Bear," said the little wee bear,

"Someone has eaten my porridge."

YEAH !!

"Someone's been sitting on my bed," said the Papa bear.

"Someone's been sitting on my bed," said the Mama bear.

"Hey, Mama Three Bear," said the little wee bear,

"Someone is here in my bed."

YEAH!!

Goldilocks woke up and broke up the party. (click, click, click)

"Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye," said the Papa bear.

(wave hand)

"Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, " said the Mama bear.

(wave other hand)

"Hey, Mama Three Bear," said the little wee bear,

"Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye."

(wave both hands)

YEAH!!

(Slap knees on bold type,

clap intervening beat,

click fingers on word 'click' or say "Ch",

and arms wide on YEAH!!)

It's all over the web, but I didn't think anyone here specifically wanted it, else I would have posted it earlier.

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Hollowfox
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 01:00 PM

Thanks, Ian. As I recall, the Folktellers have a different line for bye bye bye, etc.:
"What kind of bear was that there? HUH?"
There are probably lots of other variations floating around out there.


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: Jacob B
Date: 10 Jul 01 - 02:50 PM

Much information about Plum Pudding is in this thread.


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Subject: The Three Bears Rap (or jive talk) - Bobby Troup
From: Genie
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 12:44 AM

I don't think the Three Bears 'song' -- it wouldn't have been called a "rap" when it initially came out -- is traditional.   I think it was written by Bobby Troup in 1946. (The be-bop era?)
Although it's possible the basic poem/children's song was earlier and of unknown authorship and Troup just came up with the "hip" version.

Here's the Mudcat thread for this song: The Three Bears (Rap, Jive Song) - Troup / Goldilocks


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: GUEST,Three Bears Rap
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 05:06 PM

(patting knees & clapping hands alternately to the beat)

Once upon a time in a nursery rhyme there were threeeee bears.
They went a walkin' in the little woods a talkin'
and along came a little girl, long flowing golden hair,
her name was Goldilocks.
Up upon the door she knocked, but no one was there,
she didn't care,
she walked right in and had herself a bowl.
Along came home the threeeee bears.
(in a low voice) Who's been eating my porrrrridge, said the papa bear, said the papa bear.
(in a high mama voice) Who's been eating my porrrridge, said the mama bear, said the mama bear.
(in a baby voice) Hey mama b-bear said the little wee bear, somebody's broken my chair, (hands up)AAH!
So Goldilocks woke up, and broke up the party, (now take hitch-hike thumb and point it back over your shoulder once for each time you say the following) and beat it out of there, and beat it out of there.
(waving) Bye Bye Bye (in a low voice) said the papa bear, said the papa bear.
(waving) Bye Bye Bye Bye Bye (in a high mama voice) said the mama bear, said the mama bear.
(in a baby voice) Hey mama b-bear said the little wee bear, somebody's broken my chair, (hands up)AAH!


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Subject: RE: composers of children's songs
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 07:09 AM

"The Three Bears" was composed by Bobby Troup, who also wrote "Get your kicks on Route 66". It is often assumed to be "tradtional". This may be because it is transmitted orally at play centres and camps.


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