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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,boring geust jim Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:18 PM ps lesely duncan sing children sing tom paxton gave me a cigarett in the players tent in i dont remember were i didnt smoke then put it over my ear and went out in the rain to listen to phill ochs didnt hear a lot was kissing girl next seat it was nice |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Edthefolkie Date: 18 Jan 10 - 07:16 PM Joanne, apparently Anthea died of a stroke/brain haemorrhage at only 57 at her home in Suffolk. I met her a few times when she was on the door at the Merlins Cave in Margary St, along with Heather Wood - this was 1973/4. She was a great person. I didn't know then that Anthea knew EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING, but didn't make a big deal of it! Obviously now I wish I had had more sensible conversations with her rather than drinking too much Ben Truman or Courage or whatever foul brew it was. But such is life.... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: balladeer Date: 18 Jan 10 - 11:16 PM Jock, I don't really remember the room, but I'm pretty sure I was there, and I have a strong feeling that I know you. I'm glad to meet you again. I sent these links earlier in the thread, but in case you missed them, here they are again, just to show you who I became. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyX3NhDoWN4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-TRnlAkjM Ed, thank you for the clarification re Anth. It's a very, very sad story. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST Date: 24 Jan 10 - 04:21 PM Does anyone remember going to a folk club called the Quaggy Folk Club which was around Manor Park in Lee/Lewisham. Theresa |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: John MacKenzie Date: 24 Jan 10 - 04:43 PM And this , is what I'm up to now Joanne. Nice to meet up with you again too. It's been a while :) JM |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,jacobs ladder Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:37 AM I have just read through this thread with great nostalgia while researching a book I am writing. I had completely forgotten about the Witches Cauldron, which was between Belsize Park and Swiss Cottage. Thre was an awesome blues harmonica player who hung out there whose name escapes me now. A gang of us also used to frequent a folk club which no-one else seems to have mentioned which was underneath Schneider's Falafel House behind what is now Swiss cottage Lbrary - early and mid sixties - called the Hole in the Ground. I think Jo Ann Kelly was resident singer there, and that Paul Simon sang there on his Outward Bound tour. We also used to be in the audience regularly at the Troub' when Redd and Martin were hosts and Noel Murphy, Johhny Silvo and the Strawbs et al were frequent guests - there was also an awesome Anglo Irish band called The Tinkers if memeory serves me well. I saw Noel down here in devon recently - plus ca change ... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: The Borchester Echo Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:04 PM The Witch's Cauldron was in Belsize Village and The Hole in The Ground in Winchester Road. The Tinkers were residents at the Three Horseshoes in Hampstead Village, I think after the Three City Four gave it up. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Davethedrum Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:05 PM Hi David Lowrence here I was the drummer with the North Circular Accidental Band 1970-73. Elaine, my wife came across this thread after googling the band. It is so nostalgic. I am posting some reminiscences of the bad, with pictures on my website, and will link it when complete. Does anyone remember the Putney Rowing Club Ceilidhs? Also any links to Doug Sherriff's family - I have some pictures they might like. Any news of Ray Twomey?, Jerry Shiels? or David "Buttercup" Robinson? I remeber you Bonnie! I also remember the re-opening of Dingles - Herga - The Enterprise (sang there before I moved to London) - The Engineer and CSH. Wow - emotional overload! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Paul Simon with The Thinkers Date: 31 Jan 10 - 02:53 PM Hello, who were The Thinkers? Paul Simon performed with them on: 19640626 London, Heath Street, UK, The Three Horseshoes, Tinkers Club. • Billed as 'Paul Simon and The Tinkers' and 'One of America's best folksong writers and recording artists' (MelodyMaker June 27th, 1964) (see my website www.bookends.nl) All information is very much appreciated. Rob Oudshoorn, The Netherlands |
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Subject: Paul Simon in Irish Folkclubs in 1964 or 1965 From: GUEST,Rob Date: 31 Jan 10 - 02:56 PM I heard that he possibly stayed around Drumcondra. Anyone any knowledge of gigs then. All information is very much appreciated. Rob Ouudshoorn, The Netherland |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Herga Kitty Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:54 PM Blimey, Davethedrum - IIRC, Steve Heap was also a drummer with the North Circular Accidental Ceilidh Band. Kevin Sheils, who posted on this thread earlier, might be able to give you news of his brother, and former caller with the band, Gerry. And also of Dave Buttercup Robinson and Dave Daisy Armitage. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:53 PM Daisy worked in the Folk Shop at C#H when I was there, though I think that was after Doug's time. He also played (or was getting into) uilleann pipes as I recall. I had to send out review copies of books for ED&S and he was interested in the Willie Clancy one. What's he up to these days, anybody know? We also had Dave Tulloch working in the library at one stage. His wife made me a harp case which is still going strong (I'm sure I've just written this recently: was it in a private email, possibly?). And one of The Exiles (3 Horseshoes Hampstead, residents there at that time IIRC) taught guitar in the school I was working in, or perhaps I inherited his students, can't quite recall. I had a little after-school class of them. His wife was a teacher there too. Hi Dave The Drum, thanks for posting - I never knew Steve Heap played in the NCACB: he was organising rather than gigging by the time I knew him. The Folk Shop used to let us play the records, and I listened to The Valley Folk LP a lot, which he was in. Gotta stop rambling down memory lane and catch some zzz's... it's after midnight... my brain cell is getting weary as you can no doubt tell from this... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Davethedrum Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:58 AM Herga Kitty I think Steve Heap took over the rhythm section (!) after the band split following a professional offer. I seem to remember playing Herga, but it was a long time ago! Anybody with info can contact me on dlowrence @ me.com (remove the spaces! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: manitas_at_work Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:01 AM Last I heard Daisy was head of Early Woodwind at the former London College of Furniture now part of London Metropolitan University. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Gealt Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM Passing Fulham Broadway last week I was pleased to see The King's Head has reverted, no longer Slug & Lettuce. The great Sean McGuire played in the tiny private bar here in the 60's, about the time he recorded a lp with Roger Sherlock & Josephine Keegan - At Their Best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn70NAPW4hg Learning from the Maestro, a concert in 1997. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Suegorgeous Date: 01 Feb 10 - 09:21 PM Anyone remember the folk club in Addlestone, Surrey back then? think it was at the Station pub... (I seem to remember finding someone on Mudcat a couple of years ago who went there?) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Old Vermin Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM Addlestone - Back Prince or Duke of something - heard Alex Campbell there about 1970. Never seen anyone get through at bottle of Scotch at a session before or since. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: dombonito Date: 03 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM I've just discovered this thread and I noticed my name cropping up in connection with The Enterprise. There might be a few people out there who remember the original resident group the North West Three, featuring myself, Maureen Seaton and Don Wallace. Sadly, Maureen passed away about 18 months ago but her daughter Nancy (Wallace) is doing rather well having been nominated for a BBC Radio 2 Folk award.If anyone's interested, I still have a pulse and quietly vegetating in Saffron Walden, |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Vic Smith Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM Dom Bonito said I've just discovered this thread and I noticed my name cropping up in connection with The Enterprise. There might be a few people out there who remember the original resident group the North West Three, featuring myself, Maureen Seaton and Don Wallace. Sadly, Maureen passed away about 18 months ago but her daughter Nancy (Wallace) is doing rather well having been nominated for a BBC Radio 2 Folk award.If anyone's interested, I still have a pulse and quietly vegetating in Saffron Walden, This probably means that Dom Bonito is the ideal person to answer the questions that I have asked at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=21263#21263 on Feb 8th about who are the three musicians who appear on the cover of the 1965 Folk Directory. But, of course, it needn't be Dom.....any knowledgable verteran London folkie is welcome to answer...... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Vic Smith Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:38 AM I got a quick response! Over on the fRoots Forum, Ian Anderson showed this to NANCY WALLACE, nominee at this year's folk awards and she said, "Oh my God it's Ma and Pa! And uncle Dom! This makes it DOM BONITO, DON WALLACE and MAUREEN WALLACE (though she was Maureen Seaton at the time of this photo. She died about 18 months ago) They performed together as THE NORTH WEST THREE. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Morris-ey Date: 08 Feb 10 - 11:02 AM Dingles - probably the worst beer of any folk club; Freemasons Arms, Covent Garden, Sunday night sing-around and probaly the best beer. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Claire (Bonito) Allen Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:37 PM I've never seen that picture of my old Pa (Dom) and Maureen and Don (Aunt and Uncle). I always knew my old Dad was a bit of a legend ;o) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Claire (Bonito) Allen Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:52 PM Also, I think I have seen it mentioned before. There is a table cloth signed by those who played at the Enterprise. Well. I currently have this cloth in my possession, I saw Dad this weekend and Mum (Frances-Maureen's sister) wanted to borrow it as she hadn't seen it in years. It needs laundering, the sigs are safe as they were embroidered over by Frances' mum at the time. Dad and I were thinking we ought to photograph it and get it up on the web somewhere for all to see. Any suggestions? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Kevin Sheils Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:13 PM There was quite a bit of The NW3 on the Folk Britannia a few years ago including film of Dom and Frances attending a Pete Seeger gig (I think) in what looks like the old Irish Dancehall "the Buffalo" at the back of Camden Town station in the mid sixties. Must get out of the habit of calling him Don I guess so many people called him Don in error. Dom looked no different really when I saw him last at Clive Woolf's 60th a few years back. Oddly somebody who used to go regularly to the Enterprise in those days turned up at Walthamstow last week and was asking about people. We do have an Enterprise regular Dom may recall, Trevor, still regularly attending W'stow and Sheila Miller's Cellar upstairs club |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Kevin Sheils Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:24 PM Been away for a few days but just catching up on this thread. For Dave the Drummer. Brother Gerry still knocking around the scene. He lives in Huntingdon now so I think his "local" club is St Neots. He drops in on us in Walthamstow from time to time and is always ready with a song or monologue. Regulars at the Volunteer in Sidmouth will recall his monologues there ove a few years at the turn of the century! Ray Twomey was around my local clubs a few years ago as well but not seen him for a while, but Dave Armitage is regularly seen, usually at Towersey. Not seen the Buttercup Dave for a very long time. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Claire (Bonito) Allen Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:47 PM I don't think he is much different in any way these days. He's just a slightly more lived in beardy old bugger now. A lot of people call him Don, don't think he minds too much to be honest with you. I saw the bits on Folk Brittannia. It was quite surreal watching footage of my parents and other rellys from before I was born. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Vic Smith Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:33 AM Claire (Bonito) Allen wrote:- Dad and I were thinking we ought to photograph it and get it up on the web somewhere for all to see. Any suggestions? Surely the place should be the thread on the fRoots Forum that is currently dealing with Dom, Don and Maureen should be the place. Unlike Mudcat, you can insert photos on that forum. It is at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5077 |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Claire (Bonito) Allen Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:12 PM Great idea. Am registering now. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,FrancesTurner nee Seaton Date: 10 Feb 10 - 04:31 PM The Hampstead Folk Club actually started its life at a pub in Pond Street but after the first week and with guests booked for 3 months the landlord informed us he had not got a music licence so Red Sullivan and Martin Windsor agreed to sing with no gate money being taken and they passed the hat round at the end of the evening. The next week was spent with the five of us Don, Maureen, Dom Terry Gould and myself doing a pub crawl of Hampstead finally ending up at the bottem of Haverstock Hill at the Enterprise the rest as they say( and the ice creams) is history. Can't remember the name of the pub in Pond Street it was'nt the Roebuck. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Davethedrum Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:55 PM Thanks Kevin Huntingdon is V Close Ray Tomey is close by - I smell a reunion! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Leadfingers Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:53 PM A couple of Names mentioned earlier - George MacColl and Alan Young are still active - I see them regularly in Brentford ! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Leadfingers Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:54 PM Ooops !! AND Mat McCann !! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Edthefolkie Date: 11 Feb 10 - 03:52 AM Just had a look at an Enterprise flyer from 1974 (some people collect bus tickets......). It quite clearly states DON Bonito as a resident along with Brian Grayson so no wonder we all thought he was Don! I humbly apologise Dom, nearly 36 years later. Incidentally between July and October Dave Burland, Mr Gladstone's Bag, Pete Stanley and Roger Knowles, Vin Garbutt, Lazy Reel, Peter Bellamy, Martin Carthy, Lamplight, Alex Atterson, Hoddesdon Crownsmen, and Dave Goulder were advertised. Not bad eh? Not to mention the Norf Landon wide boys downstairs. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: dombonito Date: 11 Feb 10 - 05:17 AM I'd just like to clear up the Dom/Don business once and for all. I was always known to my family as Donny when I was a child which I hated when I grew up, so it was shortened to Don. My real first name is Dominic so about 30 years ago I started using it when I became a teacher. I thought it sounded a bit more classy. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,ray.P911 Date: 11 Feb 10 - 06:33 AM The harp player is Mox(ie) Gowland, who regularly played at the WC with John Lamont- don't know what happened to him but Mox has lived in France for 30 odd years I think. A true character with that incredible hair and bag of harmonicas. Great little club, saw loads of good bands etc there, but was a restaurant when I last passed a few years back and difficult to see where it once was. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Kevin Sheils Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:13 AM Just to add another link to the Hampstead Folk Club memories. Brian Grayson who was resident in 1974 returned to Australia some while ago and out of the blue got in touch with me a couple of years back. He was at that time still involved in the scene in Australia but not sure if he reads mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Herga Kitty Date: 11 Feb 10 - 02:26 PM I rarely went to the Enterprise, but I have a memory of Packie Byrne singing about the dustmen's strike .... Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Herga Kitty Date: 11 Feb 10 - 02:29 PM Forgot to say, also, that George Papavgeris has recently been contacted by Michael Pollock who has reel to reel tape recordings of the Herga Singers that he made at the club in the 1960s! Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Barry B. Date: 12 Feb 10 - 04:44 PM I was amazed to stumble across all this, so many mames I'd forgotten. Used to frequent the Enterprise in Chalk Farm, so sorry to read Maureen Seaton passed away, lovely person, and under-rated singer. Anyone remember the "Robin Hood" club at Potters Bar? I used to help run this for a while with the "Folklanders". We once booked a singer called Elton Hayes (just for something a bit different)..he used to sing the ballads in the old TV series of Robin Hood. It was a memorable evening. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Feb 10 - 04:49 PM Elton Hayes I always remember his version of The Owl and the Pussycat, with affection |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,Angieb Date: 12 Feb 10 - 07:39 PM Hi. I've just stumbled over this thread (being new to Mudcat). What a trip down memory lane. Fond memories of the Tower Folk Club, with Dympna and Sheila Messenger as residents (also Paul Havell?) plus others. The club in Middlesex Street at the Kings Stores was the Peelers Folk Club, run by Joe and Anne Palmer and Roger and Kay Nicholson. The Peelers group then were Joe Palmer, Tom Madden and Jim Younger. Great Saturday nights at the club, then back for a 'session' somewhere and then off to the Favourite for a wonderful Sunday lunchtime session. (Sadly the Favourite is I believe now buried under the Arsenal car park). Also Friday nights at Hoddesdon Folk Club with the Crownsmen. Bounds Green on a Sunday night. I believe 'Bonded Boots' (Dave Walters and Howard Bond) were residents there. Also many visits to Dingles and the Black Bull at Barnet. Great Days. I was there for your first gig with Packie, Bonnie, memorable!! You've got me thinking now. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Kevin Sheils Date: 13 Feb 10 - 04:27 AM Angieb - Sheila and Dympna Messenger (no longer with those surnames) are still occasional visitors to the current Walthamstow Club. Neither are directly involved with folkmusic anymore I believe but Sheila is active in Theatre work. Jim Younger was one of the founders of our original Walthamstow club but not as frequent a visitor now as we'd like but always welcome. Off topic but I'd recommend his first novel "High John The Conqueror". |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: dombonito Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:13 AM I too was a resident at the Potters Bar folk club (Pre Enterprise) in partnership with a guy named Frank Beer. We were also residents at the Peahen in St. Albans, where a young lady named Maddie Prior used to sing from the floor. Whatever happened to her? (Just kidding. I'm not that senile. Yet.) Does anyone remember the King and Queen behind Goodge St. station on Monday evenings? Alex Campbell was the resident and all kinds of people used to drop in.(This club might have been mentioned already, but I can't be arsed to scroll through the whole thread) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:44 AM Are you the AngieB that I'm Facebook Friends with? If so, Hi! As you probably already know, Roger Nicholson is no longer with us - he passed away just before Christmas. I spoke to Kay on the phone not long afterwards, who's dividing her time between London and Co Clare, and sounds in good form. It was great to talk to her again and we have threatened each other with mutual visits. I remember the Sunday Irish sessions in The Favourite, plus a whole raft of others. We were spoiled for choice on Sundays ("...you don't know what you've got till it's gone...") and loved to go out playing, with a curry afterwards. Usual haunt was Biddy's in Kilburn. I know there was another thread about this awhile back, which I don't remember yielding any definite conclusion, but this seems an appropriate place to re-ask the question: Anybody know what became of Roger &/or Helen Holt? They were living in Hornsey* when I first met them, with Meic & Valmai as their downstairs neighbours. --- *I think it was Hornsey, or somewhere around there. The building was called Eagle Court. Why is it that I have perfect recall about insignificant details like that, and then can't remember where I put the car keys eight nanoseconds ago? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Kevin Sheils Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:44 AM Quick Check, Dom. shows that Diane mentioned the current Musical Traditions club which meets at the King and Queen but no one seems to have mentioned the old club as far as I can tell. Before my time of course! "When the Jester sang for the King and Queen in a coat he borrowed from James Dean......." |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:51 AM Sunny Goodge Street Donovan On the firefly platform on sunny Goodge Street Violent hash-smoker shook a chocolate machine Involved in an eating scene. Smashing into neon streets in their stonedness Smearing their eyes on the crazy cult goddess Listenin' to sounds of Mingus mellow fantastic. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh. In doll house rooms with coloured lights swingin' Strange music boxes sadly tinklin' Drink in the sun shining all around you. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh, mm mm. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh. The magician, he sparkles in satin and velvet, You gaze at his splendour with eyes you've not used yet. I tell you his name is Love, Love, Love. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh. "My, my" - sigh. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: The Borchester Echo Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:34 PM There was a nostalgia night at the K&Q about three years ago run by Martin Carthy and Pete Stanley to commemorate the time Martin got Bob Dylan to sing from the floor when he was here for Nightmare On Castle Street. For some reason I got an invite (or at least I didn't have to pay to get in) which was quite strange as I too am far too young ever to have been there . . . |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: The Borchester Echo Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:55 PM . . . but I don't think anybody had mentioned the Knave Of Clubs off Bethnal Green Road, home of Combine, which began after the disintegration of the Critics in 1974, I think. Marvellous agitprop song and theatre reflecting what was happening politically in those tumultuous times. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: GUEST,BarryB. Date: 13 Feb 10 - 01:08 PM I remember you Dom, both at the Enterprise and the Robin Hood. the Robin Hood is no longer there (demolished many years ago). I seem to recall a club in Holborn, I think it was The Greyhound at the junction of Grays Inn Rd./High Holborn, I remember a night there with Cyril Tawney. I hada coffee in the Troubadour recently...seems to have had a serious makeover (gentrification!)...Presumably the old folk club downstairs is long gone? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 13 Feb 10 - 01:25 PM Bonnie - I bumped in to Roger Holt at Sidmouth, but probably more than 10 years ago now. As I recall, they'd moved to the West Country then. I've no more recent information though. Mick |
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