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Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s

GUEST,60s folkfan 11 Jun 12 - 09:18 PM
GUEST,DaveS 18 Jun 12 - 11:46 PM
GUEST,Jack&Margaret King 25 Dec 12 - 04:39 AM
GUEST 25 Dec 12 - 05:19 AM
John MacKenzie 25 Dec 12 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,Henry Piper 25 Dec 12 - 02:47 PM
GUEST 28 Dec 12 - 10:47 PM
GUEST,a 23 Mar 13 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,John Field 21 May 13 - 03:58 PM
GUEST 07 Jun 13 - 11:12 AM
GUEST,Richard Thomas 14 Oct 13 - 06:27 AM
Sue Allan 29 Oct 13 - 05:47 PM
GUEST,Barry 30 Jan 14 - 04:34 PM
GUEST,Mike Aston 26 Feb 14 - 10:53 AM
GUEST,Chris Evans 19 Aug 14 - 10:03 AM
GUEST 26 Mar 15 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,tony Hillyard 14 Sep 15 - 09:08 PM
GUEST,Rory Potter 15 Sep 15 - 03:57 AM
GUEST,John Riddle 28 Sep 15 - 11:19 PM
GUEST,jack&margaret king 25 Dec 15 - 04:58 AM
The Sandman 25 Dec 15 - 08:30 AM
GUEST,jack king 28 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,60s folkfan
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 09:18 PM

Have just read through some of the more recent contributions and saw Radio Dave's note about the origins of the Phoebus Awakes folk club in Catford. I thought that the Phoebus Awakes was started and run by Dave Cooper (Radio Dave?), Eddie Dunmore, Martin Hazel and Dave and Toni Arthur, with a resident group, The Coven Band? And only later run by Dave Cooper.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,DaveS
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:46 PM

I came across this thread when looking back on my past via the internet. I left school in 1973. We weren't the biggest club but I think we made a contribution that entitles expectation that some of the memories in this thread are a little less affected by the 40 intervening years. Brief Historical Note - I used to act as doorman and treasurer of The Melting Pot Folk Club in Streatham. The resident singers who did the first session were Bob&Ros Allen who were supported by a range of fairly regular floor singers (DaveHarbord, IreneLucas & DaveMarshall). The second session was the main actof the night. We started at The Manor Arms (Mitcham Lane) moving to The Hanover Arms (Kennington) then to The White Lion (Streatham High Road). The club was advertised by the Streatham Young Communist League via local press and flyposters. Many of the acts mentioned in this thread played there and I remember many of them - great days indeed - even for someone as tone deaf as me with a voice like a foghorn!


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Jack&Margaret King
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 04:39 AM

Seasons greetings from Suffolk to all old folkies everywhere,a joyous Xmas & aHappy Healthy Peaceful & Prosperous New Year


               Jack&Margaret


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 05:19 AM

Thanks Jack and Margaret, and the same to both of you. What is it about Suffolk and old folkies, Don Shepherd is there too? It's almost as bad as the West Country ;)


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 09:44 AM

Sorry, that guest was me. Cookie tossed unobserved.

John


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Henry Piper
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:47 PM

Hello, only just read this thread, its amazing thats its been going on for so many years and still throwing up old memories
My first Folk Club experience was the Pheobus Awakes at Catford during the late sixties and onwards.
I was persuaded to go by The late Jacqui Walker as she was at that time, and her then husband,Barry.
At the time I was playing in a Rock Band with Jacquis Brother Rob, and she persuaded us to go along and broaden our musical horizons ! and eventually Rob and I did the occasional floor spot,with me playing some very bad banjo, and later under the influence of the Bushwackers and Bullockies band from Oz, I took up the lagerphone! I beleive I was one of the first "Natives" to take up the Instrument !!! and went on to sit in with the Crayfolk, Pete "Slats" Hicks, John Barker, and I beleive Pete Chopping,Whenever They played at the Club
I also remenber Barry and Jacqui's Mate Dave Wiltshire the singing undertaker, and an excellent Ragtime guitarist Bob Axford I wonder what happened to those two ??
Barry and Jacqui were on very good terms with Dave and Toni Arthour, who lived nearby, ( I seem to remember Toni was working at Lewisham Hospital at the time ) and remember going to somew really wonderful parties in a house or flat in Brandram Rd, -.-.not sure wether that was The Arthours or Jacquis though, the memory is not what it was. !!
they were wonderful times, and I have been involved in Folk Activities ever since,   Morris Dancing, Playing Melodeon in several Country Dance bands, and now latterly Running the Sidmouth Traditional Mummers as I have for some years Lived In Ottery St Mary Devon, In fact it was Jacqui and Barry persuading me to visit the Sidmouth Folk Festival in 1968, that ultimately led me to move to Devon.
its been a wonderful experience hearing the anecdotes and reminiscences from so many people many of whom I actually Knew, I hope they will keep coming!!.

Cheers, Henry Piper, Known in the 60's as "Pip"!


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:47 PM

I used to frequent Ben Schneider's Falafel house 1964-65. Great place! Shlomo Carlebach appeared there in that time.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,a
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:16 PM

It was at the Duke's Head at the crossroads at the end of the town. John Renbourn was resident in the mid 60s and then the Strawberry Hill Boys, before they were the Strawbs. I saw Jesse Fuller,. Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee, Sandy Denny with Johnny Silvo, Diz Dizley, Noel Murphy, Gordon Giltrap, Tim Hart and Maddy Prior..I remember the landlord was a jazz bass player as well. I went away to university and came back in the early 70s and it was all quiet and we had a singers' club with donations ..I played in the house band with a couple who I'm ashamed to say I can't remember their names..


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,John Field
Date: 21 May 13 - 03:58 PM

I've just seen the references to the late Jim Woodley and I'd like to add some more recollections. I met Jim at the Folk Cellar in Cecil Sharp House circa the autumn of 1963 and together with his mandolin-playing pal, Brian Oliver (Ollie) we decided to form a trio with self on banjo. We came up with the name , the "Country Ramblers". I believe I was the first of several banjo players that Jim and Brian had over the next few years. I recall many rehearsals at Jim's house in Southgate on Sunday afternoons,(I still have some tapes of these...), and we would sometimes go to the Enterprise Folk Club in Chalk Farm to do a floor spot, as well as tackling a fair few bookings on the London Folk Scene in 63/64. Jim was the nicest guy you could wish to meet and in later years, as well as continuing with his music, developed a phenomenal talent for flat figure painting.   I lost touch with him for many years, but fortunately got in contact again and visited him around 2004.   I was very sorry indeed to learn of his passing.   RIP Jim....


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 13 - 11:12 AM

Reading about the NW3 group (Dom Bonito) it minds me to say that all members of The Folklanders (60s/70s Robin Hood, Potters Bar / St Albans Folk Clubs) are still steaming up mirrors - that's Ann & Dave Smith, Dave Hall, Ken Littlechild, Barry Beattie and Mike Aston.

folklanders@kcited.demon.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Richard Thomas
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 06:27 AM

I was searching for Joe Palmer (of 'The Peelers') to see if I could find an email contact for him and came across this forum. What a wonderful collection of memories. I, with several friends, used to go to the Peelers club at the Kings Store, Widegate Street, London. The original Peelers were the residents then (Joe, Terry, Chris and John). We had a whale of a time there and were inspired to go on to start our own folk club in Bishop's Stortford ('69-'75). The Peelers (Mk2 - Joe, Tom & Jim) were guests several times for us there. After all these years I am still playing and signing (but mostly to myself now!). So, Joe, if you read this - hello and best wishes to you. Richard


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Sue Allan
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 05:47 PM

OMG just stumbled on this old thread and it brought back a heap of memories from my college days at Trent Park in early 1970s. Did floor spots at the Hop Poles in Enfield, King's Head Islington, Springfield in Bounds Green and the Leyton club (remember Dympna and Paul Havel). Also had brilliant nights at Putney Bridge ceilidhs and Dingle's at the Roebuck: first saw Taffy Thomas there with Magic Lantern. Also got to know some of Hammersmith Morris, most of whom seemed to be called John or Dave so had assorted nicknames including Buttercup, Daisy, John K and John the Spy (from Wales I think). I seem to think Buttercup,mentioned above, went on to found Bollin Morris in Cheshire some years later.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 30 Jan 14 - 04:34 PM

It was the Dukes Head in Addlestone a hall at the back of the pub.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Mike Aston
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 10:53 AM

Lots of blasts from the past! My patch in particular was the Potters Bar Folk Club mainly at the Robin Hood pub and the St Albans Folk Club at the Peahen. The Folklanders were resident at both and played at many others including the Howff in Edinburgh, Samson & Barlows in Liverpool, Troubadour in London. Have a two-volume scrapbook with lots of images, programmes, MM ads etc. + recordings on tape and even vinyl!   mike@kcited.demon.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Chris Evans
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 10:03 AM

Just a few days ago, I found an American site called collectors frenzy. There was a poster listed for sale that I had created in 1967,for the club I ran in London at the Greyhound Fulham Palace Road. It was for the two weeks leading up to the Christmas break, the first guest being Derek
Brimstone and the second (Christmas party night) with the Noel Murphy and the Strawbs. Had forgotten the poster had existed and more importantly it reminded me that the club had been named 'The Doghouse'.
Maybe someone out there attended on one of those nights and can share a distant memory. Oh! and a frequent guest was a young John Kirkpatric, who brought along Hammersmith Morris for one night of joyous dance and song.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 07:25 PM

It was the Duke's Head


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,tony Hillyard
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 09:08 PM

Does anyone remember the Bromley Folk Club from the 70's? my memory is very blurred now but Jan Henn and Ralph? Henning were regulars. A very sociable club which got me into performing 'solo'. I'm pretty sure it ran on Sunday nights. Any details would be gratefully received.
Thanks
Tony


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Rory Potter
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 03:57 AM

There was a club called The Horseshoe Wharf at Blackfriars in the mid 60's run by Shirley Collins and Tony McCarthy on Saturdays from my recollection.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,John Riddle
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 11:19 PM

I went to peanuts probably 69/70 remeber nick harrison as the host my girlfriend at the time brother played a gig there . went every sat night for a couple of years candles on the tables you could get a burger downstairs cooked in a microwave i think.Saw hamish imlach at the london docks that year too he sung black is the colour loved that song eversince


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,jack&margaret king
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 04:58 AM

Seasons greetings from Selig Suffolk to all old folkies everywhere We are still alive and kicking though perhaps not as high as we used to. A very merry merry Xmas and a happy healthy peaceful & prosperous New Year toall who remember us


                  Jack & Margaret King


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 08:30 AM

I do remember the club in Bromley, it was called Bromley trad singers club, it was strictly unaccompanied, it was run by Eddie and Jackie Dunmore, a ginger haired bus driver and a another fellow from Ravensbourne Morris side, who was the treasurer, and Jim Bassett
Guests i remember were Isobel Sutherland ,Roy Harris,JohnConnolly.
I Think it was held in the pub then known as the star and garter, towars the north end of the high street not far from a cinema years before there had been another club at the three compasses
Ralph Henning was until very recently involved with friday folk in orpington


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,jack king
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

many years ago when the world was young Margaret & I ran the Cellar at Cecil sharp House and among the audience was a young singer/song writer named Bob Lockyer. One of his songs concerned a london transport conductor titled Tha Bold Recruit . This song eh kindly let me use and it has stayed in my repertoire for about 50 years .Although it is many years since Margaret & I sang in public qccaisionally at dinner parties & other get rtogethers We are asked to "give us a song " margaret cant sing anymore and I usually oblige with "The Bold recruit" so if Bob your still around Many thanks mate       Jack King


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 03:13 PM

Good man Jack. I remember you and Margaret well. Best wishes to you both.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 07:00 AM

This thread is quite some tour of the greater London folk scene back in the 60's, 70's. I see a couple of mentions of Derek Sarjeant but no mention of the Surbiton Assembly rooms where he ran a folk club for many years, where I first saw Ralph Mctell in the late 60's(I think)


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 14 Apr 16 - 05:20 AM

Dead right about Surbiton & Derek (&Hazel?) Sergeant- not sure how it compares by age with the Topic, Swindon, Newcastle etc, but it was well established when I first went in October 1963.
It was there where I heard about a concert at Cecil Sharp House in November 1963 with the Spinners, Julie Felix, Nadia Cattouse among others. I went back to college that night oblivious to my surroundings and woke to the news of events in Dallas the previous night......


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 07:24 PM

trying to find out some info about The Witches Couldron Belsize Park 1960's anyone have any memories to share - I used to go there on afternoons when I skipped school -


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 02:37 PM

Derek is still around at 86, unfortunatel Hazel died from cancer some 10 years ago, or thereabouts. Probably more, my perception of time is crap. I was a regular at Surbiton Assembly Rooms, in the 70's and 80's. Along with many others, including my old mate, the estimable Hector Gilchrist. They were happy days indeed, and I saw many many great acts there.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Splott Man
Date: 14 Jun 16 - 02:39 AM

I was an occasional regular at the Assembly Rooms too, while a student at Epsom and still living at home in Dorking.
It was my introduction to Sonny Terry & Brownie McGee, Ian Campbell Folk Group (with Swarb & Peggy) and many more.

Splott Man


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Roger Fleming
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 06:12 AM

I was going to ask if anyone remembered Paul Simon dropping in to the Enterprise and asking for a booking. He used to live in Camden Town with his girlfriend Cathy who he brought to the club with him. He wrote a song "Cathy's Song" which was on his first record.
I bought an EP from him which he sold from his guitar case.
He was booked, I believe,for £10. He didn't go down so well when he turned up with Art Garfunkel [too commercial sounding!}
Does anyone remember Mike Robinson who sang at the Folk cellar but he also played a set of Northumbrian small pipes. He tried to start a workshop on shoe pipes at CSH but they were too expensive to buy no one could afford them so the workshop folded up!


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Roger Fleming
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:59 PM

Hi Diane,
do you remember when you lived in a greenhouse in somebody's back garden?


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 06:15 PM

Roger Fleming - if your last post was directed at the Borchester Echo, I regret to inform you that Diane passed away in May 2013. There was an
obit link on Mudcat at the time.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Roger Fleming
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 04:06 AM

For Jack King.
Hello Jack,
I know you and Margaret live in Hadleigh.
Are you aware there's a Folk Club in Hadleigh which takes place on the first Friday of the month and is run by a chap called Simon Haines.
He said he was around at CSH during the folk revival in the 70's and 80's as we were!
you can look it up on their website by googling Hadleigh Folk club.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Gwen Nelson
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:54 PM

Roger Fleming Ican remember Paul Simon doing a gig at Les Cousins about 1964/5. I was going out with Davy Burke who was one of The Tinkers before Mo Kennedy-Martin joined them. After the session was over we all went for a meal at a Chinese restaurant. Paul was very polite, pulled chairs out for the females to sit down and very quiet and shy. He was under the wing of a woman by the name of Judith who was an "angel" for aspiring, young, male folk singers.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:09 PM

I dont remember Simon Haines as a performer in the london clubs in the 70s,I seem to remember him performing in the late 80s in Essex, however I am sure he was around, I find it sad that so many people on this thread have now died.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Peter Green
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:05 AM

Good to see Jack and Margaret King still remembered. Great late nights in Isles of Scilly and Jack of all Trades sessions around the city


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:38 PM

Are there any folk clubs from the 1960's or 1970's (besides the Cabbage Patch in Twickenham) that are located in London (not outside London)that are still around under the same exact name and at the exact location and still run as a folk club?

If anyone knows of such clubs that have not changed names or locations (in London, England only) please post. Also, still folk (and not changed to other music genres.)
If you know when this club opened please mention that too.
Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Jack Warshaw
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 08:32 PM

The Singers Club's reputation was supported by a programme of fine guest singers, both "interpreters" and true traditional ones from around Britain and Ireand, America and occasionally France and Italy. Ravi Shankar came once, and singers from India, like the wonderful Kali Das Gupta from Kolkata. The club's official sponsor was the London Cooperative Society. There was a committee, which held formal meetings with minutes. In reality much of the day to day organising work was done by Peggy.

Many of these sessions were hosted by club "residents," drawn from the performing members of the Critics Group when Ewan and Peggy and Bert Lloyd were on tour, or otherwise occupied. They included John Faulkner, Sandra Kerr, Frankie Armstrong, Denis Turner, Terry Yarnell, Brian Pearson, Jim O'Connor, Buff Rosenthal and me. Sometimes these residents took on the whole evening, on themes such as industrial ballads,or political issues.   The format was always the same: 1st half performers, introduced by the compere for the evening; floor singers, 15 minute break to refill glasses (there was never a bar in any of the SC pub rooms), then the 2nd half performance.

After the CG broke up, following the last Festival of Fools production, several of its principal singers and actors formed "Combine," which ran a club at the Knave of Clubs in Bethnal Green, still continuing their roles at the SC, while avoiding direct contact with MacColl and Seeger. A third club was started by singers who lived in Southwest London, at the Golden Lion, Fulham, near Putney Bridge. Many a night was spent flyposting for our guest nights.

These were of course weekly clubs, and there was much work in running and performing in them. But it paid in experience and building repertoires. Combine in particular put on themed, scripted shows and feature spots such as Pig of the Week in which some (usually Tory) lackey would be pilloried or lampooned. These efforts culminated in the inspiring Vietnam Victory Show of April 1975.

These clubs carried on somehow through the decline of the 70s and 80s into the early 90s, by which time, geographical distance, growing families, falling audiences, political stagnation and other commitments were taking their inevitable toll. That several CG graduates never gave up and made a place for themselves in the folk and theatre worlds is a tribute to the strength of their early work and training.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:21 PM

Jack, wasn't Dick Snell involved in CG at some point?


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 01:09 PM

The singers club,not for me, any club that has a policy which effectively stops an english person from singing a Woody Guthrie song, a ridiculous policy, which allows Peggy and TomPaley to sing appalachian songs when they are not from appalachia yet prevents an english person singing appalachian songs is eccentric and ridiculous.
imo full of earnest self important egotistical people who undoubtedly were good performers, but lacked any kind of CRAIC.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 09:02 AM

Lord save us from egotistical self opinionated folkies.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 03:07 PM

"Lord save us from egotistical self opinionated folkies."
Drink to that any day Jack - I think Dick a was there once and he wasn't booked - hence the bile
He's always at his best when attacking dead people and other people's clubs
Dick Snell was a sometime resident - a good singer and an excellent songwriter
Jack's description of the London scene is spot on, though he omitted 'The Railway' in Stratford East, where I seem to remember he was a resident
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 08:37 PM

The thing is Jim. Dick's very good - you don't get to be that good without putting in a lot of hours work and practice, and that deserves some respect.

It doesn't mean the club owes you a gig, but on the other hand - a little respect for honest and earnest artistic endeavour, and in this case, considerable talent costs nowt.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 09:40 AM

Wasn't commenting on Dick's 'talent' Al (I have my own take on that), just his tendency to demean the work of others
However talented someone may be, they have no right to do that in the way he chooses to
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 12:51 PM

To work hard is a talent - you don't play Dallas Rag on a concertina without a lot of hard work. That is entitled to the word talent without the inverted commas.

I presume it something to do with Ewan

He was a great and wonderful man. I can think of few people who would deny that. His achievements are staggering in scale and I never found him anything but pleasant and friendly.

However it must be said, I've bumped into a fair few number of people in my perambulations over the last fifty years who are more qualified in their approval. I have in mind one particular octogenarian folksinger who muttered after my ringing endorsement of MacColl, ah weel ye must speak as ye find, I suppose...and this guy certainly had more dealings with Ewan than I did.

I have this same argument with my sister about my parents. You can love and revere their memory, but they had human faults. They were human.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Gordon Jackson
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 11:10 AM

Like Flush et al in 2010, I went to the Tramshed in Woolwich in the 70s. I remember it as a rather Bohemian place where you could just walk in off the street on a weekday afternoon, grab a pint and listen to some rock or blues band rehearsing. All very relaxed, friendly, dark and dusty.

I also attended some memorable gigs there: Dave Swarbrick (I diddled with him in his dressing room), Paul Brady (my mate and I wouldn't let him go - we kept clapping, shouting and stamping for more, and he did three or four encores), Rory Gallagher (one of the best gigs of my life) and ... Splodgenessabounds (the most disgusting gig I've yet been to).

Ah, those were the days ...


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 12:55 PM

Drink to that any day Jack - I think Dick a was there once and he wasn't booked - hence the bile"
incorrect.
incorrect again
"He's always at his best when attacking dead people and other people's clubs" I have always stated what a good songwriter Ewan was, I have always stated how professional a performer he was, what i was saying was that i had no desire to go to the singers club.
"Wasn't commenting on Dick's 'talent' Al (I have my own take on that), just his tendency to demean the work of others
However talented someone may be, they have no right to do that in the way he chooses to"
Jim Carroll.
incorrect again,I have never demeaned the work of MacOLL, I HAVE CONSISTENTLY PRAISED HIS SONG WRITING IN FACT I THINK HE WAS THE GREATEST SONGWRITER OF THE 20TH CENTURY


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Geoff Leonard
Date: 30 Jan 19 - 06:52 PM

In 1972, John Barry was in a Chelsea area folk club and saw and heard a couple performing there. He promptly engaged Ros & John to sing "Follow Follow", the main theme for the film he was then scoring, Follow Me, starring Michael Jayston, Mia Farrow & Topol.

This is a bit of a long-shot, I realise, but does "Ros & John" ring a bell with anybody? Maybe even Roz & Jon? I'd love to know more about them, if so, where they sang, etc..


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 09:12 AM

I used to visit London clubs in the mid 60s, but when Reg Hall told me about the Irish music in Fulham, Holloway etc, I was more inclined to go there.
Having visited Surbiton and then the Fox at Islington & been fairly repelled by what went on at the Singers' club, I became involved in my college folk club at St Mary's College, Twickenham- a male only college, surrounded by female colleges, life was sweet.
Can't recall much about it, although I do remember visits from Julie Felix, Jo-Ann Kelly, Johnny Handle (my doing!), Sean McCarthy (of 'Red-Haired Mary' fame'), Shirley Collins, a fascinating talk by Peter Kennedy, the Strawberry Hill Boys (to become the Strawbs) Dave & Toni Arthur and Sydney Carter. Also a fine box B/C player from Longford, one Paddy Carrigys & John Faulkner & Terry Yarnell from the singers club- yes we were a catholic crowd in all senses!!
Paul Simon was a regular visitor, and when I left, the club was taken over by one Roger Sutcliffe (well known Bradford blues man nowadays) - not sure if the club still carries on?


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 10:16 AM

I didn't know you were a Simms man Jim, was Father Cashin in charge when you went there? I used to go to that folk club too. Roger of course is still around, I met up with him at Whitby a few times.


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Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 10:25 AM

Roger played at the Topic Folk Club just recently, although he no longer lives in Bradford.

Dave H


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