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Subject: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 02:09 PM

So what do you think about contact pickups? In local stores I've seen the John Pearse and Woodpicker models; does anyone have any opinions of these brands or of contact pickups in general?

I don't perform much (though I hope to, down the road), but there have been enough times that I've wished I had a pickup that I've been shopping around.

I'm considering going the contact route because they're so much cheaper than other kinds of pickups, and because I could use the same pickup for both fiddle and guitar (um.. I could, couldn't I?).

In looking through the pickup threads here, I haven't found much mention of them though. Seems like a bad sign.

Thanks, Marion

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 02:19 PM

Hi Marion.....Cute title!!!

Our member, Blue Jay, is working with his adult type kids who have developed an interesting pick-up that seems to be getting great reviews and is selling well at Elderly. The company is called "Pick Up The World".....cute name too. Anyway, you might try a PM to him and asked about their units....might fit the bill for you. They have a website HERE that you might want to look at and it has contact info.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: UB Ed
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 02:25 PM

Did you see this old thread? I put some additional links at the bottom.

Click here

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 03:14 PM

Advantages: (1) They can give you a very natural sound if positioned well; more natural, often, than either under-saddle piezo pickups or magnetic pickups. (2) They can be combined with other contact pickups and/or other types of pickups, to blend different tonal characteristics for a more natural "whole instrument" sound.

Disadvantages: (1) You need a preamp, which generally is not intrinsic to the unit; it has to be purchased separately, either for installation in the instrument (usually at the jack), or outboard. (2) They are very sensitive to position; move one a half-inch over and you might dramatically affect the tone. (3) They are prone to feedback in high-volume situations, which effectively makes them unworkable for me. (4) They pick up any sound from the body -- not only musical tones, but also incidental finger taps on the body, the sound of sleeves brushing across the face of the instrument, etc. -- which can be pretty distracting.

Definitely one of the options, and some of the new ones (like Pick Up The World) are getting pretty positive reviews. Good luck in your search.

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Grab
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 04:44 PM

WS, to that you can add:-

(5) They need to be attached somewhere. For permanent additions to your guitar (glued in place) you'd better be pretty damn sure you've got it where you want it. Non-permanent additions use blue-tack or similar to attach them, and therefore may (a) leave grease spots on the finish, or (b) remove the finish altogether if it's cheap.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 04:50 PM

Marion, that's no BS!



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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 05:51 PM

For fixing, try sticky backed velcro. Manitas has several unobtrusive sticky backed velcro strips attached to various melodeons, flutes and whistles. The corresponding bit of velcro is stuck on the back of a swan neck mike (bit like a throat mike, but more slender and bendy). The mike is light enough to stick with the velcro as long as the lead doesn't get caught. Otherwise, get a strip of velcro and use it as you would a luggage strap or capo. Stick one bit to the mike and leave a nice long end to wrap around what ever bit of the instrument required.

The only problem seems to be that the sticky wears off if you spill beer over the mike or instrument.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 12 Jul 01 - 07:38 PM

If that happened, I wouldn't think the loss of adhesive would be your major concern...

(who was all ready to weigh into this thread with a "why the hell should we?" -- nice touch, Marion!)

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 12:54 AM

Great title Marion!! I just get called a wiseass for doing them.....but they DO get more folks in.

A contact pickup in the EXACT RIGHT SPOT can be as good as a pickup costing ten times as much. Take a lotta time positioning it. The "Oyster Pickup" by Shaller is a great little unit.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 09:42 AM

Thanks for the responses. Yes Mark, I was trying to draw in people who like to argue or observe other people arguing - that seems to include most people.

UB Ed, I did wade through all the threads you linked, and found brief references to Art Thieme using a "Helpinstill" and Songster Bob (I think it was) using a "Woodpicker". It seems that they're not very popular around here.

Are transducer and contact synonyms?

Spaw, I've looked over the PUTW website a few times and am still confused as to how they basically work. The thin rectangular shape suggested to me that they are a variety of under-the-saddle pickup - but it seems that you can also tape and untape them to the top if you want to? Or is that even the standard way to use them? Would you call PUTW a contact pickup? I tried reading their preamps page and didn't understand a frigging word.

What's a preamp? Will it fit into my case's compartment? Do you have to be smart to use one?

WS, Grab, and Rick: when you talk about finding the perfect place to stick the thing on, is this a one time experiment, or does it take a lot of time and trial and error every time you put it on? I'm wondering if it would be feasible to switch the pickup from guitar to fiddle and back again in the middle of a show while casually discussing my navel. Or do people even shift around the pickup on a guitar between songs to make different songs bassier or treblier?

Use small words, I've spent most of my life trying not to think about this kind of thing...

Thanks, Marion

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Grab
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 12:12 PM

I've got a reasonable piezo pickup which I use for classical guitar and violin, which I affix with blue-tack. For contact pickups, they need to be in good physical contact with the wood or have something transmitting the sound through. Blue-tack is (according to a friend who does mobile phone audio stuff) actually one of the best sound-transmitting materials out there, so it's ideal. I don't know how well velcro would work - the pickup wouldn't be in contact with the wood so I don't know how well the sound would come through.

Contact pickups ("transducer" merely means something that picks up a signal) have to be in physical contact with the top of the instrument. Vibrations in the top of the instrument project the sound to the audience, and it's these vibrations in the wood that the pickup picks up, The pickup can therefore either be mounted internally or externally depending on whether you want it visible or removable, since the wood vibrates on both sides.

The pickup only produces quite a small voltage though (compared to magnetic pickups which are pretty meaty things). Compared to this small voltage, background noise in the cables becomes quite significant, so it's common to have a preamp at the guitar end (either in the guitar itself or hung on your belt) which boosts the signal, so that the noise is no longer so noticeable.

You can move the pickup around to find what sounds right, but once you know where to put it, fine adjustment isn't really an issue - the grease-spot left from the last time will show you where to put it. As for finding the right place, experiment with the entire top surface of the instrument. It's nearly always the most inconvenient place that sounds best, but that's life! My classical sounds best with the pickup on the bridge on the bass side, which is entirely the wrong side from what the instructions say, but it works!


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 12:21 PM

If you spill beer on your instrument, you can mop it up with a small sponge and squeeze it back into the glass. JohnB

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 01:11 PM

Marion, I'll try to answer most of your questions. Once you have found the optimal spot to mount the contact pickup, you'll want to be able to return to that spot, without getting back into the trial-and-error process that allowed you to find it in the first place. Perhaps Graham's "grease spot" method would allow you to do this in performance, but I can't say for sure. It does occur to me that it would be awkward moving the pickup from one instrument to the other in mid-set, while trying to keep the audience's attention on you rather than on your equipment. It would also be noisy, unless you muted that channel (turned it off) before making the switch. You also might run into sound issues, since the way you EQ the pickup (gain, treble/mid/bass, etc.) for the fiddle might not work well for the guitar. I won't say that all this makes it impossible, but it sounds problematic to me.

I think it is unlikely that many people move contact pickups around to adjust the tone of their guitar for different songs. The best approach, in my opinion, is to find a location that gives you good balance across the tonal spectrum -- that gives the right tone characteristics and doesn't over-emphasize or under-emphasize particular notes -- then mount it securely in that spot and leave it alone. You will also want to make sure that the cord from the pickup is tucked away somehow so that it doesn't rub or bang against the instrument while you play -- remember, these things pick up ALL the vibrations from the body, without distinguishing between good and bad/planned and unplanned noises.

The PUTW is a contact pickup, not an under-saddle pickup. It is designed to mount on the soundboard (face) of the instrument, either inside the body or outside. Generally I think people mount them on or near the bridge plate, which is the wooden reinforcing plate on the inside of the instrument directly under the bridge. I have not tried a PUTW yet myself, so I don't speak from personal experience. But again, I hear good things about them.

If your desire to get by with only one pickup is based solely on financial considerations, I guess I'd recommend eating macaroni and cheese for a few weeks to save up the extra money to buy dedicated pickups (contact or otherwise) for both instruments. You may well be able to get by with the same preamp for both, with an A/B footswitch that allows you to switch from one to the other with a tap of the toe (yeah, the A/B box will cost you a few dollars more -- maybe $25.00 US). I hate to counsel you to spend more if money's tight, but I think you'll be happier in the long run. Good luck.

[As an aside, I didn't exactly follow the reference to velcro in one of the postings above, but my guess is that the velcro strap mentioned is intended to go over the top of the pickup to hold it down, not between the pickup and the instrument. Putting it between them wouldn't work at all, because, as Graham mentions, you would not have the close contact necessary to transfer vibrations from the instrument directly to the pickup.]

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: UB Ed
Date: 13 Jul 01 - 02:12 PM

Marion, I think Grab answered about the transducer...

If $ is an issue, may want to consider a single SM 57 microphone for each instrument, mounted on a boom. Go low for the guitar and high for the fiddle. (Spaw oughta like that!)

Some folks believe that is the best way to get the "true" sound of your instrument.

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: BlueJay
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 06:56 AM

Marion- A pre-amp is needed to boost the signal from passive pickups to the amplifier. Without a pre-amp, the volume isn't adequate for performing. This is true for under the saddle, and the various contact type pickups, regardless of the brand. This is why some companies have put holes in the sides of their guitars, putting in a panel to control the preamp, often with EQ to vary the output of the pickup.

Other companies, including PUTW, make external pre-amps, which offer the flexibility of being able to be used on more than one instrument as opposed to the ones internally installed in guitars. Features and cost vary widely from small boxes which will fit in your case, to rack mount units costing big bucks.

But in any case, pickups like PUTW, I-Beam, and all the various under the saddle pickups require a preamp. No getting around it unless your amplifier has a pre-amp stage built in. For your situation, an external pre-amp is the way to go. One pre-amp for multiple instruments. The PUTW Line Driver is small, offers a ton of clean gain, with an on/off/volume switch, and will fit in your guitar case, possibly even your violin case. The Baggs Para Acoustic DI, (PADI), is very popular, offers more controls and is a very fine unit, with about the same gain as the PUTW pre-amps. It is larger, and costs a bit more, and may or may not fit into your guitar case. Probably not. But if you don't mind carrying it, the PADI is a very good pre-amp, and is readily available in many music stores.

Hope this helps. Compare costs and features, and what fits with what you want. Feel free to PM me with any questions. Thanks, BlueJay

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 16 Jul 01 - 12:40 AM

Thanks for the further information gentlemen!

Still trying to get some of this vocabulary sorted out:

Are "piezo" and "under-saddle" synonyms?

Are "magnetic" and "sound-hole" synonyms?

To "EQ" means to play with the treble/bass knobs, right? Are "gain" and "volume" synonyms?

And still trying to figure out what a preamp does, or more to the point, what I'm supposed to do with a preamp:

The panel in the sides of guitars that come new with pickups, that panel is a preamp - or controls a preamp hidden behind it? When people get pickups installed into guitars not built with one, do they also get a preamp installed, and some way to play with volume/bass/treble knobs? For an external preamp (and I'm picturing a little box kind of like a convertor that you connect up somewhere in the middle of the line from pickup to real amp), do you have the ability to control volume and bass/treble balance there within reach?

As for the PUTW preamp page, I saw something called a line driver, something called a power plug, and something called an EMG - are these all different kinds of preamps? If so, what's the difference between them?

What's an A/B footswitch? What would I be switching to and from? Is this something you only need in the middle of a song - couldn't you take an external preamp off one instrument and put in on another between songs?

Let's say that I decided to get a PUTW pickup that was just for the guitar - how would I decide whether to put it inside or outside? If inside, is that something I can do at home, or would I have to take it in to a pro? If inside, do you then have a wire coming up out of the soundhole - or does it go out the end like preinstalled pickups (I guess in that case you'd have to take it to the shop to get a hole put in the end)? And if there's a delicate process of trial and error necessary in order to find the ideal spot to put a contact pickup - how would this be done with an internal installation? I mean, you couldn't stick it on and see how it sounds if you've got the top of the guitar off, right? Or is the ideal place on top on the front of the top going to be the same ideal place on the back of the top?

OK, those are all the questions I can think of this round! Thanks for your patience and explanations. I find the other threads, and sites selling the gear, to be very difficult to follow without any basic understanding of what's being talked about.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Jul 01 - 09:34 AM

You're asking all the right quexstions, Marion. I'll take a stab at answering them. It occurs to me that we could use a primer on this topic -- don't know if anyone is aware of one, but I'm hoping someone chimes in with a good web site address.

"Piezoelectric" pickups (often called "piezo" for short) are pickups that utilize crystals that transform vibrations into electrical impulses ("piezo" is from the root word for "stone"). It is not synonymous with under-saddle, since many contact (stick-on) pickups also utilize piezoelectric elements. Many people use the terms kind of casually, however. Most under-saddle pickups use some variation on piezoelectric technology, although those of more recent vintage tend to use polymers (plastics) in layers. I believe it was the Fishman company that pioneered the use of polymers in this manner.

"Magnetic" and "soundhole" pickups are generally synonymous -- the pickups that people put in the soundholes of their guitars are basically magnets that sense the vibrations of steel strings and convert them to electromaegnetic impulses. It's the same technology that has been in use on electric guitars since the 1920's or 30's, although it has been refined somewhat over the years. Until recently, most magnetic/soundhole pickups did not give a very realistic "acoustic" sound, but in the last ten years some better ones have been produced.

"EQ" is shorthand for equalization, and generally refers to tone adjustments (treble/midrange/bass). "Gain" is not exactly synonymous with "volume," becuase the two words refer to signal boosts at different points. Generall, a musical signal is put through a preamp and then a power amp. The preamp boossts the signal being sent to the power amp, and "gain" refers to how much of a boost is applied to the preamp signal. "Volume" controls typically change the amounbt of amplification that the power amp is applying. [These are rules of thumb; there are exceptions.]

Preamps for acoustic guitars generally (but not always) offer you some amount control over of EQ. they may be in the panel in the side of the guitar (either factory installed or after-the-fact), or in a small version inside the guitar, often on the inside of the output jack installed at the butt-end strap button. These "inside the guitar" preamps often will not give you any control over EQ, because there's no way to make the controls accessible. Preamps can also be "outboard" of the guitar, in a small box that fits in your guitar case, or in a larger box as mentioned previously. Obviously, if they're outboard, you can use them for more than one instrument. One way to do this is to use an A/B box, which is a simple device that allows you to select whether the signal from channel A (a guitar perhaps) of channel B (a fiddle, maybe) is routed to the preamp; you plug both in, and then opeprate a footswitch to select which one is operating.

EMG is a brand name, as are Fishman, Barcus Berry, Highlander, Pick Up The World, Sunrise, B-Band, L.R. Baggs, and others. A line driver is one name for a preamp, and apparently is the name that PUTW chooses to use. A Power Plug is a product name used by one of the companies (I forget which) to denote a preamp that is inside of the guitar and is turned on by inserting a cord into the ouput jack (at the butt-end strap button, generally).

You can put contact pickups on the inside of your guitar, or on the outside. To install a contact pickup, or really any type of internal pickup, on the inside, it is not necessary to take the top off the guitar. Typically the installer will remove the strings and reach inside the guitar (it helps to have reasonably skinny arms), sometimes with the help of a small mirror on a telescoping rod. One can do this, reattach the strings, try it out, and do it over if the results aren't satisfactory. People who work on instruments tend to have some experience with what kinds of placements work best, so it isn't entirely a trial-and-error process, but there's still likely to be some experimenting. The companies that make these pickups also generally have some recommendations. You can run the wire out the sound hole or have it wired to an endpin (strap button) jack, depending how permanent you want the installation to be.

Keep those questions coming! Regards, WS

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:59 PM

Thank you very much, Whistle Stop! I was actually considering writing a primer myself, once I feel I've got a grip on this - I'm inspired by Peter T, who researched mode theory with the help of Mudcatters then posted it here. Maybe I'll do the same.

Here is an amplification primer from, where I got my preliminary ideas about what the options are.


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: GUEST,Marion
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:30 PM

Not exactly about contact pickups, but a new Amplification 101 question:

Amps vs. speakers vs. monitors: what's the difference?

Thanks, Marion

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Mark Clark
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:50 PM

Marion, Simplistically, amps (amplifiers, not amperes) are electronic devices that process an input signal and pass it through to another device at a higher volume. The input may be from a microphone, instrument pickup, tape deck, etc.

A speaker (actually, loudspeaker) converts the electrical audio signal into sound vibrations in the air so they may be heard by listeners.

A monitor is usually a loudspeaker that points back at a performer instead of out toward the audience so the performer can hear what the audience hears and adjust the volume and balance between performers and instruments accordingly. Monitors may also be used inside a studio control room so the engineer can hear what is being recorded.

Hope this helps,

      - Mark

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 06:52 PM

Write that primer Marion - most stuff about technical things tends to be written by people who are really into that stuff, and can't understand how anyone can fail to pick it up in a hurry.

Even when books are published with titles like "Computers for people who haven't a clue" by the time you get to the second chapter, the readers are expected to be up and running techno-freaks.

I could just about understand the questions. I'm still working on Whistle Stop's answers, but I think I'd better lie down first.

I think the old army system of instruction has a lot to be said for it - say what you are goin to explain, then explain, then say what you have just explained.

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 04:46 PM

Thanks, Mark. So monitors and speakers aren't fundamentally different machines, it's just a question of where they're pointed, right?

Usually when people say "amp" they seem to be referring to something like this picture; a big box with a bunch of controls that you plug your guitar into with a patch cord and that the sound comes out of - so by your definition these machines are actually amplifier and loudspeaker in one, right?

McGrath: yeah, well, not any time soon.

Thanks, Marion

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 06:02 PM

Marion - I was a bit like you with this business. I have used nearly all of the items mentioned above at one time or another. What works for me is a piezo strip in my bridge slot. I couldn't tell you what brand it is other than it has lasted for at least 15 years (Hot Dot maybe?). It's my opinion that they are all nearly the same. They take vibrations from the top and turn them into electrical impulses. This makes for a quazi acoustic sound but not really. It's electrified guitar. I do use a microphone most of the time.

If you are going into serious music then get a microphone. It is the only way to get a very good replication of your guitar's sound. I'm going to make an exception for Bluejay's item as I haven't heard it in real life. The rest I have.

I use the piezo strip for when I am out with some friends playing for the Farmer's Insurance Co. dinner (more friends really) as they aren't real concerned with what I sound like - more of - "Can we dance to it and laugh with it?" If I am playing for those who are listening to my music - I use a microphone. It is important in that context to have a great replication of my guitar and the sound it is capable of producing. The mic also permits me to soften the instrument by moving it an inch or two in either direction or towards or back from it. But then I can stand perfectly still and maintain the distance fairly accurately. With the piezo you set the volume and live with it.

This is a great thread as I learned it the way you are - asking a bunch of questions from folks who know. And I made some mistakes along the way because I didn't believe them. Today you can walk into any music store and listen/play with a Seagull guitar that has a Baggs setup in it. You'll hear the difference immediately as you shift it from mic to piezo strip. And all the problems with both. Try them out before you buy or install them. They don't do returns on electronic equipment and moving them around or on and off an instrument is inviting disaster - just drop one and accidently step on it - They are not cheap.

You can get a good mic, boom stand, and cords for about $150 for a nice setup. They work everywhere and can double for vocals in a pinch. The piezo strips, or their variants, can be good also. Just get someone, a GOOD luthier, to install it. If you have a Buzz Feiten tuning system all of the above, with the exception of the microphone, will alter your tuning and needs to be done by whoever did the Feitenizing.

Well I've babbled enough for one day - keep asking questions and looking!!


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Homeless
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 06:13 PM

As I understand it, a monitor isn't a amplifier/speaker, per se, but how it is used.
I've a friend who plays for contra dances quite a bit. One of the bands he is in has taken to using ear plug monitors. They are basically a small speaker that fits inside your ear canal - simliar to those Walkman ones, but higher quality. He says they increase your ability to hear the band over the dancers tremendously. I believe, tho I may be wrong, that each monitor has an individaul volume slide on the cord so every person can adjust volume to their desired level. If you want to know more, I'll see if I can get in touch with him to find out.

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: 53
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 09:42 PM

That's why I bought my guitar with a pickup already installed.

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: GUEST,GrammarCops
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 06:08 AM

Whistle stop : ("piezo" is from the root word for "stone").
You must be thinking of petros

[From Greek piezein "to press." Ultimately from an Indo-European base meaning "to sit" that is also the ancestor of English sit and Sanskrit upaniad (see Upanishad ).]

The GrammarPolice

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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Marion
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 01:41 PM

In terms of a primer for figuring this stuff out:

I learned a lot from a book called "The acoustic musician's guide to sound reinforcement and live recording" by Mike Sokol. Now I too can use words like balanced, impedance, cardiod, and phantom power...


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Subject: RE: Let's keep some contact w/music please!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 09:42 AM

There's a guy over here who markets a range of Instrument microphones
under the name MICROVOX.They are small high quality microphones that
will velcro onto the Guitar/fiddle/mandolin or whatever,and can be easily swapped from one to another.and are not horrendously expensive
The microphone has a metre of thin cable to a preamp/gain control
which will clip onto a belt,with a quarter inch socket output to the
Mixer or main amplifier.I tried to find their web without success but
I know there is a website somewhere.It might be worth a look.

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