Posting people's IPs in the Forum

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 06:24 PM

Thanks McGrath. I am living with my parents in rural North Norfolk at the moment so any change would be their choice. Having said that, I think the "triple digital" deal would have been very attractive to them had it been available in this area.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:54 PM

Jon, I am lucky to live near several big ISPs with competition and decent phone service...I once got 53,666 out of my 56K modem!..(49k is more common)...

(Jeri...I couldn't even count individual fonts right now...many are still in zips and RARs...what I need to do is waste a few CDR disks and sort them out into categories that make sense to ME)

As to cable modems and DSL etc, I'm gonna wait till the big boys quit spending all their $$$ on advertising and get the service cleaned up!..Too many horror stories here right now!..(and till I HAVE a few more $$$)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:51 PM

This discussion has been informative for me. McGrath, I like the Newsgroup Personality song. Someone is really good at rhymes!

It seems to me that trolling is another form of seeking emotional turmoil for its own sake. Other forms are daytime talk shows (American style, such as Sally Jesse Raphael and Merv Griffins), tabloids, and violent movies.

I once picked up a psychology book which said that the trouble-making personality was in style for the 1990's. (I had never thought of personalities as something that came in styles, as if they were garments.) But I thought of people I had to work with who were that type and concluded that the book was right. After that, I made it a point not to get sucked in. And not to watch television.

Making music is so much better for us all.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:46 PM

They're coming to take me away, ha-ha
They're coming to take me away,
ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-ha
To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away!

To the happy home where basket weavers sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away!

Alex

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:34 PM

so I went it privacy.net, and ya know what... I saw NO information received from my computer that I gave a tinkers fart about... big deal... they know what browser I'm using, the know what resolution my screen is set at...

Are you really concerned?!?!?!

Paranoid is more like it... try chemical therapy...

:-)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:19 PM

Maybe one day I'll get up to cable but I think it will be a long while yet.

This might not be available in your area, Jon - but it might be worth checking with this ntl link - in particular their triple digital option, - "the triple digital base £20.99 offer... which includes either two phone lines or one line and a 64kbps broadband internet service together with free cable channels" and one phone line. Including free rental of a cable modem.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 04:28 PM

OK, so I cheated! Worth a try though.

Maybe one day I'll get up to cable but I think it will be a long while yet.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 04:08 PM

Yeah but he's the one doing all the serving, so I still win among the clients!!

A

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 03:11 PM

I agree with your points Jeri.
One thing though, even with a dynamic IP for dial up users, and even though it will change each time, there is still a specific block of IP's assigned within a given ISP...so it would still narrow the playing field.

I still believe this idea is worth a shot.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 03:05 PM

Newsgroup Personality I think this song by Tom Holt says all that needs to be said about this particular phenomenon. Brilliantly.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 01:47 PM

I have an ADSL Digimodem (3Com HomeConnect)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 10:45 AM

Well Amos, Max/Mudcat has a T1 so neener neener neener!

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,Fed up
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 10:44 AM

The purpose of Zone Alarm is for protecting your computer, and other computers your computer interacts with, from hackers.

It is not privacy software.

My suggestion to have a look at privacy.net, a useful (though by no means all encompassing) on-line consumer organization to educate Internet users, was to let people know they have a way of "testing" what sort of information about their computers is gathered when they visit a website.

All

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 10:23 AM

My modem is a Motorola Cable Modem, so neener neener!

A

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 09:55 AM

One thing Zone Alarm is good for is blocking privacy.net's attempts to contact your computer once you've logged into the page. I left the page and shortly thereafter got hit with 4 messages saying someone had tried accessing my computer. When I looked the IP addresses up, they were privacy.net. Anybody try entering their e-mail yet? Got spam?

Ralphie, Bill D has a slight font "problem." Go ahead - ask him how many he has!

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 09:43 AM

Well my modem is a V.92 so nah from me too! Not that it helps anything - the phone lines round here are awful - I rarely get a connection above 28K.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 09:09 AM

Ralphie...my current modem is INSIDE the PC...I'd much rather have it on the desk with little buttons flashing, but I'd have to dis-assemble thigs to show it off..*grin*...but it IS a Creative Modem Blaster V.90 D15660.(got a Yamaha CD-RW right near it, though!...I can archive thousands of fonts and programs, some of which I amy actually use some day)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 05:07 AM

Well said mate whoever, I think you speak for most of us. Im personally getting well P***ed of with this wittering fool.john

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,Slartibartfast
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 04:56 AM

After over a week of trying to engage with people here on the issue of Mudcat membership flaming, trolling, and other questionable behavior towards anonymous guests,...."

This is a music forum, Pal.

There's a lot of songs not being harvested off the threads and shit being talked by all and sundry, presumably because people's energies are being distracted by wankers like you.

Fuck your anonymity,

Fuck your paranoia,

And fuck your reasons.

In the days when every E-Mail originating from the Eastern Hemisphere into the US can be read, you're worrying about what the Mudcat Administrators are up to with knowing your IP.

Or are you the kind of person that likes to phone people repeatedly and leave unpleasant shit on their voicemail?

ISDN phones automatically capture your phone number, you know. That one tracks you to your door, pal...no questions asked.

You Want to get Paranoid?

Go watch 'Flatliners' again

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Ralphie
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 02:34 AM

Hey...BillD.
Seriously (for once!)....What I originally took to be another annoying troll thread, has actually turned out to be rather educational!
I'm sure that we could all find out everything about everybody if we wanted to,.......but........(BIG but!)
would we be happier?
I'll show you my modem, if you show me yours!!
Ralphie

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 12:30 AM

I like the idea, JP, if it would work. Thanks for posting it.

I'd like to know what good Zone Alarm is. When I went to www.privacy.net and analyzed my connection without ZA on, it eventually showed a whole bunch of stuff, including the town I am in. When I redid it with ZA activated, it didn't give as much but it still managed to show location. I thought ZA was to protect that kind of info?

kat

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,Fed up
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:15 PM

Try www.privacy.net

Has an analysis page to show the information captured on every website you go to.

All

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:15 PM

Screw it. We're grown up folks, free of mind and tongue, and we can deal with the occasional dimwit in the ordinary course of things -- in fact it is part of all our maturation processes to figger out how to use communication, or noncommunbication, to deal with a comm-pervert. For example, I am much better at flaming than I used to be! :>)

I'll take the occasional headache and improved skills, in preference to an automated system to protect me from someone's nasties -- let's take the world on with what we do best, and not retreat into patent medicines and circuited solutions!

A

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:53 PM

Justa, I think most of us don't have static IP addresses as Jon and Spot were discussing above.

Max knows the IP addresses, and I'm happy with him being the only one. What am I going to do if I learn it? Not a thing. The particular troll we have now has a modus operandi that's easily identifiable if one has encountered her elsewhere. So I know who it is - what am I going to do? Nothing. I'd prefer the rest of us just learned to ignore her, or the same thing will happen later with a different troll.

If all you're saying is that every one of a person's posts will be identified as coming from the same individual, I agree - it would be good. I just can't see how it could work since I think a lot of us have dial-up connections.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Justa Picker
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:30 PM

You don't need to post people's actual IP's on the Forum.
There is a better and more elegant solution, if the Mudcat wizard programmers want to adopt it.

I've mentioned this before a few months ago, but in speaking with a friend today, she suggested I post this again.

You write a software program to encript/encode the actual originating IP of the poster. The scrambled set of letters become consisent to a particular IP address, so that visits here from a poster (always using the same IP) will always have the same encripted code showing beside GUEST - !WSS-SST?X as an example. Be very easy to make the correlation between a legit member's encoded IP, and that same legit member coming on as a GUEST and flaming/trolling. And even if they go through an anonymizer (as long as they are calling in from the same computer with a static IP address) the encripted IP will always be the same and consistent.

It doesn't tell us where the person is from, nor does it allow anyone to hack them, but it assigns an identity of sorts that can be correlated and tracked, if one has the time to spend sifting through threads, determining the encoded IP signatures of legit members and correlating them against some of the GUESTS' postings. And yes the system administrator(s) would have the ability to decode the IP as well, should there be a valid reason.

No, it won't get around dynamic IP addresses, but I think it could eliminate about 90% of the flaming/trolling activities here without any further moderation or censorship, and since the actual IP is not visible, there's no violation of anyone's privacy or the fear of being hacked. It just levels the Mudcat playing field a bit, in favor of the security of the overall users here.

Sure, someone who really wants to troll/flame, and has nothing better to do with their time, can go to a friend's or parent's place and log on from their computer, but that would get pretty tedious and tiresome after a while, (and wouldn't you better be spending that time practising an instrument...or searching for a lyric for someone?).

If you want to see an example of this method of encoding an IP at work on an [albeit moderated] forum, visit the forum at Stefan Grossman's site. Click on any message posted there and at the top of the screen on the left you'll see a box with info regarding the poster. At the bottom you'll see IP:and encoded letters/symbols. That encoded IP will always be the same to the originating IP, provided the originating IP is always logging in from the same computer and has a static IP assignment.

Personally, I can't see this being a big deal to implement, and the benefits vastly out weigh any inconveniences. And who is really inconvenienced by this? Only those, with something to hide, through questionable activities and behavior on this forum. It's not a "privacy" violation. IE Explorer and Netscape transmit this information to EVERY website you visit. You're just not aware of it...or maybe you are.

If this is a "community", how can it not have any security measures in place to protect its inhabitants, and undermine those who seek to malign or destroy it?

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 08:54 PM

Wow Spot, I'm impressed and lost... My subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 whatever that means.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 08:49 PM

Just noticed..(for those who are still awake..pay attention there at the back)....that my current address is 62.137.112.53 But with a subnet mask of 255.0.0.0. This means my ISP is using subnet masks that allow up to 255 users to share the same primary IP address...Probably using TCP/IP VI which is a clever version of the basic system. By allowing a mask of 255.0.0.0 thay can allocate multiple masked addresses across a range of primary class B IP adresses.

This makes it even harder to find any personal information about the user....however if you are a techie......

....There's more....

Spot

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 08:40 PM

May I.....at the risk of being taken to task by people who know more .....I think you will find that almost all ISP's offer an IP address with a license of < than (less than) one day. This means that when you dial in or go online a system called DHCP (Dynamic Host Control Protocol) allocated you an IP address from a resourse list (range) belonging to the ISP's class B subnets. This is usually just for the session you are in. If you return within your license period you will be given the same address.

Usually however you are allocated a new address each time you connect. The only way this can be traced is via the ISP who will almost certainly not be allowed to keep logs or reveal any personal information (at least under UK law).....however being a techie there are some uncrupulous techies who could use their skills to find more.....I am not one of them :-)

Shall I continue or is boredom setting in.

Spot.

Shall I continue?

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 07:20 PM

well,I have 3 also, but Tiny Personal Firewall is not installed yet!....So there! *sticking my virtual tongue out* (hey! wanna compare graphic viewers & editors!)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Ralphie
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 06:37 PM

Two firewalls???.....Is that all???
Cheapskate, I've three....Ner-ner!!
Ralphie

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 06:25 PM

ohhh...thanks Jon! I am currently 207.172.3.8 (DNS server) but 'default gateway' says IP address is 66.44.14.203 and I am even more confused...207 #s are what I am used to seeing. (and yes, like most people, I have a dynamic address which changes a little each time I log in)

....and you know what? No one seems to care where I am and I have two firewalls to protect me against random messing.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 03:00 PM

Bill, do a search for: C:\WINDOWS\WINIPCFG.EXE.

leeneia, an IP address takes the format xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx The search I used gives you the organastion registered with that IP address. An application for the search could be to find out who a person's ISP is, e.g. my current IP address, 217.125.29.75 should yeild Freeserve.

If person has your IP address, they know how to find your on the Internet and could take advantage of that to try to hack your computer for what ever reason they wanted.

People with permanent connections have more cause for concern than say me with my dial up connection. My IP address will change the next time I dial up, the next person who get my current number could be anyone of the thousands of Freeserve customers.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 02:50 PM

I went to the "Flamers and Trolls" link that Jeri posted above to refresh my memory, and I noted a couple of things. In point #2, Joe Offer says, "Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait."

A couple of times on other threads, I asked GUEST All/Fed up if she were actually interested in folk music. I was not being snide, I was simply asking because in all of All's posts that I had read, she never once mentioned folk music, so I was curious. The first time, All responded that I was insulting her just by asking the question and continued to whine about how nasty people were being to her, and anonymous guests in general (which is not true). The second time, All simply ignore me. At one point I decided to take All seriously and I made an attempt to be friendly. This attempt was also ignored.

Observe -- when one thread that All has managed to pollute begins to poop out, she starts another. Like this one. She posts a couple of times, then let's us flail around all by ourselves, returning now and then to stir the soup and keep it going. We're doing just what she wants us to do!

I may be slow on the up-take, but I've learned all I need to know about All. I intend to follow Joe Offer's guideline, as we all should have done in the first place. If All and I wind up on the same thread at any time, she will get no response from me. Let her languish in oblivion or move on to some other web site. As Joe says, "I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times more: the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them."

When you or your friends are attacked, it is natural to go on the defensive or to fight back. That's what these people count on. Please. When it becomes evident that someone is a flamer or a troll, ignore them. Just don't respond.

That's the best way to de-louse a Mudcat.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Cobble
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 01:08 PM

I personaly would'nt bite to them. I just call them WANKERS with nothing to WANK. Start and end of subject for me.

The laid back Cobble.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 12:52 PM

(ya know...my dialer used to have a dialog box I could click on to show my OWN IP number...the new version doesn't even have that...I'd have to find a program or dig in the depth of the Windows utilities to even look up myself!)

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 12:40 PM

This place is so sad and so funny, all at the same time...

LOL!! IP searches... Like THAT'S a big threat...

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: RichM
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 12:21 PM

All, you have much anger in you. Do you always feel the need to "win" ?

Rich McCarthy

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:56 AM

Angie, it's in the FAQ: Dealing With Flamers and Trolls - technical term for cyber-twat.

Leeneia, ARIN is for looking up IP numbers. They look like what's posted above: "210.38.124.0" You can look yourself up on any search engine. One of the popular ones is Google.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:55 AM

It's got two paths of derivations -- in some places it is used to describe a fishing technique, running a line out behind a boat and waiting for a nice fat fish to bite on it. The other is the legendary ill-tempered and ugly creature who hides underbridges and then interferes with ordinary citizens seeking to cross it. Both apply.

In cyberspace, trolling is posting a communication for the sole purpose of getting a "bite", push someone's buttons, manipulate the dialogue, create a false apparency, etc. as distinguished from someone actually expressing their own point of view, speaking reasonably honestly, etc. The differenceis the desire to manipulate vs. the desire to communicate. Velly diffelent.

Ms All is so enmeshed in fears and dire threats that she appears to be trolling, while actually sounding genuinely concerned about the dangers and offenses about which she is complaining. However, whichever it is, you notice she rarely speaks in specifics, names multiple targets as the source of the misconduct or threat (as, The Gummint or All The Mudcatters) and on this occasion when she did speak specifically she stated a palpable falshood and then claimed she did it as a troll, to make a point.

My impression from all of this is that she is complaining but not contributing very much. And that she needs to learn some finer communication skills, or somehow show that she gives a dried pony turd about those to whom she is speaking, if she does, which I doubt. And that she is probably kinda sad, lonely and/or bitter. That's just my impression, FWIW.

A

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:53 AM

LOLOL...I wish I had stayed up late enough to be first to answer that one!,,,but Jon did the important part for me...I can barely BELIEVE that what I posted was mis-understood! I was VERY clear that only Max 'could' get the IP, and then it was unlikely...

*sigh*...I tried to make the point to All Fed Up, but it is hopeless...let's go do something else

BTW here is another place where one can look up some 'general' IP #s...all it does is get you to an area and a 'company' mostly. I have NO idea where AllFedUp is!!!!!

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:53 AM

Not my friends the Mudcat members.

Friends?

Clearly a troll with a delusional mind.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Angie
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:42 AM

Can anyone please explain to me what a troll is? Is it the same troll as in the nursery rymes and kiddies stories or a technical term for a cyber twat?

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,Fed up
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:35 AM

Hmmm, we have here a number of Mudcat members who can describe troll behavior quite masterfully--some who even are Mudcat poster children for engaging in "troll" behavior.

A bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

After over a week of trying to engage with people here on the issue of Mudcat membership flaming, trolling, and other questionable behavior towards anonymous guests, they seem to now be trying to emphasize in nearly all of their posts (and boy, are there still a lot of them!) a strategy of "we don't have any behavior problems: its THOSE PEOPLE (i.e. guests) who are the trolls and flamers who are the problem. Not ME. Not my friends the Mudcat members. Not in our community. It can't happen here. We don't do those nasty things here, and anyone who says we do is just a troll.

A bit late in the game to pull "this is a troll" but its the only way members with egg on their faces at having behaved badly can get out of this feeling like they have a shred of dignity intact, I suppose. So they will continue to post many responses to each message I post, saying "you are just a troll."

It is also just as unproductive now as it was over a week ago. Said guilty parties have now been doing posting "ignore the troll" and "this person is a just a troll" in large numbers daily for over a week.

Predictable. Very predictable.

All

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 11:09 AM

Out of curiosity,I went to the Arin Whois page mentioned above and did some searches. None of them worked.

Jon, what kind of data is the user supposed to enter in the Search box?

Mostly I want to know what information other people could learn about me and my nearest&dearest when using this page.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 10:33 AM

So once again Jon Freeman chooses logic and defuses a situation. Thank you Jon. And thank you Jeri - knowing all that I still occasionally bite or worse yet bite the wrong poster. I guess that's their game. Adolescent but harmful.

Subject: Anatomy of a Troll
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 10:14 AM

Anatomy of a Troll

This is just one type, but it's been very effective over and over (and over) again on Usenet (newsgroups) and here.

It begins with the troll accusing participants of bad behavior.

Possible results:

Participants point out proof of good behavior - defensive

• Troll accuses them of avoiding the issue or ignoring faults
• Participants are on defensive, and must now explain why they feel they aren't ignoring anything.
• The fight continues

Participants assert behavior isn't that bad - defensive

• This is a defensive position. Participants must try to explain the bad behavior that exists, and it does exist in any human community.
• Participants are stuck explaining human behavior
• Troll will point out that being human doesn't justify bad behavior
• Participants find themselves try to explain everyone else in the forum
• The fight continues

Participants point out that accusing people of bad behavior illicits said bad behavior - offensive

• Troll points out that people behaved badly of their own free will
• Troll points out this proves their point
• The fight continues

Participants directly attack troll - offensive

• This is proof to the troll of bad behavior
• Fight will continue, with troll acting as hurt party.
• Troll now has grievances with individuals instead of the group as a whole
• Troll may get sympathy posts from some participants
• Fight continues, with previously friendly participants choosing sides and arguing with one another instead of just the troll.

Participants ignore the troll - inoffensive

• I've never seen this happen successfully
• I believe the troll will either continue to post to the same thread until someone bites, or they give up and try again later.
• If they're anonymous, they may post as with different names just to keep the fight going until someone bites. Guests can change names fast and frequently if they seem to need support.(I have seen that happen here.)
• Fight ends, unless troll continues to talk to his/herself

This isn't inclusive, just some examples. There are other tactics, such as asking the troll what they expected, or questioning why they spend so much time in a place they obviously hate.

In short:

• Those arguing from a defensive stance will lose because they let the troll set the direction of the fight.
• Those arguing from an offensive stance will lose because they not only further provoke the troll, but they bring others into the fight.

• Those arguing will lose.
  It's the trolls game, they make the rules and there's no possible way they'll allow you to win. The object is to keep the fight going with as many participants as possible, and keep everyone angry.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: GUEST,Curious
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:35 AM

I don't know, Jon. I think he's saying something important...Curious

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From:
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:31 AM

I just think we should ignore all of the Guest postings with obvious trolling qualities.

Personally, I'm getting fed up with "Fed Up" wasting all the bandwidth and time.

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:26 AM

Yes Mary! Anway, for what it's worth, I have reached the conclusion that All is an incurable troll and that any replies to him will get twisted one way or other.

I do however feel that it was essential that this one was answered with factual information.

Jon

Subject: RE: Posting people's IPs in the Forum
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 14 Jul 01 - 09:09 AM

Jon, once again he's changed the subject when you call his bluff. lol