Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Mark A Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:09 AM Should anyone like copies of Tom playing live 1975 at City of M/C College, please let me have a phone number at mark.aherne@brookside.stockport.sch.uk Together with the songs, the recordings also contain Tom explaining background etc. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 15 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM I'd be very interested please Mark, Tom was a one off in the Manchester scene, great musician and singer and for me sadly missed. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,mark aherne Date: 15 Jun 11 - 01:44 PM Delighted to see so much enthusiasm for Tom, keeping his spirit alive.I have some live recordings from 1975 Manchester. Would be pleased to make copies. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST Date: 23 May 11 - 03:59 PM Hi toms album love comes well armed is a superb album with more wit tender animated stroytelling than many an A listers album's, it ranks high among the greats as far as im concerned as it tok me as a teenager all over the world, rooster o grady was full of grizzley adams humour and stroy telling folklore, and bye bye bohemia is possibly equal to any syd barratt roy harper tune, my god why was this album never ranked amongst the greats i dont know, but as for epic's listen to "love comes well armed "track, this is a spiritual journey into the soul of purity and the essence of love this track is the foundation block all should build from, i know the album has gone £60 in collectors status and its well worth it, but should be released on cd this would,im sure gove tom the recognition he deserves. sleep well brother in christ and fellow lover of eden as we know it. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,dai tysall Date: 01 May 11 - 03:20 PM I got to know Tom through the New Mills connection.(Ian Gentle etc) I also had a Duncan Browne connection through the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, which i attended in the early 70's (also in three bands at the time)Tommy was very astute with the issue of bullshit,at a time when bullshit prevailed, and was personally very kind and encouraging to me . Lovely man. Dai Tysall |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Redsetter Date: 27 Apr 11 - 05:23 PM I am a friend of Jehanbosch. Also in search of Tom Yates information RAGGYTASH, would you contact me offline at: Garydiam55@aol.com to discuss Tom's career further? Along with Jehanbosch, I am still trying to put the pieces together as to the connection between Tom Yates and Duncan Browne. The two writers shared many songwriting credits together...but it seems rather distant as to how the two gents originally connected. Any one who has info, please feel free to contact me further! |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Cumbrian Folk Bob Date: 19 Mar 11 - 01:01 PM I remember Tommy well - late 60's Stockport, Manchester, Ashton-u-Lyne , New Mills etc, along with Ian Gentle and Tony Davis, Mary Asquith, and certainly Stan Gee and his Slipper Alley Sidewalk Stompers All Star Show Band and many others. It was a magical time for the folk scene, and Tommy was a deservingly well-loved member of the crew. Been doing Sandpiper at least once every few months for the last 23 years since I moved to Yorkshire, and every time I intoduce it by a brief description of Tommy, and then tell the audience that the song ,for me, makes the summer-holiday-sun shine no matter how dull or dark the day - so lots of people know about him, and at least one of his songs - his light may have dimmed - but it still flickers on in this part of the world. I suppose now I'll have to describe him as the 'late' Tommy Yates - but I believe that while ever his music lives - so does Tommy. Rest in peace - old friend. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Jeff Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:22 AM Heartening to see a little recognition for Tommy Yates. I saw him only once, in the 60's at Les Cousins in London's Soho . . . wonderful performance and I bought his "Second City Spiritual" album soon after. Still treasure it . . . one of that decade's best, stacked with fine songs. Only recently came across Tommy's "Song Of The Shimmering Way", courtesy of the Mysteryposter blog . . . and I've never heard "Love Comes Well Armed". Some day, maybe. A decade or so ago, I posted a few comments/enquiries about Tommy online and received several replies over a period of time. For years I've subsequently been asked for info on the "Second City Spiritual" tracks. Simply amazing that nobody ever released it on CD. A guy called Callum (I believe) wrote to tell me of Tommy's latter years in Holland and Belgium and told me of his sad passing. He also mentioned that Tommy's second wife had none of his recordings. Because of computer woes, I lost contact before I could send copies. If anyone's in touch with her, might be a nice gesture to send her some tracks. Just wanted to add my two penn'orth of recognition for Tommy's great talent. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,jehanbosch Date: 14 Jan 11 - 07:14 AM Tom Yates made another album,"Love Comes Well Armed",released in 1973 that is even supposed to be his most popular one. The album appears on EBay and music sites fairly often. I possess a copy. I knew about the Mysteryposter Blog because there is where I got the scans of "Second City Spiritual" LP's cover. However, "Love Comes Well Armed" is not on this blog. The lyrics of "Here and Now" I posted on the Duncan Browne Tribute Forum but I have not got a reaction so far.. J. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 11 - 03:21 PM Erratum? Bob Rowley says Tommy died arround 1996? That is possible,as Bob knew Tom far much better than I did although I saw hime pretty often after we've been playing; I got on a cassette here he died on the 10th of october 93, but this might be an error??? Anyways, it would be nice if Tom (and his work) had a dedicated website-page, it would be a pity if his work got lost... How about that? |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Edwig Claes Date: 06 Jan 11 - 01:57 PM By the way, his songs from the first albums can be downloaded on: http://mysteryposter.blogspot.com/2010/02/thomas-yates.html |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Edwig Claes Date: 06 Jan 11 - 01:50 PM You mean probably Thomas alias Tom Yates, born in Rochdale GB 26 augustus 1944, he made about two recording-LP's : Second-City-spiritual2 1967 and Song-of-the-Shimmering/way2 1977. He came to Antwerp (belgium) in the eighties where he sang alot in the "Muziekdoos" where I used to play too. I worked on his splendid new recordings in Heist-op-den Berg, with John Swift (who died a month ago)as producer. I think he made his best work at that moment. The recordings never has been released... Later he worked on christian gospellike songs (recorded by Robin Rowley and Erwin Sampermans in Antwerp). He got cancer and he died in Antwerp in 1993 shortly after I met hime for the last time. As to those who wonder about his spirit : he was a tremendously kind guy, always smiling and had a wonderful charisma... |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: Raggytash Date: 31 Dec 10 - 04:58 AM I do not have a turntable anymore, if some nice person could copy a CD ...................... |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Jehanbosch Date: 29 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM Unfortunately "Second City Spiritual" is almost impossible to find. On EBay it made 90 pounds according to popsike! On http://rateyourmusic.com to which I contribute no one seems to have the real thing, only downloads and CDr. And of course it is Paul McCartney; typing error. Cheers, J. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: Ross Campbell Date: 28 Dec 10 - 07:21 AM Tom Yates single on eBay - To be in a movie with you/Johnnie Mars the Knocker 2 available at £6.99 - also a copy of "Songs of the Shimmering Way":- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOM-YATES-SONG-SHIMMERING-WAY-RARE-UK-FOLK-77-/190477000026?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2c59505d5a Ross |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: Raggytash Date: 28 Dec 10 - 06:36 AM Tom was one of my favourite artists of the time on the Manchester Folk scene of the 70's ( I left for Oxford in 1980)Gnomad let me have a copy of Songs of the Shimmering Way, if anyone has copies of Second City Spiritual and Love Comes well Armed I would dearly love to have copies, I've not heard either of them. Cheers Raggytash |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,jehanbosch Date: 27 Dec 10 - 07:32 AM Hi. I am making a discography of the late Duncan Browne, one of Tom's friends. Tom Yates made 3 LPs:"Second City Spiritual"(1967),"Love Comes Well Armed"(1973) and "Song of the Shimmering Way"(1977). David Morgan was another of Tom's and Duncan's friends and played on the first LP of Tom. Tom and Duncan worked together on several projects, 2 of which are documented: -1970: "Resurrection Joe/The Final Asylum", a single by Duncan Browne. While the Aside is composed by Duncan, Tom and David Morgan, the Bside is by Duncan & Tom. Neither side is truly folk, more pop in Paul McCarthy style. Both can be heard on 2 CDs of Duncan Browne. -1973: "Love Comes Well Armed" by Tom. Two tracks are jointly made by Tom & Duncan; Duncan plays guitar on these tracks and 2 more, including "Bye bye Bohemia". However, there is more: On "Song of the Shimmering Way"(1977)the first song, "(We're)Here and Now" is attributed to Duncan, David & Tom. It is a masterpiece of baroque pop and the original recording of 1967 by Duncan & David's group Lorel was deemed to be lost. However, it recently surfaced and is on 2 CDs by Duncan as well. These dry data provide little human interest, I know. But a friend of mine has managed to contact a personal friend of Duncan, from circa 1970. He vividly remembers Duncan and Davy but not our Tom, yet! I am providing him with the description of Tom's physical appearance as found in the previous entries and just maybe I can treat you to some more info on Tom in the future... By the way: the lyrics of "Here And Now" I -as jeandesylvan- have posted on the Duncan Browne Tribute Forum, http://insyncnet.com/dbforum under Lorel. The lines are so Tom's! Best, J |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Bob Rowley Date: 13 May 10 - 02:48 PM Tommy called me on the Friday, to say that if I wanted to come over to say "goodbye", I should do it now. I went straight over and he passed away late Sunday afternoon. Tommy died of bone Leukemia in Antwerp in Belgium about 13 years ago. It took him a year to die and I saw him a couple of times a week during that time. I both paid for and helped the stonemason to make his tombstone and I was one of the six men it took to lift that rough cut celtic cross and to place it on his grave. The grave is no longer there now. Flemish Belgians have seen a lot of this work in the last ninety years and so they only give a grave ten years or so to do it's job. I would like to say to everyone that Tommy Yates did not just die, he faced the certainty of his own death with the greatest courage I have ever seen in a normal person. Tommy Yates was the bravest and also one of the funniest men I ever knew. He was also a very accurate, if sometimes wickedly comical judge of character, or the lack of it. I guess many people are still wondering about him? For all of his friends in these pages, I can fill in some of the missing time detais about some of his movements. I first met Tom via Ian Jentle, another great folk singer of that time, two weeks before Tom got married to Cindy in London, around 1970. He invited me to the do and we got to be great frieds. Tom and Cindy moved back North to Disley a few years later when they got a nice council cottage in Bentside Road. Cindy probably still lives there? They had two children Elu and Christie. Tommy did the usual pub folk gigs and also guitar teaching to help pay the bills. He also made a couple of his albums during this period too. I was in the studio for one of them. By 1980 however, things had got on top of Tom so he decided to go on the road. He joined with a group of my friends and me and we all went out to Antwerp, where the busking was a plenty and the bars never close. I did a full seven years in that wild art and music scene before I met my now Belgian wife. Tom came to our wedding and sang a song along with all the other buskers. He was royal and well respected in that scene. By then, his first marriage to Cindy was over and Tommy had taken up with a fine Belgian girl called Sonia. He was this ugly little crippled bloke who looked and laughed like an elf, but he was always covered in beautiful women? Anyway, he settled down a lot with Sonia and started to get into writing, politics and finally they both became devout Christians. I used to see hime from time to time and we would go to each others gigs and sometimes drink together. Then, around 1996 he called me to say he had been diagnosed with bone marrow Lukemia. We all did what we could, but Tommy's condition continued to slowly deteriorate. For a little fellow who could hardly walk, Tommy Yates went very far. He could not be ignored and I think that he left his mark on everyone who ever met him. He was my spiritual brother and I salute him. I still do two of his songs (Rumours & Life Ahead) when I play to a British audience. Contact me on r.rowley@glo.be if you want the words and the tunes. I did put them out on the web at one time, so if you Google my name on Myspace or YouTube, they might still be there floating around in the ether? ------------------------------------- I also didn't know that Mary Asquith had died. Mary looked after me when I was just starting out in the old Stockport folk scene around 1968. These days I always think of her when I sing "Cane On the Brassos". Mary taught me that song and she used to sound like my Bonneville motorbike sounds today, when she did it. Bless her memory too. Hey it's Ascension Day today, and I've been getting ghosts coming through all bloody day! |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY MARS THE KNOCKER (Tom Yates) From: gnomad Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:57 AM I have the 1977 LP "Songs of the Shimmering Way" which includes the song "If I Had a Boat", I picked it out of a remainders bin in HMV Hull around 1980. Just ten songs, and an unknown (to me) artist, but a bloody good mystery buy, which I still play occasionally. I knew and liked Capstick's cover of If I Had a Boat (recorded 1978 I see) and I think that was one of my reasons for buying the TY disc. I never saw him in the flesh, I would have liked to do so. No time now for a big transcription job (I think I did it once for Raggytash, but I don't have the files any longer) so just time for a short one I particularly like. JOHNNY MARS THE KNOCKER © Tom Yates Johnny Mars the Knocker, all his days a window-tapper, Every working morning, in the hours before dawn, "Eileen, arise Eileen, it's a frosty morning, And the spinning room is spinning And school awaits the childer." Then off along the cobbles in his rickety-bandy walk, Clip-clopping on his clog-runners, in his ratter's cap and cowl. "Eileen, arise Eileen, it's a frosty morning, And the spinning room is spinning And school awaits the childer." Sunrise was his hour, sunset was the time To find him stagg'ring in the alley With his Guinness in his hand; Then speak of England, love of England, Crying "Hearts of Englishmen!" Then go dream of English women, In solitude again. But what Earthly use is anything? Of what Earthly use is all this? One slow fandango, Lancashire tango, Give Johnny Mars a kiss. Oh, there's coal lying in the mines, And England's cold and wet, But I wish there was an inch I could stand on That I didn't have to fight to get. "Eileen, arise Eileen, it's a frosty morning, And the spinning room is spinning And school awaits the childer." |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: Ross Campbell Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:27 AM "If I had a boat like Manannan Or the gifts? of the Da Dannan I'd give the sword and spear to those who pray The stone and cauldron to the poor." The chorus went something like that. The rest I have somewhere in the pen & ink archives, ie not on the computer yet. I heard Tom Yates sing this at an after-hours campfire session at one of the Chorley Folk Festivals (another thread refers). I might have an LP somewhere too (I assume that's how I got the words). Never came across him again, though he seemed to be fairly well known around Manchester back then. Manannan (Wikipedia) Tuatha de Danann (Wikipedia) The article explains the sword, spear, stone and cauldron as "The Four Treasures of the De Danann". Any more words, anybody? Ross |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:18 AM He turned up, penniless, at a benefit - I think during the first miners' strike - at an Islington pub and wanted to perform but the miserable old Stalinist taking the door money wouldn't let him in without paying. There was no "don't you know who I am?" and he even declined modestly my offer to intervene on his behalf. Jolly nice chap. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Working Radish Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:15 AM Tony Capstick sang his "If I had a boat" and recorded it on Does a turn. He had an ear for a good song. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: Bryn Pugh Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:42 AM I was proud to be a friend of Tom's, as well as an appreciator of his music. I never knew him to have bad attitude or an ego problem - in fact, for a musician of his talent, he was to my knowledge a remarkably modest person. "Central Station, Sunday Dawn" remains my favourite Tom Yates song. Sleep in Peace, old Buddy. Bryn |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Mar 10 - 09:29 AM Tommy Yates was quite well-known in London in the late 60s / early 70s when he was often at the Counsins. Maggie Holland recorded one of his songs, Bye Bye Bohemia on her CD Bones. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,cusco Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:55 AM Sad to hear he's gone without much recognition. I remember seeing him at Stockport College Folk club upstairs at The Odfellows hall on Greek St and a few other places. The song I remember most is The Sandpiper. It was in the Repertoire of The Pennine Folk. I'll check if it's on one their two LP's. The first I would think. Fantastic song. Can't remember too much of the rest of his act but at the formative time of many singers he was way in front of most of them. I also remember a Carthy/Swarb concert at the college itself where the compere sang Sandpiper instead of one of his usual songs. We'd wondered how he was going to play it and it turned out to be the perfect choice. Can't remember his name but its always stood out in my memories. |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM Tom Yates used to run a folk club in Disley, upstairs at the White Horse about 1974-5 for a few years. I used to go most weeks. One song I particularly remember was 'Johnny Mars The Knocker' about a knocker up man from Tom's youth in rochdale. I dont remember all the lyrics but some of them were "Johnny Mars the knocker, all his life a window tapper, every working morning in the hours before dawn. eileen, arise eileen it's a cold and frosty morning, the spinning room is spinning and school awaits the childer..." He recorded 2 or 3 LP's but I have not been able to track them down. He also ran a club at High Lane Conservative Club for a while after the White Horse club finished. Andy Waide |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Ray Date: 01 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM I remember giving Tom lifts from a bus-stop in Disley several times. Better still is knowing Joe Beard is still around. The last I heard he'd joined the Conservative Party! Ray (T) |
Subject: RE: Anyone know of Tom Yates From: GUEST,Joe Beard Date: 01 Feb 10 - 07:30 AM Thank you so much for the lyrics to "Bide A While" I can now put it in my set/section re.the South Manchester Folk scene memories.I knew Tom well..he had childhood polio as did my also deceased partner Trevor Crozier. I can see Tom now in all his poses/attitudes/ his walk/ his gig-sat down pose - the grin and frailbody. I`ll always remember him and will take great care to tell audiences about him. This song is a classic of our area. love peace and great memories...Tom Yates/Stan Gee/ Mary Asquith my dear departed mates Joe Beard |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 25 Jul 01 - 01:19 PM Hi WYSIWYG, Relatively new, can't get rid of the guest handle, email through to Mudcat but haven't had a response. I've seen your pseudonym on a few threads. What time is 12.56 anyway, or more to the point where is the clock set from! Cheers |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST, WYSIWYG Date: 25 Jul 01 - 12:56 PM Raggytash, are you new to Mudcat? Welcome! I hope you will join. ~Susan |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 24 Jul 01 - 01:49 PM JohnB Sorry I cannot read or write music, but if you want I have it on vinyl by Bram Taylor who also played (and still does)he clubs round Manchester. I can tape it and send it acroos if you want. Cheers |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 24 Jul 01 - 01:44 PM JohnB Sorry I cannot read or write music, but if you want I have it on vinyl by Bram Taylor who also played (and still does)he clubs round Manchester. I can tape it and send it acroos if you want. Cheers |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: JohnB Date: 24 Jul 01 - 07:40 AM Thanks for the offer R'tash, unfortunately for the last 24 years we have lived in Canada. I lived in Smithy Bridge Littleborough, near Hollingworth lake, for my last 6 years in England, did you ever go to the Folk Club at the Fisherman's ?. If I ever get back I will lok you up, the tune to the verse is not there any more. I almost joined Saddleworth Morris Men once, hope you had a good festival. JohnB |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 23 Jul 01 - 03:20 PM What's that about not speaking ill of the dead, quite frankly Mike I'd rather you had kept your opinion to yourself. The Tom Yates I know/knew was not only a good performer and songwriter he was also a generous man. I took him home one saturday morning after a gig at my place and was asked to stop so he could get something for his wife and children with the proceeds of the night. So one of us is mistaken. Live well and lighten up |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Mike Walters Date: 23 Jul 01 - 01:38 PM Yes I remember him,good voice and did a half decent version of Bob Dylan's "Idiot Wind".Had a gammy leg ,an attitude and a bad ego problem. Got to be a pain in the arse and then died. |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 23 Jul 01 - 01:29 PM Refresh |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 19 Jul 01 - 06:53 PM JohnB I will be at Saddleworth folk festival this weekend, stewarding at various venues. if you can find me I'll be more than glad to run through the tune with you. I'm quite easy to spot I've got a Raggytash! |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 19 Jul 01 - 12:43 PM Thanks for the words Raggytash, I guess I'll have to stretch and see if I can remember the tune to the verse now. JohnB |
Subject: Lyr Add: BIDE A WHILE (Tom Yates) From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 18 Jul 01 - 02:26 PM Bide a while, great song. One which I still perform with great joy. BIDE A WHILE (Tom Yates) 1. The day's full end has rounded out And ends the working light And i would have all round about The friendship of this night... To CHORUS: Bide a while. Bide a while. Sit you down by me Bide a while, a while. Bide a while In friendly company. 2. Abide with us an hour to pass Before you think to part Allow the landlord fill your glass And friendship fill your heart... And [CHORUS] 3. Use up the time you have to spend With kinsmen you well know So pull aside a chair and lend The time before you go... To [CHORUS] 4. Come one come all the parting toast Is raised in fond refrain No matter who should play the host We'll bide a while again... So [CHORUS] Hope you have much fun with it, I'm off to raise a pint for Tom, wish I'd learn the songs of Middle Earth he wrote, one's I've just snatches of like "if I had a boat like Manana, or the wings of the dadana" or that's what my dim memory tells me. Tom must have returned from London cos he played the club I ran at The Red Lion Patricroft in 1980. |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 18 Jul 01 - 12:48 PM Long ago and far away, I remember him, two songs in particular spring to mind. One was a Streets of Laredo thing about a "Young Dosser wrapped up in his doss bag" the other is a song he used to finish with which has often cropped up in my addled brain over the years. The song was called Bide A'while, the chorus went "bide awhile, bide a while, sit you down by meeee and bide a while, bide awhile in friendly company. If anyone knows the verses, I would appreciate them. The last I remember of him was that he went down to London in about 1967ish. JohnB |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,VIN Date: 18 Jul 01 - 08:23 AM YEAH I REMEMBER TOM APPEARING A FEW TIMES AT THE 'RING O BELLS' IN MIDDLETON. ALSO CAN'T REMEMBER MUCH OF HIS MATERIAL - SO LONG AGO. BUT REMEMBER HE WAS REALLY GOOD. |
Subject: RE: BS: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 17 Jul 01 - 03:53 PM Refresh |
Subject: TOM YATES From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 16 Jul 01 - 02:50 PM Does anyone know of Tom Yates who used to perform in clubs round Manchester (England) in the late 70's. He wrote some wonderful songs that old age makes me want to recall but can't. I remember one night he sang Bob Marleys No Woman no cry very gently and had even a hardened finger in the ear guy boppin' along. I would be grateful for any info or even better songs |
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