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Tune Req: The Last Shanty (Tom Lewis)

GUEST,Jenny 17 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM
MMario 17 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM
Clinton Hammond 17 Jul 01 - 04:01 PM
MMario 17 Jul 01 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,Nick 17 Jul 01 - 04:10 PM
Clinton Hammond 17 Jul 01 - 04:12 PM
Naemanson 17 Jul 01 - 04:19 PM
Jeri 17 Jul 01 - 04:27 PM
Jeri 17 Jul 01 - 04:49 PM
Clinton Hammond 17 Jul 01 - 04:58 PM
GUEST,Mike 17 Jul 01 - 09:37 PM
SeanM 18 Jul 01 - 12:13 AM
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GUEST,Celtic Soul 18 Jul 01 - 09:54 AM
Mrrzy 18 Jul 01 - 09:56 AM
Naemanson 18 Jul 01 - 10:16 AM
Jeri 18 Jul 01 - 10:37 AM
MMario 18 Jul 01 - 10:50 AM
ChanteyMatt 18 Jul 01 - 03:44 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 18 Jul 01 - 04:42 PM
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bobby's girl 19 Jul 01 - 07:58 PM
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Subject: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: GUEST,Jenny
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 03:56 PM

Can anyone let me have the tune/dots for A Sailor Ain't A Sailor please. Its the usual thing - I know the tune to the chorus but not too sure of the tune for the verses.

Cheers.

Jenny.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: MMario
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM

This is one of the "missing tunes" - if anyone has it -= please include me.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:01 PM

Do you mean "The Last Shanty" by Tom Lewis?

As in...

"Don't haul on the rope, don't clim up the mast
If you see a sailing ship, it might be your last"

That one?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: MMario
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:03 PM

well - I mean this one


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:10 PM

We know our codes and cyphers but what's a semiphore? A bunting duster dosen't dust the bunting any more!

Yep Last Shanty is the name, but I have looked for penny whistle music for it to no avail

I do have it on a CD from a band I saw in Nova Scotia called Boys next Door. Nick (NicksterNM@aol.com)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:12 PM

Ya... that song SHOULD be called "The Last Shanty"... NOT "A sailor ain't a sailor"...

Tom named it what he did for a reason, folks...


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:19 PM

Somewhere I have yet another verse for this that Tom wrote fairly recently. He taught it to me at Mystic one year. It includes LORAN and SONAR. I will dig it out.

The version in the DT does not conform to the version I know. I believe mine may be more accurate. I learned it from Tom. The line "We've nearly got a mess. He says we have it soft." should be "The killick of our mess..." Killick is a British Navy slang term but I'm not sure of its precise meaning.

Also the line "Swinging on the deckhead or lying on the floor?" should be "Swing it from the deckhead or lay it on the floor?".

Sorry but no help with the dots. I learned it by ear.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:27 PM

Nope - "Swinging from the deckhead or lying on the floor?" See Tom Lewis's version of the lyrics. (Aw, what does he know anyway.)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:49 PM

You folks who know the tune better than I do - does this sound close?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:58 PM

sounds pretty damn close there Jeri... Like there's maybe one or 2 notes that I sing differently, but not by far!

;-)

But basically, the version in the DT should be yanked fast, trashed, and replaced with one that's RIGHT!

LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 09:37 PM

Killick.......2 meanings a: an anchor.B this is the reference i the song:- The Mess Leader


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: SeanM
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 12:13 AM

Also...

It's a Tom Lewis Original. His lyrics, as posted on his site (www.tomlewis.net), are pretty much the definitive source. Variants will be variants, but them's the lyrics "from the source", or as near as you can get without having him walk up and correct them personally.

M


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: SeanM
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 12:15 AM

Sorry... forgot to say that the version on his site has the "sonar/loran" verse.

As to tune... The versions I've heard have all been acapella. I'd imagine sheet would reflect that.

M


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: GUEST,Celtic Soul
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 09:54 AM

I know it. And if you're local, I'd be glad to sing it for you. Unfortunately, I do not read or write music or chords.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 09:56 AM

I heard this at the DC Chantey sing, so I have the tune in my head, which is unfortunately (pun intended) not of much help to anyone. But it is a great song.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Naemanson
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 10:16 AM

Jeri, your midi is pretty close to the way I know it. I'll sing it at the Press Room next Friday and you can chime in with some harmony on the chorus if you like.

All I can say about the hammock line is... OOPS! I guess maybe I learned it right but over the years it has somehow changed in my head.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 10:37 AM

Like I said, anybody who wants to see if I got the tune right, click on the link to the midi in this message. Feel free to critique it here or by PM to me.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 10:50 AM

Jeri - it sound like the melody as I've heard it.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: ChanteyMatt
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 03:44 PM

The song is a big favorite at the song circles here in Puget Sound, especially aboard schooners and square riggers. That might have something to do with the fact that Tom Lewis performs regularly here. Jeri, your tune sounds as close as needed until you get a chance to buy the CD. Yes folks, buy the CD to support the artist. Then, steal the song :-)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 04:42 PM

Jeri, it's pretty close. Some notes are slightly different but that's to be expected. For Jenny, it's sung with enthusiasm and verve! Lots of both!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Brían
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 11:50 PM

Yeah, Jeri, I concur with Naem'. That melody sounds about what I remember Tom singing. 'course that goes way back to the Swedenborgian song swaps we had donkeys ages ago.Good work all of you. 'catters never cease to amaze me.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: bobby's girl
Date: 19 Jul 01 - 07:58 PM

In the Royal Navy, there is a particular rank - I think its Petty Officer - which has an anchor as a badge of office. Consequently they get known as killicks because thats another name for an anchor. Hence the killick of the mess is the petty officer in charge of the mess


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A Sailor Ain't A Sailor
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:27 AM

Thanks, bg. One of those things I never dared ask!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Last Shanty (Tom Lewis)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:39 PM

A kilock is a small anchor and it refers the the anchor the leading hand rate has on their shoulders. Petty officers have crossed anchors


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