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Cruelty to dinosaurs (and songs about them)

McGrath of Harlow 20 Jul 01 - 07:11 PM
Gareth 20 Jul 01 - 07:16 PM
Murray MacLeod 20 Jul 01 - 07:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Jul 01 - 07:32 PM
Murray MacLeod 20 Jul 01 - 07:33 PM
GUEST 20 Jul 01 - 07:43 PM
Gareth 20 Jul 01 - 07:49 PM
Murray MacLeod 20 Jul 01 - 08:23 PM
Little Neophyte 20 Jul 01 - 08:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Jul 01 - 08:40 PM
Gareth 20 Jul 01 - 08:43 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 20 Jul 01 - 08:50 PM
mmm1a 20 Jul 01 - 09:09 PM
Bob Bolton 20 Jul 01 - 09:33 PM
Grab 20 Jul 01 - 10:46 PM
Cappuccino 21 Jul 01 - 08:19 AM
CRANKY YANKEE 21 Jul 01 - 10:09 AM
Fiolar 21 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM
The Walrus 21 Jul 01 - 12:40 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Jul 01 - 01:31 PM
The Shambles 22 Jul 01 - 04:36 AM
The Shambles 22 Jul 01 - 04:46 AM
Penny S. 22 Jul 01 - 04:52 AM
The Shambles 22 Jul 01 - 06:09 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Jul 01 - 07:31 AM
Bob Bolton 22 Jul 01 - 08:09 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Jul 01 - 08:21 AM
Naemanson 22 Jul 01 - 01:13 PM
The Shambles 22 Jul 01 - 03:19 PM
The Shambles 22 Jul 01 - 03:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Jul 01 - 10:54 AM
The Shambles 23 Jul 01 - 11:34 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 23 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM
katlaughing 23 Jul 01 - 12:39 PM
Charley Noble 23 Jul 01 - 03:34 PM
The Shambles 24 Jul 01 - 02:13 AM
Liz the Squeak 24 Jul 01 - 02:21 AM
The Shambles 24 Jul 01 - 06:02 AM
GUEST,Roo 24 Jul 01 - 07:11 AM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Jul 01 - 09:00 AM
GUEST,(jo) 24 Jul 01 - 09:07 AM
GUEST 24 Jul 01 - 09:49 AM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Jul 01 - 10:20 AM
Charley Noble 24 Jul 01 - 12:46 PM
CRANKY YANKEE 24 Jul 01 - 01:08 PM
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Subject: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:11 PM

Just been on a rare trip to they cinema to see Jurassic Park III - delighted to see the notice at the end saying that they could guarantee that no harm was done to any of the animals in the film in the course of production.

Of course the only animals in the film were dinosaurs of one sort or another - but the animation was so realistic that I actually felt a bit relieved to see that. We are pretty well at a stage when it is in fact impossible ever to be sure that anything we see on the screen is authentic or not. Does George Bush really exist in the flesh?

Anyway the point of this thread is, leaving aside dragons, does anybody know any songs about dinosaurs? At least that is my point, but whether it turns out to be what the thread is actually about is now out of my hands.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Gareth
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:16 PM

The McGrath of Harlow,

In a light aspect "Land of Hope and Glory" might fit

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:31 PM

McGrath, there is an absolutely outstanding song by Mark Graham called "Their Brains Were Small and they Died".

Somebody will no doubt post the lyrics. If necessary I will type them out myself, I have them in my head, but not on disk.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:32 PM

God who made thee mighty
Make thee mightier yet...

It figures. On the same lines we could sing the British Grenadiers as The British Dinosaurs.

...But of all the world's great heroes,
there's none can louder roar
with a tow, row, row, row, row, row, the British Dinosaurs.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:33 PM

The Mark Graham song id in the DT. Enjoy

Murray


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:43 PM

Try Here and Here.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Gareth
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 07:49 PM

OoPs Murray McLeod sumerises the British (sorry English) Conservative Party.

Well we were discussing Dinosaurs wern't we ?

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:23 PM

The difference is that dinosaurs no doubt had some lovable characteristics, Gareth.

I am posting the Mark Graham song from the DT below (with minor errors rectified). Actually, with the release of JP3, plus President Bush's latest lurch into further nuclear insanity, the song has become quite topical once more.

THEIR BRAINS WERE SMALL AND THEY DIED
(Mark Graham)

When I sit in contemplation of the human situation
I often feel a certain sense of pride.
For our achievements are many and mighty
And the evidence cannot be denied.
But my reverie is shaken 'cause my thoughts are always taken
To a tragedy that happened long ago,
When there moved throughout the land
Beings awesome and grand
The fabulous dinosaur.

They were creatures in a manner quite reptilian
In their unique and stylish way,
And their numbers could be reckoned in the millions
But there are zero of these heroes in the world today.
They had music, art and fashion, there was dinosauric passion
And I think they'd be enraged and mortified
That when they`re mentioned today it's only to say:
Their brains were small and they died.

Perhaps some asteroid that mother earth could not avoid
Became the agent of their premature demise
Well l understand that these things can happen,
So who are we to criticize?
When we'll spend most any price to have the ultimate device
That will ensure the perfect global suicide
I would venture instead that the humanoid head
Is where the tinier brain resides.

And when we're gone our works will start to crumble
Until nothing can be found
In ten million years some other guys may stumble
On our fossils, then some assholes will begin to expound
In some scientific study to their cockroach science buddies
How the evidence can not be denied---
They were big dumb and slow, they couldn't go with the flow
Their brains were small, and they died.

If anyone wants to learn the song and can't figure the chords out from the tune in the DT, I will post the chords as well.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:31 PM

I figure 'Puff The Magic Dragon' comes pretty close.
Its my favorite song. Makes me cry every time. Can never finish the lyrics, I get all choked up.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:40 PM

I had that in mind Neo. Gets me the same way.

Good song there, by Mark Graham. Never come across it before. Thanks Murray.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Gareth
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:43 PM

The Mcleod

True

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 08:50 PM

I like dinosaurs, if you go to brittania.com, it gives you lots of information about them, and pictures as well, if you like pictures of dinosaurs look at alta-vista, but not many.john


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: mmm1a
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 09:09 PM

I am amazed that no one has posted the song from Barney . I would but no one here can remember the words. oh well maybe someone else can supply the words . lol

mmm


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 09:33 PM

G'day,

I've always thought that Mark Graham's Their Brains Were Small and They Died was an unconscionable slur on dinosaurs! It sounds like a petty, misunderstanding cheap shot at a species that dominated the planet for 150 million years - coming from a bunch of overweening apes that look like not making it to a round one million (depending on just where you draw the line in the African veldt).

I've heard Faith Petric sing the song on two visits to Australia and it is a great way gently sting an audience into something like serious thought about the way we elect leaders bent on destroying the planet they think they rule. I just can't stomach the old fashioned view that the dinosaurs' demise was their fault ... that's an unacceptable anthropomorphisation of a noble species, wiped out by cosmic forces beyond their control.

On a less serious note, local (Sydney - ex-England) singer/songwriter John Warner has knocked a few great childrens' songs about dinosaurs (as well as bunyips - the local Native Australians' mythical monsters of the swamps and forests) and other toothy beasts that delight the average bloodthirsty child. I might see if he is agreeable to one or two finding their way onto Mudcat.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Grab
Date: 20 Jul 01 - 10:46 PM

Bob, that's rather the point of the song... (quote) "I would venture instead that the humanoid head/Is where the tinier brain resides."

Graham.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Cappuccino
Date: 21 Jul 01 - 08:19 AM

The other day, I was interviewing a professor of religious education for a feature in a Christian news magazine. He told me of the child who claimed he could prove that the Bible wasn't true - because dinosaurs weren't mentioned in Genesis! - Ian B


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 21 Jul 01 - 10:09 AM

There's "Ape Call", for instance.

You want to know what I think about the sudden extinction of the Dinosaurs?

Well, even if you don't, here it is anyway.

They were around, oh, they tell me, one hundred aqnd fifty million years. We've only been around , what? at the outside, ten million. )(and thats's a lot more than the scientists are saying)

Now then, I think that the dinosuars became civilized, and caused their own extinction, just as we are apparently doing./ After all, Some of them had all the requirements, hands, walked upright, carnivores, large brain capacity, etc. . When did they become extinct, ALL OF A SUDDEN? Do you think that in that length of time there will be anything left of our civilization that could be identified as "artificial"? Not a chance.

So, I ask, , doesn't this theory deserve some consideration by the "Experts"?

I say again, "Don't trust "experts" (and that includes me) Think for yourself.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Fiolar
Date: 21 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM

There are at least well over 50 different tracks with a dinosaur theme, including "Dinosaur Act"; "Dinosaur and the Progress of Man"; Dinosaur Bones"; Dinosaur Jesus"; Dinosaur No 3" and dozens more.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Walrus
Date: 21 Jul 01 - 12:40 PM

I seem to remember the members of "Blackwell's Regiment" in the ECWS had a song featuring a dinosaur, sung to the tune of the Can-Can(I think) but I can't remember anything of it except the lines
"...we tripped the light fantastic
Only dressed in plastic..."
Not much to go on I admit but I only heard it once while a trifle "tired and emotional".

Any of the ex-ECWS mob out there remember hearing it?

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 01 - 01:31 PM

ECWS? Enacting Civil War Society?


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 04:36 AM

The Last Roar

The last roar
Of the Dinosaur
As he marches to extinction
You say "what went wrong"?
But to survive for so long
Must be, a mark of distinction

For time had flown

And the world he'd known
The land and all the oceans
Where once he would fit
He now must admit
He was only, 'going through the motions'

Just running to stand still
'Over the hill'
He thinks he'll get there, but never will

Ready to 'give up the ghost'
Sound the 'last post'
Where are your friends, when you need them the most?


Put to the test
He was losing interest
But still going through, 'the usual channels'
He had to curse
When they got there first
"Damn, those upstart mammals"

For they had begun
To suckle their young
He prefers, to keep his distance
But it's efficient
And quite sufficient
To threaten, his existence

Just running to stand still
'Over the hill'?
He thinks he'll get there, but never will

Ready to 'give up the ghost'
Sound the 'last post'
Where are your friends, when you need them the most?


© Roger Gall.

I had not seen Mark Grahame's song, but he is a fine song writer. It is a shame that Kevin Burke's group Open House is now extinct also. As Mark was a member, and the group featured his songs as well as his other skills.

We saw the film last night. I thought the 'raptors' in particular were far more 'real' than many of the actors.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 04:46 AM

Open House


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Penny S.
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 04:52 AM

They didn't all die out suddenly. During the long time they dominated the Earth's fauna, some died out while others rose to take their places. Towards the end, fewer rose up to take the place of the lost ones. There were not many species around when a) the Deccan Trap basalts erupted, b) the Yucatan asteroid hit c) flowering plants gave them all stomach problems.....

But it would have been circumstances and events that did for them.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 06:09 AM

I suspect that Penny is correct. Whether they evolved or became entirely extinct and the reasons for this, will keep us all arguing for many years.

Of course we may not have that many years left to argue the point?

The change from being the dominant life form, to not being that, is a lesson we should learn from them however.

Watching a film of a Cassowary being prevoked into attacking a human recently made me think. The Cassowary is a large flightless bird and has a spine or claw on its feet, similar to the one that a 'raptor' has.

It suggested to me that he method of using this claw would be similar in both species? The films do not show 'raptors' useing this method, just showing it as a sort of 'switchblade'.

The cassowary jumps forward, in a sort of very effectice, if ungainly drop-kick. The spur inflicting serious, sometimes fatal (to humans) injuries.

This method would not make as good a film but it would seem to be sensible method for 'raptors' of useing the claw?


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 07:31 AM

it would seem to be sensible method for 'raptors' of useing the claw

Any young raptors reading this please note!

Yes, it would have probably have been a better movie without the humans, Shambles. But they come cheaper.

I was a dinosaur and quite OK,
I slept all night and I ate all day...
I knocked down trees to eat for lunch,
I went to the lavatory.
When your asteroid comes dropping,
You'll be extinct like me...


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 08:09 AM

G'day Shambles,

Indeed: " ... Whether they evolved or became entirely extinct and the reasons for this, will keep us all arguing for many years..."

And most dionsaur experts seem to be saying that they did not totally become extinct - one branch of dinosuaria evolved into the birds. I have seen scientists comment that the nearest we can see to the way of life of the raptors is that of the stuthioformes - the large, flighless birds: Ostriches, Emus, Cassowaries, Rheas ... and the now extincr Moas of New Zealand.

Very large flightless birds - dinornids seem to have survived until only a few thousand years ago - if we include the moas - some up to eleven feet tall, maybe until a few hundred years ago. I wouldn't like to meet an emu, a cassowary or an ostrich in a dark alley!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

BTW: Grab - I agree fully ... I was just trying to get in a bit of outraged indignation on the part of the dinosaurs.

Regads,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 08:21 AM

Yes, it seems the nasty carnivorous dinosaurs that went round on two legs left descendants, but the nice ones like Triceratops and Brontosaurus that kept all four feet on the ground and went round eating vegetation didn't. That's life for you.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Naemanson
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 01:13 PM

McGrath, is that also a lesson for vegetarians? *grin*

The Dinosaur Heresies by Richard(?) Bakker is a book dealing with the myths we have long cherished on dinosauria. Bakker speculates, and provides is proof, that the dinosaurs were warm blooded, very active, and evolved into birds. He provides all his evidence and paints a very persuasive picture of these beasts. I think Spielberg (or maybe Crichton) leaned on it quite extensively in the first movie. I know the kid had a copy in his hands when he first talks to Sam Neil's character.

Jack Horner also investigated the myths of the dinosaur in his book on the discoveries of the dinosaur nurseries. He has shown that dinosaurs cared for there young and even excavated dinosaur nests with young and unhatched eggs in place.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 03:19 PM

How about a song about advice to young raptors?

Bob. I agree, a good idea to be wary of the Cassowary.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Jul 01 - 03:24 PM

The Cassowary. Good photos of the bird and its feet.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 10:54 AM

Well you had best be wary
of the Cassowary
with its claw that's reaching for your nuts
And you will wonder whether
underneath those feathers
there's a raptor hungry for your guts.
Well they may say for sure
there's no more dinosaurs,
But you will find they overstate that case -
it's no good being pedantic
when you are feeling frantic
with a dinosaur right in your face.

And my young sister Sue
she had a cockatoo,
it could sing a pretty song indeed,
but if you reached your finger
to that feathered singer,
he knew how to make that finger bleed.
Oh he could sing in chorus,
this young Cockasaurus,
but the motive for his merry screech
was to charm, then slaughter,
and to give no quarter any fool who came within his reach.

And I once knew a goose,
and someone let her loose,
and she swaggered round and round till dark,
and with her savage hissing,
there was not much missing
to remind us of Jurassic park.
And when I tell the story
of these birds so gory,
there's a moral there without a doubt,
for if you think at all
you'll know they're not extinct at all -
I think these dinosaurs will see us out.

Kevin McGrath 23rd July 2001


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 11:34 AM

Bravo!


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM

Huw and Tony Williams had a couple of tunes called "The Pterodactyl Twostep" and "The Dozy Dinosaur" which are on the "Rosemary's Sister" CD .....IIRC


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 12:39 PM

Some of the best scifi/fantasy anthologies I ever enjoyed were, if I remember correctly, Dinosuars Fantastic! and Return of the Dinosaurs, main editor's last name was Resnick. It included short stories by some of my favourite writers.

Also, my brother works part-time at a small, but significant museum: Tate Geological and Paleontological Museum where Robert Bakker used to be the top dog. He got mad and left, taking some of their best exhibits with him and moved on down the road to the Glenrock Paleontological Museum. Incidentally, we all did hear that he was a consultant on the films, and I think the credits even mentioned it, at least on teh first one.

The first link has a neat page where one can hear what they think the dinosaurs sounded like using a skull of one with air blown through in a simulation with a replica. Very interesting and uncanny.

My mom used to work for and join in dinosaur digs at The Western Colorado Museum.

There are several other world famous dinosaur facilities throughout Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah. Some rancher is always digging up another bone around here. It is also easy to see the incredible forces of nature, in what they speculate was the great uplift, in the stark landscape fo the West.

Sorry, no song, unless you go listen to the dinosaur itself at the Tate.:-) Interesting subject, though.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 03:34 PM

Very nice, Kevin!

I did pen some dinosaur verses to "Martin Said to His Man" which ran like this:

I saw a stegosaurus stagger through the door,
Fie, Man, Fie!
I saw a stegosaurus stagger through the door,
Who's the fool now?
I saw a stegosaurus stagger through the door,
Have one glass and fall through the floor,
Thou had well drunken and who's the fool now?

I saw a Tyrannosaurus Rex...
When there was no more Guiness, he was in a vex...

I saw a pteradactyle with a smile...
Say: "After a while crocodile!"...

I saw a triceratops in his shop...
Hard at work fermenting hops...

I saw a Brontosaurus with a thesaurus...
Searching for the ultimate chorus...

Here's a glass to you!


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 02:13 AM

I hear that the BBC are to make a news series based on my theory.

It is to be called 'Drop-Kicking with Dinosaurs'.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 02:21 AM

ECWS - English Civil War Society. Manitas was in it, but not Blackwell's Regt, ask Gervase, he also marched with ECWS.

And please don't anyone ever post the words for Doris the Dinosaur as sung by those 4 Australian loonies, the Wiggles.... please.....??

LTS


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 06:02 AM

Has anyone the words for Doris the Dinosaur as sung by those 4 Australian loonies, The Wiggles?


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Roo
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 07:11 AM

Interesting ... Dorothy is a big green dinosaur with yellow spots. She wears a floppy white hat and loves eating roses. Dorothy is 5 Dinosaur years old, and is very wise for her age. She loves dancing, she does ballet, Irish, Scottish and even line dancing.
hmmm.... can't find her song on the Net though... heaven only knows why I'm looking! Here's a song with Dinosaur in the title. It's about the best I can do.

From the Days of the Dinosaur


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 09:00 AM

Nice song there. Maybe we should havge a thread about tree songs as well some time.

Is Dorothy the same as Doris?

Nothing about Nessie yet. I'm sure there's a few about her.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,(jo)
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 09:07 AM

its not a very good song, but as a child i learnt one that went

when a dinosaur's feeling hungry, he looks for food
he looks in the forest when hes in a hungry mood
when he looks in the forest he finds lots and lots of trees
when he looks in the forest he finds lots and lots of mice

and he say yum, trees, and he says, urgh, mice
and he says yum, trees, and he says, urgh, mice

i only mention it as we get to keep the tree theme going as well...


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 09:49 AM

I thought crocadiles and gators and most reptiles other than the aforementioned species of birds are also descendant of the dinosaurs. Is that accurate or did NASA invent that myth too? Which birds are thought to be descendants of the dino's? I heard that recent discoveries make some folk think that dino's had feathers. A T-rex with feathers sounds like a silly beast to me, but, I don't think I'd laugh at 'em to their faces. Any experts out there know the current "facts" on these matters?


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 10:20 AM

Crocodiles (etc) aren't descended from dinosuars, they're descended from the ancestors of dinosaurs. Like us and gorillas.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 12:46 PM

My mother wrote a children's book once called "The Wonderful Egg" about the first "bird" but was quite perplexed when her editors complained that her dinosaurs had all kinds of exotic skin colorings and patterns; they expected olive drab or gray for some reason. She stuck by her colors, and who knows maybe she was right!


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 01:08 PM

They WERE warm blooded, as the "experts" finally agree. I think they also had feathers., well, they didn't have hair , or did they? It's highly unlikely that any warm blooded animal had "bare skin". Feathers or hair would not have become "Fossilized"

They died in large groups or we wouldn't have petroleum. Think of how many dinosaurs there must have been to make all the gasoline, diesel and heating oil that we burn up every day.

I REALLY DO THINK THAT THEY BECAME CIVILIZED AND EXTINGUISHED THEMSELVES. we better watch out that we don't do the same. After 150 million years there won't be anything left of our civilization that could be recognized as being "artificial" either.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 06:25 PM

Naah, I'm afraid the petrol comes from animalcules and vegetation.

After 150 million years there won't be anything left of our civilization that could be recognized as being "artificial" either.

Not sure about that. Isaac Asimov, I think it was, wrote a story in which people in the future were puzzling over these strange ceramic artifacts that were all over the place, and theorising what they might be for. They were lavatory pans. I think they'd survive pretty well.

Now what would a civilised dinosaur's lavatory pan be like? I mean, they haven't been looking for things like that have they...


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 06:27 PM

Yeah, OK, Doris is Dorothy's other name. Still a crap song though.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 07:11 PM

Still a crap song though

Very interesting - maybe that ties in with the dinosaur lavvy question...


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Roo
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 09:29 PM

Glad you liked the song. Yes, Doris is really Dorothy the Dinosaur. I must admit I don't know "her" song... my 23 year old daughter doesn't watch The Wiggles. But then she did like them when they were the pop group called The Cockroaches. I guess this is what happens when you don't cut it in the pop scene... some of you turn to pre-schoolers and make lots of $$$$s. Can't think which I think is a worse name.. Cockroaches or Wiggles! Maybe that should be another thread...


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Tiger
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 09:57 PM

Alley Oop - Hollywood Argyles
Written by Gary Paxton

There's cat in the funny papers we all know,
Alley Oop, Oop,
He lived way back a long time ago.
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop,
He don't eat nothin' but bearcat stew,
Alley Oop Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
Well, this cats' name is Alley Oop.

    CHORUS
    He's the toughest man there is alive,
    Alley Oop,
    Wears clothes from a wildcat's hide,
    Alley Oop,
    He's the king of the jungle jive,
    Look at that cave man go.

He's got a chauffeur that's a genuine dinosaur,
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
And he can knuckle your head before you count to four.
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
He's got a big ugly club and a head full of hair,
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop
Like great big lions and grizzly bears.
Alley Oop,
He runs through the jungle tearin' limbs off of trees,
Alley Oop' Oop, Oop
Knockin' great big monsters dead on their knees.
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop,
Other cats don't bug him 'cause they know better,
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
'Cause he's a mean motor scooter and a bad go-getter.

    CHORUS

Alley Oop, Oop, Oop,
There he goes
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop
Look it that cave man go
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
He sure is hip, ain't he?
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
Ride, daddy, ride
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
Hi, ho, dinosaur
Alley Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop, Oop
Oh my goodness....


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,johngeary23
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 12:19 AM

does anyone know the chords to "their brains we're small and then they died"?

the song is so cool, but there are soem funny chords in there i cant figure out.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Darowyn
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:07 AM

"Look at me I'm a dinosaur.
I stomp around a bit,
Then I stomp around some more.
People look at me and they say "OH LOR!"
Here comes a dinosaur"

From a book of kids' songs by Vo Fletcher- and there are appropriate actions to go with the verses.

Cheers
Dave


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:35 AM

Can't remember where this one comes from, but this kid's song is a lot of fun:


THE PREHISTORIC ANIMAL BRIGADE

Listen to the chorus of the brontosaurus
And the stegosaurus, down by the swamp
Here comes mammoth, tusks all curly
Joins the hurly-burly, STOMP! STOMP! STOMP!

What a noise (what a noise)
It's the boys (it's the boys)
Of the prehistoric animal brigade!


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 12:56 PM

'..delighted to see the notice at the end saying that they could guarantee that no harm was done to any of the animals in the film in the course of production.Of course the only animals in the film were dinosaurs of one sort or another...'

Years ago I watched a program on how the first Jurassic Park was made. The dinosaurs were indeed simulations of some kind, but the sounds they made were produced by real animals. They made recordings of various animal calls and combined them to make them more powerful and exotic. I believe one sound combined the rattle of a snake with the call of a large owl.

Thus animals were involved in the making of the film, but only in an auditory way.

I watched this at my mother's house. She had two young kittens that were not very tame. After the demonstration of animal noises, I glanced down and realized that both kittens had leapt into my lap and were making themselves as small as possible. They were afraid of the animals they had heard.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

Leeneia - A friend of mine moved to a house up above the local zoo. Their housecat was just starting to feel it's way around the new house when it was feeding time at the zoo below and some of the large cats started to roar. It took a couple of days for the housecat to come out from under the sofa.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 05:09 PM

Way upthread, Bob Bolton mentioned the work of John Warner. John's best-known dinosaur song is Harley Dinosaur. The lyrics are on John's website at http://www.folkjohnwarner.com/lyrics.htm#harleydinosaur


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 06:42 PM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ACKZ10BrSwk&feature=related


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 06:44 PM

..and how he'd often perform it to apreciative audiences


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E6KSt1u_UE0


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 07:31 PM

Yes, but when he's crawling around on the floor he's off mic.

I did come up with some Jurassic verses for "Martin Said to His Man":

I saw a Stegosaurus stagger through the door...
Have one glass and crash through the floor...

I saw a Tyrannosaurus Rex...
When there was no Guiness, he was in a vex...

I saw a Pteradactyle with a smile...
Say: "After a while crocodile!"...

I saw a Triceratops in his shop...
Hard at work fermenting hops...

I saw a Brontosaurus with a thesaurus...
Searching for the ultimate chorus --
I have well drunken and who's the fool now?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Tootler
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 07:51 PM

In our house we get very concerned about continual references to "War on Ptera" and we believe the govt. to be Pteraists.

Such non PC behaviour should not be tolerated and the dinosaur rights commission should take action.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 07:55 PM

Hiccup Charlie?

And not one mention of Barney the Purple Dinosaur and his insipidly cute friends.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 08:53 PM

Sinsull-

Certainly someone has dealt with Barney, haven't they?

Of course here in Maine we have the descendants of dinosaurs marching around our woods and fields, the wild turkeys!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 05:13 AM

Interested to hear about the dinosaur noises in Jurassic park. I'm not surprised they used an owl call- the other night I heard an owl in the park near my home and had to stop to check it wasn't someone being murdered!

Incidentally, a few years back I was commissioned to write and record a piece of music for a youth dance company on the theme of evolution, which called for various animal noises. Bees, birds, ducks, dogs, lions, no problem, but I had to do my best "raaaaagghh! when it came to dinosaurs!


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 10:46 AM

That's an interesting story, Jonny. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: GUEST,Tula
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 04:44 AM

Please, I need in the "When a dinosaur's feeling hungry..." Give me please on the e-mail: allatula@rambler.ru


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 08:33 AM

Tula-

Any other clues such as where you might have heard this ditty?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Cruelty to dinosaurs
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 11:11 AM

PTERODACTYLS (to the tune of Frere Jacques)

Pterodactyls
Pterodactyls,
Are extinct,
Are extinct
So I only see them
So I only see them,
When I drink,
When I drink.


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