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Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy

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THE IRISH REBEL SPY


GUEST,Michelle 25 Jul 01 - 10:54 AM
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Subject: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 10:54 AM

Does anyone know the lyrics to the Irish Ballad..."The Irish Rebel Spy" Please email me at Northcol1@excite.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Greycap
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 11:54 AM

Do you mean 'Kevin Barry' ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 10:30 AM

No it isn't Kevin Barry I have looked everywhere for it, a friend of mine has all but the last two verses of this song and we can't seem to locate it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 11:18 AM

Guest Michelle, can you quote some of those verses that your friend has? As fully as you can please. We'd love to help, but your title doesn't give much to go on. If you know anything of the rough date of the song, that would be a great help also. Thanks in advance, and hoping that somebody will come up with what you are looking for.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 11:32 AM

refresh


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Subject: Add: Irish Rebel Spy^^
From: Brían
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:54 PM

Here is a version from Songs of Miramachi (LOuise Manny and James Reginald Wilson). there are probably some errors as it is written as transcribed from the singer.Leone is probably Athlone. Mialco is probably Mulingar, but don't bet on it. The singer is John A. Gilks of Southesk

THE IRISH REBEL SPY

In the city of Mialco near the county of Leone
There lived a comely maiden, her skin as white as snow,
Her cheeks were like the roses, with a dark and rolling eye,
And the proper name she goes by is the Irish Rebel Spy.

She's got one only brother that se worshipped in her soul,
She had one only true love she loved beyond control,
They were Fenian little leaders and before her they would die,
She's our little Fenian leader, she's the Irish Rebel Spy.

She's as bold as any lion, she's as supple as a deer,
She's hardier than the wild cat or the hardy mountain steer
And she's often slept on hillsides with no covering but the sky,
And the proper name she goes by is the Irish Rebel Spy.

O those perils and those redcoats and those spys a-hunting came,
One day as she was walking across the fields they came,
She knew they wer detectives by a twinkle of her eye,
And determined to outwit them was the Irish Rebel Spy.

"O good morning, O good morning, O good morning, sir" said she,
"I've a letter for your brother Jim Stevens sent by me,
"Tell me where those bears are lying." They are lying snug and dry
In a hollow where they're dwelling," said the Irish Rebel Spy.

She wrapped her cloak around her, and she led them on the way,
And as they followed after her, she led them far astray,
She talked them to destruction, and she winked at them so sly,
Till one slipped from the saddle for to kiss that Rebel Spy.

Like a wizard in the saddle< O this fair one she could fly,
Like old Nimrod in his farmer days, this fair one she could ride,
Over hills and fences, O this fair one she did fly,
Until she reached those heroes and she halted by their side.

"Hurry up, boys, they re coming, they are just beyond the hill,
And as the ground should open up and swallow them as they fled,
They baffled at the Irish with their curses long and sly,
But determined to outwit them was the Irish Rebel Spy.

Now she sleeps in old Ireland with no stone to mark the spot,
But her name for us in Ireland will never be forgot,
Her name and fame will cherry us until the day we die,
She's our little fenian leader, she's the Irish Rebel Spy.
^^
Slán go fóill,
Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:57 PM

Very Good, Brian! Let's hope that is the correct one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 08:44 PM

Nice work,Brian! We can all stop racking our brains now, and get back to St Patricks Breastplate.
Lyrics sent by e-mail
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 29 Jul 01 - 08:56 PM

Thanks, Joe!

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 01 Aug 01 - 10:04 AM

Thank You so much Brian I can't believe I actually have this now. Very much appreciative


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 01 Aug 01 - 10:08 PM

Michelle, I am curious about where you've heard this. It appears to be very rare.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 01 Aug 01 - 10:54 PM

I was at a traditional Newfoundland Kitchen Party last week and this guy, in his late sixties, who was once a singer on a CBC program(in the 60's) sang a portion of this song. He said he couldn never recall the last three verses and would love to know them. He asked me if I could find it for him or if I knew someone who might know it. I am a journalist and I think he might have thought I would have some connections. I do however love a challenge and I knew this song was going to be a challenge since his niece had even done some researching when she was in Ireland and had come up empty. You my friend...I thank. I called him today and he is quite pleased. Now tell me where do you get all your information to? Always the curious mind. Michelle


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 01 Aug 01 - 11:58 PM

I don't know what information Joe sent when he e-mailed you, but I did indicate the source in my original posting above.(which I try to do where possible) I picked up a folk song book, Songs of the Miramachi(a terrible addiction I know) at an Irish Festival in N.B. while I was visiting St. John.

It appears to be a Fenian song written after the Famine, but before the Easter Rising. Many of these were printed on ballad sheets to known melodies and used to raise sympathy for the cause.

I am pleased to be of help. I am glad to see that a singing tradition is still alive in Newfoundland.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 02 Aug 01 - 08:11 AM

Interesting indeed that you found it in NB, because that is where this guy heard it in the 60's when he visiting there.

Oh yes, Irish music is very much a part of Newfoundland, much more so now than ever. They still even talk like the Irish here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 02 Aug 01 - 09:53 PM

I recall that trip to NB as being inspirational for me. We met some folks in Newcastle who sang PETER EMBERLY, THE MERMAID, some other logging songs, they had also composed a ceilí dance for the occasion. They had some good dancers and fine fiddlers, French, Irish and Scotch. I met someone on the bus we came up with who had some fine songs in Irish and in English which I have since learned. At the time my songs were SPANCIL HILL(not Robbie Mc Mahon's version he got from Michael Considine), ON RAGLAN ROAD, FROM CLARE TO HERE,songs which are fine, but not particularly traditional.

We met the band Déanta at the festival and were able to sit in with a séissiún with them(I recall sitting with my bow in the air watching them tear through what seemed to be 100's of Donegal reels and jigs. I remember being treated with respect and given encouragement to play a tune which I remember to be SÍ BEAG AUGUS SÍ MÓR.

I have a friend who is a fisherman who grew up on Shirkin Island off the coast of Ireland. He told me on his trips to Newfoundland that he seemed to blend in very well with both the music and the dialect.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:41 PM

Thank You for sharing that with me, Interesting. I have an old old book of Irish Songs and Ballads that my greatgrandfather brought over from Ireland with him when he immigrated here. None of the songs are familiar to me at all...I treasure the book though. Where is it that you live?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:50 PM

oh - Michelle! ? ! Old book? Song titles? *drool* do you have access to a scanner? Can you make midi's?

*thwap*

sorry...I'll back off a bit. But possibly, maybe, could you post a list of song titles?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 04:00 PM

Michelle, I live in Portland, Maine. A day's drive from NB. MMario has a point. if there are any interesting songs, maybe you could share them with us or your local folklore society. As you can see, songs are often "lost". Of course curating a book that could easily date back to the turn of the century or earlier is something you should look in to.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MartinRyan
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:35 PM

Interesting one, this. Never heard a mention of it before - and can find no sign of it in the Irish Traditional Music Archive, on a first search.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MartinRyan
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:38 PM

p.s.
I'm a bit dubious about the Mullingar/Athlone suggestion, mind you!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:18 PM

Thank you, Martin. The editors of the book I found it in didn't even hazard a guess. Maybe I shouldn't either.

Beidh mé ag caint leat aríst,

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 08:02 AM

The book is entitled "Songs and Ballads of Ireland" the table of contents is not there anymore but maybe I will do up a list of some the songs and post them here. I do have a scanner if there is something there you would like to have. I'm off to cover a Concert for the newspaper...I will post some of the titles when I get past my deadline in 2 days.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Bri/an(on another computer)
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 09:18 PM

Thank you, Michelle. We'll be looking forward toit.

Bri/an.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Big Tim
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 03:33 PM

Who is this song about? The only reference in it that I recognise is "Jim Stevens", presumably meaning James Stephens(1824-1901) who co-founded the Irish republican Brotherhood (the Fenians) in Dublin on March 17 1858.


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Subject: Index: Songs and Ballads of Ireland
From: GUEST,Michelle(attempt #2)
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 08:43 PM

Okay hopefully this will be a little kinder to the eyes. Cheers!

PATRICK O'REILLY
MY NOBLE IRISH GIRL
ADIEU, MY OWN DEAR ERIN
THE BLACKBIRD
SHAUN'S HEAD
THE "HOLLY AND IVY" GIRL
JENNY I'M NOT JESTING
MANTLE SO GREEN
THE BANKS OF CLAUDY
THE GRAVE OF WOLFE TONE
MCFADDEN'S PICNIC
TO SUSTAIN THE FAMILY REPUTATION
KILL OR CURE
THE WEARING OF THE GREEN
MOLLY BRALLAGHAN
THE COUNTY MAYO
THE EXILE OF ERIN
ERIN, MY COUNTRY
MISTER FINAGAN
DIGGING FOR GOULD
DORAN'S ASS
MORRISSEY AND THE BENICIA BOY
THE BOYS OF KILKENNY
KITTY OF COLERAINE
BARNEY BRALLAGHAN
THE CELTIC CROSS
THE ORANGEMAN'S WIFE
KERRY DANCE
THE RIVER ROE
THE LADS WHO LIVE IN IRELAND
PASTHEEN FION
BRIAN THE BRAVE
PADDY AT THE THEATHER
MARY OF TIPPERARY
UP FOR THE GREEN
DARLING OLD STICK
KATE OF ARRAGLEN
THE FENIAN'S ESCAPE
MOLLEEN OGE
BONNY IRISH BOY
CROOSKEEN LAWN
KITTY NEIL
LARRY O'GAFF
YELLOW MEAL
HURLING OF THE GREEN
THE SHAMROCK AND LAUREL
MRS. MCLAUGHLIN'S PARTY
BACON AND GREENS
TEDDY O'MONAGHAN'S COURTSHIP
WIDOW MALONE
THE WEDDING FO BALLYPOREEN
DRINANE DHUN
THE COOLUN
BRIAN O'LYNN
CUSHLA-MO-CHREE
THE OLD BOG HOLE
SONG OF INNISFAIL
TIPPERARY
THE HUSBAND'S DREAM
ROSANNA CARNEY
THE SHILLALEH
THE BANKS OF SWEET DUNDEE
HOW PADDY STOLE THE ROPE
THE BOATMAN OF KINSALE
EMMET'S DEATH
THE BATTLE OF THE BOYNE
RORY OF THE HILLS
THE SHAMROCK SHORE
WRITTEN IN LETTERS OF GOLD
HEENAN AND SAYERS
THE MAC AND THE O'S
TWELVE STONE TWO
SOGGARTH AROON
SLATTERY'S MOUNTED FUT
THE GAEL AND THE GREEN
GIVE ME THREE GRAINS OF CORN MOTHER
ANDY M'ELROE
KATHLEEN MAVOURNEEN
SKIBBEREEN
LOVE IN REALITY
BOUCHELLEEN BAWN
IRELAND'S PROTEST
FAN FITZGERL
JOHNNY, I HARDLY KNEW YE
THE RAKES OF MALLOW
OH, ERIN, MY COUNTRY
MARY OF THE CURLS
PADDY BLAKE'S ECHO
THE CASTLEBAR BOY
THE KERRY RECRUIT
YOUGHALL HARBOR
FLAMING O'FLANAGANS
MOLLY MULDOON
THE GREEN FLAG
KATTY AVOURNEEN
O'DONNELL ABU
BILLY O'ROURKE
MOLLY ASTHORE
MCDONALD'S RETURN TO GLENCO
KATY'S LETTER
RIDING DOUBLE
THE IRISHMEN OF TO-DAY


Line breaks - <br> - added, and previous messages (first attempt and 'oopsie' message) deleted. --JoeClone


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 09:25 PM

That's O.K., maybe Mudelf will come by and fix the line breaks which you can learn about in the FAQ's athe the top of the page. Look for HTML. That looks like you have a real nice book. If I had it I am sure I would be learning some songs from it. Some of them, THE COUNTY MAYO, PASTHEEN FION,and CROOSKEEN LAWN appear to be translations from gaelic. I have seen variants of many of these. THE CASTLEBAR BOY and THE "HOLLY AND IVY" GIRL look very interesting. I don't know how much you want to do, but I think ther are folks here who would be very interested in some of these songs.

I was wondering if your friend who sang THE IRISH REBEL SPY would be interested in corresponding. I would love to hear some good regional music if he was interested.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 07:30 AM

Oooooh!!! What a treasure trove! Seriously, Michelle, the folks at the Irish Traditional Music Archive itma would probably be interested in this. Thanks for taking the time to compile the list and post it here. As Brían says there are some well known songs, but others look quite rare. I wonder if The Holly and Ivy Girl is a Parnellite ballad?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 08:44 PM

The guy I heard singing The Irish Rebel Spy is a very well-known Newfoundland Baratone singer...He sang on TV Shows here in the 60's, All Around the Circle was one...a bit before my time...I was in diapers then. Lou Murphy is his name from St. John's. He says the way her heard the song the first line was In the city of the echoe in the County of Tyrone...he told me to ask you if that might be a different variation of that song or a mistake. He isn't into the internet.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CASTLEBAR BOY
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 08:07 AM

THE CASTLEBAR BOY

I am a boy from ould Ireland,
Where good nature and morn shines on every face;
And the pride of my father, And the girl’s own joy,
And the darlings they call me the Castlebar boy

Chorus:
For my name it is Pat,
I'm proud of that,
My country I will never deny;
I will fight for the sod
Where my forefathers trod,
Sing hurrah for the Castlebar boy.

I was born one evening, in the middle of June,
They took me into town And they christened me soon;
What name shall we call him? says Father Molloy,
Monnadowl, call him Paddy, The Castlebar boy. -Chorus

When I landed in England It was a beautiful morning,
They gave me a job at reaping the corn;
At reaping and mowing to beat me they tried, But the Omahauns,
They could not touch the Castlebar boy. -Chorus

You Englishmen, poor Paddy don't scorn,
For Paddy was not always a big Omahaun;
For his heart is in the right place, For a friend he would die;
I think I have pleased you, the best I did try.
Grant your applause to the Castlebar boy-Chorus

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 31-Jan-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 08:20 AM

I scanned a page from the book with The Holly and Ivy Girl, if either of you want it, I can email it to you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 09:35 AM

if you could e-mail to lpola@edutech.org I can post the words and tune (assuming there is music)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 06:01 PM

Michelle, I don't know enough about the song to know the place names. The editors of Songs of the Miramachi tried to write the words down as they were sung so there are probably many variants. I think Mr. Murphy is a trasure to have remembered this song and he should keep singing it the way he remembers it.

Thanks for all your work.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 06:49 PM

I am going to see if I can get a copy of some of the old Irish Ballads he sang at this party. His sister is a writer-friend of mine so I know he will give me them if he have them written down and I will gladly send them on to you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 08:07 PM

FYI - I am posting the songs Michelle sends me in < a href=http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37537&messages=19>this thread (click me)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 06:11 PM

Thank you Michelle, I believe Mmario will handle your work. Thank you for everything. Nous allons a Quebec la semaine prochaine.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:53 AM

Brían - wasn't trying to shove you over or anything...it's just I'm stuck at the desk anyway - so like having something constructive to do.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 12:20 PM

That's O.K. Mmario, this thread is taking a life of its own. Will there be any midis of these tunes? I assume you are getting scans of the whole pages.

Michelle, if you want to send me anything you can e-mail me at tunewhistle @hotmail.com.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 12:36 PM

Malcolm has posted links to a couple of midi's - Michelle's book has text only - but Malcolm has identified tunes for a couple - and the forum and DT had tunes for a couple more.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 03:51 PM

MMario is treating me very well and no I don't feel like you pushed me over on him. All you guys have been great and I very happy I stumbled on to you.

In that old book there was a song my dad would sing when I was a little girl. Unfortunately it too is torn out, the song is entitled "O'Reilly the Fisherman" Is that familiar to anyone?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Brían
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 03:57 PM

That is very familiar. There are many versions. Malcolm will probably provide a few links. I may be able to find a version.

Brían


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 04:33 PM

is this it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 05:12 PM

There's also a broadside copy at  Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

O'Riely, the fisherman  (Printer and date unknown).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: GUEST,Michelle
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 05:22 PM

Oh Yes that is it!!!! Thank you so much, you guys are just wonderful. Isn't is just the lovliest song? Malcolm I think you must have a treasure chest at your fingertips.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish Rebel Spy
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 08:36 AM

Refresh - to remind me to do something!


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