Subject: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Mike Strobel Date: 26 Jul 01 - 01:44 PM We were discussing Lead Belly's real name last night. we know it was Huddie William Leadbetter , however , we thought that Huddie was short for a more fuller first name. Might any of you know what that might be ? ( we are trying to prove a certain author was in error ). Thanks for your help. Mike Strobel |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 01 - 01:57 PM I believe it's "Henry" |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Rick Fielding Date: 26 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM Hi Mike. From the many sources I've read over the years, it would appear to have just been "Huddie" (pronounced Hewdie). I used to wonder about that myself. Rick |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: BanjoRay Date: 26 Jul 01 - 02:28 PM The biography by Charles Wolfe and Kip Lornell "The Life and Legend of Leadbelly" gives it as Huddie Leadbetter - no William or Henry. Cheers |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: BanjoRay Date: 26 Jul 01 - 02:29 PM Sorry, that is of course Ledbetter, not Leadbetter. Exit with red face. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 01 - 03:25 PM Dear Rick & Banjo Ray, Thank you. The most I have found was Huddie William Ledbetter .Now , Ray Baumler ( in his sixties ) said that he thought around 50 years ago he read that Huddie's real first name was something like : Hludik . So, I'm gonna call the Rochester Public Library and Ray is gonna e-mail Pete Seeger so, we ( the Folk FBI ) can get to the bottom or ( Belly) of this. Thanks guys, Mike |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 26 Jul 01 - 03:50 PM I have no evidence for this but I once heard that 'Huddie'was short for 'Hudson'. Whatever you call him, he was a damn fine singer. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: bobbi Date: 26 Jul 01 - 04:11 PM Huddie William Ledbetter was born on January 29, 1885 on the Jeter Plantation near Mooringsport, Louisiana. He was the only child of his parents Wesley and Sally. In 1916 Huddie was in jail in Texas on assault charges when he escaped. He spent the next two years under the alias of Walter Boyd. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: jacko@nz Date: 26 Jul 01 - 04:16 PM A broadcast of 'The Folkways Collection' currently being aired in NZ said that Hudson was the given name Jack |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Mike Strobel Date: 26 Jul 01 - 04:18 PM Dear Bobbi , Thank you. I saw that as well . I would be satisfied at that, however, we are bound and determined ( as long as we are able to prove it ) , that this young author needs to brush up on his folk history . ( This of course being the mission statement of the Folk FBI ). Once finding out this info, we will gladly slip it to all of you Mudcatters and sell it only to the Russians or Canadians ( The higest bidder ). My kids need to go to university. Thanks. All in fun. Mike |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: jacko@nz Date: 26 Jul 01 - 04:18 PM A broadcast of 'The Folkways Collection' currently being aired in NZ said that Hudson was the given name Jack |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jul 01 - 04:59 PM I was curious about this and tried various combinations on the net (Google) and actually spent almost 45 minutes reading a genealogy about the Ledbetters which mentioned Leadbelly. It's really buried, but it again only gave Huddie=Leadbelly and not even a middle name. I'll be interested to see what's found as I've never seen or heard anything that I recall outside of Huddie. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Mr Red Date: 26 Jul 01 - 05:45 PM what does it say in the Lomaxes' book? I lost my copy in shipping all my goods and chattels to/from NZ surely there would be an entry for Ledbelly since that's where the Lomaxes found him, collecting songs from he & his fellow inmates. wasn't he credited as the source for "the House of the Rising Sun" copyright documents for "Irene" might help. Isn't the Library of Congress on line? just a few thoughts. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,kendall Date: 26 Jul 01 - 07:44 PM Sorry Guest but Pete does not have e mail. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Art Thieme Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:39 PM I've talked about this in another thread----that Robert Cantwell had said that Leadbelly's first name was really HUDSON. In the margin of the book I put a very large "?" near that statement. I don't think we ever settled it. but I was hoping Cantwell would come in here and stand up for his assertion. No such luck though. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Art Thieme Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:41 PM Robert Cantwell's book is When We Were Good. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:53 PM From all the evidence I've been able to locate, I'd have to believe that his name was Huddie Ledbetter. However, that is based not on any defining fact, but on the preponderance of evidence. That includes John and Alan Lomax, Charles Wolfe, Kip Lornell, and several other "lesser" researchers. Just as his birthplace (Texas or Louisiana) has been in dispute, so has his name. To resolve these questions, one weighs the arguments and decides on the basis of who said what, and how much each of those persons might have known. I have actually seen the census report that states "Hudy" (note this spelling!) was born January, 1888. No ACTUAL middle name has ever been found. Lyle |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Stewie Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:57 PM As further confirmation, Dixon & Godrich 'Blues and Gospel Records 1902-1943' give it as 'Huddie Ledbetter' with 'Leadbelly' or 'Huddie Leadbelly' used as pseudonyms on ARC and Bluebird. --Stewie. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: JohnInKansas Date: 26 Jul 01 - 09:58 PM The Warners (Traditional American Folk Songs from the Anne & Frank Warner Collection, Anne Warner with foreword by Alan Lomax,Syracuse University Press, 1984, ISBN 0-8156-0185-9) were among the first to collect Leadbelly songs, although he appears to have been fairly well known by the time they first met him. Unfortunately, they give only "Leadbelly - Huddie Ledbetter, of Louisianna and Texas, 'King of the Twelve-String Guitar'" as an identification. They do add a comment that "Leadbelly" was his "prison name," and that his cell-mate was "Iron Head." The Lomax books that I have at hand do not index the people from whom songs were collected, so if there is anything to be "gleaned" it would require searching the whole of the books. Sorry, but that will have to wait. John |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Mrrzy Date: 26 Jul 01 - 10:23 PM When my dad was his bartender he called himself Hudy, or at least pronounced it hew-dee, not hud-dee, and Dad spelled it Hudy, or at least once commented on the spelling on a record label as being longer than it oughta be.. I'd go with the census records... |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Rick Fielding Date: 27 Jul 01 - 01:19 AM Hi Mrz, did your dad remember what his favourite drink was? What bar was it? Rick |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 01 - 04:00 PM Dear All , Boy are you guys the best. I believe in all of the correspondence , I have gotten and all of the research we can now say ( as far as we know ),that Lead Belly's , real name was /is : Huddie Ledbetter Thanks for all your help. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Jul 01 - 06:43 PM When my dad was his bartender he called himself Hudy, or at least pronounced it hew-dee, not hud-dee..(Mrrzy)
Would that be pronounced as in Hugh or as in Hoo (or Yehudi)? |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,pioneer@kans.com Date: 30 Jul 01 - 06:57 PM On the Library of Congress recordings, Alan Lomax talks to him as "hugh-dee" and since Leadbelly doesn't correct him, one might suppose that was close enough for him. I would suppose he told Lomax his name the way he pronounced it. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Jul 01 - 07:11 PM So could it have been a version of Hugh? Or would that have been an unlikely name in Texas/Louisiana in the 1880s? |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Deckman Date: 30 Jul 01 - 07:27 PM I'm holding a copy of "The Midnight Special" written in 1971 by Richard M. Garvin and Edmond G. Addeo, published by Bernard Geis Associates. It refers to him consitantly as "Huddie." You might also find this interesting. The late Walt Robertson gave me this book years ago. It's signed by Leadbelly, and says, "Walt, if they aint no more cane on the Brazos, you may as well raise hell in Seattle ... Leadbelly 16 July 1972." Interesting ... ehhh? CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 30 Jul 01 - 08:48 PM Deckman: That is VERY interesting since he died December 6, 1949! |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Deckman Date: 30 Jul 01 - 09:53 PM I can't explain it, I only posted what this book says ... I've always wondered about it! Bob(deckman)Nelson |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Don Firth Date: 30 Jul 01 - 09:54 PM Hey, Bob, are you sure you're not mis-reading the date? Walt Robertson attended Haverford College (which is right down the road from Swarthmore) in the late Forties, and he took in all the Swarthmore Folk Festivals while he was there. I know he met Richard Dyer-Bennet, John Jacob Niles, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, the Lomaxes, and God knows who all else. Leadbelly sang there in 1946. Walt could have met him then. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Deckman Date: 30 Jul 01 - 10:12 PM Hi Don, I've got a real mystery on my hands! The book tell me that Leadbelly died in Dec. 6th of 1949, of "amyotropic lateral sclerosis - a form of poliomyelitis." I also remember Walt telling me that he had met Leadbelly several times. This book wasn't published until 1971. Library of Congress number 70-134214. It says, "first printing". Going to your question, yes, I do believe I'm reading it correctly. It's dated 16 July 1972. We'll be down soon for a visit, and to delivar the taper recorder from Jo Harms. I'll bring this book along and maybe you can figgure it out! I dunno. I dunno. I dunno ...Cheers, Bob |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Mark Cohen Date: 30 Jul 01 - 10:40 PM Well, to Muddy the Waters a bit (oof! sorry), I'll just correct the minor medical misinformation in Bob's book: Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis is not a form of poliomyelitis. It's a degenerative disorder of the spinal cord, commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease. I didn't realize Leadbelly had it, too. Be that as it may, having recently had some interesting flirtations with the paranormal, I'd be very interested in discovering how Leadbelly signed a book that wasn't published until 22 years after his death! Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Deckman Date: 30 Jul 01 - 10:56 PM Hi Mark ... I had bride Judy read the dedication. She reads English better than I and her beautiful eyes are younger than mine! She interputs the same as I. I know of someone in London I can quiz about this, but I'll be surprised if she has any information. I'll e-mail her now. I want to be clear about something. Let's not get this thing built beyond porportion. All I have is a book that Walt gave me with a dedication that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Walt lived a mysterious life and many mysteries remain, but let's not jump into unreality about this. I'll let you know what I learn. Meantime, I can hear my Martin playing with itself, again. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: toadfrog Date: 30 Jul 01 - 11:52 PM Let's see. I have a very old recording of Pete Seeger, in which he pronounced it "Hew-die." But Leadbelly sang: If anybody ask you, who composed this song, Tell 'em its Hud-die Ledbetter, he's done been here and gone Just lookin' for a home . . . |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Rick Fielding Date: 31 Jul 01 - 01:05 AM Ahahhh Toadfrog! Brilliant...we get the pronunciation straight from the horse's mouth. We all should have thought of that! Good work. Rick |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Jul 01 - 01:32 AM The Leadbelly Web has some interesting information. It says he was born Huddie William Ledbetter on Jeter Plantation, LA (Jan 29, 1885; date in dispute). A LA penitentiary record, 1934, shows his name as Huddie Ledbetter. A fairly long biography is given. It notes that he said he got "Goodnight, Irene" from his uncle, Bob Ledbetter (probably true since one of the verses came from another song (see Digitrad). In the south, Huddie would be pronounced "Hugh-die", according to my deep south wife. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 01 - 06:26 AM I'd imagine the most likely explanation for that dedication is that Walt was quoting something that Leadbelly said to him, or maybe wrote to him, and he put it in the book when he got it over 20 years later as a reminder of old times. "straight from the horse's mouth" - once again, the singing horse! |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Deckman Date: 31 Jul 01 - 06:58 AM Highly Likely. Bob Nelson |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Rick Fielding Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:10 AM Now cut that out McGrath!!! There's another "name" thing that I remember from years ago. Was Sonny Terry, Saunders Teddell or perhaps Saunders Terrell. The first may have been a mis-print...anyone know? Rick |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Tedham Porterhouse Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:35 AM Rick, Terrell is correct. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: CRANKY YANKEE Date: 31 Jul 01 - 02:13 PM Jocko@NZ. You're absolutely right, his name was "Hudson Ledbetter" HE pronounced it ,"H-UH-Dee", Not "Hugh-dee". I've got one of his records that was recorded while he was singing to a bunch of school children. He said, at the beginning, "Good Mornin' Chillun, my name is HUH-DY Ledbetter." He also says his name, as a contraction of "Hudson". on "The Ballad of the Boll Weevil" Besides, I knew him slightly when I was a kid. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Art Thieme Date: 31 Jul 01 - 04:26 PM Folks, In other threads here at Mudcat I have mentioned that I was once a part of a folk quartet that consisted of Elvis Pressley, Patty Page, Rosemary Clooney and myself. We called ourselve Pressley, Page, Rosemary and Thieme !! What I'm saying is that just because said that line on stage maybe 300 times probably, my last name is still pronounced as if it were THEME (like a theme song and nothing like thyme. Art |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Max Date: 31 Jul 01 - 05:04 PM On Leadbelly's Last Sessions he sings Fannin Street and sings that same line that toadfrog mentioned above. Listen yourself right from the horses mouth. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 01 - 07:55 PM Definitely that's a long u.
And I've heard that one often enough, and never picked it up, just went on pronouncing it with a short u.
But I want to get hold of that kid's record he did. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Jul 01 - 08:25 PM Although Leadbelly is used by most people, according to one biog. note, his family said he preferred Lead Belly (as this thread starts out). The fragment found by Max shows definitely a long U (Hew-die) but I won't crow over Cranky Yankee. My name is pronounced variably and I usually just go along with the speaker. A double-d would make it Hud (as in Mud) to most people, but regionalism must be considered. Lead Belly himself may have been ambivalent about his name and may have changed through time. As some others have posted here, I have checked a number of bios. and can't find Hudson in any of them. Other southern names- Beaufort becomes Bewfort, Beaulieu is Bewley, Spahn is Spain, etc, etc. And they used to eat Vy-anna sausages. This would make a thread in itself. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Coyote Breath Date: 31 Jul 01 - 09:51 PM Art! as I remember you introduced yourself to me as Thieme (theem) and anyway in German "ie" is EE and "ei" is I! Am I cornfuzed? or jest OLD? |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:04 PM ie = ee, ei = i. the main vowels are ah, ay, ee, oh and oo in most languages. English is the exception that proves the rule. Many people (including myself) pronounce their name incorrectly. We just like to confuse others. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Coyote Breath Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:24 PM Boy! you can say THAT again! My last name is... Meisenheimer. Really! I've had a lot of fun with that you can bet. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 01 - 05:35 AM "Beaulieu is Bewley" - that's the way it's pronounced in England too. Especially by posh people. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Mrrzy Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:39 AM OK, memory problem: I think I said the name of the famous club where Dad tended bar and served Leadbelly, but I can't find it and can't remember it and neither can Mom now, can anybody? THANKS! |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Big Jim from Jackson Date: 08 Feb 04 - 04:07 PM Hey, Coyote Breath: We had a guy on my highschool basketball team whose name was Meisenheimer. On the backs of the team uniforms each player had his named spelled. Unfortunately, Meisenheimer was too long to fit, so they broke it into two parts, like this: Meisen- heimer This led to his teammates calling him by the following: Meisen hyphen heimer It was all said together, as though it was one word. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Art Thieme Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:13 AM Tom was a good banjo player 40 years ago. Hope you're still pickin', guy. Art |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Cool Beans Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:03 AM Leadbelly lives on in another mysterious way: In a new (2003) biography of Arthur Miller there's an account of a New York party that Miller attened in 1954. Leadbelly was among the guests and sang "Goodnight Irene." I called the author, Marttin Gottfried, and told him Leadbelly had died in 1949. He said that of necessity he gets some informaiton from interviews with and that his source must have remembered incorrectly. He was apologetic. The book is called simply "Arthur Miller" and it's otherwise excellent. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Jack Goldsmith@msn.com Date: 21 Jun 04 - 04:11 PM Hi all, according to Mrs> Cobb at the Jobb estate in Fort Worth Texas where I have purchased a full view portrait painting of aka Huddie Leadbetter.This was back in 1985 she stated that her daughter was married to Diamond Jim Brady the river boat gambler which were very close friends of Huddie and in turn has said that his actual name is Walter O'Malley and that a woman at the bordeau gave him the nickname of Ledbelly.His actual nickname was Hudie.At this time the woman that I was talking with was in her late 80's.Thia may help you all since I am trying myself to find out more about the Leadbetter painting I have of him in the year that I think it was painted in 1937. As I know of there is no known full view pictures 0f him muchless of the painting I have in those days. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Elvis P. Date: 21 Jun 04 - 11:36 PM Deckman, I can explain Leadbelly's autograph from 1972. Just for kicks, I signed his name in a bunch of those books. I also signed Woody Guthrie's name in a bunch of copies of Joe Klein's bio. That's the kind of joker I am. Elvis P.(now pumping gas in an Esso way off the interstate) |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:02 AM Leadbelly was really Walter O'Malley? I always thought he must be Irish. And that song is really "Goodnight Eileen"... |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Nerd Date: 23 Jun 04 - 01:20 AM Also, I'm not sure what it means to say there are no "full view pictures of Leadbelly." Do you mean paintings? There are plenty of photos, some film, etc. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:07 PM He's always wearing clothes - maybe that's what's meant. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Anthony Date: 12 Nov 04 - 09:53 AM PLEASE.....Has anyone a link for me to see Leadbelly's signature? The Library of Congress folklife division thinks it is authentic but cannot verify. Here is my story......... I collect records as a hobby for over 30 years now and no, I do not sell records. About 9 months ago I pulled out Leadbelly's "Rock Island Line" to show a friend. The record is in pretty bad shape but I love it and it plays well enough for anyone to enjoy the music. While I was handling it, the spine split and out fell papers I knew were in there. A postcard for information on Folkways records, a liner note booklet that belongs to different record, Folkways #4 "If I had A Hammer". What I did not know was there was ALSO this flyer advertising ticket sales to a Hootenanny at the Turner arena in Washington D.C. Announcing the Birth of Entertainment Unlimited The promoters of this, Their FIRST show. Turning it over I saw the signatures of Leadbelly AND Pete Seeger. I put it back in the record and didn't touch it for another 6 months. One day 3 months ago I decided to pull it out and do a little researching on the theater ( I live about 15 miles from the address) went online and was...well almost stumped trying to find ANY information. I Googled my way through the net searching historical societies (they never wrote back) Blues and Folk music organizations , collectible , ephemera and autograph clubs. Finally I wrote to the 10 largest autograph dealers online. One wrote back suggesting I write to the Library of Congress Folklife music department. I did and they wrote me back the next day!!! I was invited to do my research there and I am still seaching at the library when I can visit the archives. I found Notations on the Hootenanny in BOTH the Star paper columns ("After Dark" march 18th, 1948) and the Post "On The Isle" on March 12th, 1948. I have held in my hands letters written by leadbelly and NOT ONE IS SIGNED!!!!!! The one piece I have seen is searchable online but signed "Ledbetter" although when you do find it while searching a MAJOR autograph dealer, You CANNOT read the signature. My guess is you would have to be holding it in your hands to read it.The flyer is in as mint condition at 56 years old and counting as can EVER be expected for such a rare Piece of Americana musical history! I have NOT repeat NOT seen or heard of a full Huddie Ledbetter signature anywhere!! EVER!!! Although I am a novice at this type of research the handwriting matches the signature. Please write me with any questions, thoughts or information on value, rarity and where I could view an authentic Leadbelly signature.you may have on this piece. Thank you, Anthony P.S. Here are links to view Both sides of my item. http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/bc/2ce00b35/bc/2003pics/hootenannyB.jpg?bft35jBBs6RJBvhz http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/bc/2ce00b35/bc/2003pics/hootenannyA.jpg?bft35jBBkclIehJG Thank you, Anthony |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Mark Ross Date: 12 Nov 04 - 11:48 AM Anthony, your link doesn't seem to work, can it be fixed? Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,anthony Date: 12 Nov 04 - 09:07 PM sorry all....Yahoo decided to delete the old links .... I uploaded them again. If this does not work, I'll send them directly to you. Thanks again.......Anthony http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anthonyvp/detail?.dir=8ead&.dnm=1534.jpg http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anthonyvp/detail?.dir=8ead&.dnm=e4d6.jpg&.src=ph |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,anthony Date: 12 Nov 04 - 09:16 PM OK...this the link to both sides at the same time. If this does not work, just write me....Thanks...Anthony http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anthonyvp/album?.dir=/8ead |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST Date: 06 Dec 04 - 10:57 AM WHAT?...I write these then NOTHING?...ANY thoughts? |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 06 Dec 04 - 11:31 AM Well, that's interesting. I fought my family to be called "Art". I signed autographs with "Art". But my real name is Arthur. I don't know what this proves---or what the Leadbelly autograph would prove if it is real. Thanks for your work but, for me, it doenn't matter much. Truth is vague at best--and subject to revisionist history's manipulations. It all makes for a good story. New books with new truths will emege. Just wait and see... Art |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,kiddcreole Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:02 PM Anthony, While I can not validate the authenticity of the signature, I will say that if it is the real thing, that would be one nice piece of music history to have. As for proving it's authenticity (as well as getting back on topic) has anyone thought to check old arrest records and such? Leadbelly spent a lot of time in and out of jail, so surely there is some item with his signature/real full name somewhere. They usually put your full birth name on legal documents, so perhaps an arrest record, prison inmate inventory, or some such may be a place to look into finding his real name, and a visit with the public records office of the places where he had been arrested may another altenative. The real question is who cares enough to do the legwork? |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:13 PM I've been looking everywhere for a sample/facimile of his signature. I've been to EVERY site possible over the last 6 months. spent time in The library of congress...They have many handwritten letters but NOT ONE have a signature. I even tried to contact venues he played to see signed contracts. waiting on one person that has a sig to send a copy but till that happens...I dont believe it till it happens..LOL I will try to reach a few places you suggested...greatIdeas...thanks |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,Ramsay Date: 01 Mar 05 - 10:05 PM If you look at the Leadbelly song book edited by moses asch...there is a reproduction of a letter which leadbelly wrote to moe asch....and although there is no signature , there is an example of his handwriting... |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: Brakn Date: 02 Mar 05 - 05:55 AM Just some more info. In 1880 Leadbelly's parents were living at Jeter Plantation in Mooringsport Louisiana. His father, Wesley Ledbetter(23), was born in North Carolina and in 1880 was a farmer. His mother, Sallie Ledbetter(20), was also born in North Carolina. Living with them was a step son, Alonzo Batts, and a nephew, Warren White. Also in the same region were Leadbelly's grandparents. Grandfather Wesley Ledbetter(50), a farmer, and grandmother Annie(55), uncles Bob(20) and Terril(15), and aunt Mary(11). They were all born in North Carolina. It is said that it was Uncle Terril who bought Leadbelly an accordion and that it was either Terril or Bob who taught him "Goodnight Irene". Info from various sites. |
Subject: RE: Lead Belly's Real Name From: GUEST,okjak Date: 10 Jan 08 - 01:51 PM Well, seems no one has thought to enquire about Ledbelly's last name, Ledbetter. It's Old English of course and comes from Lead Beater, i.e. someone who fashions lead as a trade. Most likely the name of a colonial English slaveowner. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: GUEST,GUEST, ar Date: 13 Dec 21 - 03:24 PM For what it's worth, "Hudie" is a common Irish nickname for Hugh (Aodh in Irish). It's not surprising that it showed up in the American South. He may have called himself "Hudie" early in life, no matter how it was spelled, and then later, because of the spelling and hearing people who'd never heard the name pronounce it as "Huddie," given in and started pronouncing it that way himself. That would account for a recording of him pronouncing it "Huddie" and other people's recollection -- and Alan Lomax -- of him pronouncing it "Hudie." (Names were often written down wrong in official records, especially when the parents or subjects are illiterate themselves.) |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: PHJim Date: 14 Dec 21 - 02:17 PM McGrath Of Harlow, Where is Beaulieu? |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: PHJim Date: 14 Dec 21 - 02:17 PM Perhaps Beaulieu is in the eye of the beholder. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: Big Al Whittle Date: 14 Dec 21 - 09:58 PM And so, beyond peradventure, I think we can safely conclude:- Leadbelly was named Hugh after the popular gay poet Wystan Hugh Auden. Dee after the the popular American politician Franklin D. Roosevelt. William after the popular American outlaw Billy the Kid. And Ledbetter after the depiction of English rose Margot Ledbetter by the ever popular Penelope Keith in the popular sitcom The Good Life. We take these truths to be self evident. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 15 Dec 21 - 05:36 AM I missed the Sky Arts programmer on Lead Belly that some 'Catters have mentioned in another thread. Perhaps that gave some clues? I am clearly not alone to note the difference between his own pronunciation and Pete Seeger's. RtS |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: Mrrzy Date: 22 Dec 21 - 12:36 PM Ha! Looked at Dad's old FBI file and they say dad tended bar at the Bee Hive Cocktail Lounge, 1947-8. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: GUEST,simon prager Date: 07 Sep 23 - 08:09 AM I knew Sonny Terry a bit and accompanied him when Brownie was sick on tour in England. Sonny who knew Leadbelly well and recorded extensively with him definitely called him Hudy (pronounced hewdie). A always assumed that that was a nickname for Hugh - but that's just me. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: GUEST,RJM Date: 07 Sep 23 - 11:07 AM simon prager well i remember you when you played with steve rye, that must have been a wonderful experience accompanying sonny terry |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: meself Date: 07 Sep 23 - 11:43 AM "Looked at Dad's old FBI file ... " - now, that's a phrase that doesn't come up in conversation every day, at least in the circles I travel in ... ! |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: GUEST,simon prager Date: 07 Sep 23 - 08:09 AM I knew Sonny Terry a bit and accompanied him when Brownie was sick on tour in England. Sonny who knew Leadbelly well and recorded extensively with him definitely called him Hudy (pronounced hewdie). A always assumed that that was a nickname for Hugh - but that's just me. |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: GUEST,RJM Date: 07 Sep 23 - 11:07 AM simon prager well i remember you when you played with steve rye, that must have been a wonderful experience accompanying sonny terry |
Subject: RE: Leadbelly's Real Name From: meself Date: 07 Sep 23 - 11:43 AM "Looked at Dad's old FBI file ... " - now, that's a phrase that doesn't come up in conversation every day, at least in the circles I travel in ... ! |
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