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Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana

Haruo 26 Jul 01 - 08:44 PM
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MMario 13 Aug 01 - 08:13 AM
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Haruo 08 Oct 01 - 01:38 AM
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GUEST,Liland 15 Dec 01 - 08:50 PM
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Subject: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:44 PM

Looking for a tune called "Hardy Norseman", also known as "Christiana", given for the Esperanto version of "I feel the winds of God" (which I only know to Kingsfold). From the title, it may be of Scandinavian folk origin. Not sure; my source doesn't say. But it's apparently in at least four British hymnals, the Fellowship Hymn-book (1933), Salvation Army Tune-book (1953), Methodist Hymn-book (1933), and Christian Endeavour Hymnal (Revised) (1933). MIDI if possible... Thanks!

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 11:18 PM

There is a sight that says they sing "Jesus the name high over all" to hardy norsemen but on the web all I can find is grafenburg and lydia for that hymn.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:12 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: MMario
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:13 AM

refresh again


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 07:00 PM

Thanks, MMario. Since all the sources I've seen cited for it (see first post in thread) are lowbrow British evangelical collections, I keep hoping some UK type will come up with a MIDI, or maybe just email me a scanned GIF so I can make my own. All the British hymnals I have access to are of the Hymns Ancient and Modern - Songs of Praise - English Hymnal - Legacy of R Vaughan Williams - Jubilate schools, pretty intellectual by Sally Ann/Christian Endeavour standards...

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 01:38 AM

refresh (one last try)...

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: masato sakurai
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 08:32 AM

According to Florence E. Brunnings, Folk Song Index (Garland, 1981), "The Hardy Norseman" is in Joe Mitchell Chapple, Heart Songs; and "The Hardy Northman" is in Mabelle Glenn, Songs of Many Lands. Regrettably, I've got neither of them.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 09:53 AM

No tune, but some notes on the song's history:

Apparantly, a version of it is sung, as The Norseman's Home, at the  Up-Helly-Aa  festival in Shetland; the site linked to describes it as "Words of obscure origin; Traditional Norwegian melody".  This, however, may be wishful thinking as is so much of that ceremony.

There is a broadside text, significantly different, at  Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

The hardy Norseman  The Poet's box (Glasgow) Saturday, January 28, 1871.  "Tune -Original".  There is another with a William Morris piece for which The Hardy Norseman is prescribed as melody.

There is a part-song, The Hardy Norseman or The Hardy Norseman's House of Yore, written by Robert Lucas de Pearsall ((1795-1856), which may perhaps be the original.  Apparantly sheet-music exists for the song, arranged variously for choirs and for brass bands; a search at Google turns up some sheet-music dealers who have it listed.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 07:47 PM

Thanks to masato sakurai's information I was able to locate a copy of Mabelle Glenn's Songs of Many Lands. I have made a midi with added chords (Glenn just gives the naked melody; the book is a 1943 grade-school music book) but at the moment am not able to get my website to upload it. It appears to work for the hymn text in question, if one either doubles the last two lines or cuts out a repeat in the music.

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: GUEST,Liland
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 08:50 PM

Here's the midi link: http://www.geocities.com/cigneto/thcmid/h/HardyNorseman.html.

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 16 Dec 01 - 10:59 PM

And here are links to the page in my hymnal for the Esperanto text to Hardy Norseman, and to The Cyber Hymnal page for the English, set to Kingsfold. Note that both are folk tunes in origin, however much RVW may have gussied up the latter.

Also, I just got email from the German Esperanto hymnist Rev. Adolf Burkhardt, who writes:
La melodion mi bone konas, sub iom modifita formo. Momente mi ne scias en kiu kantaro trovi - temas pri profana kanto "Wohlauf in Gottes schöne Welt, lebe wohl, ade". Oni iam kantis ĝin dum ekskursoj. Ĉu la nuna generacio plu konas ĝin, mi devas testi kun vizitantoj okaze de la venontaj festo-tagoj. Korajn salutojn, Adolf
i.e., "I know the tune well, in a somewhat modified form. At the moment I don't know in which songbook to find it - it's a secular song, "Wohlauf in Gottes schöne Welt, lebe wohl, ade". It used to be sung during outings. Whether the present generation still knows it I shall have to test with visitors during the coming holidays. Hearty greetings, Adolf"

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 10:59 PM

Wohlauf in Gottes schöne Welt hab'ich in ingeb.org gefinden or however Wolfgang would correct my Deutsch to read. Haven't had a chance to listen to the midi there yet to see if it's close enough to call the same tune (as Adolf suggests).

Incidentally, Mabelle Glenn agreed with the Shetland folks in calling it a Norwegian folk tune; the German text is credited to one "Julius von Rodenberg (Julius Levy 1828)"; are these Julii the same fellow, or is one the Prussian aristocrat who wrote the words and the other the Jewish composer? Don't know.

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: Haruo
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 11:01 PM

I feel the winds of God today set to Kingsfold; sorry about the mislinked link above.

Liland


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Hardy Norseman aka Christiana
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 04:43 PM

This tune is in the current Salvation Army tune book....and also the 2 previous editions. Margaret ( Thames Salvation Army NZ)


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