What is wrong with pornography?

Subject: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:05 AM

We talk about most everything here.

I start a thread about pornography, and some sactamonious sod (Joe Offer???) zaps it

Freedom of speech? Don't think so here

---

Yes, anonymous flamer, I thought I was pretty smart, deleting your request for porno links before somebody got a chance to respond to it. Then I went to bed, and you started this thread and garnered 40 responses. I haven't been able to convince Mudcatters that they should never respond to flame threads.
I have nothing against discussions of pornography, but your threads were requests for links to pornography. I figured you could find those on your own.
You win.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:08 AM

Probably nothing wrong with pornography, but would you expect to get a pint of milk in an ironmonger's shop?

Get real and go home (or alternatively contribute to some of the excellent porn forums there are around.

:-)
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:11 AM

Thanks Joe, or whoever did it. That garbage is degrading to any thinking person.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:13 AM

Ironically, the US and Canada are two of the most sexually repressed societies.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Brían
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:23 AM

Well said, Ian.

Brían.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:31 AM

Music is what is wrong with pornaography.

No doubt there is a 'best musical score' gong at the Porn Oscars. I don't think too much effort goes into matching the music to the action in this area.

Beyond that fatuous comment, I'd be happy for Joe to kill this one, too.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: RichM
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:34 AM

Check the song database.
If you were to put sexual comments in the form of a song, the same people will strongly defend your right to expression.

;)

Rich McCarthy

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:43 AM

Look

I'm not saying anything about peoples' so-called "right to expression". I'm currently looking at cricket on the internet and at share prices. I don't expect to use the Mudcat to swap share information or the cricket score ... by the way ... do you think McGraw will stay in till lunchtime?

Our GUEST deliberately started a porn-site swapping thread so it would be deleted so he could then moan about his "freedom of speech".

Forget it.
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:46 AM

I don't know what the issue is here of your thread being zapped, anonymous guest, but we have had interesting discussions in this forum on the subject, as we have had about many other non-music subjects.

Pornography: the Latest! (53 messages)

BS: Is liking pornography wrong? (110 messages)

Thanks, Skipjack, for making this a musical thread!

Noreen

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:50 AM

Thanks, Ian, I missed out on the background to this. That is rather different from having an intelligent discussion on the subject.

Noreen

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:53 AM

Yo!

McGrath's out!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:02 AM

And the footsie's up!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:05 AM

Where else but Mudcat can a discussion of pornography and freedom of speech (no matter how we got manipulated into it) be spiced up with cricket. *grin*

Who is McGrath and why is he out?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:08 AM

Naemanson

In answer to your question Glen McGrath.

Skipjack - Yes, but Tech stocks are down! Mine included!!!

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:11 AM

Naemanson, this could get as good as the Eminem thread.

McGrath was the last Aussie out, although we could start the rumour that Frank of Harlow has finally come out!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: English Jon
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:28 AM

Whats wrong with porn? It's too expensive.

EJ

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: JohnB
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:44 AM

I used to have a lot of pornographic material but I got rid of it, I just can't good needles for my pornograph any more :) This is a music site after all. JohnB

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Snuffy
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:46 AM

Isn't it Kevin in Harlow - I don't think he's related to Frank (or Glen)

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,Mike Strobel
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:49 AM

What Key is pornography played in ? I looked on Digital Tradition and found out it was a Child Ballad.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:54 AM

Hmmm, this could get sticky with the diffences between American English and British English.

"McGrath was the last Aussie out, although we could start the rumour that Frank of Harlow has finally come out!"

In the US coming out means you have openly admitted to being gay. So a literal translation of that sentnece in the US is that McGrath is a gay Australian and Frank may also be gay.

There must be a song in this somewhere....

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 08:56 AM

Don't think Kevin's a fast bowler either ... hasn't got the shape for it!

;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Jim Cheydi
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:00 AM

I thought it was a Cure album.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Micca
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:19 AM

Yeah, but have you seen Kevin,s finger action when he is playing??, probably not a fast bowler now but I bet he could make the ball spin!!!!!!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:37 AM

What's wrong with porno is the same thing that's wrong with huge amounts of other mental junkfood. It makes you fat and grows hair on the palms of your hands. But worse, it i (kind of like Eminem) degrades a form of human experience and beauty into a brute commodity. I have seen some stuff used as porno which has powerful aesthetic sense in it -- mostly, for some reason, in black and white. But the hardcore stuff I think needs to be relegated to the purpose of entertaining animals and idiots who are trying to evolve into lizards.

That said, I suppose even Lizards have the right to communicate,

A

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:54 AM

Fanny Power!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Gary T
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:01 AM

Uh, Kim, is that the U.K. meaning of "fanny," or the U.S. meaning? (Front or back, so to speak.)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:02 AM

I can inject a bit of musical Bony Fido into this thread by pointing out that the Kippers have a song called "The cricket match", which I can't find the words to anywhere. To make it completely apposite (as distinct from completely oppsite, like many of their songs), there are implied sexual goings-on i the song. Well, the implication is in the song; the goings-on are in the mind of the listener. "A dirty mind is a perpetual feast" (Ally Sloper's Half-Holiday"

Steve

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:04 AM

Fanny Power is my second cousion, three times removed, on my mother's sister's husband's side. She won't half be upset if you go on about her.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: LR Mole
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:05 AM

Can't talk now, my wicket's sticky.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:08 AM

I dunno, Gary, it's the name of a tune... I'm not sure what Mr. Carolan had in mind when he wrote it.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:08 AM

Idiots evolve into lizards? I could have sworn they reached the peak of their evolution when they reached slime mold!

Mike - I think most people play Pornography in the key of "F'n A" tho some prefer it in "S&M"

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:10 AM

Mole

Must be the Rain (stopped play).

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Brían
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:43 AM

Yes, FANNY POWER,

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: radriano
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 10:58 AM

First of all, if you want a serious discussion, signing on as GUEST doesn't give the right signals. And, judging by the silly responses to this thread so far, most others don't want a serious discussion either.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 11:48 AM

Head 'em off at the pass, Rads. Humor to douse flames

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 11:52 AM

I used to be a porn broker and had three balls hung outside...

Not as good as the cricketers with three wickets of course but at least nobody was trying to knock my bails off;-)

And doesn't Fanny Powers make Irish Whiskey?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,Celtic Soul
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 12:02 PM

Free speach is not guaranteed in a moderated forum.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 12:07 PM

Guest-If you want to see or talk about porn go to a porn site, I'm sure there are plenty about.This is not the right place, this is a music site, children visit this site, when you find your porn site try talking about folk music, and see what reaction you get!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: smallpiper
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 12:13 PM

I thought it was played on Northumbrian pipes in the key of F'na bit

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 12:35 PM

The problem with porn is that it purports to be reality, but it is fantasy. Thus it makes people expect fantasy in real life, and thus disappoints them, making them in a sense sexually unfit for real life. Unless the fantasy is a violent one, in which case (alas!) they are able to make the fantasy real by themselves.

But I was supposed to be humorous, wasn't I?

Fart. Fart fart fart.

Hope that helps.

Alex

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 12:40 PM

Alex -- I suppose your were cracking upward on that last potty-joke?

Methane, man!

A

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:06 PM

*LOL* smallpiper!

Ian C, is cricket on the internet interesting? Made me think of Gary Lineker's remark that the most entertaining way to watch Wimbledon FC play is on Teletext...

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:31 PM

I had a porn and mayonaisse sandwich for my lunch. Currently we are 137 -5 second innings. Isn't Tudor wonderful?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:33 PM

Sounds like a pretty lopsided match.

Which has nothing to do with porn, so get your mind out of the gutter.

Alex

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:41 PM

out of the gutter? My life goal is to eventually make it UP that high...

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 02:47 PM

I will remember this thread for a long time. I have a pornographic memory!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 03:14 PM

what amuses me is that with the search engines of today and access to newsgroups, our poor 'guest' can't find them links!...geeze, Louise....it's ALL right out there!

Maybe a 2nd career as a purveyor for the inept would sustain me in my old age....(now..how to advertise)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mg
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 03:21 PM

I think it totally depends. Naked cheerleaders is one thing (assuming they are adult). Even then, I think it has sorry effects upon relationships, development, marriage, family, etc. When pornography is involving children, or is linked with violence or degradation of people, it is way way beyond that and every law enforcement effort and public disapproval should be called upon to eradicate it. mg

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: SharonA
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 03:53 PM

I think GUEST must have misread the word "folk" in the banner...

Didn't Orville Redenbacher sell cop-porn?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM

Ho hum.

- LH

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 04:14 PM

smallpiper... good one !

As for porn, some people use it to fulfill a need / desire. I assume it's mostly single people. It is unfortunate that some people can't find that "someone special" to share this part of life. However, some unfortunate souls, for whatever reason, don't connect with a soulmate and use porn as a substitute. Hey man, whatever gets you through the day. Life is hard enough without a mate... life without ANY sex or sexual stimulation would be just going through the motions... so to speak... nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:04 PM

English John... LMAO

Ask Ted Bundy what's wrong with porn. He's America's "Hillside Strangler." Raised in a prominent family with a good education, he says he became intrigued with the sex-death-power trip he was on by venturing into pornography at an early age. He has since been executed by our penal system.

No one should be censored...by anyone (regardless of how well meaning that person is). Censorship is akin to pornography... It leads to oppression, power trips, and bondage.. And it refutes another's right to present an opposing argument. I think this guest (flamer) has been very well dispatched by the Mudcatters he has addressed (you raised us well, Joe)... And..I would much rather read his remarks about "what's wrong with porn" than those I encountered on the thread: "The last thing I wanted to read.." (The fued between two mudcatters, Brendy & Praise) but I read all... My right to know, respond if I choose, and have an opinion. We are all adults here and do not need to be protected from the bad things of the world.. From the responses I have read, I think we are quite capable of protecting ourselves.. (no offense intended to Joe Offer, who is a good dude). As for our "Flaming Guest," who seems to have nothing better to do than look at dirty picture and pet it up, why don't you take up the harp instead? They say it's theraputic! I prefer the kazoo, myself... but can't seem to find one that's pretuned! b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:16 PM

I dunno' what the big deal is here folks. Porn has been a subject around here for years. A couple of years back, I compiled the list below so we could check out all the porn sites run by Mudcatters. It's definitely time to do an update I guess, but here is the original list......You'll recognize quite a few names I believe!

bbc's Menonnite Nudes--www.stillgottabonnet.whoa
Joe Offer's Blue Nuns--www.nunsapoppin.bang
Clinton Hammond's Naked Necro--www.deadandmoldy.barf
Rick Fielding's G-Stings--www.properfinger.pos
Alan of Oz's alison's underwear--www.noballroom.eek
Skiffler's Neil Young Nekkid--www.takabath.yech
Bert's Self-Help Sex Positions--www.cantrememberhow.duh
katlaughing's Chaps in Chaps--www.broncobilly.ridem
Leej's Radio Shack Babes--www.needbatteries.buzz
Banjo Bonnie's Endowed Pluckers-www.skintlonguns.org
Big Mick's Fair One Fantasies--www.inyourdreams.noway
Aine's Orgasmic Songbook--www.hardtorhyme.tada
Micca's Night Nurses--www.iwasasleepwhathappened.huh
Liz the Squeaks Hirsute Honeys--www.hairychest.shave
Jeri's Tickled Hooters--www.dragonflies.nip
Meebo's The Art of the Nude--www.ineedlaid.help
Amos' Rhymes with Truck--www.shutupandoitstupid.buck?
Max's Big Bluesy Women--www.waxonwaxoff.ahhh
Peter T.'s Tales of Heron Love--www.doitinthewoods.eco
Dave Swan's Firehouse Hoses--www.pumperhumpers.dribble
Seed's Uncles Charles' Etchings--www.dirtyoldman.drool
WyoWoman's Bubbles of Ecstasy--www.poppembigboy.whee
Harpgirl's Nudes on the River--www.catchmeifyoucan.ha
Big RiB's Women in Prison--www.wishiwasaguard.strummit
Dave the AM's Mermaid Mamms--www.beenatseatoolong.glug
Kendall's Northwoods Honeys--www.beeninmainetoolong.uh
annap's Goodtime Gatherings--www.getoutthewesson.whee

I am always updating this list, so be sure to check in at:

Spaw's Completely Offensive Utterings-www.dummass.fockit

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:31 PM

Oh, shit. Wouldn't you know that Catspaw would turn this thread into a classic?
-Joe Offer, off to the Mennonite site-

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:19 PM

What Ian said.

There may be a use for pornography. If there is one, find all you want at google.com and don't intrude on the mood.

Two Noble Truths: [1] Everyone ought to have the right to say anything anywhere. [2] Everyone ought to refrain from exercising that right.

To those who wanted to validate this somehow, "Guest" [=Gutless] didn't ask for a dissertation on ribald music; he asked for pornographic "art." Screw him; that's pornography enough for all concerned.

CC

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:22 PM

The originator of this thread obviously likes his "sex" manually.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:42 PM

gnu, you are an optimist.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:59 PM

I'm hurt, Spaw.

Alex (the real one -- always check the spelling!)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:06 PM

the elves are getting heavy-handed in the deletions, hmmm?

*shrug*

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Burke
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:11 PM

I love spaw's list, but Joe's reaction is what really got me laughing!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:26 PM

bobbi-The point is we are NOT all adults here, as i said to Guest kids visit this website, it is mainly a music site, and I dont think porn is suitable here, if joe deleted the porn I think he did the right thing, however I have no wish to argue with you or anyone else so I wont read this thread again.john in hull

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 11:40 PM

I don't think porn was posted.. only a request for some links.. There has been much worse language used in other threads. Lest we lose sight of the original issue.. which was simply a stupid request that I'm assuming no one honored.. I would like to requst that catspaw49 update those links though.. I tried most all of them without success. Thought I really hit pay-dirt there for a while. And I WILL be checking in later! (After I finish reading the thread on "What's Your Pimp/Prostitute Name) Bet the kids got a kick out of that one!

tsk! b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bernard
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 06:34 AM

Porn on the cob or sweetporn?

I have pornflakes for my brekkie...

Pornography can't be all bad - look at the wads of cash people who produce it are making!! ;o>

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 07:39 AM

The Kipper's Cricket song might be in their song book, which has stuff from the first two albums and the Cromer Crab wars. If not, PM me and I'll try and find my copy which has a handwritten version in it, if the original isn't printed.

LTS

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 09:29 AM

I liked that smutty James Bond movie with Porn Connery. Spaw -I'm going to frame your list - it's a gem!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 11:30 AM

Try the Lassie films for hard-paw corn

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 01:39 PM

Noreen

Not as good as the real thing! ;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 02:25 AM

If you are in a LOVING, MONOGOMOUS, RELATIONSHIP.....

Pornography is WRONG!!!!

Because...it HURTS the person you LOVE.

Your beloved spouse is the one that you have pledged fedelity to.

To imagine, to fantisize, to bring pornography into the relationship, lessens and cheapens, and de-values the beloved mate to whom you have pledged your SACRED honor.

Infedelity, immorality, indecency, spans itself within the mind man.... Do NOT allow the seeds to even sprout!!! Weed them out...at the nearest opportunity.

Imagine the hurt, sorrow, tears, of those you cherish most dear....discovering "your most hidden files."

PLEASE>>>> seek spiritual help soon!!!

You will be happier...... and your loved ones will be protected from the shame.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 04:17 AM

Gee Garg........Is fedel any relation to fidel? Or are you talking about package deliveries to Castro? Whatever.....Be sure to read my post to you over on the THOUGHT FOR THE DAY THREAD

Now Greg, go off and play with your little dick.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 06:54 AM

Ian: and disappointing at the end... like the real thing? :0)

Noreen

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:09 AM

While we're at it...what's wrong with:

Cannibalism?

Sollipsism?

Narcissism?

Sodomy?

Gomorrahcitationism?

I think we should discuss those in depth. Whaddya say, Spaw?

- LH

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:19 AM

Oh, yes, and polygamy...or is that polyandry?

- LH

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:48 AM

telephony?...parsimony?...balony?....entropy?...alimony?....oh, sorry, those last two are redundant

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 02:57 PM

Spaw!!!!
Ya missed one... there is this web site where some nut case gets all strapped to a radiator like thing with leather straps and like, pumps the thing and it makes wailing noises very kinky, you can find more about this at http://sorchadorch.com (yup the ol' plugomatic never misses a beat... ) Anyway, this old SOrchadorcha thingie, is going to have some wierd kinky CD out soon... so keep checking out the sick kinky web page...
Anonimously yours,
Not InOBU, or Larry, but someone who did not sign his her or its name... Cheers

Subject: Lyr Add: MOLLY BLOOM (Tom Paxton)
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:37 PM

Molly Bloom

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
I want to have her in my living room,
Whispering sweet nothings in my ear.
When I heard what Molly said,
Good golly how my ears turned red.
That's par for the course for Molly Bloom.

Some people are daring.
They get a bit risqué.
When Molly is swearing,
She's passing the time of day.
People walking on the avenue,
Were swearing that the air was blue.
It wasn't a thing but Molly Bloom.

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
Every sentence is the crack of doom.
She says exactly what's on her mind.
Some people have Freudian slips,
But that's honey from Molly's lips.
That's idle chatter for Molly Bloom.

The Supreme Court met her,
And took her to tea.
And now that they've met her,
They're setting Ralph Ginsburg free.
When Molly starts cutting loose,
Norman Mailer is like Mother Goose.
He's pretty tame for Molly Bloom.

When Molly has something to say,
I wouldn't miss it.
When Molly is carried away,
She's so explicit!

[musical interlude with kazoos]

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
Her voice is sweet perfume.
Her voice is music to my ears.
She'll write me a letter I hope,
In an asbestos envelope.
And we will live in a soundproof room
Just Molly and me, my Molly Bloom.

--by Tom Paxton

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:53 PM

P** P* B**** B** D******

Well, I take it that all of us are in favour of freedom of speech, provided it's not calculated to change our western way of thought. I'm all for freedom of speech myself, Swann too has fought a lifetime fighting against censorship. I must say we do feel that perhaps the whole field of literature and the arts has got a little too uninhibited lately, wouldn't you say. I mean, modern plays and films and books and so on; there doesn't seem to be anything you can't say nowadays in public. You can say things in public that you would hesitate to say in private. These four letter words and so on. I am very much opposed to this. There are very few of these four letter words left. If they all come into common use, we shall have nothing left for special occasions. Still, we feel that the time has perhaps come for us to take our stand on the somewhat polluted beaches of the nouvelle varge, to say goodbye to mealy-mouthed hypocracy, which has served us so well for so long, and come right out with something adult, fearless and forthright. And filthy.

Ma's out, Pa's out,
Let's talk rude!
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Dance round the garden in the nude,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Let's write rude words all down our street,
Stick out our tongues at the people we meet,
Let's have an intellectual treat for
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

Sunday again on CBC,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
And Norman Mailer's coming to tea,
Pee Po Belly Bum Pants!
Alan Ginsberg reads on and on,
But we're having a happening when he's gone,
Come to the party in the John,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

Disney's planning a double bill,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Christopher Robin meets Fanny Hill,
Pooh Bear Belly Bum Drawers.
On stage and screen we all work hard,
Throwing toilet rolls in our own backyard,
Who's afraid of the avent garde?
Pee, Pee, Po, Po, Belly, Belly, Bum, Bum, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

What gets prizes and wins awards?
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
What did prince Phillip tell the Lords?
Well, never mind that.
At Oxford and Cambridge, and Yale and all,
At Berkely, they really have a ball,
'cos the higher the brow, the harder they fall,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

--Flanders and Swann

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:02 PM

I try to live by two rules. (1) A person should have the right to say anything he or she wishes. (2) A person should have the sense to refrain from exercising that right.

CC

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:21 PM

InObu must be a gargoyle!!!! Eewwwwwwwwww! So obvious! Now he/she or it, is stalking Sorcha.... The man needs to get laid, obviously!

Okay Little Hawk... What's wrong with cannibalism? (Isn't that where you get eaten?) ;-)

Chicken Charlie: Never, ever refrain from exercizing your rights, Love! Even a hand grenade held under a lead bucket is ineffective... Use what you have at your disposal to the fullest measure.. That's the only way it will ever be effective! (I can breathe....but I chose not to!) Ha!

b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:33 PM

cannibalism is where you get eaten ONCE..

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:46 PM

BRAVO
FOR JOE O.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:04 AM

bobbi, that addy InOBU listed is for his real live band and the radiator type thingie he talks about is the pipes he plays. It just happens that his band has Sorcha in its name, too. I can assure you he isn't the garg-oil.**BG**

kat

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:13 AM

I second that, bobbi. InObu and I were both a little amused about the situation. You see, Sorcha is an Irish name which means "bright"--shining, not smart. Dorcha is the Irish Gaelic for dark........You are not the first to be confused.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:17 AM

And besides, Ol' Larry, The Plug-O-Matic, is generally so busy plugging his band (SorchaDorcha) that he has limited time for matters of a sexual nature. I think his wife might have given him some hand lotion for Christmas, but that's about it...................

Now I will tell you that if there is some way Larry could use garg for a plug (no, not a butt plug) for the band, he'd do it. I can see it now................

Even complete and sniveling little pissant gutterspouts LOVE Sorcha Dorcha.......Normal people will find them orgasmic!!!

........which is more than can be said for Larry.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 03:24 AM

Little Hawk wrote:

While we're at it...what's wrong with:

...

Sollipsism?

It's speled rong.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: InOBU
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 08:25 AM

Gee guys... I'm hurt, wounded! To think I would stauk our own dear Sorcha... but more... that there is ONE person in the world who has not heard of the hardest working band in the Celtic World, Sorcha Dorcha!!! AND hurt that you all would think that I would jump on the band wagon of thowing bricks at the old Garg. I've been civil to the old goyle, and he's been civil to me... Why? (TALK ABOUT THREAD CREEP!!!) Well, because it is just right to be civil, because... you never know who may some day want to BUY A CD! SO! Gargoyle! I never sent you a free Sorcha Dorcha CD! Let me remidy that! Gargoyle! Drop me an email at [e-mail], and I will send you the latest demo, with several live recordings and THREE studio cuts which are to me on our CD, soon to be released on Hearthside Recordings!
YES! Here it is in all it's glory! The shamless pornography of the full monty-like band plug!!!
Actualy, about the wifie, Spaw, Genie is a lawyer, works 6am to 12 midnight... so that must be why all the Fruedian imagery in our band's music, all that sublimating... What Fruedian imagery??? Well, in a few months, the CD will be out and you can all find out!
THIS PLUG HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE PORNOGRAPHIC BROTHERHOOD AND SISTERHOOD OF IRISH CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT SEX INDUSTRY WORKERS BELFAST DISTRICT LOCAL FIVE...
See ya...
Larry

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 10:59 AM

Where else but on Mudcat can a discussion on porn degrade into a posting of Flanders & Swann lyrics and talk of insects.

What do crickets have to do with pictures of nekkid wimmen?

Wincing Devil   >;-( When all other means of communication fail, try words.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 11:23 AM

Phew, Wincing Devil, I clicked and was really worried when I didn't see your Buck Naked Kitties, but then I figured I'd see what a c/shanteyman thought a nekkid woman looked like, clicked on and was so relieved to see your Minnie, in the pink and lookin' fine!**BG**

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:01 AM

A couple months ago, my newspaper had an article about the arrest of a couple men for making and distributing child pornography. A local sheriff said, "This is actually the raping of small children."

A few days ago, there was an article about the trial of man who forced others into prostitution. He had beaten, raped and burned them. Quite possibly some of them would have wound up making pornography, apparently willingly.

Does that answer the original question?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:39 AM

That is only true, Leenia, of pictorial pornography, and some of it at that. So, no, it does not answer the question "What is wrong with pornography". It answers the question "What is wrong with some ways of making some pornography"?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:32 AM

Doesn't belong in the music section. There's plenty wrong with it. and that's the first thing.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:36 AM

Oops. I noticed it was in the BS section.

1. It is an industry that encourages abuse.
2. It objectifies humans particularly women.
3. It is addictive.
4. It is mostly stupid.
5. Erotica is different than pornography. (Sex can be funny).
5. It gives religious nuts on too much with which to concentrate

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:51 AM

What's wrong with porn? It's usually totally shite! Maybe because it's virtually exclusively aimed at blokes? But then even my fella doesn't find most porn interesting either, so maybe it's because it's aimed at a particular type of bloke?

I think there has been more naturalistic stuff made in modern times - just real people enjoying themselves - but I can't say as I've kept abreast of it (Sorry ..I know, that was pure carry on)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:01 AM

I don't class this as 'porn', I would tag it as 'erotica' for those who might find such imagery sexually attractive (I certainly know couples that like it). And It's definitely an antidote to some of the fakery out there online. I don't find this site 'objectifies' women at all.

Real women enjoying showing their ornamented bodies off: http://suicidegirls.com/

There's some semi-nude images on the first page, but nothing to shock.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:31 PM

The distinction between art and pornography is notoriously elusive. Many of those who condemn "porn" seem also to believe that sex is bad as such, unless redeemed by some approved thing - eg marriage, or love, or something. I have no time for that attitude. Some who defend art that is sexual (or otherwise apt to be attacked by some as "porn" seem to feel that artistic merit is a sufficient defence to an accusation of pornography. I suspect that that may be to go too far.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:53 PM

Now there's an interesting thing, I find tattoos obscene. I find people who have their baby's ears pierced, obscene.
The old excuse, 'It's my body and I can do what I like with it' doesn't seem to wash with some folks.
I daresay, you might get thar response from some people who are involved in pornography.
Not everybody involved in activities of which one disapproves, is doing it unwillingly.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:35 PM

What is bad: distorting young (or old) people's images, coercion, violence, rape.
What is good: nekkid wimmin (or men if you are of a female or gay persuasion).
What is distasteful: 99.99999% of internet porn (of COURSE I've seen 100.00000%), which is about as stimulating as a gynaecology text book.
What else is bad: every site is trying to get hold of your credit card details or plant a spambot on your computer.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:40 PM

"Many of those who condemn "porn" seem also to believe that sex is bad as such, unless redeemed by some approved thing"

Good point. Like you say, there is some kind of formal sanction for 'erotica' that thereby elevates the material 'beyond' the sexual realm, and thus makes it safe to indulge in without worry that you are somehow debasing yourself.

There's something Sooo self-deceptively 'Brave New World' about that. One of the most amusing examples would be archeological or anthropological porn, which one may admire at an intellectual distance for it's possible historical/cultural interest but *never* for it's universally applicable immediate sexual reality.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:53 PM

Spamabot

Be prepared to laugh uncontrollably!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:21 PM

Maybe because it's virtually exclusively aimed at blokes? But then even my fella doesn't find most porn interesting either, so maybe it's because it's aimed at a particular type of bloke?

[i]Road and Track[/i] is aimed at a particular type of bloke. Does that make it wrong?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:40 PM

Nakedshorts/wallstreet.com

gnu is either a woman or a man without testesterone. Men can carry around only so much active sperm. Storage space is a premium no matter how big the balls and ducts.

The SCOTUS knows porn when they see it so they continue to keep abreast of porn whenever possible.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:44 PM

Mousthief: "Does that make it wrong?"

Err no, it was the "it being shit" that IMO made it "wrong". Not ethically in any sense, just in terms of it being totally pants.
If some geezers get off on prostitutes with silicone implants and nail extensions rubbing their dry kebabs and faking orgasms, that's cool by me ;-)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 04:57 PM

The whole Republican party is shit. But I would defend their right to be so.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: olddude
Date: 21 May 10 - 05:19 PM

Why is is called porn anyway?, why not nekked films

naw I don't care what others do meself as long as they don't hurt nobody and no animals are harmed in the filming ...

Me I don't watch it ... cause on pay per view it is like 13 bucks to rent a film ... I think they just have the one scene going on over and over again ... and the lines like "harder lover harder" isn't award winning writin ... but I guess they do have their own version of the oscars ...

what are they called anyway, the golden penis or something like that

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 10 - 06:15 PM

Donuel... "gnu is either a woman or a man without testesterone."

What does that mean? Sounds a rather sexist or nasty statement to me. Please explain why you would post such... on both counts.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 May 10 - 06:44 PM

from memory: pornography comes from a Latin word meaning "writing about prostitutes"

As I have mentioned a couple times on other threads, I worked for over 2 years (30+ years ago) at an eclectic little 'adult book store' run by two highly educated women, (the store was called 'Cadmus', which gives you some idea. It had no red & yellow signs or flashing lights, and the front room was pretty tame.)

I KNOW that there is a huge variety of 'adult' writing, film, photography, and 'toys'....from totally silly & tasteless (including niché genrés that are beyond comprehension) to amazingly complex and creative...I say this because I decry generalizations from those who have avoided it so well that they have little concept of what is there.
As one who was semi-fascinated by Mickey Spillane and saw the first stack of "Lady Chatterly's Lover" appear in a bookstore in St. Louis, and read "Tropic of Cancer" in the original 1934 Obelisk Press edition from Paris (in 1959), I have been amazed at the variety & change in 60 years. Now, the WWW has made it possible for 'amateurs' to create stuff the 'professionals' couldn't imagine, and it 'may' spell the beginning of the end for stupid portrayals that have offended so many...(not that all amateurs are tasteful...they are NOT).

15 years ago, I frequented a chat site where 'some' porn was posted, but, like Mudcat, there were many, many other things going on, and real people discussed life and politics...and often, sex...in a free & open way. It disappeared after 2-3 years, and I've not seen much like it.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:03 PM

"I decry generalizations from those who have avoided it so well that they have little concept of what is there."

Sure. There is interesting rudey stuff out there if you're willing to rummage about for it (I have mini library of so-called erotica including films), but MOST of it is still utter pants!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: olddude
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:13 PM

just read spaw's post on the catters sites. laughing my ass off ...
classic spaw !!!!

hey i didn't make your list

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:34 PM

A few years ago I heard Erica Jong interviewed on something like Fresh Air on National Public Radio. She wrote Fear of Flying and many other racy and/or erotic novels. She was asked about pornography, and her answer was excellent:

"If I look at pornography for 10 minutes, I want to go have sex. If I look at pornography for 20 minutes, I never want to have sex again."

SRS

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:21 PM

"pornography" comes from Greek, not Latin. "Pornaie" is hard to define -- it's translated in the KJV as "fornication" but one site I found online translated it as "things prostitutes do".

"graphos" of course means drawing.

So it's drawings of pornaie, whatever that is.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 10 - 02:58 PM

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu - PM
Date: 21 May 10 - 06:15 PM

Donuel... "gnu is either a woman or a man without testesterone."

What does that mean? Sounds a rather sexist or nasty statement to me. Please explain why you would post such... on both counts.
****************************************************************

So?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 10 - 03:05 PM

Er - I don't think "graphos" is solely a pictorial referent. The verb "grapho" as used in new testament translations, appears to have the following meanings: -

to write, with reference to the form of the letters
to delineate (or form) letters on a tablet, parchment, paper, or other material
to write, with reference to the contents of the writing
to express in written characters
to commit to writing (things not to be forgotten), write down, record
used of those things which stand written in the sacred books (of the OT)
to write to one, i.e. by writing (in a written epistle) to give information, directions
to fill with writing
to draw up in writing, compose


Jong's comment, naturally, depends on what she was cogitating viewing, so in a sense it is self-defining, in its judgmental apprehension.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 May 10 - 03:22 PM

gnu, Donuel does not have a long history of explaining his statements. In this case, I hope he makes an exception to such an egregious assertion.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 04:56 PM

But ultimately the question is not what the etymology is in Greek, but how is the word used in English? Primarily it is used to refer to salacious pictures. Usually writing intended to induce the same kinds of feelings (albeit usually in the opposite sex) is usually referred to as "soft porn" but with a tongue in the cheek, at least originally.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 10 - 06:44 PM

I know of no reason to say that that is so, mousie. Try asstr. Quite a lot of it is rather nasty.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 07:09 PM

D'rather not, ta.

I concede the use of "pornography" to mean pictures or words. The Word Book supports your use. Interestingly it appears the word was coined in 1857 or at least then first appeared in print.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Joe_F
Date: 22 May 10 - 08:45 PM

I find the abstraction of this thread rather tedious, but am hesitant to get concrete in this forum. If anyone would like to read a pornographic story I wrote & posted on the Bears Mailing List in 1994, and tell me what is wrong with it, email me at [e-mail].

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 09:15 PM

Why would we want to read your pornography? How can a discussion about pornography be anything other than abstract? Would you have us look at 1000 pictures or read 1000 short stories and say of each one whether it's pornography or not? What good would that do?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 May 10 - 09:51 AM

usually referred to as "soft porn" but with a tongue in the cheek

That depends on whose tongue is in whose cheek of course.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: goatfell
Date: 23 May 10 - 10:02 AM

?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Ed T
Date: 23 May 10 - 11:07 AM

I suspect that most of the issues are with some of the shady aspects of some of the pornography industry. If this is excluded, and if it is not in the face (so to speak) of those who are offended by it, I see no harm...in some cases it may be beneficial...though I am not sure of the details on that. Some parts of India the culture embraces pornography...again, if you care to call it that.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Ed T
Date: 23 May 10 - 11:10 AM

When my mind was wondering a few months ago...I noticed that if you join the star dots of one of the Hubble telescope space images, you can detect an outer space erotic image.

So, I suspect pornography can be considered universal...if you look for it hard enough, and have an open mind.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 10 - 11:30 AM

".....in some cases it may be beneficial...though I am not sure of the details on that."

I am. When I worked in that adult bookstore 30+ years ago, I got to know some customers..(we were a 'friendly' place, and treated customers as people, not as perverts we were just using for profit).

I had several guys tell me how thankful they were that they had this outlet....that their personal lives were 'problems', and that they worried what they would do otherwise. I saw dozens that I suspected felt that way. There were others who just appreciated that there were now books & films (1978..no digital stuff) tailored to THEIR tastes. We had a few female customers who appreciated being able to show an interest in certain things without being judged and 'labeled' for it.

Even though the 'tasteless' products had their following, we learned that there was a ready market for creative, genuinely 'erotic' material also....even with a varied definition of 'erotic'...(kinda like "good music", ya know).

Some societies are pretty open about sexuality, and have shown declines in sex crimes which are 'probably' related to reduced inhibitions and more freedom.

It's all extremely complicated and relevant research is difficult...for obvious reasons... but I am convinced it needs to be done.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Micca
Date: 23 May 10 - 02:03 PM

According to Liz the squeak yesterday " Its what the Internet is for" I dont fully understand this, it had something to do with a U tube video!!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 10 - 07:06 PM

IMHO the first problem in trying to discuss this topic is that the label "pornography" prejudges the issue.

"Pornography" carries a connotation beyond a connection with things sexual (or sexual for some audiences - personally I don't get off on pictures of feet or of smoking (or stories about the same)).

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 May 10 - 07:32 PM

While "Its what the Internet is for" can be questioned, there is no argument, among those who've paid attention while it all happened, that without the influence of "porn" the internet would have waited much longer for a number of familiar features to be developed.

One of the first claims that can be made is that porn distributors were the first, and for some time about the only, ones producing "movies on tape." It was early adoption of the VHS format by pornographers that lead ultimately to its adoption and the "death" of BetaMax. Had BM been the standard that survived, movies you could watch at home likely would have been much more expensive and available in fewer titles for decades, and since BetaMax was largely a "captive format" of the mainstream movie people the DRM rules likely would have been much less "gentle" to the users. ("gentle" being relative)

Porn producers have also been active in the popularizing of CD and DVD formats and have been strong influences in what formats have come to market and which ones faded. To some extent they have lobbied, with some success, for more "end-user friendly" regulations than have been demanded by the "mainstream" music and video distributors.

It is also generally accepted that pornographers were almost solely responsible for the development of early "online payment" schemes, and without their influence PayPal (and others of its ilk) likely would have come several years later. While few of the "survivors" are directly linked to the porn industry, it was porn that showed them how.

Internet industry watchers are well aware that "porn sells" and that the "porn producers" have originated and strongly influenced the developing of a whole lot of things that the internet probably would not be able to provide in their absence.

You don't really have to care about watching it in order to get significant benefit from the fact that it's enormously profitable, with lots of people working very hard at improving the means for producing and distributing it.

John

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 10 - 11:36 PM

"It was early adoption of the VHS format by pornographers that lead ultimately to its adoption and the "death" of BetaMax." -

That part is partly true, although it omits V2000, and also omits the fact that "legitimate" films by which in this case I mean films conforming to MPAA standards or UK cinema censorship certificated standards in VHS format largely drove much of VHS market penetration (no pun intended). In the UK it was the "video nasties" (think "Last House on the Left, Cannibal Apocalypse, Cannibal Ferox and a whole range of films that never quite aspired to the status of Tobe Hooper's classic "Texas Chainsaw Massacre") that also drove the market.

I question the analysis that Betamax was the studios' captive format: it was the attempted fallguy in the US "Betamax" case that was the forerunner of the legal arguments that have since swung the other way for Pirate Bay, Napster, Grokster, Limewire, etc.

It is however true that the availability of otherwise prohibited material did much to drive the early "video market" and also the internet. But the fact that money has been made that way is not necessarily a justification.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 May 10 - 03:51 AM

Lots of opinions about the fight over video formats. The point on which the "market" is given most credit is tied to who distributed the most "stuff" to people who then needed the machines to play the "stuff" on. The demand for, and distribution of, some particular "stuff" gave the edge on actual existence of hardware in the hands of users for VHS when it came time for the other formats to make their charge or retreat decisions. Other factors had much influence, of course, so giving too much credit in one place is still a little risky.

Of course lots of those decisions were made at a time when very few people would admit that they had a player to watch "that stuff" on; but it seems that a lot of people old enough to have been participants in that era now seem a bit more willing to "come out" about it. That may be partly because the current generation more likely remembers that "daddy had that stuff" so there's a once-removed level of guilt.

Hardly anyone - then - admitted that they bought a Polaroid Instant Camera for ... ... (but there's lots of "collectons" more recently exhibited).

Of course I never did ... that kind of ...

John

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 May 10 - 04:15 PM

Mousethief: I will be more specific. The only *general* answer I can come up with to the question posed is: nothing. Some things are wrong with some pieces of pornography, and other things are wrong with others, and nothing is wrong with yet others. My two efforts in that direction have gotten good review from the intended audience.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu
Date: 24 May 10 - 04:43 PM

I think it carpal tunnel syndrome. >;-)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 10 - 05:31 PM

"Porn" is like "folk"....there are lots of things lumped under one general term that may have very little in common.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 May 10 - 06:24 PM

Interesting. My solemn post of early this morning UK time has vanished. I wonder if the ghost of the ghastly Mary Whitehouse is abroad.

[nothing deleted, Richard. It was one of those hiccups]

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 May 10 - 06:00 AM

No, I did not think it was enemy action on the board.